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Posted: 7/7/2015 11:31:43 AM EDT
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... cops often laugh at people who think they understand everything about a situation based on surveillance camera video, and i'm starting to understand why. you think you have a complete picture of the situation, but you don't have the audio, so you don't know what was going on. yes, she was being a bitch. but it's clear that he was shouldering into her, just as much as she was shoving him. if you can't see this, i'm sorry. it should be patently obvious to anyone who spends time dealing with this stuff. he might have threatened her, and her raised hand might be in response to that--we don't know. what we do know is that her pushing him with her ass is not a threat of physical violence in order to instill fear, and therefore cannot be assault. we see her standing her ground, and raising her fist. in order for this to be assault, it has to be with the intent of instilling fear. but she's not punching--all of her body language is defensive. despite this, he shoves in, grabs her, and then punches her when she reacts. that's what we can see, and it's bad for him. had he gone to a correct interview stance (for which he was properly positioned), he would have been completely protected, and she would have had the choice between being aggressive or backing down. instead of being defensive, he got aggressive. that's why it's a bad punch. end of story. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 11:39:57 AM EDT
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cops often laugh at people who think they understand everything about a situation based on surveillance camera video, and i'm starting to understand why. you think you have a complete picture of the situation, but you don't have the audio, so you don't know what was going on. You're absolutely correct. I'm passing judgment based on the available information which includes a lack of audio -- EXACTLY AS YOU ARE DOING. If audio comes out that adds additional information perhaps my opinion will change. yes, she was being a bitch. but it's clear that he was shouldering into her, just as much as she was shoving him. if you can't see this, i'm sorry. it should be patently obvious to anyone who spends time dealing with this stuff. Well clearly you don't spend time dealing with this stuff. He doesn't appear to give a fuck about her and is simply trying to take an open spot in a crowded environment. he might have threatened her, and her raised hand might be in response to that--we don't know. You're right. We don't. However, based on the body language of both parties I highly doubt it. what we do know is that her pushing him with her ass is not a threat of physical violence in order to instill fear, No it's not. ...but the arm across his chest and the raised right fist are. On one hand you claim to not have the audio information; but than are totally ignorant to the information that is available. and therefore cannot be assault. we see her standing her ground, and raising her fist. in order for this to be assault, it has to be with the intent of instilling fear. but she's not punching--all of her body language is defensive. despite this, he shoves in, grabs her, and then punches her when she reacts. She's pushing against his chest with her arm and has a raised fist. She isn't entitled to the entire bar area. that's what we can see, and it's bad for him. had he gone to a correct interview stance (for which he was properly positioned), he would have been completely protected, and she would have had the choice between being aggressive or backing down. instead of being defensive, he got aggressive. you sure do like your mental gymnastics that's why it's a bad punch. end of story. Are you done fabricating stuff? Thank God. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... cops often laugh at people who think they understand everything about a situation based on surveillance camera video, and i'm starting to understand why. you think you have a complete picture of the situation, but you don't have the audio, so you don't know what was going on. You're absolutely correct. I'm passing judgment based on the available information which includes a lack of audio -- EXACTLY AS YOU ARE DOING. If audio comes out that adds additional information perhaps my opinion will change. yes, she was being a bitch. but it's clear that he was shouldering into her, just as much as she was shoving him. if you can't see this, i'm sorry. it should be patently obvious to anyone who spends time dealing with this stuff. Well clearly you don't spend time dealing with this stuff. He doesn't appear to give a fuck about her and is simply trying to take an open spot in a crowded environment. he might have threatened her, and her raised hand might be in response to that--we don't know. You're right. We don't. However, based on the body language of both parties I highly doubt it. what we do know is that her pushing him with her ass is not a threat of physical violence in order to instill fear, No it's not. ...but the arm across his chest and the raised right fist are. On one hand you claim to not have the audio information; but than are totally ignorant to the information that is available. and therefore cannot be assault. we see her standing her ground, and raising her fist. in order for this to be assault, it has to be with the intent of instilling fear. but she's not punching--all of her body language is defensive. despite this, he shoves in, grabs her, and then punches her when she reacts. She's pushing against his chest with her arm and has a raised fist. She isn't entitled to the entire bar area. that's what we can see, and it's bad for him. had he gone to a correct interview stance (for which he was properly positioned), he would have been completely protected, and she would have had the choice between being aggressive or backing down. instead of being defensive, he got aggressive. you sure do like your mental gymnastics that's why it's a bad punch. end of story. Are you done fabricating stuff? Thank God. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 11:41:29 AM EDT
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This is how white people order drinks from a bar, notice how happy everyone is.
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Posted: 7/7/2015 11:45:56 AM EDT
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Well clearly you don't spend time dealing with this stuff. well...i know a guy who owns a bar and all... |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 11:49:27 AM EDT
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Well clearly you don't spend time dealing with this stuff. well...i know a guy who owns a bar and all... Cool. My best friend owns the largest nightclub in my city which is always at least as crowded as the place in this video and I bartended for years. If there was an altercation every time people squeezed past each other the place would have been shut down. If this had been a dude instead of a female your opinion would be the opposite. You clearly give a p***y pass to violent, obese women that many of us do not. I reserve that pass for fit, feminine women -- commonly referred to as "ladies." |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 11:55:21 AM EDT
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This is how white people order drinks from a bar, notice how happy everyone is. http://www.marylandbartending.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/ordering-a-drink.jpg I dunno; the chick in the middle looks like she's about to start squeezing in 
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Posted: 7/7/2015 11:57:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He wasn't pushing into her for 12 seconds. I just watched the video again. Please stop fabricating stuff. ...and yes -- I'm maintaining that if someone is squished between me and someone else at a crowded bar trying to get to an open spot I'm not going to start an altercation. My best friend owns a popular night club and it's happened 1000x already so I know exactly how I'd respond. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I see his arm now. Are you still maintaining there was no reason for her to tell him to get the hell off of her after being smooshed into the bar for 12 seconds? He wasn't pushing into her for 12 seconds. I just watched the video again. Please stop fabricating stuff. ...and yes -- I'm maintaining that if someone is squished between me and someone else at a crowded bar trying to get to an open spot I'm not going to start an altercation. My best friend owns a popular night club and it's happened 1000x already so I know exactly how I'd respond. I`m not fabricating anything. How long was your count? If you`re pressing yourself against a woman in a bar, and she gets pissed, cocks her fist and tells you to step off, you... A. Sorry about that, it`s really crowded in here. B. Grab onto her and shove her. One of these might escalate the situation. Before you accuse me of fabrication again, I`ll concede that she was yelling out her phone number to him, instead of what I have speculated she was saying. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 12:02:50 PM EDT
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I`m not fabricating anything. How long was your count? If you`re pressing yourself against a woman in a bar, and she gets pissed, cocks her fist and tells you to step off, you... Intent matters. He's trying to get through to the open spot which she can clearly see is there; not intentionally press himself against her. A. Sorry about that, it`s really crowded in here. So when people directly threaten you that are half your size you respond by acting beta? B. Grab onto her and shove her. You forgot (or more likely intentionally left out because it doesn't fit the narrative you're trying to invent) that she was already pushing him with her left arm. One of these might escalate the situation. Again. She's already threatening him with her fist and pushing him with her left arm prior to him grabbing her right wrist. Before you accuse me of fabrication again, I`ll concede that she was yelling out her phone number to him, instead of what I have speculated she was saying. Making up more nonsense doesn't make your original nonsense any more accurate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see his arm now. Are you still maintaining there was no reason for her to tell him to get the hell off of her after being smooshed into the bar for 12 seconds? He wasn't pushing into her for 12 seconds. I just watched the video again. Please stop fabricating stuff. ...and yes -- I'm maintaining that if someone is squished between me and someone else at a crowded bar trying to get to an open spot I'm not going to start an altercation. My best friend owns a popular night club and it's happened 1000x already so I know exactly how I'd respond. I`m not fabricating anything. How long was your count? If you`re pressing yourself against a woman in a bar, and she gets pissed, cocks her fist and tells you to step off, you... Intent matters. He's trying to get through to the open spot which she can clearly see is there; not intentionally press himself against her. A. Sorry about that, it`s really crowded in here. So when people directly threaten you that are half your size you respond by acting beta? B. Grab onto her and shove her. You forgot (or more likely intentionally left out because it doesn't fit the narrative you're trying to invent) that she was already pushing him with her left arm. One of these might escalate the situation. Again. She's already threatening him with her fist and pushing him with her left arm prior to him grabbing her right wrist. Before you accuse me of fabrication again, I`ll concede that she was yelling out her phone number to him, instead of what I have speculated she was saying. Making up more nonsense doesn't make your original nonsense any more accurate. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 12:18:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I see his arm now. Are you still maintaining there was no reason for her to tell him to get the hell off of her after being smooshed into the bar for 12 seconds? He wasn't pushing into her for 12 seconds. I just watched the video again. Please stop fabricating stuff. ...and yes -- I'm maintaining that if someone is squished between me and someone else at a crowded bar trying to get to an open spot I'm not going to start an altercation. My best friend owns a popular night club and it's happened 1000x already so I know exactly how I'd respond. I`m not fabricating anything. How long was your count? If you`re pressing yourself against a woman in a bar, and she gets pissed, cocks her fist and tells you to step off, you... Intent matters. He's trying to get through to the open spot; not intentionally press himself against her. A. Sorry about that, it`s really crowded in here. So when people directly threaten you that are half your size you respond by acting beta? B. Grab onto her and shove her. You forgot (or more likely intentionally left out because it doesn't fit the narrative you're trying to invent) that she was already pushing him with her left arm. One of these might escalate the situation. Again. She's already threatening him with her fist and pushing him with her left arm prior to him grabbing her right wrist. Before you accuse me of fabrication again, I`ll concede that she was yelling out her phone number to him, instead of what I have speculated she was saying. Making up more nonsense doesn't make your original nonsense any more accurate. Oh shit, you pulled the beta card on me? That does it! I`m going to go push up on some strange women in public to redeem myself. I suspect some of the these women will get defensive, and, well, I gotta alpha up and knock a bitch out at that point. I`m not sure the Deputies are going feel me on the whole alpha explanation, so can I call you for bail money? |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 12:20:08 PM EDT
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Well clearly you don't spend time dealing with this stuff. well...i know a guy who owns a bar and all... I bartended for years. that's adorable. go show the video to your friend who knows what he's doing, and he's going to tell you the same thing i'm about to tell you. both of them are banned from that bar. she was being a bitch, which doesn't fly in the business, and he punched a girl, which absolutely doesn't fly in the business. it was run of the mill crowd scrum until the guy grabbed her. had he not grabbed her, she probably would have been tossed for being pushy. had she actually swung, he would be sipping a comped drink and the manager would probably be asking if he wanted to file charges. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 12:30:14 PM EDT
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that's adorable. go show the video to your friend who knows what he's doing, and he's going to tell you the same thing i'm about to tell you. both of them are banned from that bar. she was being a bitch, which doesn't fly in the business, and he punched a girl, which absolutely doesn't fly in the business. it was run of the mill crowd scrum until the guy grabbed her. had he not grabbed her, she probably would have been tossed for being pushy. had she actually swung, he would be sipping a comped drink and the manager would probably be asking if he wanted to file charges. Na. Depends on if he likes the guy or not and they don't do videotape on the inside so that when a customer gets out of line there is no lawsuit against the business or against the bouncers. Military veterans and multiple witnesses tend to get the benefit of the doubt with their testimony over drunks. You really think club owners/managers provide counseling to customers where they encourage them to contact the police?
Go to a nightclub with this attitude that you're going to fight everyone who bumps into you. Please post some pictures of your face when you return. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 12:32:10 PM EDT
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He grabbed her before she punched him. Bad punch, he escalated the situation. Yup Can't grab a woman like that, she was defending herself Should read the professional opinion just above of the well regarded member of this site who also happens to be a Florida LEO. He even cites specific law. Tell it to the judge. He probably will, and many judges would dismiss this. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 12:37:01 PM EDT
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This wasn't an arrest at the bar. The state's attorney had the arrest warrant issued after reviewing the video, so the state believes there's a case. How often does the state roll over after issuing warrants in this manner? Are you familiar with Willie Meggs? Very well known for over-charging and then losing at trial. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 12:39:17 PM EDT
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Are you familiar with Willie Meggs? Very well known for over-charging and then losing at trial. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This wasn't an arrest at the bar. The state's attorney had the arrest warrant issued after reviewing the video, so the state believes there's a case. How often does the state roll over after issuing warrants in this manner? Are you familiar with Willie Meggs? Very well known for over-charging and then losing at trial. Or undercharging, depending on your depth chart position. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 12:45:07 PM EDT
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While she was clearly being a bitch, once he grabbed her he owned it.
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Posted: 7/7/2015 12:48:54 PM EDT
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Prefacing that I have no respect at all for football, football players, or sports celebrities of any type and kind.
Only a ghetto animal, completely out of control responds that way. I laugh to think of all the grown men who worship this shitbag, and others like him. Walk around like pathetic asshats with his name on their back. And watch what the NFL does about it. Vick, Rice... The funniest part is that people think NFL football is actually real, and are willing to keep paying for it all. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 12:52:09 PM EDT
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Or undercharging, depending on your depth chart position. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This wasn't an arrest at the bar. The state's attorney had the arrest warrant issued after reviewing the video, so the state believes there's a case. How often does the state roll over after issuing warrants in this manner? Are you familiar with Willie Meggs? Very well known for over-charging and then losing at trial. Or undercharging, depending on your depth chart position. No, Willy Mgigs has never been accused of granting any favors to FSU football players. TPD, yes. Willy Meggs, not a chance. Look up his prosecution of Travis Johnson for an example. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 1:08:55 PM EDT
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I stand by what i said. If you're a man (which you're not if you think it's ok to hit a woman) you don't fucking punch a woman in the mouth like she is some dude. If you think it's ok to do so then you have serious problems upstairs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's a fucking pussy. And so is the bartender for acting like nothing even happened. Big guy for punching a woman in the face with a closed fist.. 
And i can't even believe people here are condoning it. Wtf over? I wouldn't punch a woman, but if you think you are bad ass enough to throw a punch, you had better be ready to take one, woman or not. I have no sympathy. Naw man, that shit is unacceptable.You don't ever hit a woman. Just walk the fuck away... The term is "never hit a lady." That female was no lady. I stand by what i said. If you're a man (which you're not if you think it's ok to hit a woman) you don't fucking punch a woman in the mouth like she is some dude. If you think it's ok to do so then you have serious problems upstairs. lol |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 1:35:25 PM EDT
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What's Florida State? What's a QB? Why should I care? Football is and always will be a childs game. That's nice honey. Go edgelord somewhere else, men are talking. 
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Posted: 7/7/2015 1:41:23 PM EDT
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This wasn't an arrest at the bar. The state's attorney had the arrest warrant issued after reviewing the video, so the state believes there's a case. How often does the state roll over after issuing warrants in this manner? Often enough when it looks like bad PR would come their way if they didn't. 
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Posted: 7/7/2015 1:51:50 PM EDT
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Men can forcefully grab a woman by the arm and women can't do shit in return in Florida? I didn't see that in the code anywhere . .... 
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He grabbed her before she punched him. Bad punch, he escalated the situation. Yup Can't grab a woman like that, she was defending herself Lol, no. You don't understand Florida law. Please go read F.S.S. 784.011 and all related case law. Then go read F.S.S. 776.012. He committed no crime. He did exercise bad judgement with so much to lose. Men can forcefully grab a woman by the arm and women can't do shit in return in Florida? I didn't see that in the code anywhere . ....
lol He can when he is stopping an assault or battery. 
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Posted: 7/7/2015 1:53:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/7/2015 1:57:17 PM EDT
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Wow, you wouldn't think somebody who spent half his life getting his ass beat on a football field would be such a pussy. Drunk harmless girl hits you, you brush it off. Not worth going to jail, and you're not going to prove anything fighting a girl. Girl punched me in the back of the head at a bar. As I turned around she took a second swing. That girl must have had brothers because she could throw a punch. Not a powerful one but she knew what to do. I just shoved her down onto a bench and told her to cut the shit. Somebody had grabbed her ass and she thought it was me (it wasn't). No point in hitting her because no matter what happened I'd look like the bad guy....and I was raised not to hit girls. At least now any future wife knows what to expect after the honeymoon. ETA: yeah, I know she instigated it. She'll tell a judge he was rubbing himself up against her or some shit like that. She shouldn't have hit him and she should be charged but that was a weak girly punch, he should have been man enough to control himself. lol |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:00:25 PM EDT
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This wasn't an arrest at the bar. The state's attorney had the arrest warrant issued after reviewing the video, so the state believes there's a case. How often does the state roll over after issuing warrants in this manner? FL also went after Zimmerman so what is your point? |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:01:09 PM EDT
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He kind of started the whole ball rolling. He grabbed her first when she got upset about him pushing his way in, then she swung at him AFTER he put his hands on her. He grabber the fist that she raised to hit him with.
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:03:09 PM EDT
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He kind of started the whole ball rolling. He grabbed her first when she got upset about him pushing his way in, then she swung at him AFTER he put his hands on her. I interpret him holding her right hand as a defensive move after she threatened him. She could have ended it there but no...she then hit him.
it's much better to submit when someone grabs you, rather that defending yourself. you could prevent the whole thing instead of escalating. this is why guns are bad. She could have just let him through to the open spot in the bar like a normal person. She could have not raised her fist in an attempt to hit him. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:04:39 PM EDT
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He kind of started the whole ball rolling. He grabbed her first when she got upset about him pushing his way in, then she swung at him AFTER he put his hands on her. This is what I see. Of course at FSU the fact of his first assault will be ignored because football player. Yes -- he grabbed her raised clenched fist after she intentionally popped her ass into him while he was trying to squeeze by in the same manner she had done seconds before. I've never once complained about a woman popping her ass on me, let alone the idea of it making me angry enough for it to all end with me punching her in the face. FSU fan? So you think it is acceptable for the woman to raise her hand in order to strike him when he has shown no aggression? |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:04:55 PM EDT
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Worked at a bouncer at a number of bars years back... Not excusing his punch, but I can't tell you how many drunk self important cunts will go straight to violence when they feel slighted, relying on the old I'm just a girl, no one will hit me back mentality. Can't say Id deck one, but I'm not heartbroken to see it happen occasionally. +1...yet somehow feminists never address that in their quest for equality 
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:05:54 PM EDT
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just so i'm clear, you're saying that if someone half your size adopts a defensive posture, you feel justified in laying your hands on him? whether or not she was a bitch, you don't put your hands on a person. he was shouldering into her from the get-go, so it's an assholes collide moment right up until he escalates. he could have adopted a defensive posture if he was scared of getting hit, but instead he grabbed her. that's simple assault. maybe you believe that people should to submit when assaulted. must make your CCW algorithm pretty interesting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He kind of started the whole ball rolling. He grabbed her first when she got upset about him pushing his way in, then she swung at him AFTER he put his hands on her. I interpret him holding her right hand as a defensive move after she threatened him. She could have ended it there but no...she then hit him.
it's much better to submit when someone grabs you, rather that defending yourself. you could prevent the whole thing instead of escalating. this is why guns are bad. That you actually believe what you post
How about not raising your fist at someone twice your size (although not literally -- that's a big woman) and popping your ass out as they try to squeeze past you. just so i'm clear, you're saying that if someone half your size adopts a defensive posture, you feel justified in laying your hands on him? whether or not she was a bitch, you don't put your hands on a person. he was shouldering into her from the get-go, so it's an assholes collide moment right up until he escalates. he could have adopted a defensive posture if he was scared of getting hit, but instead he grabbed her. that's simple assault. maybe you believe that people should to submit when assaulted. must make your CCW algorithm pretty interesting. Bringing your fist up to someone, in order to strike them, who has not shown any aggression is not a defensive posture.
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:07:37 PM EDT
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Nice non-sequitur. Please try and come up with something less silly -- this isn't Democratic Union where we argue based on 'feels.' He didn't do anything because she popped his ass at him. I'm pointing out that he didn't make aggressive physical contact with her until after she did that and then raised a clenched fist at him and even than all he did was grabbed it. ...and here's a question on common-sense for you; how many FSU fans actually live in Wisconsin? Bullshit he reached out and grabbed her arm and held it. This shit is on him. lol He did that after she raised her fist to hit him. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:08:05 PM EDT
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He punches like a girl!
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:10:05 PM EDT
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Nice non-sequitur. Please try and come up with something less silly -- this isn't Democratic Union where we argue based on 'feels.' He didn't do anything because she popped his ass at him. I'm pointing out that he didn't make aggressive physical contact with her until after she did that and then raised a clenched fist at him and even than all he did was grabbed it. ...and here's a question on common-sense for you; how many FSU fans actually live in Wisconsin? Bullshit he reached out and grabbed her arm and held it. This shit is on him. Why don't you watch the video. Go to 1:57; notice how he isn't touching her at all, her right fist is raised and clenched and her left arm is bent at the elbow and pushing straight across his chest. It's right there in black and white no matter how many imaginary stories you want to tell. http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2015/07/06/video-shows-punch-that-led-to-qbs-arrest/29775149/ And then he grabs her arm and holds it. That's where he escalated, and that's why his asshole is going to get stretched. He was defending himself from her forearm elbow push and the clenched fist she had just raised to strike him. You really are not that goof at UoF issues are you? |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:11:45 PM EDT
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I'm not going to reach out and grab his arm, if you want to telegraph your punch I'm ok with that. It won't turn out as you expected. I see her actions as body language making it clear to him to back the fuck off, instead he grabs her, that's go time in every language. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes but if a guy were to bury his left forearm into your chest and raise his right hand into a fist would you just sit there expecting he wants to have a discussion or expect to be punched? I see it as him trying to not get hit. I think he will beat this charge. For the record, i have been slapped by a female at a bar and never struck back, its not something i would do. I'm not going to reach out and grab his arm, if you want to telegraph your punch I'm ok with that. It won't turn out as you expected. I see her actions as body language making it clear to him to back the fuck off, instead he grabs her, that's go time in every language. Its go time when someone raises their fist at me. I don't intend to get hit and let someone try to put me down or take the weapon I carry.
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:11:54 PM EDT
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If you would hit a woman in a similar situation as the video in the OP. You're a cowardly son-of-a-bitch.
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:12:56 PM EDT
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She punched and kicked him first. Very clear in the video. Good punch by the guy. You start shit and you deserve equal payback, man or woman. You want equal rights? Ok then, that was equal rights and a fair punch. Bitches do that shit all the time thinking they are free to do as they wish. Glad that guy had the balls to do what I wouldn't be able to do.
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:13:02 PM EDT
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So you think it is acceptable for the woman to raise her hand in order to strike him when he has shown no aggression? To strike him, LOL. That was pure posture. I don't find it "acceptable" I would have moved away from her and let bitches be bitches. That's a "back the fuck off" gesture, not the beginning of a punch. But some men are scared of shit that won't hurt them, so I guess they overreact and escalate unnecessarily. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:14:01 PM EDT
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Its go time when someone raises their fist at me. I don't intend to get hit and let someone try to put me down or take the weapon I carry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes but if a guy were to bury his left forearm into your chest and raise his right hand into a fist would you just sit there expecting he wants to have a discussion or expect to be punched? I see it as him trying to not get hit. I think he will beat this charge. For the record, i have been slapped by a female at a bar and never struck back, its not something i would do. I'm not going to reach out and grab his arm, if you want to telegraph your punch I'm ok with that. It won't turn out as you expected. I see her actions as body language making it clear to him to back the fuck off, instead he grabs her, that's go time in every language. Its go time when someone raises their fist at me. I don't intend to get hit and let someone try to put me down or take the weapon I carry. You said it, you're afraid of girls. 
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:20:52 PM EDT
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To strike him, LOL. That was pure posture. I don't find it "acceptable" I would have moved away from her and let bitches be bitches. That's a "back the fuck off" gesture, not the beginning of a punch. But some men are scared of shit that won't hurt them, so I guess they overreact and escalate unnecessarily. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you think it is acceptable for the woman to raise her hand in order to strike him when he has shown no aggression? To strike him, LOL. That was pure posture. I don't find it "acceptable" I would have moved away from her and let bitches be bitches. That's a "back the fuck off" gesture, not the beginning of a punch. But some men are scared of shit that won't hurt them, so I guess they overreact and escalate unnecessarily. Pure posture of her starting a physical altercation. He was trying to get past her to a clear open spot at a bar. She was blocking him and he kept on pushing past her. She turned and put her forearm into his chest and raised a fist at him when he had shown no aggression towards her at all. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:22:39 PM EDT
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Worked at a bouncer at a number of bars years back... Not excusing his punch, but I can't tell you how many drunk self important cunts will go straight to violence when they feel slighted, relying on the old I'm just a girl, no one will hit me back mentality. Can't say Id deck one, but I'm not heartbroken to see it happen occasionally. I goddamn sure will. Someone hits me and I intend to double the measure right back. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:22:41 PM EDT
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Pure posture of her starting a physical altercation. He was trying to get past her to a clear open spot at a bar. She was blocking him and he kept on pushing past her. She turned and put her forearm into his chest and raised a fist at him when he had shown no aggression towards her at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you think it is acceptable for the woman to raise her hand in order to strike him when he has shown no aggression? To strike him, LOL. That was pure posture. I don't find it "acceptable" I would have moved away from her and let bitches be bitches. That's a "back the fuck off" gesture, not the beginning of a punch. But some men are scared of shit that won't hurt them, so I guess they overreact and escalate unnecessarily. Pure posture of her starting a physical altercation. He was trying to get past her to a clear open spot at a bar. She was blocking him and he kept on pushing past her. She turned and put her forearm into his chest and raised a fist at him when he had shown no aggression towards her at all. If you re watch it there was also a possible knee to the groin as well.
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:22:42 PM EDT
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Prefacing that I have no respect at all for football, football players, or sports celebrities of any type and kind. Only a ghetto animal, completely out of control responds that way. I laugh to think of all the grown men who worship this shitbag, and others like him. Walk around like pathetic asshats with his name on their back. And watch what the NFL does about it. Vick, Rice... The funniest part is that people think NFL football is actually real, and are willing to keep paying for it all. We get that you are trying to be all edgy and shit but uh, this idiot doesn't play in the NFL. He used to play for Florida State University, who dismissed him from the team. Therefore, the NFL has jack shit to do with it. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:24:51 PM EDT
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You said it, you're afraid of girls. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes but if a guy were to bury his left forearm into your chest and raise his right hand into a fist would you just sit there expecting he wants to have a discussion or expect to be punched? I see it as him trying to not get hit. I think he will beat this charge. For the record, i have been slapped by a female at a bar and never struck back, its not something i would do. I'm not going to reach out and grab his arm, if you want to telegraph your punch I'm ok with that. It won't turn out as you expected. I see her actions as body language making it clear to him to back the fuck off, instead he grabs her, that's go time in every language. Its go time when someone raises their fist at me. I don't intend to get hit and let someone try to put me down or take the weapon I carry. You said it, you're afraid of girls. I am not getting hit by anyone who thinks that they can just posture up and put their hands on me. I don't care if the are a man, a woman, White, Black, Latino, or Asian. Its pretty clear how many people here have not dealt with violent drunk women. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:25:31 PM EDT
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If you re watch it there was also a possible knee to the groin as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you think it is acceptable for the woman to raise her hand in order to strike him when he has shown no aggression? To strike him, LOL. That was pure posture. I don't find it "acceptable" I would have moved away from her and let bitches be bitches. That's a "back the fuck off" gesture, not the beginning of a punch. But some men are scared of shit that won't hurt them, so I guess they overreact and escalate unnecessarily. Pure posture of her starting a physical altercation. He was trying to get past her to a clear open spot at a bar. She was blocking him and he kept on pushing past her. She turned and put her forearm into his chest and raised a fist at him when he had shown no aggression towards her at all. If you re watch it there was also a possible knee to the groin as well. I know but that would just make it too easy to show others how inept Hugo is in UoF.
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:25:54 PM EDT
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Pure posture of her starting a physical altercation. He was trying to get past her to a clear open spot at a bar. She was blocking him and he kept on pushing past her. She turned and put her forearm into his chest and raised a fist at him when he had shown no aggression towards her at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you think it is acceptable for the woman to raise her hand in order to strike him when he has shown no aggression? To strike him, LOL. That was pure posture. I don't find it "acceptable" I would have moved away from her and let bitches be bitches. That's a "back the fuck off" gesture, not the beginning of a punch. But some men are scared of shit that won't hurt them, so I guess they overreact and escalate unnecessarily. Pure posture of her starting a physical altercation. He was trying to get past her to a clear open spot at a bar. She was blocking him and he kept on pushing past her. She turned and put her forearm into his chest and raised a fist at him when he had shown no aggression towards her at all. Right. That's why she got pissed off. 
It was posturing, telling him to back off. But if you want to punch out a girl because she raised her "fist" in the girliest position of striking every conceived, be my guest. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:27:10 PM EDT
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This is how white people order drinks from a bar, notice how happy everyone is. http://www.marylandbartending.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/ordering-a-drink.jpg Bullshit.
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:29:45 PM EDT
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I am not getting hit by anyone who thinks that they can just posture up and put their hands on me. I don't care if the are a man, a woman, White, Black, Latino, or Asian. Its pretty clear how many people here have not dealt with violent drunk women. 40x, I was raised in Mississippi, violent drunk woman is just another term for date.
I imagine the wildebeests of the Wisconsin plains may be more intimidating due to the amount of dairy in their diet but still... Anyway, that girl wasn't a "fighter" she wasn't about to knock anyone the fuck out. Posturing. Don't be a pussy bro. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:31:27 PM EDT
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Harsh, but I have to say it's fair. If you go around hitting people, getting hit back is an obvious possibility, a possibility that a reasonable person should consider.
I'm not going to applaud it or say it was a good thing, but I find myself mustering exactly zero sympathy either. On looking at the footage again, I'm changing my mind a little. She might have struck first, but it looks like he put his hands on her first. In that case, he's a shithead. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:32:08 PM EDT
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He was defending himself from her forearm elbow push and the clenched fist she had just raised to strike him. That's not how I saw it but meh. He's a POS and deserves whatever he gets. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:33:39 PM EDT
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Right. That's why she got pissed off.
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So you think it is acceptable for the woman to raise her hand in order to strike him when he has shown no aggression? To strike him, LOL. That was pure posture. I don't find it "acceptable" I would have moved away from her and let bitches be bitches. That's a "back the fuck off" gesture, not the beginning of a punch. But some men are scared of shit that won't hurt them, so I guess they overreact and escalate unnecessarily. Pure posture of her starting a physical altercation. He was trying to get past her to a clear open spot at a bar. She was blocking him and he kept on pushing past her. She turned and put her forearm into his chest and raised a fist at him when he had shown no aggression towards her at all. Right. That's why she got pissed off.
It was posturing, telling him to back off. But if you want to punch out a girl because she raised her "fist" in the girliest position of striking every conceived, be my guest. Notice that he didn't hit her until she continued to attack him and punched him after he stopped those attacks. She put her forearm into his chest She raised her fist to hit him She puts a knee into him She punches him in the face Then he hits her You really are not any good at this. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:35:05 PM EDT
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40x, I was raised in Mississippi, violent drunk woman is just another term for date.
I imagine the wildebeests of the Wisconsin plains may be more intimidating due to the amount of dairy in their diet but still... Anyway, that girl wasn't a "fighter" she wasn't about to knock anyone the fuck out. Posturing. Don't be a pussy bro. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am not getting hit by anyone who thinks that they can just posture up and put their hands on me. I don't care if the are a man, a woman, White, Black, Latino, or Asian. Its pretty clear how many people here have not dealt with violent drunk women. 40x, I was raised in Mississippi, violent drunk woman is just another term for date.
I imagine the wildebeests of the Wisconsin plains may be more intimidating due to the amount of dairy in their diet but still... Anyway, that girl wasn't a "fighter" she wasn't about to knock anyone the fuck out. Posturing. Don't be a pussy bro. "Actions have consequences" is what my parents taught me. I don't give a damn if someone is drunk or not. You keep your hands yo yourself or you might not like what you get. |
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