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Exactly.  

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Consider that they were are duped just like everybody else.

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Problem is that they still seem to be actively engaging in the duping too. Modifying and deleting threads isn't helping their cause.

 

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Yep looks like there closing the Gpal forum on Calguns so they can sweep this under the rug. There doing because Google is indexing every complaint over there and they don't want that so there closing it down. The question now is victims cannot be heard or seen...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=5137802#post5137802

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I dont think there will be any shortage of information of the web warning people away from GPal. Amazing that Kestryl still supports Cannon after all this.

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Here's a gem from Kes:



"Let me tell you this slower, maybe it will sink in that way.



I.. own.. Calguns.. which.. is hosted.. by.. Geovario.. the.. hosting.. company.. Ben.. owns.



I.. am.. on.. the.. Board.. of.. Directors.. of.. CGF.



I.. am.. also.. on.. the.. Gunpal.. Board.. of.. advisors.



Look.. at.. this.. webpage.. on.. gunpal.net.. https://www.gunpal.net/gp?req=about



Scroll.. down.. to.. the.. name.. Paul.. T... Nordberg.. that.. is.. me.





Paul Nordberg, Owner, Calguns.net.

Paul T. Nordberg is the Founder, Owner and Director of Calguns, Inc who owns and operates the webforums at http://www.calguns.net/





I.. know.. Ben.. Cannon.. personally.



Are.. you.. getting.. it.. now??"



Yep...no connection at all between CGN,CGF & Gpal

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Just for curiosities sake, I checked the payment methods for contributing to CGN.  Guess what, gpal is still an accepted payment method.



Even with all the crap that Ben Canon and gpal have caused over at calguns, they are still using them as a payment service.



I'm sorry, but something sure does have a malodorous funk over there.

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<a href="http://www.luxury4play.com/members/allyson.html" target="_blank">http://www.luxury4play.com/avatars/allyson.gif?dateline=1245660671</a>

Allysonhttp://www.luxury4play.com/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif Senior Member

Join Date: May 2009 Location: Newport Coast Posts: 1,067

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So, is Allyson the hooker that Ben has been spending everyone's money on?

 

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As far as the Gpal moniker stuck on the email footer, that is indeed some unfortunate file residue and Kestryll

is fixing that. It's part of the email blast system that was set up some time ago.  Sometimes when you're an all-

volunteer org little administriva things slip up.  



In no way has Ben Cannon been part of CGF since beginning of year, and concerns about GPs operations

(and certainly lack of speed/communications) were expressed apparently without their being digested and

esp as early teething pains (which would be understandable in a startup) seem to have become of a different

nature later in the year, or at least the entire lack of friggin' communication has made it seem that way.





-Bill

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So, is Allyson the hooker that Ben has been spending everyone's money on?
 

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So, is Allyson the hooker that Ben has been spending everyone's money on?

 

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Looks like she's a lawyer.

glasscocckglasscockandmullins.com



http://glasscockglasscockandmullins.com/default.aspx

The L4P admin team has been evaluating the complaints and talking to GPAL and also other members involved. We are not here to judge, take sides or pass judgement. Obviously GPAL at this time needs to deal with issues at hand and address the issues their customers have with how they have been handling their accounts. Currently and until further evaluation we would like to thank them for their support but they are no longer sponsors of this community.
thanks
raw/admin

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Kestryll at Calguns has locked the last thread in the gpal forum and has said that the he will remove the gpal vendor forum by 6:00 pm pacific time today.



More covering Ben's ass?



Something sure does stink over there.

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Good job calling them out over there at Calguns.net but your threads going to get locked.  

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The Ben Bio on L4P does say he is an owner of Calguns.net.......





 

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I bet she could suck start a diesel truck...
 

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Good job calling them out over there at Calguns.net but your threads going to get locked.  

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So I did some homework on what it would take to start up a company like the "Pals".

Very interesting findings... It's not that Visa and Mastercard hate firearms in general, they hate "Payment Aggregators" more. The business model has very high risk of fraud and charge backs so 99.9999% of merchant service providers will flat out tell you HELL NO when applying. I think GPal might have misstated their business purpose in order to get the merchant and ACH accounts and then got slapped with fees, jacked up rates, reserves and fines from Visa (Which is where the money went).

They're most likely trying to recoup the losses and get back on their feet, Peter vs. Paul while paying off fines at the same time. There's a reason why there are very few Paypal's in business, the rest of the guys go offshore to European Banks.

Here's a brief article on the situation with Aggregators... http://www.braintreepaymentsolutions.com/blog/high-risk-mechant-account-third-party-payments-aggregation

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Its a bottomless pit. Just think the OLL movement was going on Waaaaay before Ben Cannon posted his letter. In fact I know it was happening right after the ban people were cutting off there pistol grip or leaving them off etc to be complaint. All Ben did when he heard about it was write a letter and got a confirmation from DOJ (No biggie if you follow the law you don't need a letter) Then after the letter he posted it to the masses (people who didn't know) and it took off from there so he really didn't start the OLL movement like he says he did it was going on many years before it just wasn't talked about openly on the internet....


 

if you have money owed

Passalacqua, Mazzoni, Gladden, Lopez & Maraviglia, LLP
1201 Vine Street, Suite 200, Healdsburg, California 95448-4838
TEL 707-433-3363 · FAX 707-433-3606

Dear Mr. Gladden,

It was a pleasure speaking with you this morning regarding legal proceedings against GPal, Inc. formerly known as gunpal.com

GPal Company Information
Gpal, Inc
1083 Vine Street # 215
Healdsburg, CA 95448-4830 map
Phone: (650) 472-4019
Contact: Ben Cannon, CEO

GPal, Inc is acting as a credit card processing company for the firearms industry. Vendors and retailers use GPal, Inc as their credit card processing company, allowing them to accept credit card payments for goods and services purchased over the internet or at a retail location. For this service, GPal charges a service fee of approximately 3%. Once GPal has received payment from the buyer, they will subtract their processing fee and electronically transfer the funds to the clients bank account, which has been electronically verified when a new client signs up for the service.

I have attached copies of receipts for transactions indicating their completion. The documentation has a transaction number, amount of transfer, date of transfer and verification of transfer. Each of the documents attached is a request by my corporation instructing GPal to transfer funds into my account. None of these transactions has been completed and no refunds have been requested by my corporation. The total owed to my corporation is $1544.20. This amount has already been discounted the 3% (approx.) fee that GPal charges its clients.

I have contacted several individuals who are under the same predicament and advised them that I will initiate legal proceedings against Gpal, Inc. I am awaiting confirmation to verify if they would like to join in the proceedings and share legal expenses. I will wait until Thursday to inform you if any other individual or corporations will be joining in the suit.

This letter is authorizing your firm to initiate contact with GPal, Inc for the purposes of collecting funds owed to this corporation as well as possible additional compensation for legal fees, interest and lost revenue. Please wait until Thursday to begin the process, allowing any interested party to join this case. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at
_____________________________________________.

Best Regards,

Victor Lavalle
President/CEO
Lavalle Enterprises, Inc

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look  Ben Cannon in California up here:

www.spokeo.com

I made a few phone calls and got my $.

just an fyi.

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Yep, the GPal vendor forum on CGN is closed.  

Fucking fuckers.  I'll just have to keep opening cases on GPal weekly.

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Not according to the bio on Ben at the Luxury 4 Play web site:


Mr. Cannon is  an Owner and Director of Calguns, Inc who owns and operates the web forums at Calguns.net

Mr. Cannon is also the Treasurer and Director at The Calguns Foundation, a non-profit Legal Defense and Education foundation. Mr. Cannon's duties include management of the Foundation's entire Endowment Fund.  <––––––––––––––  WTF!  You'd better check your bank account.


Is the Ben bio true?


 

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Kestryll was damned if he kept it open.  People were bitching that he was allowing gpal to push support off to a 3rd party forum and keep the gpal internal forum clear.  now he's damned for closing it.  In either case, people are gonna be upset with him.

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Its a bottomless pit. Just think the OLL movement was going on Waaaaay before Ben Cannon posted his letter. In fact I know it was happening right after the ban people were cutting off there pistol grip or leaving them off etc to be complaint. All Ben did when he heard about it was write a letter and got a confirmation from DOJ (No biggie if you follow the law you don't need a letter) Then after the letter he posted it to the masses (people who didn't know) and it took off from there so he really didn't start the OLL movement like he says he did it was going on many years before it just wasn't talked about openly on the internet....
 

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I work in IT and do systems administration.  I understand the additional load that must have been incurred with many people joining the forums and bombing the vendor subforum.  

However, that's the pain that comes with being associated with such a douchebag businessman like Cannon.   Were I running that forum, I'd be telling Cannon he needs to give me more hardware/bandwidth, and be up front with my forum members.

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I doubt it was the server load that made Kestryll decide to close it.  It was people across multiple forums bitching that by allowing Gpal to continue to host its support forum on CGN (with moderation rights like any other vendor has), that it was smearing CGN across the internet.  Those people were demanding that Paul close down the GP-subforum so that CGN would stop getting caught up in GP's mess.  They were saying that by closing the gp subforum and making people go ot the gp internal forum for support, that it would somehow be better.
Now that he did that, other people are bitching that by closing the GP subforum, he is somehow facilitating GP in a cover up.  damned if he did, damned if he did't. Unfortunately allowing the gp subforum to stay on CGN as long as it did created a lot of drama that should not have been at CGN in the first place.

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Kestryll is as good piece of shit as Ben himself.Once he realized DA investigation is for real, he's trying to distance calguns from Ben. hosting Gpal CS on galguns instead og Gpal own forums,was a way he helped Ben rope in more victims.He definitely is a fucking fucker

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While reading about the raffles I saw that Kestryll said he kept some of the money that was "donated" for server equipment/leases etc...to buy himself a few guns. I wonder how that works both legally and tax wise.

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Where did you see this?

 

kestryll
What money was coming in went to things like paying vBulletin licensing fees, domain name registrations and renewals (I have nearly every extension of 'calguns.xxx locked down), paying for the hosting for calguns.org which is on a non-Geovario server just in case, fronting and covering the hosting costs of the So Cal dinner a couple of years ago, airfare and hotel costs for NRA Conventions and such, buying each of the Mods knives with their screen names on them, buying things like knives to donate to the NRA Members Council dinners in Calguns' name and frankly I bought a Ruger .22 and 2 handguns.