I've seen your picture.........you are big enough that I would worry you would have pulled her friggin' jaw OUT WITH THE TOOTH!!

I support Californias communist politics?

Have you quit beating your dog?

Believe it or not, there's actually a difference between electing to work for a lower wage and actually stealing money.

I know, odd concept, right?

I'd put it back, I swear!

I remember the first tooth on one of my daughters. She didn't want me to pull because it might hurt. I said well, let me look at it.....

BOOM, gone.

She never let me get close to her mouth again.

Well NO SHIT...........what are you about 6'6" and 250lbs?

For those of you who love government regulation, one of the biggest issues with it is that it can't differentiate between a handy man making a few extra bucks, a guy helping a friend, and a 200 million dollar construction company.

Government is a huge, indiscriminate sledge hammer.

Not quite 6'6".

You nailed the weight though!

True but why do I have sympathy for the pros like Timco who are getting undercut by people who don't follow the rules like he has to?

I don't know............seems a bit unfair to him.

So I can understand his frustration.

Absolutely I do. He's probably paid out of his ass to play the game the 'right' way.

I just get frustrated when people who've been in the game forget how hard it is for others to get in it too. Especially when they are proud of or embrace regulation.

At the least we can all agree that government regulation is bad, then go from there.

Unfortunately many in this thread seem to prefer government over personal responsibility.

Yes it IS a dilemma.

Sadly I don't have a real answer for it.

It was all over a matter of 85 dollars.

Not only blamed him but got OP to pay for it.

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I never read what you typed

How the fuck am I going to forget years and years of apprenticeship??

All the thousands spent on training and licensing. Insurance I've never used? Unemployment I can't legally collect? Workmans comp I've never used even when hurt??

Yeah, fuck me with that rusty rake for being a legit company.

It's the churches fault he's an ass...got it.

You can't and if regs are removed, reduced, etc., guys like you will be fucked over.

It would be like removing social security over time and people who paid the full amount will be getting screwed.

So Timco, the government fucked you (and other licensed contractors) over, how does demanding everyone else get screwed by the government help you? Doesn't it make a lot more sense to DEREGULATE? Sure it won't help you today, you have already done the apprenticeships, paid workers comp for years, ect. But look at the future, more freedom is always good. "I got screwed, so screw everyone else" isn't a mindset that breeds success now does it?

I didn't get screwed.

I don't want you messing with 1.5 mil BTU steam boilers or high pressure steam. I want regulation on some things. Explosive gas and pressure vessels and CO emitting stuff inside places where people live certainly make the cut for me. Not just because it's what I do.

I've never said word one about someone helping a neighbor for a few $ when it's their own trade or doing toilets and plugs / switches that any handy person can legally do here.

You're still missing the point.

Sounds like you didn't teach him very well..

 

I have to imagine there are a number of licensed contractors that also bid and repair hack jobs by unlicensed folks. You'd think they would refuse to fix the mess to teach the homeowners a lesson.


 

The lesson is taught when the homeowner gets a higher price to fix the screwup than they would have paid to have the pro do it right the first time.

Unless it kills the homeowner. Happens frequently enough in my field.

To becrazy, your point has been clear and is antagonistic.

Murica. Do what you want. Anything. Anytime. Anything less isn't "freedom".

So all you self pro claimed freedom lovers, do you drive without a license and insurance? I mean, if you are only driving around a few times a week, you don't really need it. Fuck the .gov!

Do you poach fish and game? I mean, fuck buying a license and tag! That's for suckers and I believe in freedom!

None of you probably have carry permits either.

A $15 CCW license is hardly comparable to the requirements imposed on an electrical contractor.

Even still, I don't support those regulations. Do you?

Participating is hardly the same thing as supporting. Timco does what we has to do in order to be legit. I got no beef with that.

Timco supporting and embracing the hand of big gov and all of the bullshit is what I got beef with.

I am not for regulation, but I am not going to be the outlaw. I am going to play by the rules.

That's where you and Tim are different. He LIKES the rules.

No, it's a terrible example. The government only has a few jobs. Protecting the borders is SPECIFICALLY written out in the constitution.

Well, most of are forced to. Myself included.

Then again, I have fixed stuff for friends before. I guess I'm an outlaw!

OP is acting as an unlicensed contractor. Here's a story from his state. I see something similar in his future. Making 75,000 a year on the side is not "making a few buck in spare time".

On March 31st, the Department of Consumer Protection notified Danbury Police of a complaint from an elderly Danbury resident who was having repair work done by employees of Connecticut Builders, and was being urged by company employees to install a chimney liner.
Upon visiting the resident’s home earlier in the day, Connecticut Builders employees Gary Roth, age 20, of Farmingdale, New York and Christopher Koharek, age 19, of Levittown, New York, inspected the home’s chimney and heating system. They then advised the 84 year-old homeowner that the chimney required a liner, and quoted the job at $1,675.00. The homeowner agreed and the men began the job immediately.
When questioned onsite by Danbury police, neither man was able to present a valid Connecticut home improvement contractor registration nor a salesman’s registration, as required by state law. The registration number they provided as Connecticut Builders’ actually belongs to Marc Anthony, an individually registered home improvement contractor.
Gary Roth was charged with one (1) count of criminal attempt at Larceny 2nd degree -- exploitation of the elderly, one (1) count of violating the Connecticut Home Improvement Act, one (1) count of violating the state’s Home Solicitation Sales Act, one (1) count of operating without a trade license and one (1) count of failure to obtain a building permit. Christopher Koharek was charged with one (1) count of conspiracy to perform work without a trade license and one (1) count of conspiracy for failing to obtain a building permit. Contractors or salespersons who operate without a valid registration or license can also be charged with other criminal violations that are applicable.
Commissioner Farrell thanked Danbury Police Chief Alan Baker and his officers for their assistance in this effort.
“We greatly appreciate the support of the Danbury police and other law enforcement officials who join us in ensuring that business in Connecticut is done fairly and legally,” Farrell said today. “Scam artists and unregistered or improperly licensed contractors be warned -- preying on consumers, particularly older adults, will not be tolerated and will be aggressively pursued.”

Strap on some criminal charges. You've already admitted you're guilty. -W

Only some DU implant makes a claim that because I agree regulation is needed in some trades that I'm for big gov or gun regulation of any kind or emission restrictions or whatever. He creates a 'blanket statement' when in fact he knows jack shit about me or my political beliefs.

Only a child would not be able to separate the two things. <sigh>

Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?  I dare you to say doctor, lawyer, engineer, nurse, IT guy....  anything where wages are protected by an arbitrary and artificial certification or licensing requirement.

Or a cop or a firefighter...

This may be good.

Construction is different though. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can do that.

Same as my 92 Toyota pickup with auto transmission. The trans plug is right on the bottom, the oil plug is at a awkward spot that I can only get a box end wrench on.

First time I tried to change my oil at 16 I drained the transmission instead of the oil per my dad's instruction.  Shit happens.  Haven't done it again.

wat?

A lot don't think much of friendship, I have dealt with people like that to.

References, certifications, experience, bonding and insurance.

How would anyone do it?

I said you like regulation. It's true.

I never claimed you held any other beliefs, I only said they were similar.

I hope you read and comprehend basic English better than you work.

I'm fine with wages being protected by arbitrary and artificial what-the-fuck-ever. As long as it's not the government doing the enforcing.

How fucking hard is this to comprehend?

You find the answers you seek here.

You are a troll. Now bash post wording when you don't have jack shit to whine about. Just bitch and whine and accuse. I'm at the top of my trade, pal. That's why I have no tolerance for unlicensed and uninsured hacks. You're in a deeeeep state of denial to how this really works, but many homemoaners just hate the gov and want to drag me into their piss party because I'm legit and complied. I don't sweat your dislike of my state license. It's ok. I'll renew it when it's time.

You are just sandy because you are clearly unable to comprehend the issue at hand.

I don't expect anything else from you.

You are really one insulting little poster, ain't you. I'll keep doing my job. Hope you're as good at yours.

Poke and troll someone else FFS. State your case or shut the fuck up already.