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If the story she tells is 100% accurate and tells the entire tale, she probably could hire a lawyer and get paid. My guess is the same as yours - there were other reasons that were not shared with her. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Honestly, if that is what she was wearing - and her story is accurate - then she SHOULD be angry. My guess is that there's more to the story - probably her behavior during the interview, and not what she was wearing. If the story she tells is 100% accurate and tells the entire tale, she probably could hire a lawyer and get paid. My guess is the same as yours - there were other reasons that were not shared with her. If only more facts had come to light and been posted in this very thread... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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There's basically two philosophies to running a tech shop. One is to realize that developers are weird, with varying degrees of aspbergers, like doing things the way they like doing things, and are most productive when they can do what they want to do. There's a reason Google allows employees a certain number of hours to work on whatever they want to each week. I worked for a company that had several rooms dedicated to gaming with multiple xboxes and projectors with daily tournaments where it was not uncommon for someone to suddenly quit the game and sprint back to their desk because they figured out how to solve a problem. Give motivated smart people a comfortable environment with caffeine and booze and minimal ground rules and you'll get high quality output and happy workers who want to stay with the company. The other school of thought is to treat developers like call center employees or salespeople from the 1950s. "If your butt isn't in your chair and your fingers aren't on the keyboard you aren't working!" "If you are browsing tech crunch you are not working!" "IT, ban connections to imgur and pandora. Bandwidth is expensive and these sites waste time." I've seen shops where developers were elbow to elbow, no partitions between workstations, and management slowly paced the aisle looking for people who weren't doing work every second of the day. It's a recipe for unhappy developers which nets a lower quality product. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Interesting but I feel like your view might be a minority opinion. As an outsider (I don't do IT), I can say she didn't appear to be dress for the interview. My wife can wear jeans to work but when she interviewed for her job an above the knee skirt was a no-no (she helps launch those Space-X rockets we all love here). development isn't IT I've probably interviewed 75-80 people over the last 8 years. I've interviewed people in suits and people in flip flops. I've had candidates show up stoned. All that matters is if they can do the job and if they fit in with the culture of the team and the company. I've worked in startups and fortune 500s. While first impressions are totally a thing, when I read a candidate's resume I form an opinion of them. When I meet them in person I form another opinion. And when I sit down with them for an hour and have them show me what they know, I form another opinion. That last one is by far the most important, followed by the resume. Also Space-X is awesome. Thanks for the input. Sounds pretty confusing to be honest, it seems like every IT place is different when it comes to dress code. And yes Space-X is awesome, I've been meaning to do a pic thread one of these launches but I always get stuck working. There's basically two philosophies to running a tech shop. One is to realize that developers are weird, with varying degrees of aspbergers, like doing things the way they like doing things, and are most productive when they can do what they want to do. There's a reason Google allows employees a certain number of hours to work on whatever they want to each week. I worked for a company that had several rooms dedicated to gaming with multiple xboxes and projectors with daily tournaments where it was not uncommon for someone to suddenly quit the game and sprint back to their desk because they figured out how to solve a problem. Give motivated smart people a comfortable environment with caffeine and booze and minimal ground rules and you'll get high quality output and happy workers who want to stay with the company. The other school of thought is to treat developers like call center employees or salespeople from the 1950s. "If your butt isn't in your chair and your fingers aren't on the keyboard you aren't working!" "If you are browsing tech crunch you are not working!" "IT, ban connections to imgur and pandora. Bandwidth is expensive and these sites waste time." I've seen shops where developers were elbow to elbow, no partitions between workstations, and management slowly paced the aisle looking for people who weren't doing work every second of the day. It's a recipe for unhappy developers which nets a lower quality product. Wow... Pretty much blew my mind. I saw in another comment the chick said she showed up late. Is the IT field forgiving with that sort of stuff? |
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Interesting but I feel like your view might be a minority opinion. As an outsider (I don't do IT), I can say she didn't appear to be dress for the interview. My wife can wear jeans to work but when she interviewed for her job an above the knee skirt was a no-no (she helps launch those Space-X rockets we all love here). development isn't IT I've probably interviewed 75-80 people over the last 8 years. I've interviewed people in suits and people in flip flops. I've had candidates show up stoned. All that matters is if they can do the job and if they fit in with the culture of the team and the company. I've worked in startups and fortune 500s. While first impressions are totally a thing, when I read a candidate's resume I form an opinion of them. When I meet them in person I form another opinion. And when I sit down with them for an hour and have them show me what they know, I form another opinion. That last one is by far the most important, followed by the resume. Also Space-X is awesome. Thanks for the input. Sounds pretty confusing to be honest, it seems like every IT place is different when it comes to dress code. And yes Space-X is awesome, I've been meaning to do a pic thread one of these launches but I always get stuck working. There's basically two philosophies to running a tech shop. One is to realize that developers are weird, with varying degrees of aspbergers, like doing things the way they like doing things, and are most productive when they can do what they want to do. There's a reason Google allows employees a certain number of hours to work on whatever they want to each week. I worked for a company that had several rooms dedicated to gaming with multiple xboxes and projectors with daily tournaments where it was not uncommon for someone to suddenly quit the game and sprint back to their desk because they figured out how to solve a problem. Give motivated smart people a comfortable environment with caffeine and booze and minimal ground rules and you'll get high quality output and happy workers who want to stay with the company. The other school of thought is to treat developers like call center employees or salespeople from the 1950s. "If your butt isn't in your chair and your fingers aren't on the keyboard you aren't working!" "If you are browsing tech crunch you are not working!" "IT, ban connections to imgur and pandora. Bandwidth is expensive and these sites waste time." I've seen shops where developers were elbow to elbow, no partitions between workstations, and management slowly paced the aisle looking for people who weren't doing work every second of the day. It's a recipe for unhappy developers which nets a lower quality product. Wow... Pretty much blew my mind. I saw in another comment the chick said she showed up late. Is the IT field forgiving with that sort of stuff? Showing up late for an initial job interview is the kiss of death. You will NEVER be any better at showing up on time then that first meeting. I'd also bet that her entire life's drama spilled over into the interview and ''Oh hell no!'' was the only thought that went through the interviewers mind the entire time. Companies don't want drama, they want someone who is going to make them lots of money. |
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Interesting but I feel like your view might be a minority opinion. As an outsider (I don't do IT), I can say she didn't appear to be dress for the interview. My wife can wear jeans to work but when she interviewed for her job an above the knee skirt was a no-no (she helps launch those Space-X rockets we all love here). development isn't IT I've probably interviewed 75-80 people over the last 8 years. I've interviewed people in suits and people in flip flops. I've had candidates show up stoned. All that matters is if they can do the job and if they fit in with the culture of the team and the company. I've worked in startups and fortune 500s. While first impressions are totally a thing, when I read a candidate's resume I form an opinion of them. When I meet them in person I form another opinion. And when I sit down with them for an hour and have them show me what they know, I form another opinion. That last one is by far the most important, followed by the resume. Also Space-X is awesome. Thanks for the input. Sounds pretty confusing to be honest, it seems like every IT place is different when it comes to dress code. And yes Space-X is awesome, I've been meaning to do a pic thread one of these launches but I always get stuck working. There's basically two philosophies to running a tech shop. One is to realize that developers are weird, with varying degrees of aspbergers, like doing things the way they like doing things, and are most productive when they can do what they want to do. There's a reason Google allows employees a certain number of hours to work on whatever they want to each week. I worked for a company that had several rooms dedicated to gaming with multiple xboxes and projectors with daily tournaments where it was not uncommon for someone to suddenly quit the game and sprint back to their desk because they figured out how to solve a problem. Give motivated smart people a comfortable environment with caffeine and booze and minimal ground rules and you'll get high quality output and happy workers who want to stay with the company. The other school of thought is to treat developers like call center employees or salespeople from the 1950s. "If your butt isn't in your chair and your fingers aren't on the keyboard you aren't working!" "If you are browsing tech crunch you are not working!" "IT, ban connections to imgur and pandora. Bandwidth is expensive and these sites waste time." I've seen shops where developers were elbow to elbow, no partitions between workstations, and management slowly paced the aisle looking for people who weren't doing work every second of the day. It's a recipe for unhappy developers which nets a lower quality product. Wow... Pretty much blew my mind. I saw in another comment the chick said she showed up late. Is the IT field forgiving with that sort of stuff? In the Type I companies I've worked for there were no scheduled hours. Be there for your meetings and get your work done and no one cares when you're at your desk. But be on time for interviews. That's a universal truth. |
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This chick is full of shit and full of herself. But she's going somewhere! Says her, petulant tard. In the real world you play the game, get the job, and take on the world with actions, not words and drama.
Her life is going to be miserable, even if her mental illness doesn't allow her to acknowledge it. Competence and skill would trump using a dildo for a hair pin were they high enough. In this case, she has a piece of paper, a bad attitude, and the thought processes that told her making a public spectacle out of this non event was a good idea. Write down this name, HR. If you ever hire it, you deserve the suffering that comes your way. |
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People are at their best during an interview. If your best at an interview is the companies average after a year on the job you shouldn't even bother. I think our HR would have started laughing at her during the interview based on her personality alone.
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At least her purse matches the city water access caps. It sure as shit doesn't go with her Connect Four inspired outfit.
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You are of course free to dress any way you like, just as the employer is free to hire whoever they feel is the best fit for their organization. Perhaps a little research into how that employer prefers employees to dress on the job might have helped.
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am i the only one thinking that gamergate might have had something to do with this? View Quote The SJWs are going after the tech industry. There have been several narratives in the past couple years that are supposed to demonstrate that male programmers are a bunch of frat bros and that's why there aren't more women in programming jobs. See Ellen Pao, Julie Horvath, Adria Richards, etc. |
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It took hours to look like that? Yikes....what does she look like when she rolls out of bed?
As an interviewer you can often tell within minutes if the person is going to be a good candidate for the job and if you're going to hire someone. I'd she showed up late, obviously that alone is a huge indicator of what she may be like, but if she were to start rambling about why and making excuses etc it might have really sealed the deal. I don't think for a second her outfit was the reason she wasn't hired. Whether it's the best choice or not, it's certainly not extreme enough to disqualify someone IMO. She just looks like a huge pain in the ass. Just like the race card gets yanked out whenever someone doesn't get what they want or things don't go their way, women are increasingly using their gender to accuse people of not treating them fairly. While both racism & sexism happen, IMO the vast majority of accusations are pure B.S. |
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She is sturdy. Like Oxen. She can plow in spring and warm my bed in winter.
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Don't get behind her at the all-you-can-eat buffet. http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2843538/images/n-ELIZABETH-BENTIVEGNA-large570.jpg View Quote According to this picture, she was 15 last summer |
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Don't get behind her at the all-you-can-eat buffet. http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2843538/images/n-ELIZABETH-BENTIVEGNA-large570.jpg https://www.cs.oberlin.edu/wp-content/gallery/ocwic-2015/14373_997356033625934_1047059047466632528_n.jpg According to this picture, she was 14 last summer It says '15. As in (I'm guessing) Class of 2015. |
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Don't get behind her at the all-you-can-eat buffet. http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2843538/images/n-ELIZABETH-BENTIVEGNA-large570.jpg https://www.cs.oberlin.edu/wp-content/gallery/ocwic-2015/14373_997356033625934_1047059047466632528_n.jpg According to this picture, she was 14 last summer Ummm....what? Says class of '15. Meaning she JUST graduated and has no idea what is going on around her. |
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It says '15. As in (I'm guessing) Class of 2015. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Don't get behind her at the all-you-can-eat buffet. http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2843538/images/n-ELIZABETH-BENTIVEGNA-large570.jpg https://www.cs.oberlin.edu/wp-content/gallery/ocwic-2015/14373_997356033625934_1047059047466632528_n.jpg According to this picture, she was 14 last summer It says '15. As in (I'm guessing) Class of 2015. Yeah, I didn't notice the ' |
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It does but that's ok. I was well into adulthood before I knew what they were either. Espadrilles or alpargatas are normally casual, flat, but sometimes high-heeled shoes originating in the Pyrenees. They usually have a canvas or cotton fabric upper and a flexible sole made of jute rope. The jute rope sole is the defining characteristic of an espadrille; the uppers vary widely in style. Oddly enough, I have a pic already in my photobucket from the last time someone here asked. http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/emilysmom_02/espadrille_zps3051818b.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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'sup ladies Do words like *cardigan* and *ruffley blouse* really get you going? What about *camisole* or *espadrille*? What's that last one? Does asking that betray a lack of fashion knowledge? Nick It does but that's ok. I was well into adulthood before I knew what they were either. Espadrilles or alpargatas are normally casual, flat, but sometimes high-heeled shoes originating in the Pyrenees. They usually have a canvas or cotton fabric upper and a flexible sole made of jute rope. The jute rope sole is the defining characteristic of an espadrille; the uppers vary widely in style. Oddly enough, I have a pic already in my photobucket from the last time someone here asked. http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/emilysmom_02/espadrille_zps3051818b.jpg So..uh...like I said before. The answer is yes. |
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YUP My most senior developer looks straight out of the casting call for "Wargames". I have never seen him with his hair combed. I don't think he's ever done it. He has a high school education and makes WELL into the six figures. If he asked, I'd pay him more. He never does. He drives a pile of shit that has more plastic and aluminum piled up in it than it took to manufacture the car in the first place. But they call him the code whisperer because he just understands EVERYTHING he looks at and how to turn ideas into functional software that does what you want it to do the first time. He could interview ANYWHERE in drag with a midget chained to his waist and as RyJones' story said, they'd build him a circus tent to work in and throw money at him. I'm going with this girl having bad vibes and being an undergrad with little to no raw talent or experience. Quoted:
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It does but that's ok. I was well into adulthood before I knew what they were either. Espadrilles or alpargatas are normally casual, flat, but sometimes high-heeled shoes originating in the Pyrenees. They usually have a canvas or cotton fabric upper and a flexible sole made of jute rope. The jute rope sole is the defining characteristic of an espadrille; the uppers vary widely in style. Oddly enough, I have a pic already in my photobucket from the last time someone here asked. http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/emilysmom_02/espadrille_zps3051818b.jpg So..uh...like I said before. The answer is yes. I don't know where to go from here. Palazzo pants? Maxi dress? Boatneck top? If it's getting too hot in here I can throw in words like girdle and poncho. |
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Yes dear it was because of the way you dressed
It had nothing to do with the fact that you are obviously an self absorbed attention whore that will surely cause HR issues Here is a clue for fuck sticks like her ( men and women alike ). If you are good at your job, but lack basic social skills you will not succeed. |
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No HR person said "we'd have hired you, but you looked like...."
Well, let me rephrase, 99.99% of the HR community wouldn't say something like that. I really doubt it happened. I've hired 3 people in my life and even I know you never, EVER say anything about what a person looks like or why they didn't get hired. Unless this was an HR person who won the lotto and just wants to F their employer on the way out, there's no way that happened. And if not, she's a liar and I don't care that she didn't get this job. If the HR guy really did say that, all she has to do is threaten to sue and put the right lawyer on retainer and she WILL get paid. I'm highly skeptical though. They tell you on Day 1 of HR school "never tell someone why they didn't get the job....too many lawsuits." |
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It looks pretty well put together and professional. During interviewer training at the old Fortune 50 sized company I used to work for, we were told NOT to judge a canidate by what he was wearing, as long as it met our business casual dresscode (which was very loose) Judging could be construed as racist, sexist, homophobic, or even culturally insensitive. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Honestly, if that is what she was wearing - and her story is accurate - then she SHOULD be angry. My guess is that there's more to the story - probably her behavior during the interview, and not what she was wearing. It looks pretty well put together and professional. During interviewer training at the old Fortune 50 sized company I used to work for, we were told NOT to judge a canidate by what he was wearing, as long as it met our business casual dresscode (which was very loose) Judging could be construed as racist, sexist, homophobic, or even culturally insensitive. to ensure success in an interview leave nothing to chance. overdress and wear a fucking suit. |
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It does but that's ok. I was well into adulthood before I knew what they were either. Espadrilles or alpargatas are normally casual, flat, but sometimes high-heeled shoes originating in the Pyrenees. They usually have a canvas or cotton fabric upper and a flexible sole made of jute rope. The jute rope sole is the defining characteristic of an espadrille; the uppers vary widely in style. Oddly enough, I have a pic already in my photobucket from the last time someone here asked. http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/emilysmom_02/espadrille_zps3051818b.jpg So..uh...like I said before. The answer is yes. I don't know where to go from here. Palazzo pants? Maxi dress? Boatneck top? If it's getting too hot in here I can throw in words like girdle and poncho. Yes to everything |
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Boy, every job interview I've ever been on, they say, "Thank you very much, we'll be in touch." Odd that they would go into details in this situation. If you work with a recruiter, he usually is able to fish some information out of the people involved. I wonder if she asked for feedback after the interview, and the recruiter threw the dress nugget out as "constructive criticism" that she could take to future/other interviews. She then keyed in on that as THE only reason she wasn't hired. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I wonder if she asked for feedback after the interview, and the recruiter threw the dress nugget out as "constructive criticism" that she could take to future/other interviews. She then keyed in on that as THE only reason she wasn't hired. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Boy, every job interview I've ever been on, they say, "Thank you very much, we'll be in touch." Odd that they would go into details in this situation. If you work with a recruiter, he usually is able to fish some information out of the people involved. I wonder if she asked for feedback after the interview, and the recruiter threw the dress nugget out as "constructive criticism" that she could take to future/other interviews. She then keyed in on that as THE only reason she wasn't hired. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile They better have tossed the nugget, less risk to the fingies! |
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Maybe she got a bit of an attitude and started acting like "they needed her" similar to how her FB post was.
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Don't get behind her at the all-you-can-eat buffet. http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2843538/images/n-ELIZABETH-BENTIVEGNA-large570.jpg https://www.cs.oberlin.edu/wp-content/gallery/ocwic-2015/14373_997356033625934_1047059047466632528_n.jpg According to this picture, she was 14 last summer Ummm....what? Says class of '15. Meaning she JUST graduated and has no idea what is going on around her. Speaking of which, here's the website she's standing in front of |
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Saw this somewhere else, apparently she was late to the interview. I am 100% sure there is more to the story . Like maybe she is shitty answering questions . Maybe she is not all of what she thinks she is. Maybe another candidate was better qualified ? Whoa whoa whoa. Someone fresh out of college who isn't the hot shit they think they are? Impossibru! |
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