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Posted: 3/3/2015 11:28:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .....traffic enforcement in Missouri.... Which is my claim. I couldn't give less fucks about traffic cops in MO. We have 49 other states.  |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 11:30:46 PM EDT
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The correct answer to "do you know how fast you were going" is "yes officer." Not "10 miles over" and admitting breaking the law or"no" which makes it difficult to argue in court that you weren't speeding.
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Posted: 3/3/2015 11:37:40 PM EDT
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The correct answer to "do you know how fast you were going" is "yes officer." Not "10 miles over" and admitting breaking the law or"no" which makes it difficult to argue in court that you weren't speeding. I never once asked that. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 11:41:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And how do you make people obey them without monetary pain? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dude cranks out twenty tickets a day, that's one serious prick. Sheriff departments usually don't give a shit about quotas either Most Deputy's could write 20 tickets if wanted. Most don't, around here anyway. He's a prick. This is the part I never understand. His job is to enforce traffic laws. Looks like he is doing his job. Why do you guys call him a "prick"? I feel that traffic laws are there for safety, not revenue generation. And how do you make people obey them without monetary pain? Flogging.  The "revenue generation" argument would go away if the fines were all paid to the State's general fund, and not the local governments. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 12:04:26 AM EDT
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I firmily believe that you can teach a squirrel monkey to run radar and write traffic tickets, I can say that because i would run radar on slow nights and unless they were other circumstances they better be going like 20 over. I just wish people in Florida would drive like they actually knew what the fok was going on around them . if you stat hunt you just stop everybody speeding from like 6 over and all you get is a warning or a day off in court. If you wait for the guy who is driving with no lights on, the wrong way on the highway, dragging shopping carts. Then you can say you prevented carnage of some sort. I got pulled over like 15 times in my town growing up for the same little shit things that are mentioned here and i really didnt like them and didnt want to be one.. Once I became one i learned that i did not have to be the one that would write his own grandmother...... even if i did check yes in the entrance exam.
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Posted: 3/4/2015 12:12:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I firmily believe that you can teach a squirrel monkey to run radar and write traffic tickets, I can say that because i would run radar on slow nights and unless they were other circumstances they better be going like 20 over. I just wish people in Florida would drive like they actually knew what the fok was going on around them . if you stat hunt you just stop everybody speeding from like 6 over and all you get is a warning or a day off in court. If you wait for the guy who is driving with no lights on, the wrong way on the highway, dragging shopping carts. Then you can say you prevented carnage of some sort. I got pulled over like 15 times in my town growing up for the same little shit things that are mentioned here and i really didnt like them and didnt want to be one.. Once I became one i learned that i did not have to be the one that would write his own grandmother...... even if i did check yes in the entrance exam. For sure. There are little boxes in some places that do it automatically.  |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 12:21:42 AM EDT
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I wrote more than this guy when I was in traffic and got zero OT for it. Court was all straight time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you guys don't think he is only doing this to fatten his own pockets with overtime you are smoking something. Not all cops get OT for traffic court. Only the midnight shift guys got OT for it where I worked. The traffic guys all worked day shift. In your judgement, do you think this guy writing this amount of tickets is going to court without compensation? I wrote more than this guy when I was in traffic and got zero OT for it. Court was all straight time. Yet he is compensated. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 12:31:54 AM EDT
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If you guys don't think he is only doing this to fatten his own pockets with overtime you are smoking something. Not all cops get OT for traffic court. Only the midnight shift guys got OT for it where I worked. The traffic guys all worked day shift. In your judgement, do you think this guy writing this amount of tickets is going to court without compensation? I wrote more than this guy when I was in traffic and got zero OT for it. Court was all straight time. Yet he is compensated. Yeah, and? |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 1:02:11 AM EDT
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If you guys don't think he is only doing this to fatten his own pockets with overtime you are smoking something. Not all cops get OT for traffic court. Only the midnight shift guys got OT for it where I worked. The traffic guys all worked day shift. In your judgement, do you think this guy writing this amount of tickets is going to court without compensation? I wrote more than this guy when I was in traffic and got zero OT for it. Court was all straight time. Yet he is compensated. Why should he not? He is operating in a police capacity fulfilling duties that come during his off days. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 1:32:52 AM EDT
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If you guys don't think he is only doing this to fatten his own pockets with overtime you are smoking something. Not all cops get OT for traffic court. Only the midnight shift guys got OT for it where I worked. The traffic guys all worked day shift. In your judgement, do you think this guy writing this amount of tickets is going to court without compensation? I wrote more than this guy when I was in traffic and got zero OT for it. Court was all straight time. Yet he is compensated. You think we'd go to court for free? |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 8:31:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You think we'd go to court for free? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yet he is compensated. You think we'd go to court for free?  |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 8:37:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you guys don't think he is only doing this to fatten his own pockets with overtime you are smoking something. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 8:39:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I never once asked that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The correct answer to "do you know how fast you were going" is "yes officer." Not "10 miles over" and admitting breaking the law or"no" which makes it difficult to argue in court that you weren't speeding. I never once asked that. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 9:26:13 AM EDT
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I wonder how many felony arrests he's made.
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Posted: 3/4/2015 9:26:33 AM EDT
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May Officer 'Go F*ck Yourself' of the infamous St. Ann MO speed trap move into your township and start writing tickets. That would cool your shitty attitude at the misfortunes of other drivers! 
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 @ the butthurt in this thread.May Officer 'Go F*ck Yourself' of the infamous St. Ann MO speed trap move into your township and start writing tickets. That would cool your shitty attitude at the misfortunes of other drivers!
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Posted: 3/4/2015 9:27:27 AM EDT
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Dude cranks out twenty tickets a day, that's one serious prick. Sheriff departments usually don't give a shit about quotas either Considering that each one probably averages 15 minutes, he's spending 5 hours a day focused on petty shit. Great police work. 15 minutes? Unless something goes sideways I average 7-8 minutes. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 9:29:10 AM EDT
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In your judgement, do you think this guy writing this amount of tickets is going to court without compensation? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you guys don't think he is only doing this to fatten his own pockets with overtime you are smoking something. Not all cops get OT for traffic court. Only the midnight shift guys got OT for it where I worked. The traffic guys all worked day shift. In your judgement, do you think this guy writing this amount of tickets is going to court without compensation? Work for free? No thanks. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 9:30:29 AM EDT
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Not all cops get OT for traffic court. Only the midnight shift guys got OT for it where I worked. The traffic guys all worked day shift. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you guys don't think he is only doing this to fatten his own pockets with overtime you are smoking something. Not all cops get OT for traffic court. Only the midnight shift guys got OT for it where I worked. The traffic guys all worked day shift. Same here. Other guys rotate to areas like the airport or SRO's for the last three years so they don't have pending court cases after retirement. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 9:32:04 AM EDT
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OT vs. standard time depends on the situation. Departments around here have cut down OT considerably and are fucking with people's schedules complicating court times.
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Posted: 3/4/2015 9:54:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/4/2015 9:59:01 AM EDT
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Thought it was going to a "Respect my Authoritah" type post. Decent advice instead. Still, in on one. That is impossible. All police are "respect mah authority" types...I've been told this time and again...this is a fake video. ALL cops just want to shoot your dag and take your legally carried firearm.... |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 10:03:11 AM EDT
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Other guys rotate to areas like the airport or SRO's for the last three years so they don't have pending court cases after retirement. We didn't do that. There were a lot of happy motorists when I retired. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 10:19:55 AM EDT
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3. More traffic means more police: Police target areas where the traffic is heavy in an effort to prevent accidents. We actually did just this. One specific area, traffic is now slower (closer to speed limit) and much fewer red light vios because of the flood of officers in the area. Accident rate there dropped 30%. Not some fable... |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 10:22:24 AM EDT
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A guy I went to school with reported that his town simply disbanded their entire police department when they started pulling shit like that.
The general consensus of the small town is that they are better off without them. They now use the State Police if they have anything serious to deal with. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 10:31:30 AM EDT
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I don't want to sound like a know it all Aimless but as to the suggestions...............well DUH!!
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Posted: 3/4/2015 10:31:33 AM EDT
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We actually did just this. One specific area, traffic is now slower (closer to speed limit) and much fewer red light vios because of the flood of officers in the area. Accident rate there dropped 30%. Not some fable... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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3. More traffic means more police: Police target areas where the traffic is heavy in an effort to prevent accidents. We actually did just this. One specific area, traffic is now slower (closer to speed limit) and much fewer red light vios because of the flood of officers in the area. Accident rate there dropped 30%. Not some fable... I wrote thousands of tickets at the same "Accident Prone Location" set by the department month after month. Accidents didn't go down at all. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 10:32:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I firmily believe that you can teach a squirrel monkey to run radar and write traffic tickets, I can say that because i would run radar on slow nights and unless they were other circumstances they better be going like 20 over. I just wish people in Florida would drive like they actually knew what the fok was going on around them . if you stat hunt you just stop everybody speeding from like 6 over and all you get is a warning or a day off in court. If you wait for the guy who is driving with no lights on, the wrong way on the highway, dragging shopping carts. Then you can say you prevented carnage of some sort. I got pulled over like 15 times in my town growing up for the same little shit things that are mentioned here and i really didnt like them and didnt want to be one.. Once I became one i learned that i did not have to be the one that would write his own grandmother...... even if i did check yes in the entrance exam. but but but da law is da law! Good job. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 10:33:49 AM EDT
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........... I wrote thousands of tickets at the same "Accident Prone Location" set by the department month after month. Accidents didn't go down at all. Hotel districts don't count.
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Posted: 3/4/2015 10:35:13 AM EDT
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Geez, I think I barely cracked double digits last year.
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Posted: 3/4/2015 10:51:34 AM EDT
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Obey the speed limit. Obey traffic control devices. Keep your vehicle in good shape. Actually that's about it....or should be. The average officer has enough common sense to know what to do. The problem comes when the city fathers decide to turn the local department into revenue generators. Occasionally a CLEO will start ordering cops to write up a bunch of tickets to prove to the city fathers that the force is keeping everyone safe or that they can pay for themselves or whatever he's trying to do to build his empire. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 11:30:39 AM EDT
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The correct answer to "do you know how fast you were going" is "yes officer." Not "10 miles over" and admitting breaking the law or"no" which makes it difficult to argue in court that you weren't speeding. I never once asked that. I never asked it even once. If I didn't KNOW exactly how fast they were going, I wouldn't have stopped them. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 11:32:13 AM EDT
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I never asked it even once. If I didn't KNOW exactly how fast they were going, I wouldn't have stopped them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The correct answer to "do you know how fast you were going" is "yes officer." Not "10 miles over" and admitting breaking the law or"no" which makes it difficult to argue in court that you weren't speeding. I never once asked that. I never asked it even once. If I didn't KNOW exactly how fast they were going, I wouldn't have stopped them. The only thing are judges cared about was what the radar said. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 11:36:48 AM EDT
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Actually that's about it....or should be. The average officer has enough common sense to know what to do. The problem comes when the city fathers decide to turn the local department into revenue generators. Occasionally a CLEO will start ordering cops to write up a bunch of tickets to prove to the city fathers that the force is keeping everyone safe or that they can pay for themselves or whatever he's trying to do to build his empire. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obey the speed limit. Obey traffic control devices. Keep your vehicle in good shape. Actually that's about it....or should be. The average officer has enough common sense to know what to do. The problem comes when the city fathers decide to turn the local department into revenue generators. Occasionally a CLEO will start ordering cops to write up a bunch of tickets to prove to the city fathers that the force is keeping everyone safe or that they can pay for themselves or whatever he's trying to do to build his empire. You're in PA right? We get a whole $12.50 out of your standard $128.50 traffic citation. That's if the person pleads guilty or is found guilty in court. For an average 5mph over speeding ticket (what most get reduced to at court) we get $17.50. All the rest goes to costs, courts, the state etc. And that's after the pay me 3 hours OT to go to traffic court. Even if I have 20 cases in one day and they're all found guilty they are just barely making money, sometimes breaking even, but usually it's a negative sum. Traffic tags are not the huge revenue generator GD claims them to be, at least not in Pennsylvania. And let's just break this down average wise and give myself a 100% conviction rate, which never happens: Say I have 20 cases spread out over two court days. Let's say 19 are for speeding (being generous) and 1 is a suspended driver (being generous) For two traffic court days I make $291 total. Say I give each speeder 5 over deals with no points, which I usually do. That's 17.50×19=332.50 The suspended driver is fou d guilty with a $100 fine to the township. That's $432.50 I "generated" the township, minus what I get paid equals $141.50 in revenue for 20 citations. And that's a generous average. If I used my actual stats for a month of citations which include less speeders and more general citations, lack of getting any money from suspended drivers, etc I'm sure they're only breaking even if not losing money. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 11:38:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It really is just that simple. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The entire list is pure common sense, at least it seems that way to me. Drive fast, get tickets, drive slow, don't get tickets. It really is just that simple. Around here, provided you're not in a school zone or a construction area, you are safe doing 9 MPH over with pretty much every PD (state, county, and local) except for one village police department. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 11:39:34 AM EDT
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Around here, provided you're not in a school zone or a construction area, you are safe doing 9 MPH over with pretty much every PD (state, county, and local) except for one village police department. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The entire list is pure common sense, at least it seems that way to me. Drive fast, get tickets, drive slow, don't get tickets. It really is just that simple.
Around here, provided you're not in a school zone or a construction area, you are safe doing 9 MPH over with pretty much every PD (state, county, and local) except for one village police department. At radar training we were told to give 15 mph over minimum before stopping someone. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 11:39:51 AM EDT
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The only thing are judges cared about was what the radar said. Yep. And why even ask? It would be like asking, "Have you been drinking?" |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 11:41:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They do it upstate somewhat regularly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The correct answer to "do you know how fast you were going" is "yes officer." Not "10 miles over" and admitting breaking the law or"no" which makes it difficult to argue in court that you weren't speeding. I never once asked that. Either that or "Do you know why I pulled you over?" |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 11:41:25 AM EDT
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Around here, provided you're not in a school zone or a construction area, you are safe doing 9 MPH over with pretty much every PD (state, county, and local) except for one village police department. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The entire list is pure common sense, at least it seems that way to me. Drive fast, get tickets, drive slow, don't get tickets. It really is just that simple.
Around here, provided you're not in a school zone or a construction area, you are safe doing 9 MPH over with pretty much every PD (state, county, and local) except for one village police department. Yep, we always gave them 10 miles as a "bumper" for speeding, except in a school zone, where it was 5 miles over. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 11:46:41 AM EDT
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he needs more donuts
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Posted: 3/4/2015 11:48:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At radar training we were told to give 15 mph over minimum before stopping someone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The entire list is pure common sense, at least it seems that way to me. Drive fast, get tickets, drive slow, don't get tickets. It really is just that simple. Around here, provided you're not in a school zone or a construction area, you are safe doing 9 MPH over with pretty much every PD (state, county, and local) except for one village police department. At radar training we were told to give 15 mph over minimum before stopping someone. I've driven downstate and that doesn't surprise me. Around here I've seen lots of tickets for 60 in a 45 or 45 in a 30. If I see one for 65 in a 55 it's invariably written by a trooper, and it's almost certain that he gave a "roadside reduction." One time on the NJ turnpike I was doing 90 and I was getting passed like I was going backwards. I had to go that fast to keep up with the flow of traffic in the "slow" lane. Passed a cop sitting on the median. I don't know what his radar alarm was set at but the newspaper that he was reading didn't move as I went by. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 12:07:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. And why even ask? It would be like asking, "Have you been drinking?" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only thing are judges cared about was what the radar said. Yep. And why even ask? It would be like asking, "Have you been drinking?" |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 12:09:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Either that or "Do you know why I pulled you over?" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The correct answer to "do you know how fast you were going" is "yes officer." Not "10 miles over" and admitting breaking the law or"no" which makes it difficult to argue in court that you weren't speeding. I never once asked that. Either that or "Do you know why I pulled you over?"  |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 12:17:04 PM EDT
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In conclusion, it is our experience here that traffic agents in uniform are usually the dregs of law enforcement in the department, and all too often, are themselves one step ahead of an internal affairs investigation or lawsuit. Nah, it's usually narco guys. From the large, 2-part St. Louis Post Dispatch expose on bad cops and bad policing titled "Bad Cops Bounce From City to City" Most of these guys were ACE ticket writers for the municipalities they worked for. . . http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/ea/3ea55687-6141-5e2b-a078-92e4c4786957/54137a06b853e.preview-620.jpg Shit like that always leaves me scratching my head. For all the shit NY LEOs get, if you get bounced from a department in NY, your LE career is done. (Then again, a lot of the departments in NY pay pretty well, with good benefits, so there's no shortage of qualified applicants. No reason to roll the dice on someone "iffy.") Quoted:
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Posted: 3/4/2015 12:24:12 PM EDT
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The only thing are judges cared about was what the radar said. Yep. And why even ask? It would be like asking, "Have you been drinking?" Not in Texas.
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Posted: 3/4/2015 12:29:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/4/2015 12:32:48 PM EDT
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The only thing are judges cared about was what the radar said. Yep. And why even ask? It would be like asking, "Have you been drinking?" Why you would admit guilt in that situation is beyond me. For Christ's sake, it says on many insurance cards, "In case of an accident - Don't admit fault." |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 12:34:51 PM EDT
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In a few countries in Europe some "serious" traffic infractions - such as speeding and DUI - result in a fine that is based on your annual income. The logic is that the punishment thus hurts everyone equally (meaning that rich guys fear the law as much as regular folks).
Recently, an executive in Finland got a speeding ticket of about $60,000 for going about 14 mph over the limit.
ETA: A few years ago (also in Finland), a Nokia executive got a speeding ticket of almost $100,000. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 2:37:07 PM EDT
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He likes those Failure to move over and cell phone sections
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Posted: 3/4/2015 2:54:25 PM EDT
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3. More traffic means more police: Police target areas where the traffic is heavy in an effort to prevent accidents. We actually did just this. One specific area, traffic is now slower (closer to speed limit) and much fewer red light vios because of the flood of officers in the area. Accident rate there dropped 30%. Not some fable... I wrote thousands of tickets at the same "Accident Prone Location" set by the department month after month. Accidents didn't go down at all. We had one light here in town where people were running it regularly. It was due to the light being so short. Like 3 seconds. There were all kinds of accidents. Instead of fixing the light they assigned officers to ticket red light violators. Did not have any effect on the accident rate. Only when they fixed the light to a reasonable time (ding ding!) did the accidents suddenly disappear. Alot of stupidty on the city's part. True common sense was lacking. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 2:56:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He likes those Failure to move over and cell phone sections Since the law went into effect, over 50% of the tickets I've handled have been failure to move over. They've outnumbered speeding by probably 1.5:1. |
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