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Posted: 10/28/2013 7:28:26 PM EDT
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Why is this survey considered valid? The survey was conducted solely by the magazine's subscribers(hardly a representative sample) of what they claim is 1.1 million vehicles. Even if they did have that many subscribers, there were over 254 million passenger cars in the US as of 2007. There are issues with the survey methodology, but sample size isn't one of 'em. What are the issues? They ask questions and compile the experiences of those that actually own, drive and maintain the cars. For how long? What different types of cars? Every car that they rate is rated by owner responses. Milage varies ....... certainly on newer modes the milage is low. |
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Posted: 10/28/2013 7:31:21 PM EDT
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do the suggest any mid-size pickups? frontier? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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4Runner FTW  I clicked through the cnn page. Odd that they put this below some of these, including 4runner: "Recommended: No" ... but they don't provide any elaboration. I have the latest addition of CR ratings. 4 runner comments.........Bad ride, clumsy handling, leans in corners,bobs and bounces,high step in , low ceiling, unimpressive fit and finish...... listed as negatives. Excellent reliability is listed. The Taco is not recommended for similar reasons. do the suggest any mid-size pickups? frontier? Honda Ridgeline is rated first..... Frontier second.... both recommended. |
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Posted: 10/28/2013 7:36:10 PM EDT
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Some of the vehicles on that list are, in fact, made in America. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a single American car manufacturer on your list...... Some of the vehicles on that list are, in fact, made in America. Better than most American car manufacturers, then. The only reason Japanese companies manufacture here is lower overhead, cheaper land, and a skilled labor force. Because they're made here doesn't necessarily mean they are American. |
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Posted: 10/28/2013 7:40:01 PM EDT
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I have a legacy. I see no reason to ever buy another brand of car, unless for some reason GM buys them.
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Posted: 10/28/2013 7:40:04 PM EDT
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Better than most American car manufacturers, then. The only reason Japanese companies manufacture here is lower overhead, cheaper land, and a skilled labor force. Because they're made here doesn't necessarily mean they are American. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a single American car manufacturer on your list...... Some of the vehicles on that list are, in fact, made in America. Better than most American car manufacturers, then. The only reason Japanese companies manufacture here is lower overhead, cheaper land, and a skilled labor force. Because they're made here doesn't necessarily mean they are American. That's the truth. Manufactures found that they can build cars cheaper in the US than they can in Germany, Japan, or any other comparable country. American workers don't get 6 weeks off and all the benefits the workers do in other developed countries and are not paid as well..... plus, we have a huge skilled workforce. It's why GM should have been left to fail. Some other company that was run much better would have jumped right in and in a year or two we wouldn't have missed GM on any level. |
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Posted: 10/28/2013 7:47:22 PM EDT
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'99 Audi A4 2.8L here. Love that little damn thing. Does better than any truck I've ever had in the snow, considering it can clear the depth. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a single American car manufacturer on your list...... Because America sucks at making cars. Totally agree. I drive a VW Passat TDi FWIW...... '99 Audi A4 2.8L here. Love that little damn thing. Does better than any truck I've ever had in the snow, considering it can clear the depth. My S4 was a beast when I lived in Colorado. |
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Posted: 10/28/2013 7:56:13 PM EDT
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Because America UAW sucks at making cars. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a single American car manufacturer on your list...... Because America UAW sucks at making cars. FIFY. |
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Posted: 10/28/2013 7:57:55 PM EDT
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I have the latest addition of CR ratings. 4 runner comments.........Bad ride, clumsy handling, leans in corners,bobs and bounces,high step in , low ceiling, unimpressive fit and finish...... listed as negatives. Excellent reliability is listed. The Taco is not recommended for similar reasons. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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4Runner FTW I clicked through the cnn page. Odd that they put this below some of these, including 4runner: "Recommended: No" ... but they don't provide any elaboration. I have the latest addition of CR ratings. 4 runner comments.........Bad ride, clumsy handling, leans in corners,bobs and bounces,high step in , low ceiling, unimpressive fit and finish...... listed as negatives. Excellent reliability is listed. The Taco is not recommended for similar reasons. I recently bought a certified '11 4Runner for my wife to drive. I am 6'2" tall and have absolutely no headroom issues, front seat or back. Not sure where they get "unimpressive fit and finish" either, seems pretty solid to me. As for the other comments, what do they expect from a body on frame SUV? Can't please everyone I guess. |
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Posted: 10/28/2013 8:03:57 PM EDT
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8/18 are Toyotas...color me surprised
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Posted: 10/28/2013 9:48:33 PM EDT
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RELIABLE?
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Posted: 10/28/2013 9:56:17 PM EDT
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RELIABLE? Will somebody here tell me what the bleeding fuck Consumer douche-reports knows about RELIABILITY? They compile information from actual owners. They ask for problem areas and owners report them. Engine problems, breaks, transmission etc. They then see how many owners actually report a specific problem and that number is shown in their charts. So, they use real world information from actual owners...... can't beat it. Kind of like what goes on here...... " I'm looking at buying an XXXXX, what do you guys think"....... and then actual owners or those that have knowledge about said vehicle will post...... " check for this and that...... that model is known to have bad XXXXXXX" . CR is the BEST resource for predicting or learning of a vehicles reliability potential. For some of the more popular cars, I would guess that they compile data based on millions of miles driven. |
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Posted: 10/28/2013 10:03:43 PM EDT
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How do you gauge reliability based on owner opinion of a brand new car?
Audi/Volkswagen/Porsche and reliability in the same sentence is an absolute joke. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 4:24:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Toyota gets 8/18, but their resale value is pure koolaid drinking according to some here. I saw that thread on the Toyota truck resale value, I did the KBB private party value for my 2003 Tacoma that I paid $23K for in 2003, came back as $17K  |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:50:28 AM EDT
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Why is this survey considered valid? The survey was conducted solely by the magazine's subscribers(hardly a representative sample) of what they claim is 1.1 million vehicles. Even if they did have that many subscribers, there were over 254 million passenger cars in the US as of 2007. There are issues with the survey methodology, but sample size isn't one of 'em. What are the issues? They ask questions and compile the experiences of those that actually own, drive and maintain the cars. For how long? What different types of cars? Every car that they rate is rated by owner responses. Milage varies ....... certainly on newer modes the milage is low. They do not publish the numbers of reponses per vehicle, and - as you say - it's all based on an owenr survey. Thus, all the known issues regarding bias and survays come into play - there is no objective look at actual reliability, just owner interpretations. We also know nothign about preventive maintenance. This has led to some infamous findings, like when two identical vehicles, off of the same assembly line, made by the same workers, and only "different" due to "brand engineering," get very different marks for engine reliability. It is probably a safe assumption, that a devout reader of Consumer Reports is leery of the reliability of US-make cars, and may even buy the recommended cars in the magazine. Buyers who buy things for a given reason are notoriously known to lack impartiality as to whether that reason is realized. To illustrate this with an extreme, a person convinced their Lexus is a super reliable car might theoretically dismiss a constant transmission slippage as a minor issue, while a person who buys a used Ford because it was cheap, and cannot start his car one mroning because the battery is dead, might see this a a "serious" repair issue - ("I mean hell, the engine wouldn't even start and I couldn't get to work that day! POS Ford! CR warned me it was a POS, but I went with what was cheaper. I learned my lesson"). What I would like to see is a system by which 10 year old cars were randomly sampled and their repair history reviewed by competent mechanics. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:57:15 AM EDT
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Quoted: 6. Luxury SUV - Lexus RX I have a 2001 Lexus RX with over 200k miles. The thing drives like the day I bought it. Best car I have ever owned. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:03:27 AM EDT
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6. Luxury SUV - Lexus RX I have a 2001 Lexus RX with over 200k miles. The thing drives like the day I bought it. Best car I have ever owned. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a 2001 Lexus RX with over 200k miles. The thing drives like the day I bought it. Best car I have ever owned. My wife had a '99 RX and a '03 RX (traded that one for a 4Runner). Both were very solid vehicles and I am surprised at how well the interior held up on both. No squeaks, rattles, buzzes, etc in either. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:17:06 AM EDT
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Some of the vehicles on that list are, in fact, made in America. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a single American car manufacturer on your list...... Some of the vehicles on that list are, in fact, made in America. "American Car Manufacturer" And I know, I believe Toyota claims that 75% of the parts in the Tundra originate in the USA or Canada (Assembled in Texas?).......I believe that's more than the GM Silverado. I saw that information in a Toyota YouTube video, so it must be true. 
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:19:26 AM EDT
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I own a 2012 S5 and my friend who works there told me flat out "Do not keep this car past 50,000 miles". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anytime you put an Audi at the top of a reliability list, I know your list is full of shit. Glad I'm not the only one. I am a big fan of Audi. I just happen to live 150 miles away from the closest VAG service department, so I know I should never own one. I own a 2012 S5 and my friend who works there told me flat out "Do not keep this car past 50,000 miles". 2002 GTI 350whp owned since brand new. Have 110K, of which the car was modded 100K. Only thing ever to fail was a coilpack, and waterpump at 80,000. My brother has a 700hp 2005 Audi S4. Quite reliable. Stock drivetrain. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:30:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because American Unions sucks at making cars. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not a single American car manufacturer on your list...... Because American Unions sucks at making cars. FIFY |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:39:26 AM EDT
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I don't trust Consumer Reports as far as I can throw a magazine.
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Anytime you put an Audi at the top of a reliability list, I know your list is full of shit. Glad I'm not the only one. I am a big fan of Audi. I just happen to live 150 miles away from the closest VAG service department, so I know I should never own one. I own a 2012 S5 and my friend who works there told me flat out "Do not keep this car past 50,000 miles". 2002 GTI 350whp owned since brand new. Have 110K, of which the car was modded 100K. Only thing ever to fail was a coilpack, and waterpump at 80,000. My brother has a 700hp 2005 Audi S4. Quite reliable. Stock drivetrain. Really? Lost a waterpump and ignition coils within 100K? And that's good? My Impala is at 130K. The only problem I've had is a glitch in the radio electronics. I change my oil every 9-10K and put gas in it and it keeps going. Drives like the day I bought it. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:08:44 AM EDT
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Really? Lost a waterpump and ignition coils within 100K? And that's good? My Impala is at 130K. The only problem I've had is a glitch in the radio electronics. I change my oil every 9-10K and put gas in it and it keeps going. Drives like the day I bought it. Going from 180hp to 400hp with stock everything minus the clutch, and replacing the waterpump? Yes, that's quite good. Says a lot about drivetrain durability. Coilpacks were replaced as part of a recall. Does your Impala push 20psi of boost and run 12's in the 1/4? |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:17:55 AM EDT
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Not a single American car manufacturer on your list...... Because America sucks at making cars. Obviously you don't drive an American car. I do. I have a 2007 Ford Explorer. So far, I have rebuilt the transmission. Replace cracked block heater needs the abs sensor replaced needs new front bearings. 134000 milies. Americans suck at making cars. Because they are UNION. Not because they are Americans. TXL |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:18:41 AM EDT
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Going from 180hp to 400hp with stock everything minus the clutch, and replacing the waterpump? Yes, that's quite good. Says a lot about drivetrain durability. Coilpacks were replaced as part of a recall. Does your Impala push 20psi of boost and run 12's in the 1/4? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Really? Lost a waterpump and ignition coils within 100K? And that's good? My Impala is at 130K. The only problem I've had is a glitch in the radio electronics. I change my oil every 9-10K and put gas in it and it keeps going. Drives like the day I bought it. Going from 180hp to 400hp with stock everything minus the clutch, and replacing the waterpump? Yes, that's quite good. Says a lot about drivetrain durability. Coilpacks were replaced as part of a recall. Does your Impala push 20psi of boost and run 12's in the 1/4? Fair enough. I don't understand the failure of the pump, though. Quoted:
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Obviously you don't drive an American car. I do. I have a 2007 Ford Explorer. So far, I have rebuilt the transmission. Replace cracked block heater needs the abs sensor replaced needs new front bearings. 134000 milies. Americans suck at making cars. Because they are UNION. Not because they are Americans. TXL The fuck? That's insane. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:30:30 AM EDT
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Fair enough. I don't understand the failure of the pump, though. I had an older model pump that used a plastic propeller that shattered. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:31:23 AM EDT
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only thing that surprises me is that the Ridgeline beat the Tacoma
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:34:35 AM EDT
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I had an older model pump that used a plastic propeller that shattered. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fair enough. I don't understand the failure of the pump, though. I had an older model pump that used a plastic propeller that shattered. Ah, did you have to replace the entire pump, or just the prop? |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:44:22 AM EDT
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Ah, did you have to replace the entire pump, or just the prop? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fair enough. I don't understand the failure of the pump, though. I had an older model pump that used a plastic propeller that shattered. Ah, did you have to replace the entire pump, or just the prop? Whole. It's about the size of a clenched fist. PITA to get to, and requires removing the timing belt. 
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:46:22 AM EDT
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Not a single American car manufacturer on your list...... Honda makes vehicles in the US. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:47:04 AM EDT
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What a joke. I have one of the cars on that list, and it is a complete POS.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:47:13 AM EDT
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Forester, FTW  Damn straight. My 2004 has only asked for gas, oil and a 40k service. I plan on driving it at least another 4 years. Based on how nice the new Foresters are, that will be on the short list. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:49:44 AM EDT
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I can't believe there are only 5 Toyotas listed (if you include the Scion). 
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:49:53 AM EDT
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They compile information from actual owners. They ask for problem areas and owners report them. Engine problems, breaks, transmission etc. They then see how many owners actually report a specific problem and that number is shown in their charts. So, they use real world information from actual owners...... can't beat it. Kind of like what goes on here...... " I'm looking at buying an XXXXX, what do you guys think"....... and then actual owners or those that have knowledge about said vehicle will post...... " check for this and that...... that model is known to have bad XXXXXXX" . CR is the BEST resource for predicting or learning of a vehicles reliability potential. For some of the more popular cars, I would guess that they compile data based on millions of miles driven. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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RELIABLE? Will somebody here tell me what the bleeding fuck Consumer douche-reports knows about RELIABILITY? They compile information from actual owners. They ask for problem areas and owners report them. Engine problems, breaks, transmission etc. They then see how many owners actually report a specific problem and that number is shown in their charts. So, they use real world information from actual owners...... can't beat it. Kind of like what goes on here...... " I'm looking at buying an XXXXX, what do you guys think"....... and then actual owners or those that have knowledge about said vehicle will post...... " check for this and that...... that model is known to have bad XXXXXXX" . CR is the BEST resource for predicting or learning of a vehicles reliability potential. For some of the more popular cars, I would guess that they compile data based on millions of miles driven. Utter Bullshit! Do a search, Consumer Reports has so much total anti-American auto bias it's not even funny!!! 
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:51:13 AM EDT
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Not a single American car manufacturer on your list...... Honda makes vehicles in the US. Most Foreign cars source the most important parts from original foreign plants like the motor and drivetrain. While the rest of the cars are assembled here. The car is still mostly foreign designed. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:51:29 AM EDT
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Not a single American car manufacturer on your list...... The Subaru Legacy is made in Indiana. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:52:40 AM EDT
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Anytime you put an Audi at the top of a reliability list, I know your list is full of shit. Glad I'm not the only one. It's at the top of the list for that category. It is not the number 2 most reliable car by a long shot. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:55:03 AM EDT
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Not a single American car manufacturer on your list...... Because America sucks at making cars. Sorta not true and sorta true: I have one of the cars in the list: the Mazda 5. Mine is a 2008 and we bought it new. -motor & drivetrain are Japanese Mazda -chasis is made by Volvo in Sweden, and -Ford & Ford Europe made many other parts like suspension, including: -Shocks failed at 60K miles: they are marked "FoMoCo" -Brakes have been turned once under warranty & now need to be replaced at 65K miles. Yep - FoMoCo. The U.S. "beg 3" or Detroit car makers SUCK at making cars. Only product I might consider from them would be a truck, though Toyotas are just as good/better for my purpose (just wish they would import a HiLux). -Power steering failed while my wife was driving on the highway. Warrantied (they did not identify the source of the parts, but I have a hunch they were FoMoCo parts). |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:55:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:56:39 AM EDT
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How do you gauge reliability based on owner opinion of a brand new car? Audi/Volkswagen/Porsche and reliability in the same sentence is an absolute joke. Because they use info from previous years of the same car. If a car has a major redesign or is a completely new model, they will say that they can't predict reliability. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:59:55 AM EDT
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They compile information from actual owners. They ask for problem areas and owners report them. Engine problems, breaks, transmission etc. They then see how many owners actually report a specific problem and that number is shown in their charts. So, they use real world information from actual owners...... can't beat it. Kind of like what goes on here...... " I'm looking at buying an XXXXX, what do you guys think"....... and then actual owners or those that have knowledge about said vehicle will post...... " check for this and that...... that model is known to have bad XXXXXXX" . CR is the BEST resource for predicting or learning of a vehicles reliability potential. For some of the more popular cars, I would guess that they compile data based on millions of miles driven. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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RELIABLE? Will somebody here tell me what the bleeding fuck Consumer douche-reports knows about RELIABILITY? They compile information from actual owners. They ask for problem areas and owners report them. Engine problems, breaks, transmission etc. They then see how many owners actually report a specific problem and that number is shown in their charts. So, they use real world information from actual owners...... can't beat it. Kind of like what goes on here...... " I'm looking at buying an XXXXX, what do you guys think"....... and then actual owners or those that have knowledge about said vehicle will post...... " check for this and that...... that model is known to have bad XXXXXXX" . CR is the BEST resource for predicting or learning of a vehicles reliability potential. For some of the more popular cars, I would guess that they compile data based on millions of miles driven. Some people prefer to believe the reliability report that was bought and paid for by the Beg 3 UAW companies. Its called "J.D. Power" - and it is a total f**ing joke. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:01:38 AM EDT
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I recently bought a certified '11 4Runner for my wife to drive. I am 6'2" tall and have absolutely no headroom issues, front seat or back. Not sure where they get "unimpressive fit and finish" either, seems pretty solid to me. As for the other comments, what do they expect from a body on frame SUV? Can't please everyone I guess. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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4Runner FTW I clicked through the cnn page. Odd that they put this below some of these, including 4runner: "Recommended: No" ... but they don't provide any elaboration. I have the latest addition of CR ratings. 4 runner comments.........Bad ride, clumsy handling, leans in corners,bobs and bounces,high step in , low ceiling, unimpressive fit and finish...... listed as negatives. Excellent reliability is listed. The Taco is not recommended for similar reasons. I recently bought a certified '11 4Runner for my wife to drive. I am 6'2" tall and have absolutely no headroom issues, front seat or back. Not sure where they get "unimpressive fit and finish" either, seems pretty solid to me. As for the other comments, what do they expect from a body on frame SUV? Can't please everyone I guess. Agreed. We have a 2010, drives like a tank. Frame only for me. I think the interior is just fine. It's not a Lexus. Leather is decent and controls feel correct for most everything. Aside from changing the oil we love it. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:04:11 AM EDT
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Sorta not true and sorta true: I have one of the cars in the list: the Mazda 5. Mine is a 2008 and we bought it new. -motor & drivetrain are Japanese Mazda -chasis is made by Volvo in Sweden, and -Ford & Ford Europe made many other parts like suspension, including: -Shocks failed at 60K miles: they are marked "FoMoCo" -Brakes have been turned once under warranty & now need to be replaced at 65K miles. Yep - FoMoCo. The U.S. "beg 3" or Detroit car makers SUCK at making cars. Only product I might consider from them would be a truck, though Toyotas are just as good/better for my purpose (just wish they would import a HiLux). -Power steering failed while my wife was driving on the highway. Warrantied (they did not identify the source of the parts, but I have a hunch they were FoMoCo parts). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a single American car manufacturer on your list...... Because America sucks at making cars. Sorta not true and sorta true: I have one of the cars in the list: the Mazda 5. Mine is a 2008 and we bought it new. -motor & drivetrain are Japanese Mazda -chasis is made by Volvo in Sweden, and -Ford & Ford Europe made many other parts like suspension, including: -Shocks failed at 60K miles: they are marked "FoMoCo" -Brakes have been turned once under warranty & now need to be replaced at 65K miles. Yep - FoMoCo. The U.S. "beg 3" or Detroit car makers SUCK at making cars. Only product I might consider from them would be a truck, though Toyotas are just as good/better for my purpose (just wish they would import a HiLux). -Power steering failed while my wife was driving on the highway. Warrantied (they did not identify the source of the parts, but I have a hunch they were FoMoCo parts). I have the same vehicle and purchased it new in 2007 ...... the first model year for the 5. I love it and it's been a good vehicle. The power steering pump failed on mine at about 30K or so and was replaced under warranty. I spent about an hour or so at the dealership getting it changed and was surprised how quickly they got it done. They had a bunch of pumps that sat for awhile and rusted. The rust collecting in the pump caused the failure. No big deal and Mazda took care of it quickly. I replaced the rear shocks at 30k myself with high quality aftermarket...... yeah, the shocks sucked. Replaced front breaks myself at 50K with Brembo rotors and Hawk pads...... rear breaks are still good at 70K. I consider this very normal maintenance. So, outside of the bad shocks that cost me about 60.00 to replace and one easy recall, that's it for my 5. We love it. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:06:47 AM EDT
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Not a single American car manufacturer on your list...... Because America sucks at making cars. Because US Car makers are in the annuity and healthcare business. UAW.... 
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:12:57 AM EDT
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Honda Fit FTW!
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:13:51 AM EDT
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Why is this survey considered valid? The survey was conducted solely by the magazine's subscribers(hardly a representative sample) of what they claim is 1.1 million vehicles. Even if they did have that many subscribers, there were over 254 million passenger cars in the US as of 2007. There are issues with the survey methodology, but sample size isn't one of 'em. Like asking soccer moms what they like............is that one of them? |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:15:41 AM EDT
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I have the same vehicle and purchased it new in 2007 ...... the first model year for the 5. I love it and it's been a good vehicle. The power steering pump failed on mine at about 30K or so and was replaced under warranty. I spent about an hour or so at the dealership getting it changed and was surprised how quickly they got it done. They had a bunch of pumps that sat for awhile and rusted. The rust collecting in the pump caused the failure. No big deal and Mazda took care of it quickly. I replaced the rear shocks at 30k myself with high quality aftermarket...... yeah, the shocks sucked.Replaced front breaks myself at 50K with Brembo rotors and Hawk pads...... rear breaks are still good at 70K. I consider this very normal maintenance.So, outside of the bad shocks that cost me about 60.00 to replace and one easy recall, that's it for my 5.e love it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a single American car manufacturer on your list...... Because America sucks at making cars. Sorta not true and sorta true: I have one of the cars in the list: the Mazda 5. Mine is a 2008 and we bought it new. -motor & drivetrain are Japanese Mazda -chasis is made by Volvo in Sweden, and -Ford & Ford Europe made many other parts like suspension, including: -Shocks failed at 60K miles: they are marked "FoMoCo" -Brakes have been turned once under warranty & now need to be replaced at 65K miles. Yep - FoMoCo. The U.S. "beg 3" or Detroit car makers SUCK at making cars. Only product I might consider from them would be a truck, though Toyotas are just as good/better for my purpose (just wish they would import a HiLux). -Power steering failed while my wife was driving on the highway. Warrantied (they did not identify the source of the parts, but I have a hunch they were FoMoCo parts). I have the same vehicle and purchased it new in 2007 ...... the first model year for the 5. I love it and it's been a good vehicle. The power steering pump failed on mine at about 30K or so and was replaced under warranty. I spent about an hour or so at the dealership getting it changed and was surprised how quickly they got it done. They had a bunch of pumps that sat for awhile and rusted. The rust collecting in the pump caused the failure. No big deal and Mazda took care of it quickly. I replaced the rear shocks at 30k myself with high quality aftermarket...... yeah, the shocks sucked.Replaced front breaks myself at 50K with Brembo rotors and Hawk pads...... rear breaks are still good at 70K. I consider this very normal maintenance.So, outside of the bad shocks that cost me about 60.00 to replace and one easy recall, that's it for my 5.e love it. I forgot: Airbags: replaced left side under warranty around 25K miles. At 58K, the light comes on again, and jack-hole service advisor wants to charge us $2,000 to replace right side airbags and modules Tells my wife - yeah, the warranty expires at 30K. WRONG. We send them a picture of the owner's manual: warranty extends to 60K, not 30 on airbags. Dealer hemmed and hawed; we made threats, they blamed us & claimed my wife bumped something with the front bumper, causing the failure (airbags have never deployed.). Finally, they offer us "2 hours - free!" of a mechanic's time to fix a system still under warranty. Their fix? - 2 zip ties. Yep - they zip-tied the exposed connectors under the passenger's seat. Funny thing is: it worked. Even more funny is: - their fix cost them 50 cents. But MY bill to fix would have been $2000, and they were happy to take my money (if I had not fought them). My advice if you own a 5: never put ANYTHING under the front seats. -BTW - ever try changing the headlight bulb? |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:20:30 AM EDT
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Why would anyone want to drive a Government Motors Obama-subsidized car? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a single American car manufacturer on your list...... Because America sucks at making cars. Obviously you don't drive an American car. Why would anyone want to drive a Government Motors Obama-subsidized car? Word. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:33:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An Audi at #2?  There is something wrong with that list. I suspect that the survey is heavily flawed based on natural bias. Consumer Reports has been heavily biased towards foreign cars for decades, their subscribers are naturally going to be like minded individuals, it is only natural that when you survey their readers you are going to find a bias towards foreign vehicles. Just like if you took a survey of subscribers to "Black Panther" magazine, you would probably get a somewhat biased result. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:36:42 AM EDT
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I've always wondered how they determine these lists. I mean, are they looking at reliability to 50k or 150k?
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Too bad the ridgeline is so fugly. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile And it's not really useful as a truck. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:37:13 AM EDT
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Not a single American car manufacturer on your list...... The Subaru Legacy is made in Indiana. Subaru is a Japanese car manufacturer. That manufactures the specific model car that's on the list in America. Ford, Chevy, and Dodge all now have overseas/Canadian/Mexican plants, assembling cars from parts manufactured outside of the US. There are no American car manufacturers any more. |
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