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Posted: 11/20/2008 5:43:24 AM EDT
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So who is going to watch it. I'm not sure if I want to elevate my blood pressure that high. I don't think I could stand it. It's the start of a week of vacation for me this weekend and I don't want to ruin it with some anti BS. All it will do is piss me off. I'll probably spend the evening with the wife and little one chasing her around the house. Then I'll hit the reloading room once my daughter goes to bed. Time much better spent. Now if I could only get my wife to help with pulling brass from the tumbler and punching the media from the flash hole..... |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 5:43:59 AM EDT
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The ATF is working to keep us safe from gun violence? Actually they are (minus the guys at the technical branch). I know it goes against popular opinion here, but ATF agents spend most of their time making cases on criminals that are using firearms during the commision of crimes. Robbery suspects, gang members, B/E suspects were guns are stolen, etc QFT, portions of that organization may be counter-American, but much of the work they do is of practical benefit to all of us. I think overall, we'd be better off without them though. |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 5:47:03 AM EDT
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THIS is armed in america:
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Posted: 11/20/2008 5:48:12 AM EDT
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One good thing is that very few politically impartial people watch MSNBC to begin with. By itself it's not likely to sway opinions and change minds.
It's possible that it's just a "test run," though. If it were on the main NBC I'd be more concerned. |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 5:49:31 AM EDT
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Nothing like a news story about guns brought to you by a weather man.........
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Posted: 11/20/2008 5:51:04 AM EDT
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Will they spend much time talking about the failures in our criminal justice system that allows violent criminals to walk free, courtesy of soft judges, lax sentencing guidelines, incompetent prosecutors, and the ever-present "technicialities" that let assuredly guilty people go free because of a minor paperwork screwup that doesn't change their guilty status in the slightest?
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Posted: 11/20/2008 5:52:21 AM EDT
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Fucking EXACT same shit as the late 80's early 90's in prep for the AWB. FUCKERS. And 1 person dies every 13 minutes in car ACCIDENTS. Fuck them 100% this. PMSNBC is nothing but a propaganda outlet for The Chosen One. Expect blood to shoot out of your eyes if you dare watch that trash. |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 5:56:17 AM EDT
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Every 18 minutes, someone in America dies from gun violence
Gee, and Hillary said that a child died every second or so. Who is right? Every 18 minutes... that's 80 per day... 29 200 per year! That means that in a little over 28 years, ALL Americans would be dead! Someone check my math. Nope, more like 1,000 years. There's roughly 290,000,000 people in the U.S. last I checked. You're off a factor of ten. You're looking at over 10,000 years. There are over 300 million citizens in the US, and anywhere between 320 and 350 million people if you count the illegals, depending upon what source you trust. 3 x 10^8 / 3 x 10^4 = 1 x 10^(8-4) or 10,000 |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:04:08 AM EDT
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The ATF is working to keep us safe from gun violence? Actually they are (minus the guys at the technical branch). I know it goes against popular opinion here, but ATF agents spend most of their time making cases on criminals that are using firearms during the commision of crimes. Robbery suspects, gang members, B/E suspects where guns are stolen, etc As I posted in another thread on a similar subject, the consensus among the cops I know ––as opposed to that among the cops I don't know–– is that the ATF aren't worth the oxygen they consume. One good friend who was an entry team leader on the SWAT team of a medium sized southern city told me that the ATF tried to arrest two cops on his team for using department-issued short barrelled full auto M4s. The department had legally bought them from a C3 dealer, and put the short barrelled uppers on them. ATF came in and confiscated the weapons and had warrants for the two officers to whom the weapons had been issued. Exactly who does that protect, and from what? I'd rather be protected from the long, unchecked, unpunished history of ATF abuses than from a city SWAT team, thanks. |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:07:19 AM EDT
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Fucking EXACT same shit as the late 80's early 90's in prep for the AWB. FUCKERS. And 1 person dies every 13 minutes in car ACCIDENTS. Fuck them Yep, Identical. I remember one in particular where they were supposedly sending kids into LA gun shops and had them buy AK-47s and UZIs. Right before the import ban. |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:09:25 AM EDT
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I can't wait for this fair and evenly balanced reporting. It's sure to shine an unbiased light on the truth. Long has Al Roker and his ilk been the gate keepers of truth in reporting.
Sure to be a classic. (seriously, if you didn't get the sarcasm you need help) |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:27:55 AM EDT
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Sorry can't watch it. I'll be busy watch Jack Bauer instead.
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:30:50 AM EDT
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Get ready for the spin-off to this smash hit series, Disarmed In America.  now that sounds like a show! |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:32:04 AM EDT
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And so it begins.
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:37:30 AM EDT
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Nothing like a news story about guns brought to you by a weather man......... doesn't take a weatherman to show you which way the winds are blowing. |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:41:22 AM EDT
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I guess 20/20 will have to re-run John Stossel's "Myth: Gun Control Reduces Crime" show!
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:43:04 AM EDT
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The ATF is working to keep us safe from gun violence? Actually they are (minus the guys at the technical branch). I know it goes against popular opinion here, but ATF agents spend most of their time making cases on criminals that are using firearms during the commision of crimes. Robbery suspects, gang members, B/E suspects where guns are stolen, etc As I posted in another thread on a similar subject, the consensus among the cops I know ––as opposed to that among the cops I don't know–– is that the ATF aren't worth the oxygen they consume. One good friend who was an entry team leader on the SWAT team of a medium sized southern city told me that the ATF tried to arrest two cops on his team for using department-issued short barrelled full auto M4s. The department had legally bought them from a C3 dealer, and put the short barrelled uppers on them. ATF came in and confiscated the weapons and had warrants for the two officers to whom the weapons had been issued. Exactly who does that protect, and from what? I'd rather be protected from the long, unchecked, unpunished history of ATF abuses than from a city SWAT team, thanks.  You've got to be kidding... and yet, that level of idiocy sounds plausible
I fear for this country's future.
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:44:20 AM EDT
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Here we go... |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:45:36 AM EDT
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The ATF is working to keep us safe from gun violence? Actually they are (minus the guys at the technical branch). I know it goes against popular opinion here, but ATF agents spend most of their time making cases on criminals that are using firearms during the commision of crimes. Robbery suspects, gang members, B/E suspects where guns are stolen, etc +1, Finally an intelligent post on an ATF issue. |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:45:42 AM EDT
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The ATF is working to keep us safe from gun violence? Actually they are (minus the guys at the technical branch). I know it goes against popular opinion here, but ATF agents spend most of their time making cases on criminals that are using firearms during the commision of crimes. Robbery suspects, gang members, B/E suspects where guns are stolen, etc As I posted in another thread on a similar subject, the consensus among the cops I know ––as opposed to that among the cops I don't know–– is that the ATF aren't worth the oxygen they consume. One good friend who was an entry team leader on the SWAT team of a medium sized southern city told me that the ATF tried to arrest two cops on his team for using department-issued short barrelled full auto M4s. The department had legally bought them from a C3 dealer, and put the short barrelled uppers on them. ATF came in and confiscated the weapons and had warrants for the two officers to whom the weapons had been issued. Exactly who does that protect, and from what? I'd rather be protected from the long, unchecked, unpunished history of ATF abuses than from a city SWAT team, thanks. I don't know the specifcs of that incident, but it sounds odd. Anyways,my view comes from having 2 ATF agents attached to my unit and working with them almost daily. I think you'll find officers that work with agents have a different view than those that don't work with them. In fact, the ATF agents are one of the primary reasons we are able to get a greater number of cases in federal court than patrol. |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:47:07 AM EDT
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MSNBC In "Armed in America" Al Roker goes behind the scenes, teaming up with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, or ATF, to find out how this federal agency is working to eliminate gun crimes in the United States. Roker discovers how firearms wind up in the wrong hands, how ATF forensic specialists match bullets to guns, and the influential role firearms plays in drug trafficking and gang violence. http://realitytvwebsite.com/RealityTVNews/MSNBC-Premieres-AL-ROKER-REPORTING-ARMED-IN-AMERICA-November-23-At-10-PM.html The part in blue says it all . |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:50:18 AM EDT
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Lets see if I can give the cliff notes before it is aired. 1)Pistol griped long guns make it easy to spray and pray 2)Bullets fired by guns with pistol grips can penetrate tank armor 3)Hollow points are dumb-dumb bullets and have no sporting purposes but to kill people 4)Gun owners don't do a good job of locking guns up 5)Guns need to be registered and every bullet should be accounted for 6)We should be limited to the amount of guns and ammo we have 7)Police are worried that they are over gunned 8)Gun owners are mostly overweight slack jawed HS dropout yokels 9)No gun show is complete without Nazi douchebag memorabilia |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:52:28 AM EDT
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hack job
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:57:14 AM EDT
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Every 18 minutes? That implies that there are 30,000 murders in the US every year. In all reality, there are 30,000 deaths by guns in the US every year.
What they are not telling you is that more than 70% of those deaths are suicides. That's 21,000 suicides, and 9,000 homicides. Of the 9,000 homicides, there is a large percentage of them that are legally committed in self defense. About 2,000 to 3,000. That means there are only about 6,000 murders in the US every year that are committed with a gun. That's 16 murders a day. That means you are 3 times more likely to die of the flu, or 7 times more likely to die in a car wreck, then you are of being murdered with a gun. You think they will tell anyone that info? How do I know this? I just researched it for a project in college. 
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Posted: 11/20/2008 7:57:59 AM EDT
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Will they show how guns actually protect innocent people from crimes? No 5sub |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 8:00:04 AM EDT
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Boycott of any adversiser that airs a commercial during that program, along with letters explaining why. Someone start a list.
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Posted: 11/20/2008 8:04:10 AM EDT
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I aint watching it.. It's just going to create more FUD!
And plus Jack is back that night!!! 2 hours!! |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 8:18:50 AM EDT
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JOHN STOSSEL Reports!!!! He follows Al Roker with BATFE agents to cover the bullshit reporting and prearranged situations NBC wants to air as actual events to sway public opinion and allow the government to circumvent the U.S.Contitution with ignorant public support. "It's for the children!" Tonight on 20/20 |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 8:28:26 AM EDT
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Won't watch it. I already know how it will go.
1. A pistol grip to make firing from the hip easier. 2. High-capicity "clips" 3. "...allows the mounting of high power scopes. The same type used by sniper in Iraq." 4. .50 caliber bullets capable of shooting down airplanes. 5. The shoulder thing that goes up. 6. Bullets designed to defeat the type of body armor worn by police. 7. Ahhhh! Virginia Tech! |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 8:37:39 AM EDT
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Of the 9,000 homicides, there is a large percentage of them that are legally committed in self defense. About 2,000 to 3,000. How do I know this? I just researched it for a project in college. Please provide a source for this, it is a very powerful stat. |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 8:42:09 AM EDT
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Yep......hit piece to win sympathy from the sheeple for the gun grab they want so badly
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And so it begins........... |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 8:45:12 AM EDT
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Deje Vu to '93-94 with all the news media trying to whip up support for the AWB ban. Hey - they whipped up support for the president they wanted with biased, one-sided coverage (and everyone saw it clearly this time). Why wouldn't the mainstream press advocate for the legislative platform they favor? No surprise at all. Sad - but not surprising.
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Posted: 11/20/2008 8:45:29 AM EDT
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Why is a weatherman doing a piece of crime and guns?
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Posted: 11/20/2008 8:49:05 AM EDT
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And so the ground-laying propaganda begins.....
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Posted: 11/20/2008 8:50:44 AM EDT
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Its hard to take an Entertainment News Weatherman seriously in anything but entertainment or weather.
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Posted: 11/20/2008 8:51:54 AM EDT
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Every 18 minutes? That implies that there are 30,000 murders in the US every year. In all reality, there are 30,000 deaths by guns in the US every year. What they are not telling you is that more than 70% of those deaths are suicides. That's 21,000 suicides, and 9,000 homicides. Of the 9,000 homicides, there is a large percentage of them that are legally committed in self defense. About 2,000 to 3,000. That means there are only about 6,000 murders in the US every year that are committed with a gun. That's 16 murders a day. That means you are 3 times more likely to die of the flu, or 7 times more likely to die in a car wreck, then you are of being murdered with a gun. You think they will tell anyone that info? How do I know this? I just researched it for a project in college. There are 32,000 suicides in Japan annually, to put that in to perspective. |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 8:53:42 AM EDT
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So do you think they will mention the CCW poll they had on MSNBC? Currently at 23K+ votes and 79% wanting to be able to carry a weapon.
It's not a scientific poll, but this doesn't sound like it will be a scientific show either. |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 8:53:44 AM EDT
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Nothing like a news story about guns brought to you by a weather man......... I think its fitting ,considering the storm that is comming.
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Posted: 11/20/2008 8:54:01 AM EDT
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This outta be good.
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Posted: 11/20/2008 8:56:38 AM EDT
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I aint watching it.. It's just going to create more FUD! And plus Jack is back that night!!! 2 hours !!! 
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Posted: 11/20/2008 8:58:39 AM EDT
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Will they show how guns actually protect innocent people from crimes?  
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Posted: 11/20/2008 9:00:38 AM EDT
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Ahhh, just like old times. Boy Wonder all over again.
The media shills smell blood. They will push a new AWB, in concert with Congressional tools like Shumer, Feinstien, Boxer, Pelosi, Waxman and others, and it'll be called a "popular bill" every evening on the MSM nightly news until it passes and is signed by The One. A cheap "victory" for liberal social engineers. 1994 all over again....only worse. |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 9:01:45 AM EDT
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Since nearly twice as many homicides are committed with knives and clubs, I wonder when ABC will do their follow up reports about how easy it is to acquire those deadly weapons at Walmart?
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Posted: 11/20/2008 9:03:23 AM EDT
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"....and now for the gun violence in your neck of the woods..."
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Posted: 11/20/2008 9:04:12 AM EDT
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Lets see if I can give the cliff notes before it is aired. 1)Pistol griped long guns make it easy to spray and pray 2)Bullets fired by guns with pistol grips can penetrate tank armor 3)Hollow points are dumb-dumb bullets and have no sporting purposes but to kill people 4)Gun owners don't do a good job of locking guns up 5)Guns need to be registered and every bullet should be accounted for 6)We should be limited to the amount of guns and ammo we have 7)Police are worried that they are over gunned No, this sounds like a whole different approach. 1. Guns are too easily available in America 2. High powered rifles like AK-47s head straight for crime infested areas 3. "Good kids" like teenage drug dealers and gangstas kill each other on the streets 4. Gun shows make it easy for guns to fall into the wrong hands 5. The BATFE is so overwhelmed that they barely have time to frame veterans for "building machine guns" 6. The police can't trace guns recovered from crimes back to their source 7. Innocent bystanders caught up in gang violence 8. An AK-47 only costs $20 on the street and is available on every other corner 9. "We as police and law enforcement just can't get ahead of the curve, it's war out here!" |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 9:04:27 AM EDT
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this oughtta be good
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Posted: 11/20/2008 9:08:48 AM EDT
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Next time any of you think about waiting or putting off writing your representatives, remember this program, and imagin the scores of letters, phone calls, and emails it will generate from people who want their representatives to sign it.
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Posted: 11/20/2008 9:09:43 AM EDT
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Every 18 minutes, someone in America dies from gun violence
Gee, and Hillary said that a child died every second or so. Who is right? Every 18 minutes... that's 80 per day... 29 200 per year! That means that in a little over 28 years, ALL Americans would be dead! Someone check my math. Nope, more like 1,000 years. There's roughly 290,000,000 people in the U.S. last I checked. You want to take another stab at that one? 290,000,000 / 29,200 = 9,931.50685 So at this rate we'll all be dead in 10,000 years! |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 9:12:02 AM EDT
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I'll be watching 24: Redemption instead.
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Posted: 11/20/2008 9:27:53 AM EDT
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QFT
Every 18 minutes? That implies that there are 30,000 murders in the US every year. In all reality, there are 30,000 deaths by guns in the US every year. What they are not telling you is that more than 70% of those deaths are suicides. That's 21,000 suicides, and 9,000 homicides. Of the 9,000 homicides, there is a large percentage of them that are legally committed in self defense. About 2,000 to 3,000. That means there are only about 6,000 murders in the US every year that are committed with a gun. That's 16 murders a day. That means you are 3 times more likely to die of the flu, or 7 times more likely to die in a car wreck, then you are of being murdered with a gun. You think they will tell anyone that info? How do I know this? I just researched it for a project in college. |
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