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Posted: 9/27/2016 4:18:24 PM EDT
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So they basically told you to pay special attention to pre-2013 correspondence.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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DOJ keeps asking to create search terms for them. Oh, and they are trying to limit the search to 2013 and after. Lol. No. More likely that 2013 and up is in a searchable database already hence the search term request. They are trying to limit what he could find by making him limit it. It's easy to get the right answer provided you know what the questions should be. 42 |
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Posted: 9/28/2016 12:42:32 PM EDT
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The DOJ hires liberal lawyers . There was an article in the last couple of years about how the DOJ hires . The DOJ hires with an agenda .
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Posted: 9/28/2016 12:45:56 PM EDT
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The DOJ hires liberal lawyers . There was an article in the last couple of years about how the DOJ hires . The DOJ hires with an agenda . Justice means "social justice" now. |
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Posted: 9/29/2016 7:06:37 PM EDT
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Still nothing?
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Posted: 9/29/2016 7:09:34 PM EDT
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my body is ready
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Posted: 10/6/2016 6:17:03 AM EDT
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Bump for the bump.
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Posted: 10/6/2016 2:13:28 PM EDT
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I guess they are going to do nothing and wait for the lawsuit. Then do more nothing.
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Posted: 10/6/2016 4:48:18 PM EDT
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What was their generic answer
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Posted: 10/10/2016 10:29:39 AM EDT
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What was their generic answer http://www.sdslaw.us/single-post/2016/10/10/ATF-answers-complaint-in-NFATCA-FOIA-case here. |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 11:47:16 AM EDT
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I heard that NFATCA has an open meeting to the public the Thursday before the knob creek shoot in October. If anyone can attend it would be interesting to hear what they have to say. Any idea where the meeting is? https://imgur.com/VwHdpyB Is anyone planning on going to this open meeting? Would be interesting to here if they bring this up. |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 11:56:29 AM EDT
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Looks like stalling to me .
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Posted: 10/10/2016 11:59:31 AM EDT
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Is anyone planning on going to this open meeting? Would be interesting to here if they bring this up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I heard that NFATCA has an open meeting to the public the Thursday before the knob creek shoot in October. If anyone can attend it would be interesting to hear what they have to say. Any idea where the meeting is? https://imgur.com/VwHdpyB Is anyone planning on going to this open meeting? Would be interesting to here if they bring this up. Im going to try and be there in time for the meeting. |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 12:03:16 PM EDT
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Nolo, off your website:
They've proposed 5 (yes, FIVE) dates for production. Can there really be that many records? I'm no lawyer, not up on FOIA and generally terminally stupid--why is five days such a surprise? I guess I don't understand the context of the word "production" here. |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 2:23:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nolo, off your website: I'm no lawyer, not up on FOIA and generally terminally stupid--why is five days such a surprise? I guess I don't understand the context of the word "production" here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Nolo, off your website: They've proposed 5 (yes, FIVE) dates for production. Can there really be that many records? I'm no lawyer, not up on FOIA and generally terminally stupid--why is five days such a surprise? I guess I don't understand the context of the word "production" here. They are saying that it will be so onerous or so much work to make the information requested available that they need 5 different days to do it. "Production" as in "produce the requested information." Which seems ridiculous. |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 8:57:52 PM EDT
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They are saying that it will be so onerous or so much work to make the information requested available that they need 5 different days to do it. "Production" as in "produce the requested information." Which seems ridiculous. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nolo, off your website: They've proposed 5 (yes, FIVE) dates for production. Can there really be that many records? I'm no lawyer, not up on FOIA and generally terminally stupid--why is five days such a surprise? I guess I don't understand the context of the word "production" here. They are saying that it will be so onerous or so much work to make the information requested available that they need 5 different days to do it. "Production" as in "produce the requested information." Which seems ridiculous. Must be a lot of stuff. Can't wait to get it. |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 9:05:41 PM EDT
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Must be a lot of stuff. Can't wait to get it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nolo, off your website: They've proposed 5 (yes, FIVE) dates for production. Can there really be that many records? I'm no lawyer, not up on FOIA and generally terminally stupid--why is five days such a surprise? I guess I don't understand the context of the word "production" here. They are saying that it will be so onerous or so much work to make the information requested available that they need 5 different days to do it. "Production" as in "produce the requested information." Which seems ridiculous. Must be a lot of stuff. Can't wait to get it. I'm waiting to see how much is either redacted or missing to protect a CI. |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 9:34:50 PM EDT
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I'm waiting to see how much is either redacted or missing to protect a CI. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nolo, off your website: They've proposed 5 (yes, FIVE) dates for production. Can there really be that many records? I'm no lawyer, not up on FOIA and generally terminally stupid--why is five days such a surprise? I guess I don't understand the context of the word "production" here. They are saying that it will be so onerous or so much work to make the information requested available that they need 5 different days to do it. "Production" as in "produce the requested information." Which seems ridiculous. Must be a lot of stuff. Can't wait to get it. I'm waiting to see how much is either redacted or missing to protect a CI. Only one way to find out!!!! |
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Posted: 10/11/2016 5:14:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/11/2016 5:49:02 PM EDT
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They are saying that it will be so onerous or so much work to make the information requested available that they need 5 different days to do it. "Production" as in "produce the requested information." Which seems ridiculous. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nolo, off your website: They've proposed 5 (yes, FIVE) dates for production. Can there really be that many records? I'm no lawyer, not up on FOIA and generally terminally stupid--why is five days such a surprise? I guess I don't understand the context of the word "production" here. They are saying that it will be so onerous or so much work to make the information requested available that they need 5 different days to do it. "Production" as in "produce the requested information." Which seems ridiculous. So, produce as in "hand box of files to FOIA requester"? When my kids were two, they came up with better lines than that. 
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Posted: 10/11/2016 6:01:50 PM EDT
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I'm waiting to see how much is either redacted or missing to protect a CI. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nolo, off your website: They've proposed 5 (yes, FIVE) dates for production. Can there really be that many records? I'm no lawyer, not up on FOIA and generally terminally stupid--why is five days such a surprise? I guess I don't understand the context of the word "production" here. They are saying that it will be so onerous or so much work to make the information requested available that they need 5 different days to do it. "Production" as in "produce the requested information." Which seems ridiculous. Must be a lot of stuff. Can't wait to get it. I'm waiting to see how much is either redacted or missing to protect a CI. Not even a CI. DOS vetted FOIA requests with the Clinton Foundation. http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/11/wikileaks-state-dept-coordinated-email-release-with-clinton-campaign/ I'll wager ATF will vet these with the shitbags at NFATCA and there will be collusion to obscure the truth. |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 9:51:27 PM EDT
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Court ordered the following production schedule:
? Friday, November 18, 2016 – first production deadline; ? Monday, December 19, 2016 – second production deadline; ? Wednesday, January 18, 2017 – third production deadline; ? Friday, February 17, 2017 – fourth production deadline; and ? Monday, March 20, 2017 – fifth and final production deadline 
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Posted: 10/22/2016 10:55:27 PM EDT
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Mg neckbeard palms just got sweatier.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 10:17:48 AM EDT
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Mg neckbeard palms just got sweatier. We can only hope. Probably some people doing some name changes as we speak. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 12:39:27 PM EDT
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Court ordered the following production schedule: ? Friday, November 18, 2016 – first production deadline; ? Monday, December 19, 2016 – second production deadline; ? Wednesday, January 18, 2017 – third production deadline; ? Friday, February 17, 2017 – fourth production deadline; and ? Monday, March 20, 2017 – fifth and final production deadline
Does this mean they should provide 20% of the material at the five dates or that they get to blow you off 4 times then do a major dump of redacted material on you and say that's it? |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:32:13 PM EDT
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Does this mean they should provide 20% of the material at the five dates or that they get to blow you off 4 times then do a major dump of redacted material on you and say that's it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Court ordered the following production schedule: ? Friday, November 18, 2016 – first production deadline; ? Monday, December 19, 2016 – second production deadline; ? Wednesday, January 18, 2017 – third production deadline; ? Friday, February 17, 2017 – fourth production deadline; and ? Monday, March 20, 2017 – fifth and final production deadline
Does this mean they should provide 20% of the material at the five dates or that they get to blow you off 4 times then do a major dump of redacted material on you and say that's it? Up to them really. No set number of docs per drop. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:39:16 PM EDT
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so,in laymans terms?
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Posted: 10/23/2016 9:30:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so,in laymans terms? ATF is blowing it off until after the election, then stretching out the timeframe in which they must release the documents requested under the FOIA with a final disposition date over year after the documents were initially requested. |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 9:25:49 AM EDT
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ATF is blowing it off until after the election, then stretching out the timeframe in which they must release the documents requested under the FOIA with a final disposition date over year after the documents were initially requested. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so,in laymans terms? ATF is blowing it off until after the election, then stretching out the timeframe in which they must release the documents requested under the FOIA with a final disposition date over year after the documents were initially requested. Although, it may be because: 1. they're going to print out the whole slew, to ensure it's non-searchable. 2. there's so many documents, it will literally take that long. 3. they're busy trying to ensure that they'll get charged with whatever wrongdoing they're guilty of by the current administration, and get a midnight pardon. |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:23:21 AM EDT
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Were they looking for this?
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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:30:29 AM EDT
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Although, it may be because: 1. they're going to print out the whole slew, to ensure it's non-searchable. 2. there's so many documents, it will literally take that long. 3. they're busy trying to ensure that they'll get charged with whatever wrongdoing they're guilty of by the current administration, and get a midnight pardon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so,in laymans terms? ATF is blowing it off until after the election, then stretching out the timeframe in which they must release the documents requested under the FOIA with a final disposition date over year after the documents were initially requested. Although, it may be because: 1. they're going to print out the whole slew, to ensure it's non-searchable. 2. there's so many documents, it will literally take that long. 3. they're busy trying to ensure that they'll get charged with whatever wrongdoing they're guilty of by the current administration, and get a midnight pardon. Meh. I have high speed scanners and can ocr whatever they send. |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 5:15:16 PM EDT
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Although, it may be because: 1. they're going to print out the whole slew, to ensure it's non-searchable. 2. there's so many documents, it will literally take that long. 3. they're busy trying to ensure that they'll get charged with whatever wrongdoing they're guilty of by the current administration, and get a midnight pardon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so,in laymans terms? ATF is blowing it off until after the election, then stretching out the timeframe in which they must release the documents requested under the FOIA with a final disposition date over year after the documents were initially requested. Although, it may be because: 1. they're going to print out the whole slew, to ensure it's non-searchable. 2. there's so many documents, it will literally take that long. 3. they're busy trying to ensure that they'll get charged with whatever wrongdoing they're guilty of by the current administration, and get a midnight pardon. Taking the effort to bust out that blue and white mimeograph machine and make a few generations of copies takes time. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 6:19:03 PM EDT
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http://www.sdslaw.us/single-post/2016/10/28/Today-we-filed-a-Response-and-Cross-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment-in-an-OIG-FOIA-dealing-with-NFA-issues
Different case, but still has some nfatca flavorings. This is for the NFRTR audit work papers. Nfatca is referenced in them. |
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Posted: 11/17/2016 9:28:50 PM EDT
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This is an anti archive bump. I will get some docs either tomorrow or a few days after
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Posted: 11/17/2016 9:49:40 PM EDT
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This is an anti archive bump. I will get some docs either tomorrow or a few days after WHEEEEE!!!! Hope it goes well! |
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Posted: 11/17/2016 10:05:43 PM EDT
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This is an anti archive bump. I will get some docs either tomorrow or a few days after WINNING |
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Posted: 11/17/2016 10:10:45 PM EDT
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This is an anti archive bump. I will get some docs either tomorrow or a few days after you do the best safe threads |
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Posted: 11/18/2016 11:41:45 AM EDT
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good luck.
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Posted: 11/18/2016 11:46:42 AM EDT
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OST, hopefully we get some good reading material soon.
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Posted: 11/18/2016 8:59:56 PM EDT
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No filing and no docs yet. They usually mail them hard copy, so I'll probably have something by next week. And then monthly for a bit.
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Posted: 11/22/2016 12:15:31 PM EDT
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Dear Nolo C., We're sorry for the delay, but due to unforeseen circumstances, we will be out of the office until 1/2/2017 We totally missed the fact that there were 3 federal holidays so close together, and so many had vacation time with family already planned. By being late JUST ONE DAY! it has totally messed with that damn schedule that judge pinned us to. As soon as we can get back in the office , reminisce about the good times, and get everything back in motion again, we expect to have this ready for you February 2017, at the latest. Your friends, The BATFE. P.S. barring any further complications. |
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Posted: 11/22/2016 4:14:33 PM EDT
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hold on boys and girls. the documents are here. OCRing the docs now..
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Posted: 11/22/2016 4:20:25 PM EDT
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hold on boys and girls. the documents are here. OCRing the docs now.. 
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Posted: 11/22/2016 4:28:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/22/2016 4:34:14 PM EDT
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In for the fun.
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Posted: 11/22/2016 4:36:12 PM EDT
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Well this should be interesting.
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Posted: 11/22/2016 4:38:24 PM EDT
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Caint wait
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Posted: 11/22/2016 4:38:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/22/2016 4:41:00 PM EDT
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hold on boys and girls. the documents are here. OCRing the docs now.. It's like Christmas in November! 
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Posted: 11/22/2016 4:49:44 PM EDT
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when they declare pages exempt because they are "non-responsive", what does that mean?
They have exempted lots of pages. 
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Posted: 11/22/2016 5:05:14 PM EDT
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Why is The NFATCA asking the ATF to redact information in their response letters? or did I read that wrong?
"Since there are no regulations concerning this issue I am asking, on behalf of the NF A TC A, for a response from the Bureau on what the status is on ownership of any type of 40mm round and what the specific status is on pocessing tracer ammunition. I will be publishing this information for our membership through our web site. If at all possible you can redact the information in your response to the .......... letter and let us know how to proceed. A TF has published a lot of opinion letters on both issues but the NF A TCA has nothing to go on that could be shared with the rest of the industry. This entire letter debacle with ........makes me very angry. This tells me that letters of opinion are being sent to certain personnel and that industry has no access to that data. In short, I need your help." |
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