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Posted: 10/23/2014 9:05:37 AM EDT
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You act like that is a problem 
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Just to clarify on the rate of fire, it's simply a dwell setting that would delay the release of the hammer for the next shot. It doesn't change the mechanical cyclic rate like changing out buffers/springs/etc. My Airgun Designs X-Mag has a similar mechanical backup mechanism. The mechanical backup is more for if the batteries die rather than ECM or EMP. 
The real problem with this type of trigger is it will be very difficult for it not to exhibit trigger bounce, effectively producing full-auto. 
Well I only say that because it might not end well for your dog if the ATF declares your gun a MG.
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Posted: 10/23/2014 9:13:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I only say that because it might not end well for your dog if the ATF declares your gun a MG. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: SNIP Just to clarify on the rate of fire, it's simply a dwell setting that would delay the release of the hammer for the next shot. It doesn't change the mechanical cyclic rate like changing out buffers/springs/etc. My Airgun Designs X-Mag has a similar mechanical backup mechanism. The mechanical backup is more for if the batteries die rather than ECM or EMP. The real problem with this type of trigger is it will be very difficult for it not to exhibit trigger bounce, effectively producing full-auto. Well I only say that because it might not end well for your dog if the ATF declares your gun a MG. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 9:20:18 AM EDT
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Just to clarify on the rate of fire, it's simply a dwell setting that would delay the release of the hammer for the next shot. It doesn't change the mechanical cyclic rate like changing out buffers/springs/etc. My Airgun Designs X-Mag has a similar mechanical backup mechanism. The mechanical backup is more for if the batteries die rather than ECM or EMP.
The real problem with this type of trigger is it will be very difficult for it not to exhibit trigger bounce, effectively producing full-auto. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Neat, but a few things came immediately to mind: - No "break point" huh? - Accuracy is exponentially increased? - 1000 rounds per minute in full auto mode? Wow, I had no idea that the fire control group dictated the cyclic rate in an M16. - It has a mechanical backup due to worries about ECM and/or EMP? - It's the "worlds greatest trigger" based on a single prototype? The concept is cool and I wish him well, but I won't be swapping out my Geissele SSAs for a battery operated Rube Goldberg FCG anytime soon 
</Luddite> Just to clarify on the rate of fire, it's simply a dwell setting that would delay the release of the hammer for the next shot. It doesn't change the mechanical cyclic rate like changing out buffers/springs/etc. My Airgun Designs X-Mag has a similar mechanical backup mechanism. The mechanical backup is more for if the batteries die rather than ECM or EMP.
The real problem with this type of trigger is it will be very difficult for it not to exhibit trigger bounce, effectively producing full-auto. I have no reason to doubt anything you wrote
My issue with his claim is the number itself. Unless he is talking about installing his trigger in an M231 firing port weapon that operates from an open bolt, he isn't going to get 1000 rounds per minute with anything in the M4/M16 family. I'm probably splitting hairs, but details are important if he wants to be seen as credible ... at least to me
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Posted: 10/23/2014 9:21:13 AM EDT
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The only legal electronic triggers on firearms are on single-shot competition guns (e.g. Morini 84E). O RLY? |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 9:29:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no reason to doubt anything you wrote My issue with his claim is the number itself. Unless he is talking about installing his trigger in an M231 firing port weapon that operates from an open bolt, he isn't going to get 1000 rounds per minute with anything in the M4/M16 family. I'm probably splitting hairs, but details are important if he wants to be seen as credible ... at least to me Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Neat, but a few things came immediately to mind: - No "break point" huh? - Accuracy is exponentially increased? - 1000 rounds per minute in full auto mode? Wow, I had no idea that the fire control group dictated the cyclic rate in an M16. - It has a mechanical backup due to worries about ECM and/or EMP? - It's the "worlds greatest trigger" based on a single prototype? The concept is cool and I wish him well, but I won't be swapping out my Geissele SSAs for a battery operated Rube Goldberg FCG anytime soon </Luddite> Just to clarify on the rate of fire, it's simply a dwell setting that would delay the release of the hammer for the next shot. It doesn't change the mechanical cyclic rate like changing out buffers/springs/etc. My Airgun Designs X-Mag has a similar mechanical backup mechanism. The mechanical backup is more for if the batteries die rather than ECM or EMP. The real problem with this type of trigger is it will be very difficult for it not to exhibit trigger bounce, effectively producing full-auto. I have no reason to doubt anything you wrote My issue with his claim is the number itself. Unless he is talking about installing his trigger in an M231 firing port weapon that operates from an open bolt, he isn't going to get 1000 rounds per minute with anything in the M4/M16 family. I'm probably splitting hairs, but details are important if he wants to be seen as credible ... at least to me Obviously a stock M4 won't go that fast and an M16 is even slower. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 5:14:24 AM EDT
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Disregard. I see there isn't an actual ruling on the legality of stuff like this.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 5:43:14 AM EDT
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It won't go full auto without a auto sear anyway, so I don't understand why its illegal
Free Quote HistoryQuoted: It's already been decided as not legal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like they took electric paintball marker electronics and fitted them into an ar lower, the ATF will Looove this. It's already been decided as not legal. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 5:56:08 AM EDT
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If you need me I will be throwing away my Geissele's
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Posted: 10/24/2014 5:57:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:24:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistorySo when you get a letter ending like that, the proper answer, is a signed letter simply stating : ' shall not be infringed, motherfucker ! ' right ? 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:44:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very, very clean benchrest trigger. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I understand the advantages to be had in military applications being able to set the ROF, but for civilians with semi-auto only I don't really get it. Very, very clean benchrest trigger. |
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