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Okay, let's say you are correct.



Which is better for the shooting community:



A. Make another enemy



B. Welcome a new supporter of the black rifle



If he wasn't "one of us", then we need to make him one of us, not alienate him.

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I honestly do not understand this attitude.

Zumbo messed up.  He got his lumps, lost his job, etc.  That's fine.

But the Nuge took the high road and decided to "educate" someone that was ignorant.

Now, whether Zumbo was "really" sorry and changed his mind, I guess I don't know.  But he apologized and said that he was wrong and now understood the need and use of the black rifle.

What does the shooting community gain by "shooting our wounded"?

The guy screwed up and changed his mind.  Why don't we welcome him back in the fold?

Other hunters that do not understand Second Amendment issues will be less willing to learn and change their minds if we continue to act this

way.  Our goal ought to be to change people's minds and educate them and then welcome them into the Black Rifle Family.

Just MHO.




We teach the next Quisling to keep his mouth shut in the first place, before he can damage our freedoms; that's what we have to gain.

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To this day, if his hunting show comes on or if a commercial comes on with him in it.... I change the channel... never forget!

- Clint

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Further, let's suppose that deep in the crevices of his addled mind, he secretly hates the platform and the idea of hunting with them. May I suggest that it doesn't matter?



Publicly, he owned up to his mistake and apologized.

Publicly, he went hunting with Ted God Damned Nugent, and wrote favorably of it.

Publicly, he wrote nice things about black rifles.

Publicly, he has never again written a disparaging remark on either the rifle, or it's owners.

Publicly, he is now indistinguishable from somebody who truly does love the rifle and the idea of hunting with it.



So even if I were to suppose I had the ability to know the man's heart (I don't, and neither do you), and came to the conclusion that he was putting on an act, it doesn't matter. In deed (if not thought), he's now one of us. There was a huge "fire mission" (that actually worked for a change!), and a positive change in public behavior.



If that's not good enough, then what was the point of all this?

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Some fudd comment about how EBRs are evil. He was subsequently boycotted, so he changed his tune.

As far as I'm concerned, he's learned his lesson.

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people do not change.
he has learned to keep his true beliefs to himself though.

fuck Zumbo.

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Dude made a mistake......

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A  penguin mating with beaver?  It's the end of the world!

 

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We need a whole list of anti-freedom gun people and companies, here is a few

badguys:
Zumbo (writer) - anti AR-15
Cooper rifles - supported Obama
H.S. precision stocks - Lon Horiuchi fan club
Robinson Armament  - Romney backer
Smith & Wesson - sell out agreement with feds

reformed:
Ruger Firearms - Bill Ruger is dead, current company even producing 10/22 high caps

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Okay, let's say you are correct.



Which is better for the shooting community:



A. Make another enemy



B. Welcome a new supporter of the black rifle



If he wasn't "one of us", then we need to make him one of us, not alienate him.

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The blog entry that started it all:

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms. I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers." Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms." This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries [sic] and woods.

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Yeah I know, but Ted didn't say all the stupid shit, he just tried to help a dumb friend. We all have dumb friends so I will let him slide

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I honestly do not understand this attitude.

Zumbo messed up.  He got his lumps, lost his job, etc.  That's fine.

But the Nuge took the high road and decided to "educate" someone that was ignorant.

Now, whether Zumbo was "really" sorry and changed his mind, I guess I don't know.  But he apologized and said that he was wrong and now understood the need and use of the black rifle.

What does the shooting community gain by "shooting our wounded"?

The guy screwed up and changed his mind.  Why don't we welcome him back in the fold?

Other hunters that do not understand Second Amendment issues will be less willing to learn and change their minds if we continue to act this way.  Our goal ought to be to change people's minds and educate them and then welcome them into the Black Rifle Family.

Just MHO.

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I spent my weekend shooting and chasing beaver. I even have pics.  

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I have a hard time forgiving a person that's supposed to be such a prolific hunting writer and shooting enthusiast could be so completely ignorant of the AR platform in the hunting realm.  He mentioned all these hunters telling him how versatile the AR platform is, and that's when he should've looked into it rather than professing he seen no sporting use for it.

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The blog entry that started it all:

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms. I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers." Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms." This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries [sic] and woods.

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I wasn't a member of this site at the time... But I remember learning about what happened...

A positive outcome was that I remember Field and Stream publishing a bit on it, and soon after that they started having more articles on AR's in "hunting" applications.

I think more folks got the message than just Zumbo...

As far as trying to make a guy an enemy who has offered an appology, I am not so sure that is *wise*.

When I was in college, I became friends with a girl, and spent some time with her and her family. Her parents were near retirement age, and her dad, when he got upset with his wife, would mention her boyfriends, and youthful indescretions with said boyfrieds, from *before* they were married. At first, I thought she must have cheated on him, from his (in front of other people) anger and resentment. Nope. From before they had even met. Now there was a guy who couldn't let things go.

Sometimes, you got to let things go.

And in this particular case, we have a guy who has obviously been punished. We have a guy who offered an apology, and for all intents and purposes hasn't made the same mistake again...

Is there "real" angst for the AR among FUDD's? Absolutely. I have seen it at my local range. Mouthy comments from guys sighting in their hunting rifles. The first time I thought they were trying to be funny. Then when I realized they were serious, my knees almost buckeled. I know how to talk to liberal douche's about gun rights, and the 2nd Amd. but how do you respectfully talk to a guy sighting in his hunting rifle about the 2nd Amd. and the need for more than "five rounds in a rifle." I said something stupid, like "well, what if more than five guys try to break into my house..." And I said it, trying to be respectful, but also defending my position. He said, "If more than five guys are trying to kill you, they are going to win, no matter how many rounds you have." I said, "Yeah, but I will give it my best shot, you have a nice day, mister." I was absolutely floored. I am telling you that my knees almost buckled. It was like somebody kneed me in my stomach. I was out of breath, and stammering. I couldn't believe it...

But in this particular case, we have a guy who made an apology, changed his stance, and publicly stated that the AR has a place.

I can accept that.

Forgive your enemies, but don't forget their names.

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The most ironic part is that he probably owned/owns several mauser-based rifles.  What an idiot.

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I'm skeptical of his reformation, but geez the guy certainly was made an example of. I'm surprised he didn't have a heart attack. I don't think the guy deserves to never work again, have a stroke, starve to death etc.  

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We need a whole list of anti-freedom gun people and companies, here is a few

badguys:
Zumbo (writer) - anti AR-15
Cooper rifles - supported Obama
H.S. precision stocks - Lon Horiuchi fan club
Robinson Armament  - Romney backer
Smith & Wesson - sell out agreement with feds

reformed:
Ruger Firearms - Bill Ruger is dead, current company even producing 10/22 high caps

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i gice a lot of credit to Gunwritr he mentioned severl anti Ar fudd gun writers when that blew up. i guess there is more anti/fudd bullshit among the hunting writers than i thought

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That's fucking absurd.

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Dude made a mistake......

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I honestly do not understand this attitude.

Zumbo messed up.  He got his lumps, lost his job, etc.  That's fine.

But the Nuge took the high road and decided to "educate" someone that was ignorant.

Now, whether Zumbo was "really" sorry and changed his mind, I guess I don't know.  But he apologized and said that he was wrong and now understood the need and use of the black rifle.

What does the shooting community gain by "shooting our wounded"?

The guy screwed up and changed his mind.  Why don't we welcome him back in the fold?

Other hunters that do not understand Second Amendment issues will be less willing to learn and change their minds if we continue to act this way.  Our goal ought to be to change people's minds and educate them and then welcome them into the Black Rifle Family.

Just MHO.