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If that were to happen, just think about the number of Arfcom members relocating to that area? Let's take the 5th Circuit (because Nolo is a Mississippi lawyer, not because that is where any of the cases as necessarily being filed). Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals includes: Eastern District of Louisiana Middle District of Louisiana Western District of Louisiana Northern District of Mississippi Southern District of Mississippi Eastern District of Texas Northern District of Texas Southern District of Texas Western District of Texas So, in other words, Texas wins again. Looks like most of the West Florida Republic. So I am good. As much as I love Tennessee, I am kin (through paternal grandmother's family) to Davy Crockett. I suppose the Texans might grow to tolerate, if not accept, me into their Republic state. |
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Just bumping the most important thread in the last 28y. Why can't we get this pinned at the top of GD again? NorCal? Admin? Anyone?
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Honestly, "re-bumped" threads tend to get more notice than tacked ones.
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Yep. Might be good if they could flip the switch from keeping it out of the archives, although I doubt this thread is at risk of being archived anytime soon. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Honestly, "re-bumped" threads tend to get more notice than tacked ones. Yep. Might be good if they could flip the switch from keeping it out of the archives, although I doubt this thread is at risk of being archived anytime soon. Prolly not. Especially if things go live soon. Any updates, Nolo? |
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Quoted: Only Wiki entry on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_case_law_in_the_United_States#cite_note-8 Dissenting opinion on the interpretation of the above ruling: http://www.pagunblog.com/2012/09/13/united-states-v-rock-island-armory-not-a-loophole-in-nfa/ More importantly there was a subsequent case in a different district, US vs. Dalton (4th circuit) that used the exact same argument for their defense. They did not reference US vs. Rock Island Armory, but they did use the exact same defense. The result of that subsequent case was conviction. Then in 1993 there was a 3rd case, US vs Ross. In the Ross case they specifically reference the Rock Island Armory case AND use the same defensive strategy. The prosecution referenced Dalton, said that it has been ruled on two ways, and he himself convicted Ross. So this strategy has been used 3 times, in 3 different courts, and only Rock Island managed to win. I think that the way I read Rock Island they won on constitutional basis (NOT the way the dissenting opinion above describes), but the fact the same strategy was used subsequently twice and both of those failed, I'm not sure if that's a good strategy to go with since there is more case law going against you than with you. . ETA: Stewart vs. US was reversed in 2006 upon direction of the Supreme Court View Quote I read through those websites and it brought some questions to mind: Now that we know the 2A is a fundamental right of the People:
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I'm in for $87 now, and more later. I have NFA toys that will, god willing, loose value if this works, and I'm more than fine with that. The people that are shaking in their boots because they have a couple belt-feds that will go from $50k guns to $5k guns disgust me.
Even if it doesn't work, it beats the hell out of sitting around like a whore hoping the pimp (BATFE) is nice to us if we don't talk back. Also, fuck the tools that think Nolo is too young, too inexperienced, or greedy. Only someone completely ignorant of the legal profession could think that Nolo is going to get rich on this one. Hopefully he'll get famous in the process, which will certainly help his long term career prospects, but he's probably going to wind up working this one at $30/hr. |
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I'm in for $87 now, and more later. I have NFA toys that will, god willing, loose value if this works, and I'm more than fine with that. The people that are shaking in their boots because they have a couple belt-feds that will go from $50k guns to $5k guns disgust me. Even if it doesn't work, it beats the hell out of sitting around like a whore hoping the pimp (BATFE) is nice to us if we don't talk back. Also, fuck the tools that think Nolo is too young, too inexperienced, or greedy. Only someone completely ignorant of the legal profession could think that Nolo is going to get rich on this one. Hopefully he'll get famous in the process, which will certainly help his long term career prospects, but he's probably going to wind up working this one at $30/hr. View Quote I know he has been working it for free in his mind for years. |
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(Morgan Freeman voice): " I remember the first time I laid eyes on Nolo. Buying some reloading components off the EE."
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Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals includes: Eastern District of Louisiana Middle District of Louisiana Western District of Louisiana Northern District of Mississippi Southern District of Mississippi Eastern District of Texas Northern District of Texas Southern District of Texas Western District of Texas So, in other words, Texas wins again. [img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_big. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- go texas! |
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I'm in for $87 now, and more later. I have NFA toys that will, god willing, loose value if this works, and I'm more than fine with that. The people that are shaking in their boots because they have a couple belt-feds that will go from $50k guns to $5k guns disgust me. Even if it doesn't work, it beats the hell out of sitting around like a whore hoping the pimp (BATFE) is nice to us if we don't talk back. Also, fuck the tools that think Nolo is too young, too inexperienced, or greedy. Only someone completely ignorant of the legal profession could think that Nolo is going to get rich on this one. Hopefully he'll get famous in the process, which will certainly help his long term career prospects, but he's probably going to wind up working this one at $30/hr. View Quote And not a single fuck will be given for them or their loss... You and them could just sell your Machine guns now, and if nothing happens just buy them back with the money you made plus the difference.. I have never met any machine gun owner that wants the Hughes amendment to stay, but I am sure they exist..Sadly I know for fact they exist and their hive of scum and villainy is name subguns.com. |
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I emailed the lawyer taking care of this asking what his thoughts on the law prohibiting a "person" from possession any MG made after '86. He didn't email me back. Even tho the Trust is legally able to MFG the MG, it would still be illegal for the grantor/Trustee to take possess of it.
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I emailed the lawyer taking care of this asking what his thoughts on the law prohibiting a "person" from possession any MG made after '86. He didn't email me back. Even tho the Trust is legally able to MFG the MG, it would still be illegal for the grantor/Trustee to take possess of it. View Quote No |
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Honestly, "re-bumped" threads tend to get more notice than tacked ones. Yep. Might be good if they could flip the switch from keeping it out of the archives, although I doubt this thread is at risk of being archived anytime soon. Prolly not. Especially if things go live soon. Any updates, Nolo? It won't go into the archives. For obvious reasons, I can't go into a whole bunch of detail here. But just hang tight and trust me. |
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I emailed the lawyer taking care of this asking what his thoughts on the law prohibiting a "person" from possession any MG made after '86. He didn't email me back. Even tho the Trust is legally able to MFG the MG, it would still be illegal for the grantor/Trustee to take possess of it. View Quote You emailed me? |
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I emailed the lawyer taking care of this asking what his thoughts on the law prohibiting a "person" from possession any MG made after '86. He didn't email me back. Even tho the Trust is legally able to MFG the MG, it would still be illegal for the grantor/Trustee to take possess of it. View Quote A trust is a legal entity. The people of the trust function as part of that entity, not as people. |
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I emailed the lawyer taking care of this asking what his thoughts on the law prohibiting a "person" from possession any MG made after '86. He didn't email me back. Even tho the Trust is legally able to MFG the MG, it would still be illegal for the grantor/Trustee to take possess of it. A trust is a legal entity. The people of the trust function as part of that entity, not as people. If thats the case, why does the owner of the stamp have to return it? Hes not in violation of anything. Did the form 1 come back with a reason for the denial? Edit: I'm about to hit you guys with some riddles! So how would this play out for Trusts? Its illegal to transfer the MG to the beneficiary. Trust have beneficiaries.... How would current law come into play with Trust's beneficiary when the Grantor/Trustee die? |
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I emailed the lawyer taking care of this asking what his thoughts on the law prohibiting a "person" from possession any MG made after '86. He didn't email me back. Even tho the Trust is legally able to MFG the MG, it would still be illegal for the grantor/Trustee to take possess of it. A trust is a legal entity. The people of the trust function as part of that entity, not as people. If thats the case, why does the owner of the stamp have to return it? Hes not in violation of anything. Did the form 1 come back with a reason for the denial? Because the legality of a trust manufacturing a machine gun hasn't been hashed out yet. That's kind of how this whole thing started. |
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I emailed the lawyer taking care of this asking what his thoughts on the law prohibiting a "person" from possession any MG made after '86. He didn't email me back. Even tho the Trust is legally able to MFG the MG, it would still be illegal for the grantor/Trustee to take possess of it. A trust is a legal entity. The people of the trust function as part of that entity, not as people. If thats the case, why does the owner of the stamp have to return it? Hes not in violation of anything. Did the form 1 come back with a reason for the denial? Because the legality of a trust manufacturing a machine gun hasn't been hashed out yet. That's kind of how this whole thing started. I understand. I tried to read up Trust's law and try to find a correction but I couldn't. I don't see how this isn't getting headlines or even noticed from big 2nd amendment right groups. I'm really surprised NRA didn't say anything nor NOIR when I messaged him a couple times. |
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I understand. I tried to read up Trust's law and try to find a correction but I couldn't. I don't see how this isn't getting headlines or even noticed from big 2nd amendment right groups. I'm really surprised NRA didn't say anything nor NOIR when I messaged him a couple times. View Quote Because it's a long shot. The big groups don't like being associated with long shots, only sure things. So if this becomes a sure thing, they might get involved. Until then, it's unlikely that they will. Heller v. DC was the same way. |
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And not a single fuck will be given for them or their loss... You and them could just sell your Machine guns now, and if nothing happens just buy them back with the money you made plus the difference.. I have never met any machine gun owner that wants the Hughes amendment to stay, but I am sure they exist..Sadly I know for fact they exist and their hive of scum and villainy is name subguns.com. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm in for $87 now, and more later. I have NFA toys that will, god willing, loose value if this works, and I'm more than fine with that. The people that are shaking in their boots because they have a couple belt-feds that will go from $50k guns to $5k guns disgust me. Even if it doesn't work, it beats the hell out of sitting around like a whore hoping the pimp (BATFE) is nice to us if we don't talk back. Also, fuck the tools that think Nolo is too young, too inexperienced, or greedy. Only someone completely ignorant of the legal profession could think that Nolo is going to get rich on this one. Hopefully he'll get famous in the process, which will certainly help his long term career prospects, but he's probably going to wind up working this one at $30/hr. And not a single fuck will be given for them or their loss... You and them could just sell your Machine guns now, and if nothing happens just buy them back with the money you made plus the difference.. I have never met any machine gun owner that wants the Hughes amendment to stay, but I am sure they exist..Sadly I know for fact they exist and their hive of scum and villainy is name subguns.com. I'm not one of the people with $50k beltfeds sitting around, otherwise I might be selling. My pimp and ho analogy seems especially apt for subguns.com |
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HORY SHET! This thread is in page 3! That many people posting in GD?
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Its check out time for me.
I will not post anything else in this thread. My parting shots......... Its very foolish to go half assed in such a lawsuit. A case like this will require the best and brightest legal team. You are foolish to think that it can be done for less than millions of dollars. The small fund will be depleated quickly. Lack of experience will raise its ugly head. Corners will be cut and serious mistakes will be made. The consequences of legal losses could be severe. Many outside this thread occasionally stop in for a peak at the thread and its not good what they think. Attorneys, nfa guys, and general firearm enthusiast are thinking what a mess. I am OUT! |
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Its check out time for me. I will not post anything else in this thread. My parting shots......... Its very foolish to go half assed in such a lawsuit. A case like this will require the best and brightest legal team. You are foolish to think that it can be done for less than millions of dollars. The small fund will be depleated quickly. Lack of experience will raise its ugly head. Corners will be cut and serious mistakes will be made. The consequences of legal losses could be severe. Many outside this thread occasionally stop in for a peak at the thread and its not good what they think. Attorneys, nfa guys, and general firearm enthusiast are thinking what a mess. I am OUT! View Quote How can you be OUT when you were never IN to begin with? "Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” ? Samuel Adams. |
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I emailed the lawyer taking care of this asking what his thoughts on the law prohibiting a "person" from possession any MG made after '86. He didn't email me back. Even tho the Trust is legally able to MFG the MG, it would still be illegal for the grantor/Trustee to take possess of it. View Quote No. Just shut up. |
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Its check out time for me. I will not post anything else in this thread. My parting shots......... Its very foolish to go half assed in such a lawsuit. A case like this will require the best and brightest legal team. You are foolish to think that it can be done for less than millions of dollars. The small fund will be depleated quickly. Lack of experience will raise its ugly head. Corners will be cut and serious mistakes will be made. The consequences of legal losses could be severe. Many outside this thread occasionally stop in for a peak at the thread and its not good what they think. Attorneys, nfa guys, and general firearm enthusiast are thinking what a mess. I am OUT! View Quote What could the "consequences" be? Please go back under your rock. Also; spell check works pretty well on this site. Go back to buying FNC sears on the stupid assumption (despite many letters to the contrary & advice from countless people that it wasn't legal) that you could use them in a SCAR. You're a speculator, and a really, really stupid one at that. Hope you go to bed skeered every night that your "investments" lose value. |
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What could the "consequences" be? Please go back under your rock. Also; spell check works pretty well on this site. Go back to buying FNC sears on the stupid assumption (despite many letters to the contrary & advice from countless people that it wasn't legal) that you could use them in a SCAR. You're a speculator, and a really, really stupid one at that. Hope you go to bed skeered every night that your "investments" lose value. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Its check out time for me. I will not post anything else in this thread. My parting shots......... Its very foolish to go half assed in such a lawsuit. A case like this will require the best and brightest legal team. You are foolish to think that it can be done for less than millions of dollars. The small fund will be depleated quickly. Lack of experience will raise its ugly head. Corners will be cut and serious mistakes will be made. The consequences of legal losses could be severe. Many outside this thread occasionally stop in for a peak at the thread and its not good what they think. Attorneys, nfa guys, and general firearm enthusiast are thinking what a mess. I am OUT! What could the "consequences" be? Please go back under your rock. Also; spell check works pretty well on this site. Go back to buying FNC sears on the stupid assumption (despite many letters to the contrary & advice from countless people that it wasn't legal) that you could use them in a SCAR. You're a speculator, and a really, really stupid one at that. Hope you go to bed skeered every night that your "investments" lose value. Yeah can someone please tell us what the worse out come could be? I mean give us the whole nine yards or just shut these agents of the boggie man up,.. |
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Oh, look! Found another $20! Think I'll put it here - http://www.gofundme.com/fmxlnk - for safe keeping. View Quote Saturday morning bump. |
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It won't go into the archives. For obvious reasons, I can't go into a whole bunch of detail here. But just hang tight and trust me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Its check out time for me. I will not post anything else in this thread. My parting shots......... Its very foolish to go half assed in such a lawsuit. A case like this will require the best and brightest legal team. You are foolish to think that it can be done for less than millions of dollars. The small fund will be depleated quickly. Lack of experience will raise its ugly head. Corners will be cut and serious mistakes will be made. The consequences of legal losses could be severe. Many outside this thread occasionally stop in for a peak at the thread and its not good what they think. Attorneys, nfa guys, and general firearm enthusiast are thinking what a mess. I am OUT! View Quote You're so full of shit. So who are these Attorneys, nfa guys, and enthusiasts that you're talking about? How do they even know what Nolo is doing to decide that anyway. Unless they mean this thread, which I might agree with sine you keep posting in it. You're full of shit, and I wish someone would ban you from this thread for trolling. |
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I won't let that happen. Even if I'm just here, by myself, talking to my self, I'll be posting here at least every 24-48 hours. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just bumping the most important thread in the last 28y. Why can't we get this pinned at the top of GD again? NorCal? Admin? Anyone? I won't let that happen. Even if I'm just here, by myself, talking to my self, I'll be posting here at least every 24-48 hours. I'll help you bump today. How's the weather down there in Florida? |
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xm15e2s...I'll bet money you cant stay out of this thread. You're a parasite and a profiteer, and will happily fuck over your fellow Americans and 2A supporters for the sake of profit. So, Judas...what will you spend your 30 pieces of silver on? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=52740 View Quote OH SNAP! |
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Update says close to filing lawsuit #1 Any idea when that might happen? How long before this is heard in court? How long before this comes to its conclusion? Does this have to end at the Supreme Court to work out with us? Why did the registry not reopened after US v. Rock Island Armory: or Steward vs US? I thought at least in Rock Island Armory was in our favor? US v. Rock Island Armory did go in our favor, but the government declined to appeal, meaning the decision is only binding in Illinois where machine guns are banned at the state level meaning no one can take advantage of it. So what exactly is it that's binding in this case. |
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Please be advised that someone from this thread is posting on other boards using my screen name xm15e2s or xm15e2 about this topic and subject. Its not me. Boards like subguns. Ive been emailed about other attempts. I am very outspoken I don't need anyone pretending to be me. View Quote Not here. 986 posts since April 2001? That's like one post every 5 days. I've been here a month longer and I know damn well I'm not exactly "very outspoken" with 3553 posts. I also know damn well I'm not the only Finnbear on the internet because that username is often not available. Having a username of a gun model popular with the 2A crowd means there will be others using the same name in many other places. You don't have a patent on that username and in the grand scheme of things, your 986 987 posts are about as important as a pimple on my ass. |
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Not here. 986 posts since April 2001? That's like one post every 5 days. I've been here a month longer and I know damn well I'm not exactly "very outspoken" with 3553 posts. I also know damn well I'm not the only Finnbear on the internet because that username is often not available. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Please be advised that someone from this thread is posting on other boards using my screen name xm15e2s or xm15e2 about this topic and subject. Its not me. Boards like subguns. Ive been emailed about other attempts. I am very outspoken I don't need anyone pretending to be me. Not here. 986 posts since April 2001? That's like one post every 5 days. I've been here a month longer and I know damn well I'm not exactly "very outspoken" with 3553 posts. I also know damn well I'm not the only Finnbear on the internet because that username is often not available. I feel like such a post whore now. |
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The NRA is where they are most comfortable. Staying awake from anything controversial yet still being considered the great devil by all the liberals. NRA might show up and state a position if this makes it to SCOTUS. Until then, expect zero help from NRA. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It would pass without much notice and virtually without objection. I'm sorry..... I must have missed it-where is the NRA in all this? The NRA is where they are most comfortable. Staying awake from anything controversial yet still being considered the great devil by all the liberals. NRA might show up and state a position if this makes it to SCOTUS. Until then, expect zero help from NRA. I was being facetious..... And I don't want the NRA anywhere near this case even if it does go to the SCOTUS. After they actively tried to torpedo the Heller case by asking to merge it with another case they knew would fail, and naming all kinds of people defendants that had no bearing on their case, I have no trust that NRA has my best interests in mind. The only unharmful thing the NRA did with the Heller case was step in at the last minute when the Kodak moment was a sure thing. |
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I'm a broke college kid working my way through college and still have made it a priority to donate $10 just now, I'll probably be back in a few days to throw 10 more bucks at it. For those of you that say they can't find the extra funds, go roll some change from your car if you have to, make a pack of cigs last two days not one, you really don't need that case of beer after all, etc; save somewhere in your life and donate just a bit, its not hard and only takes a min or two at max. View Quote Thanks for giving what you can, friend-it all matters. |
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Please be advised that someone from this thread is posting on other boards using my screen name xm15e2s or xm15e2 about this topic and subject. Its not me. Boards like subguns. Ive been emailed about other attempts. I am very outspoken I don't need anyone pretending to be me. Not here. 986 posts since April 2001? That's like one post every 5 days. I've been here a month longer and I know damn well I'm not exactly "very outspoken" with 3553 posts. I also know damn well I'm not the only Finnbear on the internet because that username is often not available. I feel like such a post whore now. Did somebody say post whore? |
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Please be advised that someone from this thread is posting on other boards using my screen name xm15e2s or xm15e2 about this topic and subject. Its not me. Boards like subguns. Ive been emailed about other attempts. I am very outspoken I don't need anyone pretending to be me. Not here. 986 posts since April 2001? That's like one post every 5 days. I've been here a month longer and I know damn well I'm not exactly "very outspoken" with 3553 posts. I also know damn well I'm not the only Finnbear on the internet because that username is often not available. I feel like such a post whore now. Did somebody say post whore? |
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