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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:58:15 PM EDT
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Soooooo... Ban hammer? Again? |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:59:33 PM EDT
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His status is in review by Sr.Staff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are .... familiar. (stolen from NorCal) Bama So who was he previously? 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:02:46 PM EDT
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California is decriminalizing driving in a suspended and as I understand they aren't going to stop for it. I can see a future where things are handled less in the field and more with garnishments and judgements. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:07:23 PM EDT
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Should the impending hammer mean we're on dick pic alert?
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:09:32 PM EDT
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Ahh... the state with such good ideas such as prop 47. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:10:17 PM EDT
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His status is in review by Sr.Staff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are .... familiar. (stolen from NorCal) Bama So who was he previously? |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:11:23 PM EDT
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Prop 13 was where they went full retard, but I don't see any reason that traffic infractions need to be handled in criminal court. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ahh... the state with such good ideas such as prop 47. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:11:45 PM EDT
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"Hassling the innocent?" I've never been pulled over when I was innocent. I've been pulled over and not been punished, gotten a few warnings, but I was always guilty. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:12:58 PM EDT
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Good luck putting judgments against the poor. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:14:09 PM EDT
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Curbing Traffic Stops Would Save Lives So why do cops rely so much on the practice? Enforcing traffic laws is a large share of what they do. http://reason.com/archives/2017/07/20/curbing-traffic-stops-would-save-lives Traffic stops are often an excuse for cops to search a car for drugs and guns. Curtailing police reliance on this pretext would free motorists from being dragooned to "consent" to searches for which the cops lack probable cause. True, the change would let criminals operate at less risk. But hassling the innocent to catch the guilty is an abuse of our constitutional principles. In Illinois last year, police conducted 2.17 million traffic stops. Just 8,938 yielded contraband—one bust for every 242 stops. The rare instances when police find evidence of a crime, Kutz told me, "don't justify the enormous social costs of widespread police interventions." This is an extremely inefficient way of detecting drug and gun crimes. It's also often discriminatory. "Minorities are more likely to be asked for consent to search, and less likely to have contraband," notes Karen Sheley, police practices director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois. The best option is not to abolish police traffic stops entirely, but to use them only when absolutely necessary. Accidents and impaired driving would require cops to deal face-to-face with motorists. But police could address missing license plates and broken taillights by taking photos and issuing tickets electronically. One of the chief purposes of law enforcement is enhancing public safety. Curtailing traffic stops wouldn't make the roads more dangerous. But it would save the lives of motorists and police who are now put in peril for no good reason. You're antifa, right? Not all that long ago, one of our guys stopped a car for speeding at 3am. wrote the girl a warning ticket and told her not to speed, and how dangerous it was. As soon as she was out of sight of the officer, she bumped her speed right back up there. She ended up not making a curve, flipped her SUV and totaled it..... and lost her left arm in the process. Oh, and totaled out another (parked) car. Yeah, speeding isn't dangerous or anything, and it doesn't hurt anyone. 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:15:57 PM EDT
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You're antifa, right? Not all that long ago, one of our guys stopped a car for speeding at 3am. wrote the girl a warning ticket and told her not to speed, and how dangerous it was. As soon as she was out of sight of the officer, she bumped her speed right back up there. She ended up not making a curve, flipped her SUV and totaled it..... and lost her left arm in the process. Oh, and totaled out another (parked) car. Yeah, speeding isn't dangerous or anything, and it doesn't hurt anyone. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:16:41 PM EDT
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True, the change would let criminals operate at less risk. But hassling the innocent to catch the guilty is an abuse of our constitutional principles. In Illinois last year, police conducted 2.17 million traffic stops. Just 8,938 yielded contraband—one bust for every 242 stops. So since we're throwing numbers around... Population of Chicago: 2.7 million. Population of Cook County: 5.2 million Population of the "collar" counties and Cook: 8.3 million Population of the state of Illinois: 12.8 million So what's the number of equipment and moving violations that were issued? |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:16:43 PM EDT
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Take it from their EITC next April. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good luck putting judgments against the poor. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:20:10 PM EDT
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There are a couple of other retreads that have been posting for 6 months. And some that have been here far longer than that |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:22:53 PM EDT
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We make traffic stops so that you have something to talk about at parties.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:24:57 PM EDT
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Since resisting arrest injures so many suspects and police officers...
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:25:30 PM EDT
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We make traffic stops so that you have something to talk about at parties. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:25:37 PM EDT
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California is decriminalizing driving in a suspended and as I understand they aren't going to stop for it. I can see a future where things are handled less in the field and more with garnishments and judgements. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:28:30 PM EDT
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You are .... familiar. (stolen from NorCal) Bama 
Good shoot Bama.......  .......
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:30:05 PM EDT
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California is decriminalizing driving in a suspended and as I understand they aren't going to stop for it. I can see a future where things are handled less in the field and more with garnishments and judgements. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:30:24 PM EDT
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Ayup. And some that have been here far longer than that Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are a couple of other retreads that have been posting for 6 months. And some that have been here far longer than that |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:30:32 PM EDT
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And, we're going to be garnishing... what, exactly? Quite a lot of the time, you're talking about people who are, for all intents and purposes, judgement proof. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:31:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:34:00 PM EDT
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https://s19.postimg.org/6y1vzfccj/not_a_cop.gif Good shoot Bama....... .......
https://s19.postimg.org/fknhfg5dv/shot-down.jpg 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:34:39 PM EDT
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Lol
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:40:53 PM EDT
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Actually courts are moving away from financial penalties and license suspension for the indigent and are beginning to push community service. I've seen proposals for Scandinavian style fines based on basically a percentage of yearly income. It's shocking to hear of a $20,000 traffic ticket but at a logical level I have to admit it's fair. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:41:21 PM EDT
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They are breaking the law and must be punished for doing so. It doesn't matter how many "lives" it would "save". 
You're really playing up this hard-line law and order shtick, aren't you? |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:42:55 PM EDT
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And, we're going to be garnishing... what, exactly? Quite a lot of the time, you're talking about people who are, for all intents and purposes, judgement proof. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:43:27 PM EDT
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Never will happen. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:45:16 PM EDT
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Ole_derpside concern thread obsessed with cops.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:46:45 PM EDT
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That works. I've seen proposals for Scandinavian style fines based on basically a percentage of yearly income. It's shocking to hear of a $20,000 traffic ticket but at a logical level I have to admit it's fair. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:46:52 PM EDT
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You're antifa, right? Not all that long ago, one of our guys stopped a car for speeding at 3am. wrote the girl a warning ticket and told her not to speed, and how dangerous it was. As soon as she was out of sight of the officer, she bumped her speed right back up there. She ended up not making a curve, flipped her SUV and totaled it..... and lost her left arm in the process. Oh, and totaled out another (parked) car. Yeah, speeding isn't dangerous or anything, and it doesn't hurt anyone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Curbing Traffic Stops Would Save Lives So why do cops rely so much on the practice? Enforcing traffic laws is a large share of what they do. http://reason.com/archives/2017/07/20/curbing-traffic-stops-would-save-lives Traffic stops are often an excuse for cops to search a car for drugs and guns. Curtailing police reliance on this pretext would free motorists from being dragooned to "consent" to searches for which the cops lack probable cause. True, the change would let criminals operate at less risk. But hassling the innocent to catch the guilty is an abuse of our constitutional principles. In Illinois last year, police conducted 2.17 million traffic stops. Just 8,938 yielded contraband—one bust for every 242 stops. The rare instances when police find evidence of a crime, Kutz told me, "don't justify the enormous social costs of widespread police interventions." This is an extremely inefficient way of detecting drug and gun crimes. It's also often discriminatory. "Minorities are more likely to be asked for consent to search, and less likely to have contraband," notes Karen Sheley, police practices director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois. The best option is not to abolish police traffic stops entirely, but to use them only when absolutely necessary. Accidents and impaired driving would require cops to deal face-to-face with motorists. But police could address missing license plates and broken taillights by taking photos and issuing tickets electronically. One of the chief purposes of law enforcement is enhancing public safety. Curtailing traffic stops wouldn't make the roads more dangerous. But it would save the lives of motorists and police who are now put in peril for no good reason. You're antifa, right? Not all that long ago, one of our guys stopped a car for speeding at 3am. wrote the girl a warning ticket and told her not to speed, and how dangerous it was. As soon as she was out of sight of the officer, she bumped her speed right back up there. She ended up not making a curve, flipped her SUV and totaled it..... and lost her left arm in the process. Oh, and totaled out another (parked) car. Yeah, speeding isn't dangerous or anything, and it doesn't hurt anyone. So what you are saying is that police stops for minor traffic violations doesn't save |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:48:07 PM EDT
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Yeah socialism is awesome. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:48:24 PM EDT
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IRS will take money from your refund for a judgement now won't they? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Never will happen. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:50:49 PM EDT
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That's not socialist and Scandinavia isn't socialist either.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:51:42 PM EDT
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In for the outcome. Where will I now get my daily allotment of police hate? Ole Slabside still had some more hate left to share...
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:54:19 PM EDT
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Fining someone a certain percentage of their labor isn't a bad idea. There's no logical or moral reason why a speeding ticket should break a poor family but not bother someone else at all. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:55:55 PM EDT
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Actually courts are moving away from financial penalties and license suspension for the indigent and are beginning to push community service. 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:57:24 PM EDT
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I remember when trolls has flair and pinache.
Now we have Slabside posting lame ass articles from reason.com. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:00:48 PM EDT
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Socialism is state or social ownership ofnhe means of production. By that measure Scandinavian commitment to capitalism actually surpasses ours. What they have is social democracy, which is harnessing the free market as an economic engine for a welfare state. I'm not a big fan of that either, but it isn't socialism. Fining someone a certain percentage of their labor isn't a bad idea. There's no logical or moral reason why a speeding ticket should break a poor family but not bother someone else at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fining someone a certain percentage of their labor isn't a bad idea. There's no logical or moral reason why a speeding ticket should break a poor family but not bother someone else at all. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:01:14 PM EDT
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Phishing for revenue.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:07:42 PM EDT
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You're antifa, right? Not all that long ago, one of our guys stopped a car for speeding at 3am. wrote the girl a warning ticket and told her not to speed, and how dangerous it was. As soon as she was out of sight of the officer, she bumped her speed right back up there. She ended up not making a curve, flipped her SUV and totaled it..... and lost her left arm in the process. Oh, and totaled out another (parked) car. Yeah, speeding isn't dangerous or anything, and it doesn't hurt anyone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Curbing Traffic Stops Would Save Lives So why do cops rely so much on the practice? Enforcing traffic laws is a large share of what they do. http://reason.com/archives/2017/07/20/curbing-traffic-stops-would-save-lives Traffic stops are often an excuse for cops to search a car for drugs and guns. Curtailing police reliance on this pretext would free motorists from being dragooned to "consent" to searches for which the cops lack probable cause. True, the change would let criminals operate at less risk. But hassling the innocent to catch the guilty is an abuse of our constitutional principles. In Illinois last year, police conducted 2.17 million traffic stops. Just 8,938 yielded contraband—one bust for every 242 stops. The rare instances when police find evidence of a crime, Kutz told me, "don't justify the enormous social costs of widespread police interventions." This is an extremely inefficient way of detecting drug and gun crimes. It's also often discriminatory. "Minorities are more likely to be asked for consent to search, and less likely to have contraband," notes Karen Sheley, police practices director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois. The best option is not to abolish police traffic stops entirely, but to use them only when absolutely necessary. Accidents and impaired driving would require cops to deal face-to-face with motorists. But police could address missing license plates and broken taillights by taking photos and issuing tickets electronically. One of the chief purposes of law enforcement is enhancing public safety. Curtailing traffic stops wouldn't make the roads more dangerous. But it would save the lives of motorists and police who are now put in peril for no good reason. You're antifa, right? Not all that long ago, one of our guys stopped a car for speeding at 3am. wrote the girl a warning ticket and told her not to speed, and how dangerous it was. As soon as she was out of sight of the officer, she bumped her speed right back up there. She ended up not making a curve, flipped her SUV and totaled it..... and lost her left arm in the process. Oh, and totaled out another (parked) car. Yeah, speeding isn't dangerous or anything, and it doesn't hurt anyone. If pulling people over was about safety, traffic tickets would have jail time and license revocation attached to them, rather than fines. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:09:15 PM EDT
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The punishment for crimes should be the same regardless of socioeconomic background. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:10:40 PM EDT
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Traffic stops are where police have the most legal leeway.
It's also the most likely avenue of people transporting illegal drugs/other contraband, and it's an activity that has enough legal reasons for a stop that it is difficult to obey all the laws all the time. As to the news story that the OP is referencing....didn't read. But the above is the answer to the thread title "Why do cops rely so much on the practice." |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:55:57 PM EDT
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Of course, the other take away from that story is that stopping her had no effect on her driving habits or ability. In fact, all the officer accomplished was making her *later* getting to where to she wanted to be. If pulling people over was about safety, traffic tickets would have jail time and license revocation attached to them, rather than fines. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Curbing Traffic Stops Would Save Lives So why do cops rely so much on the practice? Enforcing traffic laws is a large share of what they do. http://reason.com/archives/2017/07/20/curbing-traffic-stops-would-save-lives Traffic stops are often an excuse for cops to search a car for drugs and guns. Curtailing police reliance on this pretext would free motorists from being dragooned to "consent" to searches for which the cops lack probable cause. True, the change would let criminals operate at less risk. But hassling the innocent to catch the guilty is an abuse of our constitutional principles. In Illinois last year, police conducted 2.17 million traffic stops. Just 8,938 yielded contraband—one bust for every 242 stops. The rare instances when police find evidence of a crime, Kutz told me, "don't justify the enormous social costs of widespread police interventions." This is an extremely inefficient way of detecting drug and gun crimes. It's also often discriminatory. "Minorities are more likely to be asked for consent to search, and less likely to have contraband," notes Karen Sheley, police practices director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois. The best option is not to abolish police traffic stops entirely, but to use them only when absolutely necessary. Accidents and impaired driving would require cops to deal face-to-face with motorists. But police could address missing license plates and broken taillights by taking photos and issuing tickets electronically. One of the chief purposes of law enforcement is enhancing public safety. Curtailing traffic stops wouldn't make the roads more dangerous. But it would save the lives of motorists and police who are now put in peril for no good reason. You're antifa, right? Not all that long ago, one of our guys stopped a car for speeding at 3am. wrote the girl a warning ticket and told her not to speed, and how dangerous it was. As soon as she was out of sight of the officer, she bumped her speed right back up there. She ended up not making a curve, flipped her SUV and totaled it..... and lost her left arm in the process. Oh, and totaled out another (parked) car. Yeah, speeding isn't dangerous or anything, and it doesn't hurt anyone. If pulling people over was about safety, traffic tickets would have jail time and license revocation attached to them, rather than fines. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:58:51 PM EDT
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I hope no one takes this wrong but it seems as if the police in 2017 are the equivalent to the tax collectors of biblical times.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:04:53 PM EDT
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You are .... familiar. (stolen from NorCal) Bama |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:19:18 PM EDT
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In for the outcome. Where will I now get my daily allotment of police hate? Ole Slabside still had some more hate left to share... |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:21:34 PM EDT
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He'll be back.....again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In for the outcome. Where will I now get my daily allotment of police hate? Ole Slabside still had some more hate left to share... |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:23:14 PM EDT
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@ole_slabside Answer me, senpai. I want the man to have the oppurtunity to defend himself and his position. We're still waiting Edit: the above quote was time stamped at 1636 hours MST. It's now 1925 hours. What's the delay? |
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