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Posted: 4/8/2014 7:23:01 PM EDT
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Yeah... I'm sitting here trying to think of a dollar amount that I would accept to spend 25 years in prison for a crime I didn't commit, without killing the worthless fucks that sent me there when I finally got out. A billion dollars a year would still be questionable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Damn. How much realistically will this net him in damages? Not enough. Yeah... I'm sitting here trying to think of a dollar amount that I would accept to spend 25 years in prison for a crime I didn't commit, without killing the worthless fucks that sent me there when I finally got out. A billion dollars a year would still be questionable. I'm honestly surprised that one of the victims of our justice system hasn't gotten even. |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 7:24:16 PM EDT
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Being in LE myself, that's a shitty story and it would appear that guy shouldn't have spent 25 years in prison. At very least the city needs to pay him a metric shit ton of money. Being in LE myself, that's a shitty story and it would appear that the guy shouldn't have spent 25 years in prison. At the very least the officers who obscured the receipt from disney land that exonerated him should spend a minimum of 25 years in federal PMITA prison for official oppression and tampering with evidence and obstruction of justice. |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 8:20:04 PM EDT
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Some GDtard, 25 years ago: Hurr durr shoulda drug 'em outside the court house and blode his head off witha $0.10 furdy-five... Idda donated the ammo! +1 |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 8:56:05 PM EDT
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Death penalty should be reserved for open/shut solid cases. Multiple witnesses, cam footage, public homicides, caught the guy eating the corpse, etc. If there is ANY room for doubt, naaaaah. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cases like these are why I am against the death penalty. Death penalty should be reserved for open/shut solid cases. Multiple witnesses, cam footage, public homicides, caught the guy eating the corpse, etc. If there is ANY room for doubt, naaaaah. Strongly AGREE |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 9:01:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Death penalty should be reserved for open/shut solid cases. Multiple witnesses, cam footage, public homicides, caught the guy eating the corpse, etc. If there is ANY room for doubt, naaaaah. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cases like these are why I am against the death penalty. Death penalty should be reserved for open/shut solid cases. Multiple witnesses, cam footage, public homicides, caught the guy eating the corpse, etc. If there is ANY room for doubt, naaaaah. Even then, you're a fool if you trust the government. |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 9:02:02 PM EDT
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Imprisonment should be reserved for open/shut solid cases. Multiple witnesses, cam footage, public homicides, caught the guy eating the corpse, etc. If there is ANY room for doubt, naaaaah. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cases like these are why I am against the death penalty. Imprisonment should be reserved for open/shut solid cases. Multiple witnesses, cam footage, public homicides, caught the guy eating the corpse, etc. If there is ANY room for doubt, naaaaah. Adjusted it a little |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 9:04:39 PM EDT
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25 years in prison changes a man. Even if he were a saint when he went in, I wonder how damaged he is now.
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Posted: 4/8/2014 9:10:51 PM EDT
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the police had in their possession a receipt placing him 1000 miles away FROM THE TIME OF THE ARREST?! WTF kind of defense did he have? or were the cops hiding it?
if they hid it, anyone who did that needs to do 50 years 
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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:44:59 AM EDT
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Well, he's banked 25 years. Not going to blame him. Not condoning it, but I'd understand.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 1:24:22 AM EDT
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Well, he's banked 25 years. Not going to blame him. Not condoning it, but I'd understand. This pretty much sums up my attitude on this story. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 1:33:51 AM EDT
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"The eyewitness recanted her testimony soon after Fleming's 1990 conviction, saying she had lied so police would cut her loose for an unrelated arrest, but Fleming lost his appeals."
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Posted: 4/9/2014 3:06:45 AM EDT
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Good thing that PC's weren't widespread back then, or they might have also "found" kiddie porn on his computer.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 4:33:18 AM EDT
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Same here. I'd wait till I got paid then spend it making life as miserable on the pukes (not the jury) that put me away as I could. I'd live by the feud on their asses. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cases like these are why I am against the death penalty. Same here. I'd wait till I got paid then spend it making life as miserable on the pukes (not the jury) that put me away as I could. I'd live by the feud on their asses. Not me, I would spend every day doing stuff I wished I could've done while locked up. I would want that chapter of my life closed. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 4:34:42 AM EDT
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At the very least the officers who obscured the receipt from disney land that exonerated him should spend a minimum of 25 years in federal PMITA prison for official oppression and tampering with evidence and obstruction of justice. Link to source of that? I don't see anything about that in the article in the OP. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 4:48:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "The eyewitness recanted her testimony soon after Fleming's 1990 conviction, saying she had lied so police would cut her loose for an unrelated arrest, but Fleming lost his appeals." That bitch should serve the same amount of time as he did. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 4:51:23 AM EDT
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That bitch should serve the same amount of time as he did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The eyewitness recanted her testimony soon after Fleming's 1990 conviction, saying she had lied so police would cut her loose for an unrelated arrest, but Fleming lost his appeals." That bitch should serve the same amount of time as he did. Frankly, any testimony given by criminals in exchange for deals, is worthless IMO. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 4:51:35 AM EDT
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"The eyewitness recanted her testimony soon after Fleming's 1990 conviction, saying she had lied so police would cut her loose for an unrelated arrest, but Fleming lost his appeals." [Chief Wiggum] "Nice work, boys..." [/Chief Wiggum] |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 4:52:59 AM EDT
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Cases like these are why I am against the death penalty. Sacco and Vanzetti |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 4:55:37 AM EDT
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a review by prosecutors turned up a hotel receipt putting Fleming in Florida hours before the killing How in the actual fuck did this little tidbit only just now turn up? Did his attorney(s) get their degrees from Big Gay Al's Tire, Haircare, and Lawyering Superplex? Edit: Answered, police prosecution suppressed it. Awesome. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 4:59:06 AM EDT
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That bitch should serve the same amount of time as he did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The eyewitness recanted her testimony soon after Fleming's 1990 conviction, saying she had lied so police would cut her loose for an unrelated arrest, but Fleming lost his appeals." That bitch should serve the same amount of time as he did. I'll go one further and execute her. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:03:34 AM EDT
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How in the actual fuck did this little tidbit only just now turn up? Did his attorney(s) get their degrees from Big Gay Al's Tire, Haircare, and Lawyering Superplex? Edit: Answered, police suppressed it. Awesome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
a review by prosecutors turned up a hotel receipt putting Fleming in Florida hours before the killing How in the actual fuck did this little tidbit only just now turn up? Did his attorney(s) get their degrees from Big Gay Al's Tire, Haircare, and Lawyering Superplex? Edit: Answered, police suppressed it. Awesome. Do you have a link to that? I couldn't find it in the original story. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:04:20 AM EDT
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Do you have a link to that? I couldn't find it in the original story. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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a review by prosecutors turned up a hotel receipt putting Fleming in Florida hours before the killing How in the actual fuck did this little tidbit only just now turn up? Did his attorney(s) get their degrees from Big Gay Al's Tire, Haircare, and Lawyering Superplex? Edit: Answered, police suppressed it. Awesome. Do you have a link to that? I couldn't find it in the original story. I didn't see that in the OP's article FWIW. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:04:52 AM EDT
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Do you have a link to that? I couldn't find it in the original story. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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a review by prosecutors turned up a hotel receipt putting Fleming in Florida hours before the killing How in the actual fuck did this little tidbit only just now turn up? Did his attorney(s) get their degrees from Big Gay Al's Tire, Haircare, and Lawyering Superplex? Edit: Answered, police suppressed it. Awesome. Do you have a link to that? I couldn't find it in the original story. Good point, the story just said they found it, not who kept it from the defense. So either the police or the prosecutors. ETA: Probably the prosecution, since it reappeared after their "review" of the evidence. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:05:16 AM EDT
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I will accept 1M per year of incarceration AND I want the lady who falsely testified against me to spend 25 years in jail. If the DA did not accept this offer I would hire a lawyer and start at 5M per year of incarceration plus legal fees.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:17:19 AM EDT
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Yup.........and yet we STILL have the fucking death penalty
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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:19:54 AM EDT
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Do you have a link to that? I couldn't find it in the original story. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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a review by prosecutors turned up a hotel receipt putting Fleming in Florida hours before the killing How in the actual fuck did this little tidbit only just now turn up? Did his attorney(s) get their degrees from Big Gay Al's Tire, Haircare, and Lawyering Superplex? Edit: Answered, police suppressed it. Awesome. Do you have a link to that? I couldn't find it in the original story. And prosecutors' review produced a hotel receipt that Fleming paid in Florida about five hours before the shooting — a document that police had evidently had since they found in Fleming's pocket on arresting him, Mayol and Koss said.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:41:21 AM EDT
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a review by prosecutors turned up a hotel receipt putting Fleming in Florida hours before the killing How in the actual fuck did this little tidbit only just now turn up? Did his attorney(s) get their degrees from Big Gay Al's Tire, Haircare, and Lawyering Superplex? Edit: Answered, police suppressed it. Awesome. Do you have a link to that? I couldn't find it in the original story. And prosecutors' review produced a hotel receipt that Fleming paid in Florida about five hours before the shooting — a document that police had evidently had since they found in Fleming's pocket on arresting him, Mayol and Koss said.
Yeah, I saw that in the OP. I was looking for a link about the police suppressing it. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:51:07 AM EDT
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So sad.
Third of his life wiped out. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:00:53 AM EDT
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This is why I urge caution to those that rabidly seek the death penalty and rush to conclusions. When you're dealing with matters of life and death that is handled by a government bureaucracy it pays to be careful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Police corruption. And prosecutors' review produced a hotel receipt that Fleming paid in Florida about five hours before the shooting — a document that police had evidently had since they found in Fleming's pocket on arresting him, Mayol and Koss said. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/08/1989-nyc-murder/7467337/ But . . . but . . . the police don't want to put innocent people in jail and it's always good to talk to them so you can clear things up. What a bunch of happy horse-shit. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This is why I urge caution to those that rabidly seek the death penalty and rush to conclusions. When you're dealing with matters of life and death that is handled by a government bureaucracy it pays to be careful. W/ the scrutiny that a death penalty case receives, it is probably less likely as a percentage of cases that an innocent man will be executed, then that an innocent man will rot in prison till he dies of natural causes. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:11:27 AM EDT
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Yeah, I saw that in the OP. I was looking for a link about the police suppressing it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And prosecutors' review produced a hotel receipt that Fleming paid in Florida about five hours before the shooting — a document that police had evidently had since they found in Fleming's pocket on arresting him, Mayol and Koss said.
Yeah, I saw that in the OP. I was looking for a link about the police suppressing it. Sounds like it was vouchered and buried in the prosecutors case file the whole time. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:23:42 AM EDT
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This is why I urge caution to those that rabidly seek the death penalty and rush to conclusions. When you're dealing with matters of life and death that is handled by a government bureaucracy it pays to be careful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Police corruption. And prosecutors' review produced a hotel receipt that Fleming paid in Florida about five hours before the shooting — a document that police had evidently had since they found in Fleming's pocket on arresting him, Mayol and Koss said. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/08/1989-nyc-murder/7467337/ But . . . but . . . the police don't want to put innocent people in jail and it's always good to talk to them so you can clear things up. What a bunch of happy horse-shit. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This is why I urge caution to those that rabidly seek the death penalty and rush to conclusions. When you're dealing with matters of life and death that is handled by a government bureaucracy it pays to be careful. That stories like this seem to show up on a pretty regular basis has made me rethink my position on the death penalty. I always wonder how many more truly innocent people are rotting in prison as a result of our justice system trying to make the crime fit the suspect, corruption and the thirst for advancement and power amongst DA's and judges. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:28:20 AM EDT
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That stories like this seem to show up on a pretty regular basis has made me rethink my position on the death penalty. Working in LE and seeing how the system really works made me change my mind on the death penalty. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:12:35 AM EDT
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It seems every time I read these stories they always get screwed over by a woman, and nothing usually happens to said woman. Just a casual observation in which I'm probably wrong. No, guy accused of rape in Long Beach had a woman recant and got released. He was given a shot at the NFL last year.... |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 9:23:47 AM EDT
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Actually, those damages are usually paid from an insurance policy, but the taxpayers do foot the bill for the premiums. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Holy Christ on crack. You know the worst part of this? The guy is going to get one hell of a payout, and it's not going to cost the Judge, jury, cops, or prosecutor that sent him to prison a single dime. But the rest of us taxpayers are going to be screwed out of several million dollars. Half of which will probably go to his lawyer. 
Actually, those damages are usually paid from an insurance policy, but the taxpayers do foot the bill for the premiums. Errors and Ommissions. 
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Posted: 4/9/2014 9:33:39 AM EDT
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Police corruption. And prosecutors' review produced a hotel receipt that Fleming paid in Florida about five hours before the shooting — a document that police had evidently had since they found in Fleming's pocket on arresting him, Mayol and Koss said. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/08/1989-nyc-murder/7467337/ Thats just.....criminal. How the cops arent charged for something is beyond me. Yet OJ walked Those three words revealed your ignorance and stupidity. I hope you make your living doing nothing more than assembling simple non vital objects. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 9:37:35 AM EDT
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Damn. How much realistically will this net him in damages? Don't worry. It'll just take another 25 years for the settlement to go through. My take away? Save your damn hotel receipts. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 9:39:28 AM EDT
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Good point, the story just said they found it, not who kept it from the defense. So either the police or the prosecutors. ETA: Probably the prosecution, since it reappeared after their "review" of the evidence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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a review by prosecutors turned up a hotel receipt putting Fleming in Florida hours before the killing How in the actual fuck did this little tidbit only just now turn up? Did his attorney(s) get their degrees from Big Gay Al's Tire, Haircare, and Lawyering Superplex? Edit: Answered, police suppressed it. Awesome. Do you have a link to that? I couldn't find it in the original story. Good point, the story just said they found it, not who kept it from the defense. So either the police or the prosecutors. ETA: Probably the prosecution, since it reappeared after their "review" of the evidence. Why didn't it disappear early on? Are these guys like Nazis, just arrogant and determined to keep the evidence that will hang them. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 10:03:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup.........and yet we STILL have the fucking death penalty This is exactly why I'm against it. It takes basically no evidence to convict someone of murder. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 10:12:35 AM EDT
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Why didn't it disappear early on? Are these guys like Nazis, just arrogant and determined to keep the evidence that will hang them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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a review by prosecutors turned up a hotel receipt putting Fleming in Florida hours before the killing How in the actual fuck did this little tidbit only just now turn up? Did his attorney(s) get their degrees from Big Gay Al's Tire, Haircare, and Lawyering Superplex? Edit: Answered, police suppressed it. Awesome. Do you have a link to that? I couldn't find it in the original story. Good point, the story just said they found it, not who kept it from the defense. So either the police or the prosecutors. ETA: Probably the prosecution, since it reappeared after their "review" of the evidence. Why didn't it disappear early on? Are these guys like Nazis, just arrogant and determined to keep the evidence that will hang them. Most likely, it didn't "disappear." As Extorris said, probably overlooked, misplaced, misfiled, something like that. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 10:22:52 AM EDT
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Well I'll bet the one thing he didn't do when he got out was to go to Disney World....It did him no good last time.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 10:29:21 AM EDT
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Most likely, it didn't "disappear." As Extorris said, probably overlooked, misplaced, misfiled, something like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why didn't it disappear early on? Are these guys like Nazis, just arrogant and determined to keep the evidence that will hang them. Most likely, it didn't "disappear." As Extorris said, probably overlooked, misplaced, misfiled, something like that. Or the ADA intentionally misplaced it. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 10:31:01 AM EDT
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Or the ADA intentionally misplaced it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why didn't it disappear early on? Are these guys like Nazis, just arrogant and determined to keep the evidence that will hang them. Most likely, it didn't "disappear." As Extorris said, probably overlooked, misplaced, misfiled, something like that. Or the ADA intentionally misplaced it.  The deuce you say!
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Posted: 4/9/2014 10:35:00 AM EDT
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Take the money he hopefully receives and make the true justice "Biblical". God Damn those responsible, right to hell. Slowly. People responsible for such atrocities should never feel safe. Ever.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 11:00:07 AM EDT
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The gears of justice take 25 years to turn  That's about the same amount of time it takes to deal out a death penalty case. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 11:06:06 AM EDT
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Being in LE myself, that's a shitty story and it would appear that guy shouldn't have spent 25 years in prison. At very least the city needs to pay him a metric shit ton of money. No. An imperial shit ton of money. Metric system would shortchange him. And it is shit like this that caused me to reconsider my opinion on capital punishment. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 11:09:29 AM EDT
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"The eyewitness recanted her testimony soon after Fleming's 1990 conviction, saying she had lied so police would cut her loose for an unrelated arrest, but Fleming lost his appeals." He must've had a public defender. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 11:15:10 AM EDT
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Why didn't it disappear early on? Are these guys like Nazis, just arrogant and determined to keep the evidence that will hang them. Most likely, it didn't "disappear." As Extorris said, probably overlooked, misplaced, misfiled, something like that. Or the ADA intentionally misplaced it. The deuce you say!We all know how honest everyone at the various NYC DA's Offices are. 
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Posted: 4/9/2014 1:33:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even then, you're a fool if you trust the government. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cases like these are why I am against the death penalty. Death penalty should be reserved for open/shut solid cases. Multiple witnesses, cam footage, public homicides, caught the guy eating the corpse, etc. If there is ANY room for doubt, naaaaah. Even then, you're a fool if you trust the government. Yeah, not when evidence can be withheld or fabricated, or witnesses coerced. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 8:47:11 AM EDT
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Cases like these are why I am against the death penalty. Here's another. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1612395_Disgraced_former_NYPD_detective_s_past_homicide_cases_under_review.html&page=1&anc=46686133#i46686133 |
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Posted: 4/13/2014 6:20:57 AM EDT
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Those three words revealed your ignorance and stupidity. I hope you make your living doing nothing more than assembling simple non vital objects. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Police corruption. And prosecutors' review produced a hotel receipt that Fleming paid in Florida about five hours before the shooting — a document that police had evidently had since they found in Fleming's pocket on arresting him, Mayol and Koss said. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/08/1989-nyc-murder/7467337/ Thats just.....criminal. How the cops arent charged for something is beyond me. Yet OJ walked Those three words revealed your ignorance and stupidity. I hope you make your living doing nothing more than assembling simple non vital objects. I like the cut of your jib... 
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