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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:17:30 PM EDT
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Nope.
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:18:04 PM EDT
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When they shitcan a bunch of employees who just priced themselves out of work, what does that do to welfare applications? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Part of their benefit package to employees should be a welfare application so we can all help subsidies their profits  then it's not a viable business. I don't want to help subsidize McDonald's. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:19:06 PM EDT
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Profit.
It's the person's responsibility to make a "living" wage.. whatever that means. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:20:30 PM EDT
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I don't want to help subsidize McDonald's. If you think it's McDonalds' fault that a lot of their employees qualify for welfare, then there's no helping you. 
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:21:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: then it's not a viable business. I don't want to help subsidize McDonald's. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Part of their benefit package to employees should be a welfare application so we can all help subsidies their profits then it's not a viable business. I don't want to help subsidize McDonald's. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:22:03 PM EDT
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then it's not a viable business. I don't want to help subsidize McDonald's. Why not? We subsidize practically every other business through our social programs and tax breaks (if not outright handouts). |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:22:19 PM EDT
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It's not a business's duty to pay someone more than they're worth, and it's not the governments duty to make it comfortable to be poor.
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:22:29 PM EDT
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A living wage
whats that? oh its when you have a/the ability to HOLD monies aside for retirement HOLD monies aside for collage funds HOLD monies aside for the savings acc if and when (or why ) you don't have EXTRA money for those options YOU BROKE so where does it start ( END ) at 75/125.00 an HOUR ya 125 an hour ... that should do it just FINE no 10/15bucks an HOUR is a LIVING wage |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:23:11 PM EDT
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I don't want to subsidize big businesses with low wages that force their employees to go on welfare. Raise wages, reduce welfare. Welfare is just a subsidy for companies like walmart/mcdonalds. If your company isn't profitable enough to pay someone a decent wage, I'm okay with you going out of business.
Instead of the companies paying for their meals, its you and me. No thanks. Business subsidies are dumb, along with agricultural subsidies which I'm sure many on this board are fond of and will speak up against the FSA mcdonalds worker. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:23:34 PM EDT
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Why not? We subsidize practically every other business through our social programs and tax breaks (if not outright handouts). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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then it's not a viable business. I don't want to help subsidize McDonald's. Why not? We subsidize practically every other business through our social programs and tax breaks (if not outright handouts). Yep we are all FSA |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:24:46 PM EDT
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That would be the most beneficial for the businesses but not society. That's where the conflict is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whatever a competent applicant is willing to do it for. That would be the most beneficial for the businesses but not society. That's where the conflict is. No, the conflict arises because of a failure to recognize that our society IS "business". Society is a population working together for the mutual benefit of all. We each contribute our strengths and skills, and produce goods and services needed or desired by other members of that population. We choose to exchange those products via a system of currency that represents an agreed-upon value, to avoid having to, say, drag my cow into town to trade for your web design skills when I decide the farm needs a new web site. Business is what makes us a society, and trying to artificially manipulate the value structure rips the foundation out of the very society we think we're trying to protect. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:25:08 PM EDT
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What determines a living wage? This. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:25:17 PM EDT
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I don't want to subsidize big businesses with low wages that force their employees to go on welfare. Raise wages, reduce welfare. Welfare is just a subsidy for companies like walmart/mcdonalds. Government-controlled price fixing has worked out so well for everything else in the past....
Commies gonna commie, I suppose. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:25:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: McDonald's, Target, Walmart, Kohl's, Kmart, should they be required to pay their workers a living wage? Or should their main concern be the bottom line, profit? Personally I think that you go into business to make a profit, not to be socially engineered by the government. I can't think of many retail jobs which couldn't be replaced by robotics. Once the technology becomes more prevalent, it will become more refined and more affordable. The 'living-wage geniuses' are in for a rude awakening if/when their agenda grows legs. They'll not only cut their own throats...they'll cut the throats of every other retail employee who has a job. Ronald McDonald will become Ronald McRobo....and he will run the soup lines for all the unemployed 'living-wage geniuses'. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:25:53 PM EDT
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It is the job of any business pay people what they are willing to work for.
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:26:04 PM EDT
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I work three jobs in this new normal to get a living fucking wage. not by bitching and moaning.
I actually enjoy all the work and diversity of income streams. wife works too. I can't wait for both kids to be in school and day care costs plummet. 
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:26:25 PM EDT
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What determines a living wage? This. There are formulas |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:26:59 PM EDT
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Government-controlled price fixing has worked out so well for everything else in the past....
Commies gonna commie, I suppose. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't want to subsidize big businesses with low wages that force their employees to go on welfare. Raise wages, reduce welfare. Welfare is just a subsidy for companies like walmart/mcdonalds. Government-controlled price fixing has worked out so well for everything else in the past....
Commies gonna commie, I suppose. Its better than the current system of tax everyone except the companies that pay their wages. I don't eat at mcdonalds yet I subsidize their workforce. That sounds a lot more commie than what I propose. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:27:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not? We subsidize practically every other business through our social programs and tax breaks (if not outright handouts). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: then it's not a viable business. I don't want to help subsidize McDonald's. Why not? We subsidize practically every other business through our social programs and tax breaks (if not outright handouts). |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:28:06 PM EDT
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Irrelevant. Trying to control wages that way will have unintended consequences that defeat the whole purpose.
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:28:37 PM EDT
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Its better than the current system of tax everyone except the companies that pay their wages. I don't eat at mcdonalds yet I subsidize their workforce. That sounds a lot more commie than what I propose. Sure... if you actually believe that drivel. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:28:40 PM EDT
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No. There is no doubt though that employers take advantage. You'll never hear that on here though...
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:28:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is a the job of a store to pay enough to attract the kind of employees they need to turn a profit. This, verbatim.
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:29:54 PM EDT
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No, the conflict arises because of a failure to recognize that our society IS "business". Society is a population working together for the mutual benefit of all. We each contribute our strengths and skills, and produce goods and services needed or desired by other members of that population. We choose to exchange those products via a system of currency that represents an agreed-upon value, to avoid having to, say, drag my cow into town to trade for your web design skills when I decide the farm needs a new web site. Business is what makes us a society, and trying to artificially manipulate the value structure rips the foundation out of the very society we think we're trying to protect. I disagree. Often the desires of business run directly counter to the interests of the society they reside in (for a variety of reasons). Business are created to, as you said, better society but they are not "the society" and due to their necessity for society to function I believe the government has a legitimate role to play in keeping the balance between the public's interest and business' interest. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:30:20 PM EDT
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But you are paying higher taxes because that low wage worker still qualifies for welfare. More people getting paid a living wage = fewer people qualifying for the Government dole. All these low wage people quality for government assistance, so a low minimum wage is more corporate welfare than anything else. Those guys working fast food at $7hr still get their EBT, obama phone, section 8 housing, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No, it is the responsibility of the employee to gain a set of skills and knowledge to acquire a position that will provide a living wage. Where is the fairness in that, gee. I'm not paying $9 for a Big Mac just illegal aliens can live higher off the hog. But you are paying higher taxes because that low wage worker still qualifies for welfare. More people getting paid a living wage = fewer people qualifying for the Government dole. All these low wage people quality for government assistance, so a low minimum wage is more corporate welfare than anything else. Those guys working fast food at $7hr still get their EBT, obama phone, section 8 housing, etc. Doubling the pay from minimum wage to $15.00 an hour will not work for fast food workers. "They" complain at their fast food job it takes an hours wage to buy their lunch/supper meal on the job. So... if it goes to $15.00 an hour, the money has to come from somewhere and that will be doubling fast food prices. So, it will still take an hours wage to buy lunch/supper on the job. So my prediction... If/when $15.00 happens fewer people will buy fast food. My pension is not going to have a cola adjustment so I can afford a $12.00 Big Mac! The result will be fast food franchises close due to lack of business at the doubled price. So the $15.00 fast food jobs will dramatically decrease due to closed franchises. How does $7.50 and a job compare to being laid off from a $15.00 an hour when the FF restaurants start closing? AND... places like Applebees, (sit down restaurants) where the employees make most of their money in tips will thrive and grow. If it is going to cost me $15.00 for a Big Mac, I will go to a Cotton Patch restaurant and get a meal with veggies for the same price! |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:30:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its better than the current system of tax everyone except the companies that pay their wages. I don't eat at mcdonalds yet I subsidize their workforce. That sounds a lot more commie than what I propose. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't want to subsidize big businesses with low wages that force their employees to go on welfare. Raise wages, reduce welfare. Welfare is just a subsidy for companies like walmart/mcdonalds. Government-controlled price fixing has worked out so well for everything else in the past.... Commies gonna commie, I suppose. Its better than the current system of tax everyone except the companies that pay their wages. I don't eat at mcdonalds yet I subsidize their workforce. That sounds a lot more commie than what I propose. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:30:54 PM EDT
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You seem to think that those employees would be earning more if there weren't social programs supporting them. The truth is, if they were more expensive (because they weren't supported by social programs) the company would fire a portion of them, increase automation and make the remaining ones produce more, commensurate with their increased productivity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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then it's not a viable business. I don't want to help subsidize McDonald's. Why not? We subsidize practically every other business through our social programs and tax breaks (if not outright handouts). Good, maybe that will encourage them to start their own business instead of just coast on minimum wage + welfare. In the end, there would be less people on welfare because business would pull people out of it or fire them (who are the people that are already on welfare). |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:31:54 PM EDT
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It is the job of any business pay people what they are willing to work for. This is the post. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:32:41 PM EDT
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You would be paying MORE for those people if McDonalds didn't employ them. How do you not understand this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't want to subsidize big businesses with low wages that force their employees to go on welfare. Raise wages, reduce welfare. Welfare is just a subsidy for companies like walmart/mcdonalds. Government-controlled price fixing has worked out so well for everything else in the past....
Commies gonna commie, I suppose. Its better than the current system of tax everyone except the companies that pay their wages. I don't eat at mcdonalds yet I subsidize their workforce. That sounds a lot more commie than what I propose. If McDonalds doubles their wages and fires half their staff, I'm okay with that. It pulls half of their staff off the welfare tit. The half they fired are already on welfare and would get a marginal increase in benefits. Net gain to tax payer, minus gain to people who eat at mcdonalds. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:33:05 PM EDT
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I don't support the government mandating what any business pays but at one time these jobs did pay a living wage. Our neighbor when I was growing up owned 10 acres of some awesome land, he retired from Sears. Who goes into that line of work to make a career of it anymore?
At one point in our history, the employers counted on their employees to stick around for the long haul and compensated them for it. Would you rather talk to the punk kid that's been there for 6 months or the guy that's been dealing with the products in his department for the last 15 years? I honestly think both sides are at fault. You've got fast food workers demanding $15/hr and you've got corporations that only care about the stock price. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:33:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not? We subsidize practically every other business through our social programs and tax breaks (if not outright handouts). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: then it's not a viable business. I don't want to help subsidize McDonald's. Why not? We subsidize practically every other business through our social programs and tax breaks (if not outright handouts). Why not? Really? Well...the reason is because ....I have to pay for all those fucking social programs!! Are you fucking daft? Because we subsidize FSA-R-US we should subsidize every other vapid cocksucker who won't apply themselves enough to learn a living wage skill? Where will all those fucking subsidies come from? Fuck, dude, I'm shittin' subsidies as fast as I can...and still you want more... Teeners gonna teen....  |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:33:42 PM EDT
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McDonald's is where high school kids and bored moms work. Not the family bread winner. I haven't earned minimum wage since 2 months into my first job in high school. The concept of an adult not having the skills to earn more than that blows my mind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll go you one better; people who prepare fast food for a living don't deserve a living wage, particularly adults. I haven't earned minimum wage since 2 months into my first job in high school. The concept of an adult not having the skills to earn more than that blows my mind. I feel the same way. I haven't earned minimum wage since I turned 17. I can't comprehend how people, mainly adults, can't find a way to earn more than minimum wage. I guess some people are designed to dig ditches. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:33:53 PM EDT
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The way you've phrased the question means you acknowledge that there is such a thing as a "living wage" that you're willing to deny.
What makes you think there is a so called "living wage" in the first place? |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:36:40 PM EDT
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The wage rate for unskilled labor is determined by: A) The number of available positions B) The number of available workers That's it. It's the same for any job. The higher the training requirement, the smaller the labor pool. In most cases that means a higher wage. If your particular industry tanks, even highly skilled people can wind up fucked. If literally anyone can walk in off the street and learn your "job" in a few hours, do not expect a living wage. Put another way, if you can be replaced in minimal time with minimal effort, do not expect a living wage. In some cases like mine the employer can pay even skilled workers SHIT pay because they know there are 300 applicants lined up to do my job for even LESS. Bunch of evil mother fuckers. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:37:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good, maybe that will encourage them to start their own business instead of just coast on minimum wage + welfare. In the end, there would be less people on welfare because business would pull people out of it or fire them (who are the people that are already on welfare). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: then it's not a viable business. I don't want to help subsidize McDonald's. Why not? We subsidize practically every other business through our social programs and tax breaks (if not outright handouts). Good, maybe that will encourage them to start their own business instead of just coast on minimum wage + welfare. In the end, there would be less people on welfare because business would pull people out of it or fire them (who are the people that are already on welfare). Yeah, the adults who couldn't be bothered to gain a skill more complex than working a minimum wage gig at McDonalds will pull themselves out of poverty by starting a business!!! OMFG, LOL  |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:38:33 PM EDT
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In some cases like mine the employer can pay even skilled workers SHIT pay because they know there are 300 applicants lined up to do my job for even LESS. Bunch of evil mother fuckers. Remove all the illegals from the workforce in this country and what does that do to your 300 applicants? |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:38:46 PM EDT
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I feel the same way. I haven't earned minimum wage since I turned 17. I can't comprehend how people, mainly adults, can't find a way to earn more than minimum wage. I guess some people are designed to dig ditches. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll go you one better; people who prepare fast food for a living don't deserve a living wage, particularly adults. I haven't earned minimum wage since 2 months into my first job in high school. The concept of an adult not having the skills to earn more than that blows my mind. I feel the same way. I haven't earned minimum wage since I turned 17. I can't comprehend how people, mainly adults, can't find a way to earn more than minimum wage. I guess some people are designed to dig ditches. Their lack of motivation is the key. Stop subsidizing their shitty lifestyles by making shit paying jobs harder to find. Stop companies from benefiting from having shitty jobs readily available. Make the FSA uncomfortable. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:39:52 PM EDT
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In some cases like mine the employer can pay even skilled workers SHIT pay because they know there are 300 applicants lined up to do my job for even LESS. Bunch of evil mother fuckers. If that's the case... just how "skilled" are you? |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:41:00 PM EDT
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Why not? Really? Well...the reason is because ....I have to pay for all those fucking social programs!! Are you fucking daft? Because we subsidize FSA-R-US we should subsidize every other vapid cocksucker who won't apply themselves enough to learn a living wage skill? Where will all those fucking subsidies come from? Fuck, dude, I'm shittin' subsidies as fast as I can...and still you want more... Teeners gonna teen....
Not that I agree with everything you said, but the "why not" was sarcastic. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:42:10 PM EDT
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LOLOLOLOL Yeah, the adults who couldn't be bothered to gain a skill more complex than working a minimum wage gig at McDonalds will pull themselves out of poverty by starting a business!!! OMFG, LOL Quote HistoryQuoted:
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then it's not a viable business. I don't want to help subsidize McDonald's. Why not? We subsidize practically every other business through our social programs and tax breaks (if not outright handouts). Good, maybe that will encourage them to start their own business instead of just coast on minimum wage + welfare. In the end, there would be less people on welfare because business would pull people out of it or fire them (who are the people that are already on welfare). Yeah, the adults who couldn't be bothered to gain a skill more complex than working a minimum wage gig at McDonalds will pull themselves out of poverty by starting a business!!! OMFG, LOL Ehh I dont necessarily think that will happen, but I'm okay with getting rid of shitty jobs that pay shit wages. If McDonalds fires their entire staff because its cheaper to put say, touchscreen registers and automates everything, people will be required to build those automated machines. Those jobs are worth far more than garbage "would you like fries with that" jobs. No one is subsidizing McDonalds then. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:43:31 PM EDT
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I disagree. Often the desires of business run directly counter to the interests of the society they reside in (for a variety of reasons). Business are created to, as you said, better society but they are not "the society" but due to their necessity for society to function I believe the government has a legitimate role to play in keeping the balance between the public's interest and business' interest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No, the conflict arises because of a failure to recognize that our society IS "business". Society is a population working together for the mutual benefit of all. We each contribute our strengths and skills, and produce goods and services needed or desired by other members of that population. We choose to exchange those products via a system of currency that represents an agreed-upon value, to avoid having to, say, drag my cow into town to trade for your web design skills when I decide the farm needs a new web site. Business is what makes us a society, and trying to artificially manipulate the value structure rips the foundation out of the very society we think we're trying to protect. I disagree. Often the desires of business run directly counter to the interests of the society they reside in (for a variety of reasons). Business are created to, as you said, better society but they are not "the society" but due to their necessity for society to function I believe the government has a legitimate role to play in keeping the balance between the public's interest and business' interest. Thank you for responding civilly and explaining your viewpoint sans chest-thumping and bickering. I counter with: name a productive member of society who is not, in some way, engaged in business. If you work for a living, you are participating in business. If you consume goods, produce goods or services, travel, communicate, educate or be educated, you are interacting with business. The only people who don't, by definition, must be supported by those who are. That's our other failure. Welfare needs to go away. Society simply cannot function when a significant percentage are not pulling their own weight; consuming but not producing. It's not a theory... look around. Yes, we need a safety net of some sort to protect against domino-effect disruptions when a person is injured or has some other legitimate reason for not being physically able to work. But these should be short term and temporary. There will always be some overhead to accommodate, but nationally-administered welfare programs are probably not the best way to manage it. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:44:05 PM EDT
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The way you've phrased the question means you acknowledge that there is such a thing as a "living wage" that you're willing to deny.
What makes you think there is a so called "living wage" in the first place? Because there are basic necessities people need to live..something like, food, clothing, and shelter. Never heard that before? having pissed off employees that have shitty service is probably going to hurt company and <gasp> profits. Half of the people who work minimum wage already do a piss poor job, I couldn't imagine what it would be like if ARF got its wish. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:45:59 PM EDT
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Needs poll. The answer is "no."
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:47:07 PM EDT
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Because there are basic necessities people need to live..something like, food, clothing, and shelter. Never heard that before? having pissed off employees that have shitty service is probably going to hurt company and <gasp> profits. Half of the people who work minimum wage already do a piss poor job, I couldn't imagine what it would be like if ARF got its wish. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The way you've phrased the question means you acknowledge that there is such a thing as a "living wage" that you're willing to deny.
What makes you think there is a so called "living wage" in the first place? Because there are basic necessities people need to live..something like, food, clothing, and shelter. Never heard that before? having pissed off employees that have shitty service is probably going to hurt company and <gasp> profits. Half of the people who work minimum wage already do a piss poor job, I couldn't imagine what it would be like if ARF got its wish. Meh, it would be someone else's fault..............I guess that sounds rather liberal though eh? |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:47:23 PM EDT
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No, the conflict arises because of a failure to recognize that our society IS "business". Society is a population working together for the mutual benefit of all. We each contribute our strengths and skills, and produce goods and services needed or desired by other members of that population. We choose to exchange those products via a system of currency that represents an agreed-upon value, to avoid having to, say, drag my cow into town to trade for your web design skills when I decide the farm needs a new web site. Business is what makes us a society, and trying to artificially manipulate the value structure rips the foundation out of the very society we think we're trying to protect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whatever a competent applicant is willing to do it for. That would be the most beneficial for the businesses but not society. That's where the conflict is. No, the conflict arises because of a failure to recognize that our society IS "business". Society is a population working together for the mutual benefit of all. We each contribute our strengths and skills, and produce goods and services needed or desired by other members of that population. We choose to exchange those products via a system of currency that represents an agreed-upon value, to avoid having to, say, drag my cow into town to trade for your web design skills when I decide the farm needs a new web site. Business is what makes us a society, and trying to artificially manipulate the value structure rips the foundation out of the very society we think we're trying to protect. What an awesome post. You hit the nail on the head! |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:47:48 PM EDT
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Because there are basic necessities people need to live..something like, food, clothing, and shelter. Never heard that before? having pissed off employees that have shitty service is probably going to hurt company and <gasp> profits. Half of the people who work minimum wage already do a piss poor job, I couldn't imagine what it would be like if ARF got its wish. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The way you've phrased the question means you acknowledge that there is such a thing as a "living wage" that you're willing to deny.
What makes you think there is a so called "living wage" in the first place? Because there are basic necessities people need to live..something like, food, clothing, and shelter. Never heard that before? having pissed off employees that have shitty service is probably going to hurt company and <gasp> profits. Half of the people who work minimum wage already do a piss poor job, I couldn't imagine what it would be like if ARF got its wish. Eh, they can starve. No right to a job or income in the constitution. 
It's a good thing that FDR's Second Bill of Rights never gained traction, or we'd be just like Europe now. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:48:12 PM EDT
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Labor is a commodity. It is bought and sold in the market place. Stores should buy labor at the lowest price they can while maintaining the quality goals. Employees sell their labor for the highest possible price. If they want to make more money, they need to make their labor more valuable. Like working harder or having advanced or special skills. Although what you say is mostly fantasy I do agree about labor being bought and sold on the marketplace. The company should purchase labor at its lowest cost to still maintain quality. However a large corporation with its "buying power" to purchase labor totally engulfs the individuals "selling power". Therefore enter unions. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:48:23 PM EDT
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Why not? We subsidize practically every other business through our social programs and tax breaks (if not outright handouts). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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then it's not a viable business. I don't want to help subsidize McDonald's. Why not? We subsidize practically every other business through our social programs and tax breaks (if not outright handouts). Really? I didn't know all those businesses were getting welfare checks. Since the money goes to individuals who've applied for it, I figure we're subsidizing them. <---- DU |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:48:50 PM EDT
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Meh, it would be someone else's fault..............I guess that sounds rather liberal though eh? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The way you've phrased the question means you acknowledge that there is such a thing as a "living wage" that you're willing to deny.
What makes you think there is a so called "living wage" in the first place? Because there are basic necessities people need to live..something like, food, clothing, and shelter. Never heard that before? having pissed off employees that have shitty service is probably going to hurt company and <gasp> profits. Half of the people who work minimum wage already do a piss poor job, I couldn't imagine what it would be like if ARF got its wish. Meh, it would be someone else's fault..............I guess that sounds rather liberal though eh? It's their own problems. Get an education or something. Not my problem. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:49:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What an awesome post. You hit the nail on the head! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Whatever a competent applicant is willing to do it for. That would be the most beneficial for the businesses but not society. That's where the conflict is. No, the conflict arises because of a failure to recognize that our society IS "business". Society is a population working together for the mutual benefit of all. We each contribute our strengths and skills, and produce goods and services needed or desired by other members of that population. We choose to exchange those products via a system of currency that represents an agreed-upon value, to avoid having to, say, drag my cow into town to trade for your web design skills when I decide the farm needs a new web site. Business is what makes us a society, and trying to artificially manipulate the value structure rips the foundation out of the very society we think we're trying to protect. What an awesome post. You hit the nail on the head! Said much less snarkily than I can manage right now.
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