Your pastor friend is trying a different tact, it is called pity. He sees a lost sheep that will not come into the fold. He hopes that being a good role model and exhibiting Christ like behavior will win over your soul. Nothing more.

And no one said that we could "prove anything" in the sense that is certain.  The only people who think that science produces certainty are people who don't understand science or people looking for strawmen to attack.  I'll assume you're the latter.  
That said, you don't need certainty to make fairly accurate predictions.  Newtonian physics, relativity, atomic theory, germ theory, etc are examples of science that allow us to make accurate and reliable predictions every day.  No one says they provide certainty.  They don't need to provide certainty to be useful.
Actually, I think you are correct about this statment.  I do find it enjoyable (if not, I wouldn't be here).













You are believing in your assessment of the universe being accurate when you claim to know the "truth" about both the natural and supernatural aspects of everything, just like every other person on earth who has a different religion than you and asserts it matter of factly.  You are all believing in you feelings, pretending to know they are "truth".



I don't claim to know the "truth", I just know what is accurate and useful based on the only assessment tool I have ever found to provide a reliable way to distinguish between models of reality that can be used to make accurate predictions about apparent reality (aka science), and fantasy/conjecture.
As for being a "random ape", I think that gives my life much more meaning and purpose than being a subject to a supernatural dictator who will punish people when they die for thought crimes.




















 

Uh, huh. And there have been plenty of false messiahs over the years that have garnered cult followings, and Jesus, from what I can tell, is just another one of those, all be it wildly more successful than the others combined.
Keep in mind we are talking about an uneducated people who, even in their own holy book, seem very willing to turn to all sorts of men pretending to speak on the half of other gods or make their own idols...even when they were supposedly surrounded by miracles such as parting seas, pillars of fire, mana, etc.  Its not that much of a logical leap to realize that such people would reject the real messiah when he came along, especially in a culture where religious heretics were killed.






And hell, for the sake of argument, lets say Jesus came back to earth. I'd bet there will be plenty of christians, the ones who believe in themselves the most, who would reject him, simply because he doesn't fit their own narrow human based understanding of what Jesus is and should do and how he should do it.  






And in Catholic school we got sanitized versions of the bible.  We never read it all the way through.  The god I grew up believing in was very different than the one described in the bible.
 

His pastor friend has something lacking in todays society. Its called class.

Talking about Christ-like behavior, I am sure you are just holding on to your source that Smith used the street-drug referred to as "crack."

Folks might question your intent or whether *you* are a follower of the teachings of Christ if you were to make an accusation, but had no sources or documentation...




People might call you an antagonist who does not back-up his outrageous and false claims...

You are simply a typical antagonist

People might question your motives...

Yeah, his pastor friend has something that you might try to find in a lifetime, but never find it. His parents probably modeled good behavior for him, and it comes naturally to him. Its called class.

more of your "when we do it, it's defending our failth, or because we were insulted, when you do it, it's awful" bullshit.






call-names



make enemies
Quoted:
Never mind with our pesky CoC, just know that I am MELTING your account with my make believe ADMIN LOCK USER button just under your user name. Love ya! *kiss*



Castigate others of faith ...

Quoted:
CRYley, your GOD doesn't exist... It's bullshit! Utter bullshit! You'd have more out of worshiping a toad. In fact, go get a toad, call it "CRYleys GOD", kiss it, lick it, lavish it, love on it, it's a God with more going for it than that mentally ill BLOB GOD that talks to himself has going for it.

False accusations? Remember this one, directed at old painless, that you defended just because "you big meanies are doing it to us":



You guys have any proof for that one yet?



Remember this?




You guys live in this little bubble where you do the same shit that gets you upset, but it's ok because you're just reacting, or defending your faith, or whatever.

 
Luckily we have a factual book backed with archaeology and prophecy called the Bible.

You forgot the ENTIRE book of Revelation.

Applies equally.



 

I've heard.

I didn't quote a creed, I presented before you the word of God, which you promptly rejected.

Which is of no surprise.  One has to do just that to follow Mormonism.

Really showing your ignorance of the Koran here.

Says a guy who doesn't understand that "Jews" and "Israelites" refer to the same people.

I'll stick with the word of God, over a person who blasphemes God by believing and stating that God is an exalted man.

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.


Mat 1
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

And you see the very word of God, and call it manure.

Good, you now agree that science can prove nothing. That's all I said, since that seems to be the church of the atheist. But alas, no real truth is found there.

And I completely understand.
You are subject to man's observations and projections about the universe around him that he understands little to nothing of.
I am subject to God, who has created everything around us and given us intelligent design, which in turn provides for man's observations and projections about the universe around him that he understands little to nothing of.
As much as you want me to be in bondage by a simple "religion", the TRUTH is what really sets you free. If you have no purpose and are of no certain intent on this earth, our arguing is merely irrelevant babbling. There would be no truth to anything we would say anyway, making the atheist argument moot from the first gasp.

If you can expand your mind to the vastness of the solar system, in all its amazing wonder, you can surely ponder that it was created by something...

I can see he clearly knows little of either if he are comparing the "prophecies" of the Koran to those of the Bible; maybe that is even being a bit generous.

 

I'm talking about archaeological facts contained within the Koran.  Are you disputing the fact that Mohammad was known to exist?





I've seen no prophecies of the bible fulfilled that weren't self fulfilling (meaning, people who believed in the prophecies worked to make it happen, or fit...just like people do with nostrodamus).





 

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

>> If you saw Christ, you saw God. He was God manifest in the flesh, who must have been completely human (which God is not) in order to walk among us and suffer the pain we deserved for our sins.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

>> Timothy sure believes that Christ is THE Lord and THE God.

Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. 28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

>> Paul doesn't say Christ purchased with his own blood here...he says GOD purchased with his own blood. Not a mistake.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

>> The Trinity is not just a couple of mythical verses in 2 or 3 spots of the NT. It is woven within the fabric of the entire Bible.

Colossians 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

>> Christ is the bodily expression of the Godhead; Christ is the head of all principality and power. Again...not a mistake!

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

>> Need I explain another blatant comment by Paul? Pretty elementary here.

Hebrews 1:God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

>> God says he would be to Christ as a Father, and Christ would be to him a Son. He is no creation, like Adam. And to boot, God says UNTO THE SON "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever." Not a mistake.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

>> Jesus Christ is Jesus the Redeemer. Just as the OT Psalms and many other places mention, God is THE REDEEMER. Jesus is THE REDEEMER manifested in flesh, because God knew it would take the ULTIMATE sacrifice, a human sacrifice that only HE could do. Belief in Christ is belief in the Father and the Son in the same breath!

1 Timothy 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

>> Christ is the Lord of lords, above all, and he is the ONLY one that has immortality. Trinity, plain and simple. Christ cannot be another god who transferred himself to earth as a child and raises himself from the dead, and then removes himself from the earth again. Only God has the power to do this -- and in sacrificing Himself in the flesh, as a human on this earth, to receive all the suffering and shame that none of us could bear, these were his means. God NOT sacrificing Himself to redeem his people, but making some other god go take his place, throws out what God has been doing for lowly man since creation.

Don't want to hear it from me? Okay...

Hebrews 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. 10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. 13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same[b]; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 [b]Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

>> The purpose of Christ, who says he was "in the Father, and the Father in Him", was because he HAD TO BE MADE LIKE HIS BRETHREN to make propitiation for the sins of man. God is not a human and will not ever be a human form in the earthly sense. In order to REDEEM His people, He sent the physical manifestation of himself to this earth through Mary, that he might be tempted and suffer in order to SHOW MAN HOW TO LIVE. Only God can do this. He and Christ, as they claim, are One.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

>> God doesn't commendeth his love for us if he simply sends some completely separate being to die for us. All that makes is a martyr. We have been atoned for by the sacrifice of God, whom alone has the power to redeem. We are atoned for, saved, and joy BY God THROUGH Lord Jesus....NOT FROM Christ.




We ought to read the Word of God first, rather than read what another says of the Word of God or tells us how to interpret the Word of God.
The Almighty made the Bible accessible and readable for man, much regardless of age or intellect. If we needed an additional commentary on what God meant, then all those who believe JUST what the biblical texts contained that came before us have lived astray.

If one chooses to believe in the "church of Arias", then they believe in a "Christianity" that has no surviving artifacts and God wasn't able to continue the "truth"; Arias was directly influenced by 1st century theologians, including Origen Adamantius, who was one of the most well known Christian theologians at the time. Wonder why Origen wasn't canonized as a saint? Because some of his teaches DIRECTLY contradicted those of the apostles.

Is that really where we want to stem the Truth of all the earth?
While some have an issue with the Nicene Creed, it is MORE than acceptable for the creed to have been a coherent agreement by the VAST, OVERWHELMING majority of Christian leaders as to what the teachings of Christ, the apostles, and the parallelism of the entire biblical texts meant and DENOUNCE the devaluing of the existence of Christ.

I mean no offense whatsoever, but my belief in Christ does not hinge on 2 mortal men. Joseph Smith and Arias will not dictate what the faith of God were designed to be. They have 2 collection of opinions that have SEVERE contradictions with OT and apostolic NT writings.

You have a hard-on for Dogface? Seriously?

The guy didn't post in the thread until *after* a small number of antagonists had already outed themselves from posting lies, half-truths, and misrepresentations about LDS beliefs and practices.

Dogface didn't snap until after this thread from O_P:



Even Fatalerror identified that what M-1975 posted would have gotten the hammer in the past. How was Dogface *honestly* supposed to know that O_P had moved the goalposts?-?

Honest question...?-!-?-!

Once O_P moved the goalposts against LDS arfcommers, Dogface started swinging back. For right or wrong... But in the development of the thread, Dogface didn't post one thing until *after* the antagonists had been caught posting misleading information about LDS Church practices and beliefs...

Dogface snapped. But given the context of the thread, I can understand his position...



Even Fatalerror has identified that less than what Dogface wrote above had gotten the hammer in the past...

I can see why Dogface started swinging-*back* after O_P had the goalposts moved against LDS arfcommers...

And I have asked everyone on both sides to stop swearing, and engage in positive back-and-forth... We might not all agree but we should be agreeable as we disagree...

The statement was archeology AND prophecies. Go look at the "amazing" prophecies of the Koran. They're really (un)spectacular.

The Bible, however, correctly says what the Muslims will be doing to this day, along with describing hundreds of years prior exactly how Christ would be killed. Read up a little, you might be interested. Or not.

Well I'm glad you've come to your grand conclusion! I would say reference your sources, but they'd just be your opinions.
The truth and the order around truth don't exist randomly. You are falling back on "I can observe truth" as an explanation for truth from nothing being reality. Your "logic" and "rationalism" is one big circular reference error.
Enjoy that, but I'll be praying for you. Life is so much more than what you have been led to believe. I'm sorry that your self-conceived purpose of existence has somehow cosmically been determined to be "to make yourself happy". You and fellow humans will fail you in your search. Like I said pages ago, "you believe in yourself ", which is a sad thing to have faith in, because you control almost nothing.

I think my point was valid then, as it is now... And, your words do not match what occurred in the thread at the time...





I think for all intents and purposes, we have done a good job of defending the lies and accusations against our church with truth. We have pointed out error with truth.

Honestly.

You have a hard-on for Dogface for some reason. You have your thing for the guy. The truth is he didn't post in the thread until *after* antagonists had outed themselves with their lies, half-truths, and mis-statements...

And his issuet towards O_P did not come until after O_P called-out Dogface for being an (O_Ps words) "Arocking someone." When even Fatalerror identified that O_P had moved the goalposts against LDS arfcommers...

If you have a question about LDS beliefs and practices, post them... You can see that we are absolutely willing to answer questions as they are asked...

No, the accurate statement would be, "We are willing to undermine the very words of our founder, our apostles and our leaders whenever the doctrines they espouse clearly show that said doctrines are totally opposite to Christianity.  And we will call you liars when you quote them."

That's why so many leave Mormonism and become atheists.

And that's why Christians can realize that some particular doctrines are wrong, and not lose faith.

He is just the best example of the hypocrisy of you guys shitting all over everyone else while crying about "antagonists", personal attacks, class, etc.


Yeah, yeah, I know, "those meanies started it first".

As for the Old Painless thing, yeah that is how it went. He was accused of something insulting, without any proof, and you chime in saying "don't expect an apology until someone else apologizes to us".

Well, if the shoe fits:




... the above for posting a video and asking a question about it. (what does it mean that bad feelings can restrain god?).

Your continued failure to comprehend what you read does not make me a liar.  Nor does your failure at reason.

Your shallow conclusion is ridiculous.  If everything that was written in the Seer was disavowed, then that would include the statements that the church AGREED with.

The leadership did not disavow everything Pratt wrote in the Seer, and in fact had this to say...



So the church leadership disavowed the Seer, in general, but not ALL that it contained.

This is how you regularly operate.

You ought to be embarrassed, but you have no shame.



...And this whole fiasco in Mormondom is yet another example of the difference between Mormonism and Christianity.  

Christian apostles didn't have their teaching disavowed.

Extractr continues to reject the teaching of Mormon APOSTLE Orson Pratt because he stated that all Mormon gods (before Jesus) were in a fallen state and had to be redeemed.

He has no leg to stand on, as my last post pointed out.

But that aside, Extractr has dodged my questions, so I ask them yet again:

Extractr, if you exceed in Mormonism...  you excel in keeping Mormonism's laws and ordinances...

And you become a god yourself one day, with your own planet, and you have children just like Heavenly Father had you...

When your children ask you, "Extractr, have you ever told a lie"?  Are you going to lie to them or admit that you have lied?

When your children ask you, "Extractr, have you ever taken something that didn't belong to you"? Are you going to lie to them or admit that you have stolen?

When your children ask you, "Extractr, have you ever lusted after a woman that wasn't your wife"?  Are you going to lie to them, or admit that as Jesus defined it, you committed adultery?

So Extractr, your answers?


I won't hold my breath for his answers...

He realizes just what those questions mean.

Mormonism can't claim its god is sinless, because they can become gods just like him.

No that isn't how it went.

He was accused of something sent in an I/M... And I backed-up O_P for having never said anything similar in the past...

What was *I* supposed to do... Who was *I* supposed to apologize to...? Serious question. Honestly.

If O_P was looking for an apology, look at the *multiple* lies we have pointed-out in this thread... That was my point. O_P moved the goalposts at the same time he was looking for an apology. Even Fatalerror identified the goalposts getting moved against LDS arfcommers... It was probably the wrong time to go looking for an apology. But even still, I identified that I had never seen O_P say or do anything like that...

Good grief.

No one has said anything similar to "those meanies started it first."

Other than O_P and Dogface disagreeing over something that happened in an I/M, and its a he-said, he-said situation... None of us has done anything similar to the amount of angst and constant-lies we have received from the antagonists...



The goalposts got moved against LDS arfcommers, to allow personal attacks. O_P has said that Smith used to be considered a "religious leader" that is why it wasn't allowed in the past, and he had Smith defined as a "historical figure" to green-light the personal angst against LDS arfcommers and LDS beliefs. And what other word besides "antagonist" would you use to describe someone who lies about LDS beliefs and practices... Honestly...?-?

The term antagonist fits those who purposefully mis-represent the beliefs of others. There have been multiple instances of multiple lies getting caught...

The lies of antagonists have been met with truth. What is your deal, anyway? Are you upset that not everyone got behind Constantine?

As hard as it is to tell the *whole* truth. Try do to it every once in a while...

M-1975 had also accused Smith of being a child-molester... Without any verifiable proof. When he was caught in the lie, that is when he posted the clandestine temple-videos to arfcom to the first time...

He had painted himself in a corner, and needed an out.

Dogface listed the issues he had with the antagonists at the time, and it wasn't just the clandestine Temple videos being green lighted by O_P for the first time...



Even Fatalerror identified that the goalposts had been moved to allow the antatonism of LDS arfcommers in this thread...

From Dogface's perspective:

1. Posted the clandestine Temple videos to arfcom for the first time.

2. Smith child molester comments.

3. Countless other slams.

If Dogface had *three* reasons for being upset with the antagonists, why would you only list *one* reason? Honest question... Seriously.

One more for Dog Shit's collection.

Another for Dog Shit's collection.

I think it's funny how you follow me around, like you're queer for me.  What next, doing to steal some of my worn underwear and sniff them for inspiration?

LIke I said, clearly, you're queer for me... Piss off Nancy.

Or what? You'll message an admin to try to get the thread locked? Maybe take a look at the forum rules before you do.

The fundies started with just a FEW comments about doing this because they love us, then did all the above you posted. I mean sheer hatred, continued to do so, then pronounced us DAMNED.

They keep threatening me with their all mighty smiter who's going to burn me in hell, well, I am waiting for their non-existant schizophreniac Blob God to come get me. These little fundie pussies, run up, kick me in the shins, and when they get slapped like little bitches, they are all "Oh! You can't do that! My 3 Gods stuffed into ONE head is going to get you and burn you in hell"!

Stupid twits, they remind me of the radical Muslims, they blow up an airplane, and when we kick their asses, they have to do some other shit in reprisal for us kicking their asses. Above all else, convert or damn those Mormons is their goal.

Wrong, he accused OP of cursing him out in a past thread and mentioned IMs about said cursing out exchange.

Here's the exact quote






Not defend your buddy for falsely accusing old painless.



Short memory:

Quoted:
The guy didn't post in the thread until *after* a small number of antagonists had already outed themselves from posting lies, half-truths, and misrepresentations about LDS beliefs and practices.

Dogface didn't snap until after this thread from O_P...






I bet criley would disagree.

Dude, if I had that pull with admin, this thread, and your account among several would have been locked, I actually requested your account be locked.  I wanted to make sure you knew it was me that had it done, I'd still have it done if I could.  I'd perma-bad you, chuckle a little, and move on with my day, having taken out the trash. I'd have tossed you, M-1975, CRYley and that other twit Mustb123.

You guys seem EXEMPT from the CoC, so, that means your exemptions apply to me too.  I know, it upsets your little bleeding sissy heart, well, too bad, go eat a toad. "Whaaaaaaa! Mean 'ol Pappy gave me the bird", I'm going to go way off threat topic and protest that everything I post, because I am one lame duck.  

Thanks for the entertainment, freakshow!

Poor Dog Shit,

He seems so preoccupied with me, having appointed himself O_P's "Knight Protector".

Wow - someone takes themselves way too seriously. I can't speak for anyone else - but I don't hate you or any of smith's cultists. I pity you and them - just as I do the moonies, jehovah's witness, christian science, budhists, etc...I hate none of them. It is just that the Bible says many will be fooled by satan. So, while some seem content to let others fall off the cliff - watching every step they take and never saying a word....I choose not to. Maybe some will take it like you do - as an offense or hate or whatever, others may get mad - but then wonder if in fact they are lost.....smith was just another charlatan who fooled many poor folks...I also feel for the families of smith's cultists - what a sad day indeed!

The good news is that God designed you and me with something missing.....and the only thing that can fill that spot is God. He uses the Holy Sprit and Jesus to fill that missing spot. Many folks try drugs, alcohol, money, education, sex, power and fancy - special - sacred - recommended - selected status.......all of those things are trash, crap or any other word you want to use. They may numb the missing spot - or they may make you feel special that you are in a sacred temple and really cool.....sad thing for you is Jesus came to earth and destroyed the veil - no more special temple - no more priests, bishops, popes or anyone else is needed for you to talk with God. We now have a personal relationship with Him. So if you are involved with a cult where only special, sacred and selected folks are allowed in a temple - well - you are following satan - not God - who wrote the Bible.

Of course that assumes you follow the Bible. It seems many of the cults first add/subtract/from the Bible to give themselves special meaning.

Oh. and sending requests for locks and bans? Really? Talk about little girls...is that the problem here? Hormones flaring up are they?

What the freak are you talking about?

Pratt had many other writings other then The Seer.  Some of those were ok.  If you could read at at least a 1st grade level, you would see "The Seer" in its entirety, as well as other writings were disowned.   The church didn't say they agreed with some of The Seer, and disagreed with other parts, they disowned the whole thing, as well as other writings.

Even a small child could have understood this by now.  I'm really beginning to doubt your level of education.


A man writes a pamphlet for the church.
The  Church says it's false doctrine and disowns it.
The author apologizes and disowns it as well.

LIEly comes along and says "nope, it is fully true and a major tenant of Mormon beliefs.

Yes, that is how silly you sound.


Still waiting for your source for your claim that the Mormon Church called people liars.

LIEly

When you find accepted teachings from Pratt, that discuss that,  and not ones he disowned, let us know,  until then your ignorance is plainly evident.  I See more of your famous "verbatim" quotes, (lies) that are actually no where in Mormon writings, but are simplyyour slander and exaggerations.

I'm not dodging your questions,  anymore then you are dodging your lies.  (Still waiting for that source where the Mormon church called people liars)


So, if you asked Christ those questions,  what would he say?

I am not perfect, the same as any normal man that has ever lived on the earth.

And no, I have never stolen anything or lusted after another woman.

Have you?

LIEly

Honest question.  Once someone has accepted Christ and is saved, can they lose their salvation?

Ah, so you can talk all the shit you want about the LDS church, slam the prophet, call him a child molester, make remarks about us going to hell because we're Mormons, but I'm a little girl for request your account lock. COOL!

As I said, you are easy, Mustb as easy as 123.

Its a he-said, he-said situation. Whether you like it or not... Honestly.

You sound like this is Jr. High. Seriously...

I defended O_P, and O_P would have gotten a hundred more LDS arfcommers to come to his aid if he hadn't timed a he-said, he-said purse fight with moving the goalposts against LDS arfcommers.

Even Fatalerror caught the goalpost move.



I defended O_P, said that I had never seen the behavior before from O_P... I also pointed-out that there was more than just O_P who had caught people outright lying in this thread...

What is your deal...?-?

O_P can be correct in demanding an apology...

And Dogface can be correct in pointing-out the blatant goalpost move (that at least one other non-LDS arfcommer caught)...

Looking at it in retrospect, especially with O_P moving the goalposts at the same time, I cannot say that either party (O_P or Dogface) is *completely* innocent here...

Seriously... What is your deal?




Nope. Searched the thread. Those are your words, and your words only... You sound like you are in second grade. Honestly.

Not everyone got behind Constantine. Some stay true to the *original* "Christian" Church. Get over it.




Holy crap that's funny. You are going to have to do better. Criley made his bed years and years ago. He has earned his position...

I have had criled on ignore for years. I have not read a criley post for several years... Honestly. What is your point. Most other LDS arfcomers do as well... He is a bonafide antagonist of the highest-order.

I caught him years-ago taking craps in every single thread that *mentioned* the LDS Church... It has been a while since I have even responded to criley directly. He is a joke. He is a caricature.

He was famous for finding old non-doctrinal quotes from long-forgotten LDS folks, and splicing quotes together out-of-context, and combining quotes from different times and situations into, "Here is what LDS folks believe..." He would pretend to have *just* got caught, and pretend that he didn't know what academic integrity was... Time and time again.

I caught him years ago, pointed-out his errors, and when he kept doing it, I put him on *ignore.* It is not like I am worried. He is so over-the-top, he does us a favor by being a caricature. He was the easiest kind of antagonist to prove wrong when I was a missionary.

He lies about LDS Church teachings and doctrines, then pretends not to know any better when he gets caught... Years ago I put him on ignore... I have him on ignore, but his constant and consistent lies about LDS practices and beliefs makes him a bonafide antagonist, wouldn't you agree...?

What was your point? Honestly. Seriously.