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Posted: 11/26/2015 7:23:34 AM EDT
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Trump supporters are literally the lowest of the 'low information voter.' Every time I hear somebody say something stupid like "Donald fucking Trump is the only one that can make America great again, I just scream to myself: "LEARN HISTORY, MOTHER FUCKERS*." A) HE'S NOT A FUCKING CONSERVATIVE BY ANY MEANINGFUL DEFINITION OF THE WORD -- HE'S A SHITBAG, NEW YORK LIBERAL. b) HE CAN'T AND WONT WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. c) The same people cheering for Trump right now are the EXACT same types of people.....actually, fuck, I digress. I really hope we don't have to have that conversation in the future. *I'm not calling anyone here a mother fucker. Yup. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 7:42:30 AM EDT
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I smell neocon money.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 7:54:54 AM EDT
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"GOP Leaders" can go fuck themselves. Frankly, I think it's time for the "grand old party" to be put down, like the mangy dog it has become. We need a NEW NAME, a NEW FACE. The establishment needs to retire, or just fucking DIE. They NO LONGER MATTER. They ARE the fucking DNC in a three piece suit. I like the name "Tea Party". It has a nice 1776ish ring to it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Has Trump chosen uniforms yet? http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/25/new-stop-trump-campaign-hes-nazi/ He's a cronyist charlatan and huckster who'll evict little old ladies so he can build limo parking lots like some kind of Dickinsonian caricature of an evil businessman, but calling him a Nazi is just silly. Again, it's not my term and term wasn't Nazi. It was FASCIST. There's a difference, you know (or, maybe, you don't know). And, it was said by GOP leaders. Something's up. LF "GOP Leaders" can go fuck themselves. Frankly, I think it's time for the "grand old party" to be put down, like the mangy dog it has become. We need a NEW NAME, a NEW FACE. The establishment needs to retire, or just fucking DIE. They NO LONGER MATTER. They ARE the fucking DNC in a three piece suit. I like the name "Tea Party". It has a nice 1776ish ring to it. Hillary 2016!!!! 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 10:26:08 AM EDT
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Trump supporters are literally the lowest of the 'low information voter.' Every time I hear somebody say something stupid like "Donald fucking Trump is the only one that can make America great again, I just scream to myself: "LEARN HISTORY, MOTHER FUCKERS*." A) HE'S NOT A FUCKING CONSERVATIVE BY ANY MEANINGFUL DEFINITION OF THE WORD -- HE'S A SHITBAG, NEW YORK LIBERAL. b) HE CAN'T AND WONT WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. c) The same people cheering for Trump right now are the EXACT same types of people.....actually, fuck, I digress. I really hope we don't have to have that conversation in the future. *I'm not calling anyone here a mother fucker. Yup. Like minds think alike. 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 10:30:50 AM EDT
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Nationalism plus socialism has been a defining trait of the USG for nearly a century, so this sounds like business as usual.
To be fair, voters are the epitome of low-information people. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 10:40:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2015 10:52:21 AM EDT
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Trump supporters are literally the lowest of the 'low information voter.' Every time I hear somebody say something stupid like "Donald fucking Trump is the only one that can make America great again, I just scream to myself: "LEARN HISTORY, MOTHER FUCKERS*." A) HE'S NOT A FUCKING CONSERVATIVE BY ANY MEANINGFUL DEFINITION OF THE WORD -- HE'S A SHITBAG, NEW YORK LIBERAL. b) HE CAN'T AND WONT WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. c) The same people cheering for Trump right now are the EXACT same types of people.....actually, fuck, I digress. I really hope we don't have to have that conversation in the future. *I'm not calling anyone here a mother fucker. Yup. I don't think it is a matter of being a low information voter. For me, what I see in your typical Trump supporter has a consistency with the Obama voter in 2008. I'm obviously not saying that they are liberal. The adoration of their candidate does have some similarities: 1. The past doesn't matter. Obama voters didn't care to vet Obama. They didn't care about Bill Ayers, his academic records, his racist writings in his books, drug use, etc. They only cared that he was Obama. He was different. Trump voters know Trump's past but they don't care either. Trump is a man with no political conviction whatsoever. He has changed political parties on average about every 2.5 years. He has a laundry list of liberal beliefs and support that would have doomed any other candidate. But they only care that he's Trump. He's different 2. Words matter. With Obama, he promised to halt the rising seas of climate change, and promised everything a liberal could ever want. It didn't matter to the Obama voter whether he could actually do it. The Trump voter either believes the outlandish promises that Trump makes or support him merely because he says them. The end result doesn't matter. He's saying something no one else is. 3. The defense of their candidate. Obama supporters had a shield that was used with every criticism of their candidate. If you don't agree, you must be a racist. They never argued the merits of the position, only attacked the one who dared question Obama and his policies. The exact same thing happens here with Trump's most strident supporters. Any analytical criticism of Trump or his positions is met with the inevitable response which includes "Hillary (or Jeb Supporter)" or "GOPe shill". |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 10:53:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWho was it that won the race between the turtle and the hare? |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 10:55:51 AM EDT
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Did I already say I heard he ate a baby? If not, I heard he ate a baby
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Posted: 11/26/2015 11:15:06 AM EDT
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Did I already say I heard he ate a baby? If not, I heard he ate a baby I heard it was a half black/half asian/half indian female baby that self identifies as a transgender feminist muslim jew that is crippled by every trendy diseas |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 11:19:37 AM EDT
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Did I already say I heard he ate a baby? If not, I heard he ate a baby That's okay since it's not you who actually said that he ate a baby. All you are doing is disseminating the idea by means of the intellectual dodge that you heard that someone else said it. Big difference...........not really. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 11:26:42 AM EDT
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Trump's wife is hot, your argument is invalid  |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 11:37:51 AM EDT
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I see the !Heb loving asshats are out in force.
So, if you like Trump, you are a Hillary supporter, an Obama voter, a low information dumbass, a racist, a fascist...did I miss anything?
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Posted: 11/26/2015 11:41:51 AM EDT
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I see the !Heb loving asshats are out in force. So, if you like Trump, you are a Hillary supporter, an Obama voter, a low information dumbass, a racist, a fascist...did I miss anything? Who said that anyone that likes Trump is an Obama voter? |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 11:51:24 AM EDT
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I see the !Heb loving asshats are out in force. So, if you like Trump, you are a Hillary supporter, an Obama voter, a low information dumbass, a racist, a fascist...did I miss anything? Nope, I think you included most of the arrogant, condescending bullshit spewed by the "works down at the car wash crowd". 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 11:52:10 AM EDT
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The ones who are actually going to get The Hildebeast elected are the establishment Republicans.
I'm not sure who is running the Republican party now, but I'm becoming more and more convinced they are Democrat imbeds. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 11:53:26 AM EDT
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Jeb 2016! Stfu 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:19:15 PM EDT
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Seems like the title to this thread just changed. Imagine that. what was the original title. And boy does OP seem "familiar" |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:20:36 PM EDT
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I don't think it is a matter of being a low information voter. For me, what I see in your typical Trump supporter has a consistency with the Obama voter in 2008. I'm obviously not saying that they are liberal. The adoration of their candidate does have some similarities: 1. The past doesn't matter. Obama voters didn't care to vet Obama. They didn't care about Bill Ayers, his academic records, his racist writings in his books, drug use, etc. They only cared that he was Obama. He was different. Trump voters know Trump's past but they don't care either. Trump is a man with no political conviction whatsoever. He has changed political parties on average about every 2.5 years. He has a laundry list of liberal beliefs and support that would have doomed any other candidate. But they only care that he's Trump. He's different 2. Words matter. With Obama, he promised to halt the rising seas of climate change, and promised everything a liberal could ever want. It didn't matter to the Obama voter whether he could actually do it. The Trump voter either believes the outlandish promises that Trump makes or support him merely because he says them. The end result doesn't matter. He's saying something no one else is. 3. The defense of their candidate. Obama supporters had a shield that was used with every criticism of their candidate. If you don't agree, you must be a racist. They never argued the merits of the position, only attacked the one who dared question Obama and his policies. The exact same thing happens here with Trump's most strident supporters. Any analytical criticism of Trump or his positions is met with the inevitable response which includes "Hillary (or Jeb Supporter)" or "GOPe shill". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trump supporters are literally the lowest of the 'low information voter.' Every time I hear somebody say something stupid like "Donald fucking Trump is the only one that can make America great again, I just scream to myself: "LEARN HISTORY, MOTHER FUCKERS*." A) HE'S NOT A FUCKING CONSERVATIVE BY ANY MEANINGFUL DEFINITION OF THE WORD -- HE'S A SHITBAG, NEW YORK LIBERAL. b) HE CAN'T AND WONT WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. c) The same people cheering for Trump right now are the EXACT same types of people.....actually, fuck, I digress. I really hope we don't have to have that conversation in the future. *I'm not calling anyone here a mother fucker. Yup. I don't think it is a matter of being a low information voter. For me, what I see in your typical Trump supporter has a consistency with the Obama voter in 2008. I'm obviously not saying that they are liberal. The adoration of their candidate does have some similarities: 1. The past doesn't matter. Obama voters didn't care to vet Obama. They didn't care about Bill Ayers, his academic records, his racist writings in his books, drug use, etc. They only cared that he was Obama. He was different. Trump voters know Trump's past but they don't care either. Trump is a man with no political conviction whatsoever. He has changed political parties on average about every 2.5 years. He has a laundry list of liberal beliefs and support that would have doomed any other candidate. But they only care that he's Trump. He's different 2. Words matter. With Obama, he promised to halt the rising seas of climate change, and promised everything a liberal could ever want. It didn't matter to the Obama voter whether he could actually do it. The Trump voter either believes the outlandish promises that Trump makes or support him merely because he says them. The end result doesn't matter. He's saying something no one else is. 3. The defense of their candidate. Obama supporters had a shield that was used with every criticism of their candidate. If you don't agree, you must be a racist. They never argued the merits of the position, only attacked the one who dared question Obama and his policies. The exact same thing happens here with Trump's most strident supporters. Any analytical criticism of Trump or his positions is met with the inevitable response which includes "Hillary (or Jeb Supporter)" or "GOPe shill". When someone comes in and posts about what the leaders of the Republican party say, and count Kasich as one of them...
That spells some sort of GOPe shill...cause no one is more out of touch with the base and the people than the Republican leadership, and Kasich is a RINO shitbag... |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:22:18 PM EDT
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I'll admit that I believe some things that Trump says remind me of my studies long ago which spelled out what Mussolini said on his way to power. But I've not called him a Fascist only to be polite. Tonight I listened to some of the leaders of the Republican party use that word to describe Trump, including Kasich. There were others too. It seems that the grown-ups in the GOP are realizing what I realized some months ago...a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary. OH MY GOD...HILLARY AS PRESIDENT. Give that some thought. I think he'll doom us to Hillary for 8 years. OMG. Best, LF once they empeach the current facist they can talk until then F GOPe |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:28:05 PM EDT
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I see the !Heb loving asshats are out in force. So, if you like Trump, you are a Hillary supporter, an Obama voter, a low information dumbass, a racist, a fascist...did I miss anything? Wait until he wins the nomination and they have to support Trump because they signed that fucktarded "Pledge". Hilarity will ensue |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:50:20 PM EDT
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Bernie Sanders has as much chance at winning as Trump.
Both have pledged to tripple the Orwellian state. We're fucked either way. Bernie/Trump2016 Vote for the Orwellian state |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:21:19 PM EDT
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Hopefully Trump will hang on long enough to keep most of the heat off Cruz, then. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cruz 2016. No one cares what the establishment thinks. Trump/Carson/Cruz are the focus of the GOP electorate right now... and the establishment hates all three. That alone says it all. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the GOPe has been toppled, not by a long shot... Those fuckers never give up...but they are flailing on the precipice of a bottomless pit of irrelevance. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yup. And if the Establishment manages to destroy Trump, Cruz will be next, then Carson. Absolute fact. Trump is Hitler, Cruz is Pinochet and Carson is Idi Amin. Or so the GOPe will tell us. Hopefully Trump will hang on long enough to keep most of the heat off Cruz, then. The GOPe won't stop destroying non-GOPe candidates after the primary. They'll keep doing it right up to next November. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 4:19:13 PM EDT
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After the total betrayal from the GOP I have no faith or interest in what they have
to say about the front running Rep. Fuck them and the Jeb Bush they rode in on! |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 7:42:38 PM EDT
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I'm not the one calling him a Fascist. I'm pointing out that the GOP leadership is. THAT'S IMPORTANT!!!! I think they realize that he's less and less electable the more he runs his mouth. Look rabble rousing makes the rabble feel good. But it also emboldens the opposition. THINK!!!! LF Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll admit that I believe some things that Trump says remind me of my studies long ago which spelled out what Mussolini said on his way to power. But I've not called him a Fascist only to be polite. Tonight I listened to some of the leaders of the Republican party use that word to describe Trump, including Kasich. There were others too. It seems that the grown-ups in the GOP are realizing what I realized some months ago...a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary. OH MY GOD...HILLARY AS PRESIDENT. Give that some thought. I think he'll doom us to Hillary for 8 years. OMG. Best, LF So much information in the OPs post OP GTFO is that you JEB  I'm not the one calling him a Fascist. I'm pointing out that the GOP leadership is. THAT'S IMPORTANT!!!! I think they realize that he's less and less electable the more he runs his mouth. Look rabble rousing makes the rabble feel good. But it also emboldens the opposition. THINK!!!! LF Lol, the same GOP leadership that thought mcstain and Romney were electable? Fuck off jeb. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:15:42 PM EDT
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I see the !Heb loving asshats are out in force. So, if you like Trump, you are a Hillary supporter, an Obama voter, a low information dumbass, a racist, a fascist...did I miss anything? Aren't you the guy saying if you dislike Trump then it must be because you love Jeb!? Pot .... meet kettle. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:18:22 PM EDT
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Aren't you the guy saying if you dislike Trump then it must be because you love Jeb!? Pot .... meet kettle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see the !Heb loving asshats are out in force. So, if you like Trump, you are a Hillary supporter, an Obama voter, a low information dumbass, a racist, a fascist...did I miss anything? Aren't you the guy saying if you dislike Trump then it must be because you love Jeb!? Pot .... meet kettle. Easy there, Dan. One of the prerequisites of supporting Trump is high degree of hypocrisy. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:21:10 PM EDT
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Remember Reagan was a liberal until he got smart.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:22:18 PM EDT
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Remember Reagan was a liberal until he got smart. Yeah. 15 YEARS before he became President. In that same amount of time, Trump has switched his party affiliation 6 TIMES |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:37:37 PM EDT
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Remember Reagan was a liberal until he got smart. Reagan was a Democrat but he was never a liberal. Younger readers probably don't understand this, but there was a time when there was such a thing as a "Conservative Democrat". Reagan was a conservative Democrat, but he could see that the conservative wing of the party was being marginalized. He left in the late 1950s. By the 1970s the Democrat party had almost been purged and by the late 1980s the last holdouts had either died or retired. Zell Miller of Georgia was one of the last of that now dead breed. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:59:58 PM EDT
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Reagan was a Democrat but he was never a liberal. 
Revisionist History isn't just for Democrats. Reagan, in his own autobiography Where's the Rest of Me? describes his young self as a proud Liberal Democrat, voting for FDR four times. He then goes on to describe himself as a Classic Liberal even into his Presidency. In his own words, he was at one time “a near hopeless hemophiliac liberal.” Stop making shit up to attack Trump. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:02:37 PM EDT
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Revisionist History isn't just for Democrats. Reagan, in his own autobiography Where's the Rest of Me? describes his young self as a proud Liberal Democrat, voting for FDR four times. He then goes on to describe himself as a Classic Liberal even into his Presidency. In his own words, he was at one time “a near hopeless hemophiliac liberal.” Stop making shit up to attack Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Reagan was a Democrat but he was never a liberal.
Revisionist History isn't just for Democrats. Reagan, in his own autobiography Where's the Rest of Me? describes his young self as a proud Liberal Democrat, voting for FDR four times. He then goes on to describe himself as a Classic Liberal even into his Presidency. In his own words, he was at one time “a near hopeless hemophiliac liberal.” Stop making shit up to attack Trump. I hope most of us here describe ourselves as a "Classic Liberal". |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:03:09 PM EDT
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Revisionist History isn't just for Democrats. Reagan, in his own autobiography Where's the Rest of Me? describes his young self as a proud Liberal Democrat, voting for FDR four times. He then goes on to describe himself as a Classic Liberal even into his Presidency. In his own words, he was at one time “a near hopeless hemophiliac liberal.” Stop making shit up to attack Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Reagan was a Democrat but he was never a liberal.
Revisionist History isn't just for Democrats. Reagan, in his own autobiography Where's the Rest of Me? describes his young self as a proud Liberal Democrat, voting for FDR four times. He then goes on to describe himself as a Classic Liberal even into his Presidency. In his own words, he was at one time “a near hopeless hemophiliac liberal.” Stop making shit up to attack Trump. You have to go back to the 1930's and 1940's to show Reagan was a "Proud Liberal"? That'll show 'em 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:12:50 PM EDT
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Revisionist History isn't just for Democrats. Reagan, in his own autobiography Where's the Rest of Me? describes his young self as a proud Liberal Democrat, voting for FDR four times. He then goes on to describe himself as a Classic Liberal even into his Presidency. In his own words, he was at one time “a near hopeless hemophiliac liberal.” Stop making shit up to attack Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Reagan was a Democrat but he was never a liberal.
Revisionist History isn't just for Democrats. Reagan, in his own autobiography Where's the Rest of Me? describes his young self as a proud Liberal Democrat, voting for FDR four times. He then goes on to describe himself as a Classic Liberal even into his Presidency. In his own words, he was at one time “a near hopeless hemophiliac liberal.” Stop making shit up to attack Trump. Look at Reagan's positions as a Democrat - Strongly anti-communist. As the head of the screen actors guild he did his damnests to get the communist out of Hollywood. He was socially conservative. I think Reagan is being a bit hard on himself or stressing a point. And certainly "liberal" didn't mean in 1950 what it means today. The fact remains, as the Democrat party lurched left, Reagan left the party. Your boy Trump was saying "I probably identify more as Democrat" only 10 years ago, decades after the last conservatives had been purged from the Democrat party. To say that Trump's break from the Democrats some time *after* 2004 (as of 2011 Trump had donated more to Democrats than Republicans) is anything like Reagan's leaving the Democrats in 1962 is utter horseshit. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:12:52 PM EDT
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I hope most of us here describe ourselves as a "Classic Liberal". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Reagan was a Democrat but he was never a liberal.
Revisionist History isn't just for Democrats. Reagan, in his own autobiography Where's the Rest of Me? describes his young self as a proud Liberal Democrat, voting for FDR four times. He then goes on to describe himself as a Classic Liberal even into his Presidency. In his own words, he was at one time “a near hopeless hemophiliac liberal.” Stop making shit up to attack Trump. I hope most of us here describe ourselves as a "Classic Liberal". But he wasn't always a "classic Liberal". He started out as a bleeding heart, pro-price-control, tax-the-1%, Occupy-Hollywood, FDR supporting modern Liberal. In his own words: 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:16:06 PM EDT
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But he wasn't always a "classic Liberal". He started out as a bleeding heart, pro-price-control, tax-the-1%, Occupy-Hollywood, FDR supporting modern Liberal. In his own words:  http://youtu.be/e3O-szw3Tx4Seriously, man. You have to pull an audio recording from 1948? You may have a point if he was saying the same stuff in 1978 |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:19:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well considering how utterly fucking inept they have been over the years I think it's a safe bet to do the exact fucking opposite of whatever the fuck they are saying. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'll admit that I believe some things that Trump says remind me of my studies long ago which spelled out what Mussolini said on his way to power. But I've not called him a Fascist only to be polite. Tonight I listened to some of the leaders of the Republican party use that word to describe Trump, including Kasich. There were others too. It seems that the grown-ups in the GOP are realizing what I realized some months ago...a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary. OH MY GOD...HILLARY AS PRESIDENT. Give that some thought. I think he'll doom us to Hillary for 8 years. OMG. Best, LF So much information in the OPs post OP GTFO is that you JEB I'm not the one calling him a Fascist. I'm pointing out that the GOP leadership is. THAT'S IMPORTANT!!!! LF Well considering how utterly fucking inept they have been over the years I think it's a safe bet to do the exact fucking opposite of whatever the fuck they are saying. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:19:32 PM EDT
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But he wasn't always a "classic Liberal". He started out as a bleeding heart, pro-price-control, tax-the-1%, Occupy-Hollywood, FDR supporting modern Liberal. In his own words: http://youtu.be/e3O-szw3Tx4Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Reagan was a Democrat but he was never a liberal.
Revisionist History isn't just for Democrats. Reagan, in his own autobiography Where's the Rest of Me? describes his young self as a proud Liberal Democrat, voting for FDR four times. He then goes on to describe himself as a Classic Liberal even into his Presidency. In his own words, he was at one time “a near hopeless hemophiliac liberal.” Stop making shit up to attack Trump. I hope most of us here describe ourselves as a "Classic Liberal". But he wasn't always a "classic Liberal". He started out as a bleeding heart, pro-price-control, tax-the-1%, Occupy-Hollywood, FDR supporting modern Liberal. In his own words: http://youtu.be/e3O-szw3Tx4And your man Trump was describing himself as a Democrat 11 years ago. And as of 5 years ago he had donated more money to Democrats than Republicans. If Trump finally saw the light sometime after 2011, then bravo. But he's a fucking slow learner. And given the frequency with which he has flipped positions, I don't want that guy in the White House. He may have another epiphany. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:21:46 PM EDT
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But he wasn't always a "classic Liberal". He started out as a bleeding heart, pro-price-control, tax-the-1%, Occupy-Hollywood, FDR supporting modern Liberal. In his own words: http://youtu.be/e3O-szw3Tx4Seriously, man. You have to pull an audio recording from 1948? You may have a point if he was saying the same stuff in 1978 So, you guys made factually incorrect statements about Reagan (I will be kind by not using the word "lying"), and now you're moving the goalposts and saying your statements were true in spirit, because they were kind of true, for a few years of Reagan's life... Sounds like the defense a liberal would make. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:22:26 PM EDT
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You have to go back to the 1930's and 1940's to show Reagan was a "Proud Liberal"? That'll show 'em Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Reagan was a Democrat but he was never a liberal.
Revisionist History isn't just for Democrats. Reagan, in his own autobiography Where's the Rest of Me? describes his young self as a proud Liberal Democrat, voting for FDR four times. He then goes on to describe himself as a Classic Liberal even into his Presidency. In his own words, he was at one time “a near hopeless hemophiliac liberal.” Stop making shit up to attack Trump. You have to go back to the 1930's and 1940's to show Reagan was a "Proud Liberal"? That'll show 'em So the past only matters when talking about trump? As far as the obama voter goes, someone above mentioned that we are like his supporters. I know reading can be difficult so I'll give you the benefit. Trump 2016 |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:24:03 PM EDT
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Remember Reagan was a liberal until he got smart. Yeah. 15 YEARS before he became President. In that same amount of time, Trump has switched his party affiliation 6 TIMES But it was around 2 years before his speech in support of Goldwater which brought him to attention of the electorate as a Republican and it was less then 4 years before he ran as a republican for the Governorship of California. but let us not let those little facts get in the way. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:26:10 PM EDT
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So the past only matters when talking about trump? As far as the obama voter goes, someone above mentioned that we are like his supporters. I know reading can be difficult so I'll give you the benefit. Trump 2016 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Reagan was a Democrat but he was never a liberal.
Revisionist History isn't just for Democrats. Reagan, in his own autobiography Where's the Rest of Me? describes his young self as a proud Liberal Democrat, voting for FDR four times. He then goes on to describe himself as a Classic Liberal even into his Presidency. In his own words, he was at one time “a near hopeless hemophiliac liberal.” Stop making shit up to attack Trump. You have to go back to the 1930's and 1940's to show Reagan was a "Proud Liberal"? That'll show 'em So the past only matters when talking about trump? As far as the obama voter goes, someone above mentioned that we are like his supporters. I know reading can be difficult so I'll give you the benefit. Trump 2016 I'll tell you what. I'll give Trump a pass on any liberal views he had in 1980. Trump's liberal views certainly matter when he had them as recently as the last Presidential election And yes, there are similarities between Trump supporters and Obama supporters but it was never said that they shared political ideology. perhaps you should read the post again |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:28:31 PM EDT
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So, you guys made factually incorrect statements about Reagan (I will be kind by not using the word "lying"), and now you're moving the goalposts and saying your statements were true in spirit, because they were kind of true, for a few years of Reagan's life... Sounds like the defense a liberal would make. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But he wasn't always a "classic Liberal". He started out as a bleeding heart, pro-price-control, tax-the-1%, Occupy-Hollywood, FDR supporting modern Liberal. In his own words: http://youtu.be/e3O-szw3Tx4Seriously, man. You have to pull an audio recording from 1948? You may have a point if he was saying the same stuff in 1978 So, you guys made factually incorrect statements about Reagan (I will be kind by not using the word "lying"), and now you're moving the goalposts and saying your statements were true in spirit, because they were kind of true, for a few years of Reagan's life... Sounds like the defense a liberal would make. No. The fact remains that "Liberal" in the 1940s did not mean what "Liberal" meant in 2004 (the year Trump stated that he identified more as a Democrat). The Democrats continued to move left while Reagan continued to move right. In the late 1950s Reagan and the Democratic party became increasingly incompatible. Reagan broke with the party in 1962, when the Democrat party was *far* more conservative than it was in 2004 when Trump "identified more as a Democrat". I think that last point is incontrovertible. And keep in mind, we don't really know when Trump ceased to identify more as a Democrat. We do know than in 2011, he had given more to Democrat candidates than Republicans. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:30:56 PM EDT
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But it was around 2 years before his speech in support of Goldwater which brought him to attention of the electorate as a Republican and it was less then 4 years before he ran as a republican for the Governorship of California. but let us not let those little facts get in the way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Remember Reagan was a liberal until he got smart. Yeah. 15 YEARS before he became President. In that same amount of time, Trump has switched his party affiliation 6 TIMES But it was around 2 years before his speech in support of Goldwater which brought him to attention of the electorate as a Republican and it was less then 4 years before he ran as a republican for the Governorship of California. but let us not let those little facts get in the way. Yes. And he had 15 years of proven conservatism. He didnt jump from party to party before campaigning for President |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:35:57 PM EDT
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GOPe lacky tactics:
“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ ’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.” ~Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass~ |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:37:21 PM EDT
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GOPe lacky tactics: “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ ’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.” ? Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass So do you dispute that the Democrat party was more liberal in 2004 than it was in 1962? |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:45:23 PM EDT
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GOPe lacky tactics: “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ ’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.” ~Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass~ Trump Humping tactics: Ronald Reagan registers as a Republican in 1964 Ronald Reagan stays a Republican until his death Donald Trump registers as a Republican in 1987 Donald Trump registers in the Independence Party in 1999 Donald Trump registers as a Democrat in 2001 Donald Trump registers as an Independent in 2011 Donald Trump registers as a Republican in 2012 Trump and Reagan were both liberal once. Its the same thing!!!! |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:46:32 PM EDT
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Yes. And he had 15 years of proven conservatism. He didnt jump from party to party before campaigning for President Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Remember Reagan was a liberal until he got smart. Yeah. 15 YEARS before he became President. In that same amount of time, Trump has switched his party affiliation 6 TIMES But it was around 2 years before his speech in support of Goldwater which brought him to attention of the electorate as a Republican and it was less then 4 years before he ran as a republican for the Governorship of California. but let us not let those little facts get in the way. Yes. And he had 15 years of proven conservatism. He didnt jump from party to party before campaigning for President there is no disputing that. but the facts I stated are facts. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:52:52 PM EDT
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Trump Humping tactics: Ronald Reagan registers as a Republican in 1964 Ronald Reagan stays a Republican until his death Donald Trump registers as a Republican in 1987 Donald Trump registers in the Independence Party in 1999 Donald Trump registers as a Democrat in 2001 Donald Trump registers as an Independent in 2011 Donald Trump registers as a Republican in 2009 Trump and Reagan were both liberal once. Its the same thing!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GOPe lacky tactics: “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ ’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.” ~Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass~ Trump Humping tactics: Ronald Reagan registers as a Republican in 1964 Ronald Reagan stays a Republican until his death Donald Trump registers as a Republican in 1987 Donald Trump registers in the Independence Party in 1999 Donald Trump registers as a Democrat in 2001 Donald Trump registers as an Independent in 2011 Donald Trump registers as a Republican in 2009 Trump and Reagan were both liberal once. Its the same thing!!!! The fact is, I don't think Trump is a liberal any more than I think he's a conservative. Trump really doesn't care that much about the details of politics. He does care deeply about hearing his name in the media and would love to be President because it would stroke his enormous ego. Given no real interest in the specifics of political philosophy, of course he flips from party to party, whichever one is expedient for his current needs. If the mood of the country were to shift towards Socialism, I have no doubt that Trump would have an epiphany and discover that his views are in line with Socialism. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 10:01:01 PM EDT
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Who you gonna vote for? Cruz? He ain't gonna get the nomination either. It'll be some unelectable party hack like McCain or Bob Dole again. BTW, I researched "Facist", and it seems to mean different things to different sub-groups. Even Wiki can't nail it down, and say it seems to vary by individual perspective. It's more "anti" something, than "pro" anything. |
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