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I finally could afford a life membership last year.
I just got my latest Amer. Rifleman today let's go thru a few articles. Lapieree's colum is about fighting the .50 cal. ban. Kayne Robinson article is about death by a thousand cut's, a warning from Europes gun owners. Next is a big article about S.397 Protection of lawful commerce act. After that, an article titled, "Only a .50 caliber ban?DON'T BELIEVE IT!" We have an article's on Enfield serial numbers, rifling types,Tactical folding Knives,The Springfield Armory .45 GAP,and Para-Ordnance PXT LTC pistol. So, I guess it's true, all the NRA cares about is hunting. |
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And what are you doing about it? A little thought. Without the NRA, the Clinton Gun Ban would have been permanent. FACT. Chew on that while you bitch about the NRA not doing enough. |
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well since i havent been able to afford a membership to this site yet.......I havent become an NRA member yet either.
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I am not yet...but I fully intend on becoming a life member very soon. I just want to make sure I get some of this debt paid off first.
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The NRA does do important stuff, but until they start getting rights back that were taken away under their watch I won't join.
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you mean like the assault weapon ban? |
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Why do some only equate the NRA with legislative issues? The NRA spends a shit load of money on all kinds of pro-gun activities. The Friends of the NRA is one hell of a program. There safety programs are also great. It's well worth the $35 or $25 with a coupon to join. If you feel the NRA isn't living up to your idea of the RKBA issues, then join and tell yourself the money is going to one of their many other programs.
As others have said, if you're a gun owner, then you should be an NRA member. If you're not a member, then you're just part of the problem. |
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Any excuse to blast Bill Ruger when NO ONE yet has presented any documented proof of what they say he did. I guess it fits, as this appears to be a "bash the NRA" thread anyway, let's just bash everything that we don't know anything about. |
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FloridaConfederate,
I read the article that refers to what you speak of. I believe it was posted by a South Carolina attorney. I understand your sentiment. In the scope of all legislation its just not that important right now. Lawsuit preemption and ccw are "that" important. I have no doubt that ILA will eventually get around to fixing ATF abuses. But, considering the potential impact of based on the political capital spent on legislation, Lawsuit preemption wins every time. For example, NRA has been the driving force behind the majority of CCW laws passed in the last ten years. I personaly did a legal review on the Ohio CCW legislation. It wasn't perfect but eventualy it will be. How many people has that helped compared to potentially fixing erronous ATF NFA prosecutions. If everyone was a NRA member we wouldn't have this discussion because we could get everything passed at once. Politics is all about "strategery," and currently we have some political capital to spend, what are we going to do with it? I hope that everyone took note of the NRA key note speakers during the last two conventions and their impact on firearms legislation over the last four years. |
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Well, that really explains a lot........................ |
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How about the JPFO? They seem pretty adamant about protecting our rights... though they don't get quite the publicity as the NRA. |
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I am a Life Member and proud of it.
They are the best thing going for all gun owners at the present time. |
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They don't get the publicity because they are like gnat spit in the ocean--completely insignificant, same as GOA. It's easy to "talk tough" when no one is listening. There is a reason the NRA is the "whipping boy" for our RKBA enemies--they are effective (no thanks to many here). Politics is purely a numbers game. It is truly shameful to have only four million NRA members out of 80 million gun owners. |
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This is the 3rd year of being a firearm owner( it took me 6yrs to de-brainwash myself because of all the anti-gun propoganda Britain pumps into your head), my 2nd year of being a member of the NRA and my 2nd year of being a member of the Ohio Gun Collectors Assc
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Exactly! 2 life members here in this house. Also members of GOA, JPFO, 2nd Amendments Sisters, NVCDL. |
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Yup, NRA member because some competitions require it. Also a member of USA Shooting and Utah Precision Marksmanship Society!
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TOTAL BULLSHIT. The nra endorses anti-gun politicions. Just how the hell do you expect to win like that? If they are so mighty, how come mike dewine from Ohio voted to renew the AWB, and now has co-sponsered a new one with fienstien AFTER the nra endorsed him. Yeah,,he`s REAL scared of the nra. You believers are dilusional. |
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Politicians aren't always honorable--and often go back on their word. Get a clue--while the rest of us carry the water for you. |
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Enemy,
Thank you for posting your comments in a respectful manner without flame. You are spot on with your view of the political process. However ,perhaps if you owned NFA items you might be concerned about the ATF having NO ACCOUNTABILITY for a) their sworn obligation to properly administer a tax collection/registration program b) the very registration which prevents you from becoming a felon because gov.org will/can not keep thier affairs in order Is there not value in demanding the agency charged with upholding the very laws the NRA folks are so proud to have wrangled are enforced with competency and consistency ? It is not because of financial reasons that the NRA turned(s) its back on the NFA community..it is because they will not associate themselves with machine guns, "silencers" and sawed off shotguns . That is why they sold us out in 1986. They then spun the outrageous reason (that has been regurgitaed in this very thread) that the legislation they agreed to was changed in the dead of night, made into law and they knew nothing of it, come on NRA. If the NRA did not either willfully compromise the MG ban to gain other provisions or at their explanation been asleep at the wheel, you realize you would be able to file a Form 1, get the required drilling fixtures and turn your non sear blocked AR to select fire in your own workshop ? Shall not be infringed ? If that doesnt piss you off just keep dining on what the NRA sees fit to feed you and for you to own. If you are a NRA member and you're not pushing the organization to, at a minimum, push for oversight into registry abuses, then you are part of the problem. But as long as you have your collapsible stock, bayo lug and flash supp everything is hunky dory. |
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I agree that the NRA usn't perfect but they are the only major voice that we have against organizations that want to take all of our guns away. I joined the NRA because I truly believe that they are the only reason we still have second amendment rights. It sucks that we have to fight to keep our rights, but look at other countries that didn't, and don't have the NRA. where are their guns?
You may not agree with everything the say, but seriously, if your not a member, I hope that you are fighting for our rights in other ways. Also, just joining the NRA doesn't do anything for our rights by itself. If you are a memebr you should be writing your politicians every chance you get. Everyone on here can write a couple of letters a week on a variety of issues. |
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lifer here
I know the have their flaws and are more "hunter" oriented but they are out only viable defense. they wont change their ways untill you join the fight and tell them what to fight for. |
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If the AWB had become permanent would it change your feelings about the org ?
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Just a couple of questions for those that don't belong and feel they don't need to.
Is the Eddie Eagle and other youth programs worth $35 a year from you? If not, how about all the programs for women shooters? If not, how about all the LEO Firearms training programs? If not, how about all the other firearms training programs? If none of the above are worth your money, then it sounds like you have the "me" syndrome. |
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You know what. You just made me want to join. |
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All of you who put down the NRA for not supporting EBR's should check out the new NRA.
They support our right to own EBR's They have a no compromise attitude. Join for a year and see for yourself. |
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Name them and show their anti-gun records. |
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Well look at the meadium you are holding. Easy to preach there. |
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NRA life here...
They are the reason we still have our guns... oh and yes, they are very supportive of EBR's.... |
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Proud Life Member of the NRA. I'm also a Life Member of the TSRA.
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Yeah your right. It is about the $35. (Actually its $25 now in the mail I get from the NRA)
Never mind the fact that the NRA compromised your rights away to OWN TRUE ASSAULT WEAPONS. then lied about it to cover their tracks. Thier support of "EBR's" is good enough. Never mind that the NRA refuses to lead or involve themselves with demanding oversight into the very agency charged with the Federal laws governing your precious EBRS. They will not even use thier legislative network to pave the way with individual Congressmen. WTF ? Yes it is about me me me and $35. Even though the very community affected by the NRA misdeeds, including myself...HAVE APPRECIATED IN MANY CASES OVER %700 INCREASE IN THE VALUE OF OUR REGISTERED ITEMS we still fight to remove the laws which would devalue our investment overnight so others and future generations can enjoy these freedoms. The Eagle, Women and LE programs, as great as they are, mean nothing until to your Constitutionally afforded rights are restored. And since we sing the praises of the new "no compromise" NRA. Please tell me about thier involvement on : BATF's "administrative interpretation" to prohibit the importation of firearm recievers ? How bout parts kits ? Barrels ? Any idea what the NRA is doing now that BATF is dicking around with legality of pistol manufacture from rifle recievers ? The answers would be NOTHING. You are still be being disarmed right under your nose, piece by piece, ADMINISTRATIVELY. Until the NRA will address these administrative abuses your rights are in a constant state of uncertaintity. THE NRA HAS NO INTEREST IN TAKING TO TASK THE ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIONS OF BATF. If there is a bonafide representative of the organization here who would like to stab at the answers we are seeking I would be happy to post or forward specifc questions with appropriate cites. |
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I think many other people have already stated that the NRA is not perfect. I don't agree with everything they do or don't do, but I'm still a life member. Why? Because I feel the other programs are worth my money and support. Others have also stated that changing the NRA has to be done within. Bitching about them on the computer isn't going to get that done. If we have more members that enjoy EBR, NFA items, and the like, it will help bring a positive change to the organization. Ideals are great to have, but it doesn't always get the job done. There are a lot of other RKBA groups out there that take more of a hardline stance. What have they done to fix the problems you keep mentioning? What have they done to keep new anti-gun laws and/or administrave BS from happening? You keep saying that are rights will be eroded away slowly. You're right, this will happen if everyone thinks that they are going do things by themselves. It is going to take a very large group of people to fight new laws and work to repeal the old ones. I'm willing to bet if we lose this fight, people who didn't want to join the NRA, will be saying where was the NRA and how come they didn't keep it from happening. My question will then be, where were you? |
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The BATF only has the regulatory authority to stop importation, etc. becasue of GCA 68 and some of the statutuory enactments of Clintons Executive orders. We can fight the BATF all we want but wihtout going after the enabling legislation nothing will happen. FOPA, while flawed, did correct a lot of the abuses of GCA 68. The threat right now isn't another assault weapons ban or importation. Its preventing the whole industry from being bankrupted by reckless lawsuits.
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How about all 60,000+ arfcom members join the NRA in a voting member status.
Do you think that would form a big enough voting bloc to get what we wanted? |
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You guys who say the we are just cheap who don't subscribe to the NRA are way wrong in your assumptions. There are many reasons why one wouldn't belong to the NRA.
I happen to disagree with many things they do and I WILL NOT SUPPORT an advocacy group who will repeatedly compromise on their sole reason for being, on a constant basis. It's just wrong. They sold me out when they rubber stamped the 1986 FOPA, they sold me out when they rubber stamped the 1994 ban. They sold me out when they forgave Smith and Wesson. I am really sorry, but I don't compromise on my beliefs - EVER. I expect the same by those who proport to represent me. If you sell me out, screw you and you can kiss my behind! I am not cheap, I have principles. Learn the difference. I told the NRA this exact thing when they called me yesterday. I refuse to support a group that will not support me. For the record, I have joined them from 1990-94, didn't renew after the ban. 1998-2000, got fed up with the S&W/Ruger fiasco. I also got way tired of all the BS mailing haunting me to give more and more money. Seems they could save several million in postage if they would just curtail the begging scheme. If you call me cheap, you are dead wrong. I did a monumental petition drive pre 1994 and wrote tons of letters to deaf/dumb lib/democrat reps who ruled NV at the time. The NRA also supported a known gun grabber dimwit (Harry Reid) for re-election over a lifetime NRA member who was running opposed to Reid, Jim Gibbons. Jim was a down to earth, gun rights supporter, the Commander of the Reno area NVANG and a hell of a nice guy. I worked on his election commitee. The NRA flat refused to support him over Harry Reid. It's just plain wrong. The NRA can screw off until they support all gun rights, not just the duck hunters and deer hunters. Maybe you guys who blindly follow the NRA should learn a little more about which you speak. Flame away! I played the game before. |
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Rtech do not challenge the reality of the flock.
Elmer Fudd gets his reality from American Rifleman Magazine and by attending NRA pep rallies. You are part of the unwashed NFA crowd. We sold you out in 1986. Nobody needs MG they are only used for killing. Please be happy you do not have to sign for .22 ammo and STFU. Please go away your issues are not important to us. Keychain bullets, challenge coins and scrambled egg bedecked hats are our focus. Now raise your M16, er em muzzeloader above your head and shout to the masses "Out of my cold dead hands". |
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Yep. I would be a lot better at renewing on time if it weren't for the fact that I know that a large chunk of the dues I send will simply be used to spam me. Because of this, I have been far more likely these past few years to send my dues to GOA instead. |
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Used to be in, now I'm out.
2 Big Reasons: 1) They give in constantly for what they call "the greater good". 2) They spent so much of my damn money soliciting me for more of my money, that I felt I was just paying to be contacted for more money. A vicious circle of donate, donate, donate, we need more money so we can ask you to donate some more. non-productive... MournSword |
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I see some people say that the NRA wastes money on magazines and other "things" that they send us. Have you ever read any of the NRA publications. They have many advertisers in there which pay for those magazines as well as generating money for the NRA. The reason they advertise is becasuse the NRA has so many members.
Here are a few things I would like to see happen though... 1) pass laws that repeal the AWB in the rest of the states that have them 2) pass laws that allow for the private ownership of military small arms |
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Well, at least some of you will be able to say that you didn't give into the NRA when you don't have any gun rights to worry about.
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OK, I belong to all three NRA, GOA, JPFO. My wife belong to SAS.
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Well, at least some of you are statisfied with whatever you can suckle from the teat of the NRA and see no need far stricter Consitituional protection. |
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