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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:20:43 PM EDT
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You cannot just pick up a stinger and fire it at an airplane and expect to hit it, certain steps must be followed to acquire a "lock". also there are 3 batteries with each missile True but we've undoubtedly trained a lot of people of there exactly how to do it. I'm sure they've already switched sides as to preserve their heads. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:21:12 PM EDT
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How long till they have Abrams?
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:21:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:21:37 PM EDT
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You cannot just pick up a stinger and fire it at an airplane and expect to hit it, certain steps must be followed to acquire a "lock". also there are 3 batteries with each missile You mean 3 separate batteries in the Stingers or 3 batteries that can each separately be used to acquire a target? If the latter, I'm guessing you can't buy more batteries on eBay. 
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:22:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've read some different things, but have our former Stingers verifiably ever caused us any lost aircraft? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Would a rose by any other name smell as sweet? I've read some different things, but have our former Stingers verifiably ever caused us any lost aircraft? Some in this thread need to get a grip and some sense. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:22:33 PM EDT
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well if they know how to operate it, very bad for our pilots, I would just use our long range bombers and bomb the fuck out of them at high altitude, who really gives a fuck where they land.
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I wonder how this would make air strikes in Iraq more difficult should the U.S. choose to do so? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Stinger guy here (retired) unclassified range, you can get this info anywhere, is about 5ks so a passenger jet is pretty much safe, stingers are made for fast movers, NOT just for take off and landing Quoted:
Will a Stinger missile take out a commercial passenger jet? We're about to find out! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I wonder how this would make air strikes in Iraq more difficult should the U.S. choose to do so? |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:22:55 PM EDT
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I don't believe we armed the Iraqis with Stinger. I'm skeptical of this. It does seem odd since the Iraqis would have no need for them. What air force would attack them? The only logical one would be the U.S. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:23:01 PM EDT
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck............ How long until ISIS captures some of the M1A1M Abrams we were retarded enough to give the Iraqis and sells them so Russia and Iran? I do believe this has already happened. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:23:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:23:33 PM EDT
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He's half right. It was for years until we built up the small city of an embassy a few blocks west of there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their new HQ for ISIS will be the US embassy which we made sure to build strong as hell to withstand bombs. http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/6-us-embassy-baghdad.jpg Interesting. That facade is eerily reminiscent of Nazi designs I've seen. Lol. That's not the US Embassy. He's half right. It was for years until we built up the small city of an embassy a few blocks west of there. I know, but he was referencing the construction quality of the current one. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:23:51 PM EDT
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You are correct 3 batteries to aquire targets, and its just not a lithium battery you can get on Ebay
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You mean 3 separate batteries in the Stingers or 3 batteries that can each separately be used to acquire a target? If the latter, I'm guessing you can't buy more batteries on eBay. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You cannot just pick up a stinger and fire it at an airplane and expect to hit it, certain steps must be followed to acquire a "lock". also there are 3 batteries with each missile You mean 3 separate batteries in the Stingers or 3 batteries that can each separately be used to acquire a target? If the latter, I'm guessing you can't buy more batteries on eBay. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:24:02 PM EDT
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Stinger guy here (retired) unclassified range, you can get this info anywhere, is about 5ks so a passenger jet is pretty much safe, stingers are made for fast movers, NOT just for take off and landing Quote HistoryQuoted:
Stinger guy here (retired) unclassified range, you can get this info anywhere, is about 5ks so a passenger jet is pretty much safe, stingers are made for fast movers, NOT just for take off and landing Quoted:
Will a Stinger missile take out a commercial passenger jet? We're about to find out! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Me too, although I wasn't a lifer. It might not reach jetliners, but it's gonna kill anything within the umbrella, to include our boys, likely to be sent to provide CAS.... If you're actually retired, how many "misses" have you seen?
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:24:25 PM EDT
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How long do the batteries last? Long time, provided they aren't squibbed. They aren't AAs. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:24:43 PM EDT
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Interesting. That facade U.S. Government is eerily reminiscent of Nazi designs I've seen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their new HQ for ISIS will be the US embassy which we made sure to build strong as hell to withstand bombs. http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/6-us-embassy-baghdad.jpg Interesting. That facade U.S. Government is eerily reminiscent of Nazi designs I've seen. Fixed it for you. TC |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:25:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:26:18 PM EDT
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I feel zero outrage. Everyone knew this was going to happen. The only thing that surprises me is that it took this long.
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:26:27 PM EDT
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I believe you have 30 seconds on the battery, which is plenty enough time, considering you are trying to hit a fast mover or rotory wing ac
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Long time, provided they aren't squibbed. They aren't AAs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How long do the batteries last? Long time, provided they aren't squibbed. They aren't AAs. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:26:33 PM EDT
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There was no reason for us to give Iraq Stingers. If we had a status of forces agreement in place we could have agreed to maintain a stockpile of Stingers on our facilities that we would share if the situation warranted it. Barring a status of forces agreement, there was no reason to leave those weapon in Iraqi hands whatsoever. Jeeze, who's making these decisions? Dept of State, Defense Security Cooperation Agency, Commerce.... there are a bunch of players. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:27:55 PM EDT
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Like I need another reason NOT to fly! If it not the TSA its the god damned terrorists getting their hands on MANPADS. Little do you know but the only thing between you and an ISIS stinger is some TSA drone feeling your package! |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:28:05 PM EDT
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I retired in 2005
I have seen misses, a couple, based on crew error, wasn't fully locked on etc......I have seen more hits than misses Quote HistoryQuoted:
Me too, although I wasn't a lifer. It might not reach jetliners, but it's gonna kill anything within the umbrella, to include our boys, likely to be sent to provide CAS.... If you're actually retired, how many "misses" have you seen? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Stinger guy here (retired) unclassified range, you can get this info anywhere, is about 5ks so a passenger jet is pretty much safe, stingers are made for fast movers, NOT just for take off and landing Quoted:
Will a Stinger missile take out a commercial passenger jet? We're about to find out! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Me too, although I wasn't a lifer. It might not reach jetliners, but it's gonna kill anything within the umbrella, to include our boys, likely to be sent to provide CAS.... If you're actually retired, how many "misses" have you seen? |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:28:36 PM EDT
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Nope. And I highly doubt we gave operable Stingers, which can shoot down aircraft, to Iraqis. Some in this thread need to get a grip and some sense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would a rose by any other name smell as sweet? I've read some different things, but have our former Stingers verifiably ever caused us any lost aircraft? Some in this thread need to get a grip and some sense. Well to the credit of some in the thread...we watched this gov't monkey fuck a football for the last 5-6 years so at this point no amount of fuckupness would really be a surprise. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:29:01 PM EDT
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I'd assume this makes our effort to increase security at the embassy and evac a bit more dangerous? Are helicopters the way in and out?
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:29:26 PM EDT
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Is it unreasonable to think the US could have bombed those bases and weapons depots before or shortly after they were overrun? It is when our kenyan-IN-chief was busy playing golf. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:29:35 PM EDT
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That's fucked up, yo. We really are our own worst enemies sometimes, or close enough to it. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:31:26 PM EDT
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I believe you have 30 seconds on the battery, which is plenty enough time, considering you are trying to hit a fast mover or rotory wing ac Quote HistoryQuoted:
I believe you have 30 seconds on the battery, which is plenty enough time, considering you are trying to hit a fast mover or rotory wing ac Quoted:
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How long do the batteries last? Long time, provided they aren't squibbed. They aren't AAs. Something like that. I think he was asking about storage life though. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:31:42 PM EDT
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I've read some different things, but have our former Stingers verifiably ever caused us any lost aircraft? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would a rose by any other name smell as sweet? I've read some different things, but have our former Stingers verifiably ever caused us any lost aircraft? Couldn't answer that. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:32:59 PM EDT
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I'd assume this makes our effort to increase security at the embassy and evac a bit more dangerous? Are helicopters the way in and out? Or Ospreys... same difference on approach/departure. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:34:09 PM EDT
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I get that, I totally do, but we never gave Stingers to the Taliban. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The skeptic in me says this is hogwash and is propaganda to start to sway the steeple into ground forces going back to Iraq. We gave stingers to The Taliban.  Are you serious? When they were the enemies of our enemies. I get that, I totally do, but we never gave Stingers to the Taliban. Libya. It was the biggest jewel of accomplishments in Hillary's crown with DeptofState. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:35:11 PM EDT
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I retired in 2005 I have seen misses, a couple, based on crew error, wasn't fully locked on etc......I have seen more hits than misses Quote HistoryQuoted:
I retired in 2005 I have seen misses, a couple, based on crew error, wasn't fully locked on etc......I have seen more hits than misses Quoted:
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Stinger guy here (retired) unclassified range, you can get this info anywhere, is about 5ks so a passenger jet is pretty much safe, stingers are made for fast movers, NOT just for take off and landing Quoted:
Will a Stinger missile take out a commercial passenger jet? We're about to find out! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Me too, although I wasn't a lifer. It might not reach jetliners, but it's gonna kill anything within the umbrella, to include our boys, likely to be sent to provide CAS.... If you're actually retired, how many "misses" have you seen? Misses in mts were commonplace. Misses on a range were few and far between. Here I am at White sands on the simulator range. No pix allowed on the livefire range... 
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:36:07 PM EDT
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well if they know how to operate it, very bad for our pilots, I would just use our long range bombers and bomb the fuck out of them at high altitude, who really gives a fuck where they land. FUCK IRAQ Quote HistoryQuoted:
well if they know how to operate it, very bad for our pilots, I would just use our long range bombers and bomb the fuck out of them at high altitude, who really gives a fuck where they land. FUCK IRAQ Quoted:
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Stinger guy here (retired) unclassified range, you can get this info anywhere, is about 5ks so a passenger jet is pretty much safe, stingers are made for fast movers, NOT just for take off and landing Quoted:
Will a Stinger missile take out a commercial passenger jet? We're about to find out! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I wonder how this would make air strikes in Iraq more difficult should the U.S. choose to do so? Ya, fuck Iraq |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:38:47 PM EDT
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How long till they have Abrams? You're kidding, of course. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:41:56 PM EDT
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I was cross-trained to fire a stinger, the battery is BCU, it spools up to "power" and cool the missile, and no one uses the IFF portion of it. This is definitely not good news for helos, or FW aircraft doing CAS. Its deadly,
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:42:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long before one of them is state side? Yeah, I'm curious about this as well. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:42:35 PM EDT
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Libya. It was the biggest jewel of accomplishments in Hillary's crown with DeptofState. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I get that, I totally do, but we never gave Stingers to the Taliban. Libya. It was the biggest jewel of accomplishments in Hillary's crown with DeptofState. Can you cite? |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:43:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: which one? ours or theirs? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Here comes the Civil War which one? ours or theirs? This comment is worth quoting...and answering, too, for that matter. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:43:48 PM EDT
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this clip shows you the aiming in a simulator, it takes practice
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:45:45 PM EDT
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If these were taken from US military bases, they are probably good to go. Hmm, article only says army bases. If it was Iraqi army, who knows unless we gave them brand new stingers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How long do the batteries last? If these were taken from US military bases, they are probably good to go. Hmm, article only says army bases. If it was Iraqi army, who knows unless we gave them brand new stingers. batteries are easy to improvise |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:45:55 PM EDT
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While we are at it why don't we send them a couple of trident missiles with special delivery.
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:48:09 PM EDT
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More likely, these are the Stingers and MANPADS that Obama and Hillary shipped to them in Syria from Benghazi. I've been waiting for them to show up. The administration is grasping the story that ISIS got them from the Iraqis in a desperate attempt to keep the truth suppressed. you may actually be onto something there. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:48:26 PM EDT
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"Fell" into enemy hands. Un huh. Going with handed on a silver platter.
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:50:49 PM EDT
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Stingers do 3 things really well.
Shoot down jet liners on landing /takeoff. Shoot down A-10's. Shoot down Helo's. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:51:05 PM EDT
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not these, they provide the liquid (gas) to cool the seeker head
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How long do the batteries last? If these were taken from US military bases, they are probably good to go. Hmm, article only says army bases. If it was Iraqi army, who knows unless we gave them brand new stingers. batteries are easy to improvise |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:52:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: batteries are easy to improvise Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How long do the batteries last? If these were taken from US military bases, they are probably good to go. Hmm, article only says army bases. If it was Iraqi army, who knows unless we gave them brand new stingers. batteries are easy to improvise Instead, paper weights |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:52:47 PM EDT
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Their new HQ for ISIS will be the US embassy which we made sure to build strong as hell to withstand bombs. http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/6-us-embassy-baghdad.jpg Interesting. That facade is eerily reminiscent of Nazi designs I've seen. That is no shit exactly what I thought when I looked at it. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:52:55 PM EDT
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While we are at it why don't we send them a couple of trident missiles with special delivery. Not a bad idea. It is totally unfair that we have so many and they have none. They are just as good as anybody else. We could have a few there in what, 30-45 minutes. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:53:50 PM EDT
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How long do the batteries last? If these were taken from US military bases, they are probably good to go. Hmm, article only says army bases. If it was Iraqi army, who knows unless we gave them brand new stingers. batteries are easy to improvise Not really. The BCU provides power AND high pressure argon. You aren't buying that at batteryjunction. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:54:04 PM EDT
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Would a rose by any other name smell as sweet? I've read some different things, but have our former Stingers verifiably ever caused us any lost aircraft? Couldn't answer that. I believe that in 2012, one of our Stingers disabled one of our Chinooks, causing it to crash. Searching.... Found this: Miliary records and sources reveal that on July 25, 2012, Taliban fighters in Kunar province successfully targeted a US Army CH-47 helicopter with a new generation Stinger missile. http://nypost.com/2014/06/08/how-the-taliban-got-their-hands-on-modern-us-missiles/ And, I believe, that in 2011 half of SEAL VI was taken out when what was believed to be a Stinger hit their chopper Extortion 17. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:55:20 PM EDT
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More likely, these are the Stingers and MANPADS that Obama and Hillary shipped to them in Syria from Benghazi. I've been waiting for them to show up. The administration is grasping the story that ISIS got them from the Iraqis in a desperate attempt to keep the truth suppressed. Very likely the truth right there. Captured is nothing more than a cover story. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:56:50 PM EDT
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How long till they have Abrams? You're kidding, of course. Given how many Iraq has, I'd bet ISIS already has some. 
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Posted: 6/16/2014 5:57:14 PM EDT
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Will a Stinger missile take out a commercial passenger jet? We're about to find out! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It can seriously fook one up. Pop a big bird right at take off and it will criple air travel for a very long time. |
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