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Link Posted: 10/7/2014 12:13:07 PM EDT
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So how long until Police just start calling in an airstrike on suspected "drug homes" instead of risking lives.

I mean drugs = terrorism..... so... drone strikes!
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That will happen after they raid a house where someone is prepared and kills a bunch of them.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 12:13:52 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/7/2014 12:13:59 PM EDT
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Let me guess...no drugs found means the guy is white as snow and a model citizen?
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No, but it does mean that the police are 0-2 while investigating the citizen they killed.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 12:14:20 PM EDT
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I guess that people are guilty till proven innocent right comrade?
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 12:16:18 PM EDT
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I'm sure he spanked his dog too hard or jaywalked or any other reason that should lead to him being carried out in a body bag.

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Let me guess...no drugs found means the guy is white as snow and a model citizen?


I'm sure he spanked his dog too hard or jaywalked or any other reason that should lead to him being carried out in a body bag.



Perhaps he was one of those evil wrong-wood -stacking sunofabitches.

Link Posted: 10/7/2014 12:16:58 PM EDT
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No the truth is worse than what the author wrote.



If you are going to publish something at least be truthful. This case should not even be mentioned in a "bad raid" article because that is not what it was.
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So you're saying a raid based on false information (from the officers, not a CI) doesn't fit under the umbrella of "bad raid"




You do understand how that sounds, don't you?






Link Posted: 10/7/2014 12:18:32 PM EDT
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I can't find the original article from the newspaper but here ya go
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We had a swat raid against a farm for not stacking firewood properly.

I gotta read that story.

I can't find the original article from the newspaper but here ya go
Enjoy

Don't mess with Texas.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 12:24:16 PM EDT
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I feel much safer.

Meanwhile, the real drug dealers who probably live just two doors down, where everyone knows they are, will continue to operate same same as always.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 12:26:17 PM EDT
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a narcotics team from Atlanta killed 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston during a drug raid on her home, then attempted to plant drugs in her basement to cover its mistake. The team had been relying on a tip from an informant and did no corroborating investigation.

Why do authors lie about things like this? It just taints everything else they write.
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Did you check to see who the author is?  You'll only need one guess.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 12:26:54 PM EDT
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Yep. The cops made the whole thing up. There was no informant. There was no investigation. They wanted a look in the house so they fabricated the whole case.
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a narcotics team from Atlanta killed 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston during a drug raid on her home, then attempted to plant drugs in her basement to cover its mistake. The team had been relying on a tip from an informant and did no corroborating investigation.

Why do authors lie about things like this? It just taints everything else they write.




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All three men pleaded guilty to federal charges of conspiracy to violate civil rights resulting in death. Smith and Junnier also pleaded guilty to state charges of voluntary manslaughter and making false statements, and Smith admitted to planting bags of marijuana in Johnston's home after her death.



Yep. The cops made the whole thing up. There was no informant. There was no investigation. They wanted a look in the house so they fabricated the whole case.


Wow. Taking up for cops who admitted to planting evidence?

I'm somewhat speechless.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 12:30:07 PM EDT
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Wow. Taking up for cops who admitted to planting evidence?

I'm somewhat speechless.
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a narcotics team from Atlanta killed 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston during a drug raid on her home, then attempted to plant drugs in her basement to cover its mistake. The team had been relying on a tip from an informant and did no corroborating investigation.

Why do authors lie about things like this? It just taints everything else they write.




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All three men pleaded guilty to federal charges of conspiracy to violate civil rights resulting in death. Smith and Junnier also pleaded guilty to state charges of voluntary manslaughter and making false statements, and Smith admitted to planting bags of marijuana in Johnston's home after her death.



Yep. The cops made the whole thing up. There was no informant. There was no investigation. They wanted a look in the house so they fabricated the whole case.


Wow. Taking up for cops who admitted to planting evidence?

I'm somewhat speechless.


IIRC Bama said those dipshits should be executed.  "Taking up for them" is not what he's doing.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 12:33:22 PM EDT
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IIRC Bama said those dipshits should be executed.  "Taking up for them" is not what he's doing.
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a narcotics team from Atlanta killed 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston during a drug raid on her home, then attempted to plant drugs in her basement to cover its mistake. The team had been relying on a tip from an informant and did no corroborating investigation.



Why do authors lie about things like this? It just taints everything else they write.

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All three men pleaded guilty to federal charges of conspiracy to violate civil rights resulting in death. Smith and Junnier also pleaded guilty to state charges of voluntary manslaughter and making false statements, and Smith admitted to planting bags of marijuana in Johnston's home after her death.






Yep. The cops made the whole thing up. There was no informant. There was no investigation. They wanted a look in the house so they fabricated the whole case.




Wow. Taking up for cops who admitted to planting evidence?



I'm somewhat speechless.





IIRC Bama said those dipshits should be executed.  "Taking up for them" is not what he's doing.




 
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Bama was not taking up for the dirty cops, he was saying that the author of the article twisted the facts and made it look less severe than it actually was.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 12:34:23 PM EDT
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No kidding.




Stack that cordwood proper citizen!






Link Posted: 10/7/2014 12:52:09 PM EDT
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Bama was not taking up for the dirty cops, he was saying that the author of the article twisted the facts and made it look less severe than it actually was.





 

That wasn't clear.  The implication I got was the story was untrue and it was a valid raid.   That would be the normal interpretation of his remarks.  His later clarification that it wasn't a bad raid is bullshit.







Whether a CI lied or an officer lied, either way its a bad raid.  







I agree with Bama that the officers should have been given the death penalty.  







 
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:02:08 PM EDT
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Bama was not taking up for the dirty cops, he was saying that the author of the article twisted the facts and made it look less severe than it actually was.

  That wasn't clear.  The implication I got was the story was untrue and it was a valid raid.   That would be the normal interpretation of his remarks.  His later clarification that it wasn't a bad raid is bullshit.

Whether a CI lied or an officer lied, either way its a bad raid.  

I agree with Bama that the officers should have been given the death penalty.  


 
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Bama was not taking up for the dirty cops, he was saying that the author of the article twisted the facts and made it look less severe than it actually was.

  That wasn't clear.  The implication I got was the story was untrue and it was a valid raid.   That would be the normal interpretation of his remarks.  His later clarification that it wasn't a bad raid is bullshit.

Whether a CI lied or an officer lied, either way its a bad raid.  

I agree with Bama that the officers should have been given the death penalty.  


 



I'll bet Mrs Johnston thought it was a bad raid.........
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:08:49 PM EDT
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Bama was not taking up for the dirty cops, he was saying that the author of the article twisted the facts and made it look less severe than it actually was.



 

That wasn't clear.  The implication I got was the story was untrue and it was a valid raid.   That would be the normal interpretation of his remarks.  His later clarification that it wasn't a bad raid is bullshit.







Whether a CI lied or an officer lied, either way its a bad raid.  







I agree with Bama that the officers should have been given the death penalty.  










 





 

Entering a place based on information that proves to be bad intel, is a bad raid.







Entering a place based on information that was made up by the cops that did the raid is far beyond a "bad raid" the cops involved should have gotten premeditated murder charges.

 
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:12:29 PM EDT
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Bama was not taking up for the dirty cops, he was saying that the author of the article twisted the facts and made it look less severe than it actually was.


 
That wasn't clear.  The implication I got was the story was untrue and it was a valid raid.   That would be the normal interpretation of his remarks.  His later clarification that it wasn't a bad raid is bullshit.




Whether a CI lied or an officer lied, either way its a bad raid.  




I agree with Bama that the officers should have been given the death penalty.  






 


 
Entering a place based on information that proves to be bad intel, is a bad raid.




Entering a place based on information that was made up by the cops themselves is far beyond a "bad raid"




 
agreed, which is why I'm hoping Bama will clarify what he meant.




Saying it wasn't a bad raid because the officers made the evidence up seems to be a clintonesque  evasion.









Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:20:03 PM EDT
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These stories always confuse the shit out of me, because I can never figure out if they are protecting, or serving.

Maybe both?
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:28:53 PM EDT
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All three men pleaded guilty to federal charges of conspiracy to violate civil rights resulting in death. Smith and Junnier also pleaded guilty to state charges of voluntary manslaughter and making false statements, and Smith admitted to planting bags of marijuana in Johnston's home after her death.
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a narcotics team from Atlanta killed 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston during a drug raid on her home, then attempted to plant drugs in her basement to cover its mistake. The team had been relying on a tip from an informant and did no corroborating investigation.

Why do authors lie about things like this? It just taints everything else they write.




Ex-Atlanta officers get prison time for cover-up in deadly raid
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All three men pleaded guilty to federal charges of conspiracy to violate civil rights resulting in death. Smith and Junnier also pleaded guilty to state charges of voluntary manslaughter and making false statements, and Smith admitted to planting bags of marijuana in Johnston's home after her death.

I find it kind of odd they just happened to carry bags of drugs that day.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:30:34 PM EDT
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Don't mess with Texas.
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We had a swat raid against a farm for not stacking firewood properly.

I gotta read that story.

I can't find the original article from the newspaper but here ya go
Enjoy

Don't mess with Texas.

It is a free state.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:30:46 PM EDT
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I find it kind of odd they just happened to carry bags of drugs that day.
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Isolated incident.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:34:56 PM EDT
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Can't you all see? The war on drugs is very successful. Successful at killing innocent people.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:37:35 PM EDT
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Yep. The cops made the whole thing up. There was no informant. There was no investigation. They wanted a look in the house so they fabricated the whole case.
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a narcotics team from Atlanta killed 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston during a drug raid on her home, then attempted to plant drugs in her basement to cover its mistake. The team had been relying on a tip from an informant and did no corroborating investigation.

Why do authors lie about things like this? It just taints everything else they write.




Ex-Atlanta officers get prison time for cover-up in deadly raid
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All three men pleaded guilty to federal charges of conspiracy to violate civil rights resulting in death. Smith and Junnier also pleaded guilty to state charges of voluntary manslaughter and making false statements, and Smith admitted to planting bags of marijuana in Johnston's home after her death.



Yep. The cops made the whole thing up. There was no informant. There was no investigation. They wanted a look in the house so they fabricated the whole case.


What did the author lie about?
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:38:02 PM EDT
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Just a few more bodies, guys, and we'll have won this war against those evil drugs.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:40:27 PM EDT
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1 ban, 3 locks, 8 pages.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:41:28 PM EDT
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a narcotics team from Atlanta killed 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston during a drug raid on her home, then attempted to plant drugs in her basement to cover its mistake. The team had been relying on a tip from an informant and did no corroborating investigation.

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What part of the statement is false?
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:43:02 PM EDT
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Anyone who hasn't become increasingly uncomfortable with no-knocks, the "war" on drugs, etc is completely out to lunch and apparently wants their ass-wiped by the almighty state from cradle to grave...  
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I don't mind no-knocks, but they seem to be handing them out far too frequently. If there is good evidence that a serial killer was holed up somewhere or some people were planning on setting off some bombs/other act of terrorism, sure.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:43:38 PM EDT
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No-knock warrants are for evidence preservation, not police safety, as was pointed out in the OP.  Since they didn't find any evidence, why the no-knock?  I'm guessing the taxpayers are going to be soaked good on this one.  I know if I was one, I'd be calling for the chief's nuts, along with the judge who signed this bullshit warrant.
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No-Knock entry is constitutionally permissible when the occupant already knows of the officers' presence and purpose, when knocking and announcing would increase the danger to police or the occupants, and when knocking and announcing could lead to destruction of evidence.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:44:10 PM EDT
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Bama was not taking up for the dirty cops, he was saying that the author of the article twisted the facts and made it look less severe than it actually was.
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The author linked to this article (quote below) that plainly stated the facts. The author quote IMO is out of context and is referring to what the cops claimed (the fact the police made up the informant story).

"We now know that these were all lies. In fact, everything about the Kathryn Johnston murder was corrupt. The initial arrest of the ex-con came via trumped-up charges. The police then invented an informant for the search warrant, and lied about overseeing a drug buy from Johnston's home."
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No-Knock entry is constitutionally permissible when the occupant already knows of the officers' presence and purpose, when knocking and announcing would increase the danger to police or the occupants, and when knocking and announcing could lead to destruction of evidence.
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No-knock warrants are for evidence preservation, not police safety, as was pointed out in the OP.  Since they didn't find any evidence, why the no-knock?  I'm guessing the taxpayers are going to be soaked good on this one.  I know if I was one, I'd be calling for the chief's nuts, along with the judge who signed this bullshit warrant.



No-Knock entry is constitutionally permissible when the occupant already knows of the officers' presence and purpose, when knocking and announcing would increase the danger to police or the occupants, and when knocking and announcing could lead to destruction of evidence.



Years from now drone strikes will be Constitutional for the same reasoning.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:48:40 PM EDT
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One of my favorite lines from Bladerunner:

"You know the score pal, if you ain't cop, your little people!"

And no, VA does not have a Castle Law, it clearly states that you cannot use deadly force to protect property. Though, if you feel your life is in danger you can.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:51:18 PM EDT
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This and someone should go to prison for their negligence.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:53:58 PM EDT
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That would be a head shot or is this like the Bama case where the 5 cops beat an unconsious man into coma then got fired and convicted only to have it overturned and them get their jobs back...  They should all be still in prison even if the guy was guilty the video was bad...
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 1:54:12 PM EDT
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No.  He deserved to die though.  No question.


















































Do I really need to add this:    /sarcasm.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 2:04:48 PM EDT
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Again, why can't this shit happen to family members of:

SEAL TEAM X

USMC Force Recon

ARMY SF

DELTA FORCE

USMC STA Platoon

...

Just askin'.

Anyone that knows me knows that I'm not against the County Mounty.

I'm am dead set against the WOD and unlawfulness {even if it is the Law} by Johnny Law.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 2:07:42 PM EDT
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The author linked to this article (quote below) that plainly stated the facts. The author quote IMO is out of context and is referring to what the cops claimed (the fact the police made up the informant story).



"We now know that these were all lies. In fact, everything about the Kathryn Johnston murder was corrupt. The initial arrest of the ex-con came via trumped-up charges. The police then invented an informant for the search warrant, and lied about overseeing a drug buy from Johnston's home."

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Bama was not taking up for the dirty cops, he was saying that the author of the article twisted the facts and made it look less severe than it actually was.







The author linked to this article (quote below) that plainly stated the facts. The author quote IMO is out of context and is referring to what the cops claimed (the fact the police made up the informant story).



"We now know that these were all lies. In fact, everything about the Kathryn Johnston murder was corrupt. The initial arrest of the ex-con came via trumped-up charges. The police then invented an informant for the search warrant, and lied about overseeing a drug buy from Johnston's home."





 
The article in the OP that was from the WAPO is the one that had a misrepresentation of facts, that omitted that fact that the informant was made up.




The CNN article you linked to that had the part of the story you put in bold, Bama was agreeing with you.



Link Posted: 10/7/2014 2:14:26 PM EDT
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Fire and Rope seem to be the answers to home invasions.  Just sayin.
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Pathetic.  
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 2:30:28 PM EDT
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It's a pretty good indication that the burglar the police were working with is a liar. I mean the first clue is that he's a meth addicted burglar who explained the drugs found with him by saying "it's not my car!"
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Wow.  That's post of the day material right there.
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  The article in the OP that was from the WAPO is the one that had a misrepresentation of facts, that omitted that fact that the informant was made up.

The CNN article you linked to that had the part of the story you put in bold, Bama was agreeing with you.

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Bama was not taking up for the dirty cops, he was saying that the author of the article twisted the facts and made it look less severe than it actually was.



The author linked to this article (quote below) that plainly stated the facts. The author quote IMO is out of context and is referring to what the cops claimed (the fact the police made up the informant story).

"We now know that these were all lies. In fact, everything about the Kathryn Johnston murder was corrupt. The initial arrest of the ex-con came via trumped-up charges. The police then invented an informant for the search warrant, and lied about overseeing a drug buy from Johnston's home."

  The article in the OP that was from the WAPO is the one that had a misrepresentation of facts, that omitted that fact that the informant was made up.

The CNN article you linked to that had the part of the story you put in bold, Bama was agreeing with you.




The problem is Bama provided a quote from the OP and then stated it was lies. Any reasonable person would assume this to mean everything he quoted was a lie. How the fook are we supposed to know what part of the quote he's referring to? Now it just sounds like Bama is back-peddling to cover up his mistake, which is typical for most cops posting here when they are proven wrong.


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Why do authors lie about things like this? It just taints everything else they write.
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The problem is Bama provided a quote from the OP and then stated it was lies. Any reasonable person would assume this to mean everything he quoted was a lie. How the fook are we supposed to know what part of the quote he's referring to? Now it just sounds like Bama is back-peddling to cover up his mistake, which is typical for most cops posting here when they are proven wrong.

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In all fairness, it is ridiculous how carefully cops have to parse their words here. But it's the reality of the situation.

However, it was rather ambiguous.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 2:59:59 PM EDT
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How about the old fashion search warrant executed by patrol officers?
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In all fairness, it is ridiculous how carefully cops have to parse their words here. But it's the reality of the situation.

However, it was rather ambiguous.
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The problem is Bama provided a quote from the OP and then stated it was lies. Any reasonable person would assume this to mean everything he quoted was a lie. How the fook are we supposed to know what part of the quote he's referring to? Now it just sounds like Bama is back-peddling to cover up his mistake, which is typical for most cops posting here when they are proven wrong.



In all fairness, it is ridiculous how carefully cops have to parse their words here. But it's the reality of the situation.

However, it was rather ambiguous.


Life is like that.
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Modus operandi. Attack the article when it makes TBL look bad.
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a narcotics team from Atlanta killed 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston during a drug raid on her home, then attempted to plant drugs in her basement to cover its mistake. The team had been relying on a tip from an informant and did no corroborating investigation.

Why do authors lie about things like this? It just taints everything else they write.




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All three men pleaded guilty to federal charges of conspiracy to violate civil rights resulting in death. Smith and Junnier also pleaded guilty to state charges of voluntary manslaughter and making false statements, and Smith admitted to planting bags of marijuana in Johnston's home after her death.

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Modus operandi. Attack the article when it makes TBL look bad.


I don't recall ever a time where Bama has been a TBL kind of guy.
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a narcotics team from Atlanta killed 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston during a drug raid on her home, then attempted to plant drugs in her basement to cover its mistake. The team had been relying on a tip from an informant and did no corroborating investigation.

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Perhaps they learned it from the police?
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What it means is a free man was murdered in his own home by the very organization that is supposed to protect him from being murdered in his own home.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 3:49:58 PM EDT
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Let me guess...no drugs found means the guy is white as snow and a model citizen?
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No, but it does means the police intel was flawed.
Link Posted: 10/7/2014 3:52:13 PM EDT
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