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Posted: 1/13/2014 8:33:21 AM EDT
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I thought he smoked massive amounts of it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama hates the weed. They are going to wait, build a case and then come down on the weed shops and their gun owning users like two tons of bricks. Wait and see. I thought he smoked massive amounts of it? 
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Posted: 1/13/2014 8:41:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/banks-financing-mexico-s-drug-cartels-admitted-in-wells-fargo-s-u-s-deal.html Everyone knows the real money is in the cartels.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/12/us/banks-say-no-to-marijuana-money-legal-or-not.html?_r=1 TL:DR Banks, even state ones want nothing to do with the finances of the (il)legal drug trade. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/banks-financing-mexico-s-drug-cartels-admitted-in-wells-fargo-s-u-s-deal.html Everyone knows the real money is in the cartels. I guess knowing what you're doing is illegal makes it easier to conduct business compared to grey markets. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 8:48:52 AM EDT
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since when does not enforcing the law mean it is void?
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Posted: 1/13/2014 9:04:14 AM EDT
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TL:DR Banks, even state ones want nothing to do with the finances of the (il)legal drug trade. Yet they launder drug money on a daily basis and provide banking to illegals. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 9:09:10 AM EDT
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I would just like to see some fidelity to the foundational law rather than the acceptance that it can be amended at will by judicial fiat. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 9:22:03 AM EDT
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This is the standard answer with regard to carry permits. The state attorney general is actively looking at possession, purchasing, and sale as well. Am I eligible for a permit if I have a medical marijuana card or own a dispensary? No. C.R.S. 18-12-203(c) states: A sheriff shall issue a permit to carry to an applicant who is not ineligible to possess a firearm pursuant to Federal Law. Federal Law 18 USC 922(g) (3) prohibits any person who is an unlawful user of, or addicted to, any controlled substance from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing firearms or ammunition. Marijuana is listed in the Controlled Substances Act as a Schedule I controlled substance, and there are no exceptions in Federal Law for marijuana purportedly used for medicinal purposes, even if such use is sanctioned by State Law. Further, Federal Law 18 USC 922(d) (3) makes it unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person is an unlawful user of, or addicted to, a controlled substance. Any person who uses or is addicted to marijuana, regardless of whether his/her state has passed legislation authorizing marijuana use for medicinal purposes, is an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance, and is prohibited by Federal Law from possessing firearms or ammunition.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 9:27:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet they launder drug money on a daily basis and provide banking to illegals. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: TL:DR Banks, even state ones want nothing to do with the finances of the (il)legal drug trade. Yet they launder drug money on a daily basis and provide banking to illegals. Risk/reward. Cartels have more money, are willing to pay for laundering services and aren't going to talk about it; unlike some hippy selling weed out of a quasi-legal dispensary. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 9:31:54 AM EDT
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I would just like to see some fidelity to the foundationallaw rather than the acceptance that it can be amended at will by judicial fiat. The system is broken, so people try whatever they can within the existing framework. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 9:44:11 AM EDT
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Obama hates the weed. They are going to wait, build a case and then come down on the weed shops and their gun owning users like two tons of bricks. Wait and see. I hope the Kenyan is stupid enough to do that. It would piss a huge # of the hippies off, and cost the communists even more support here in Colorado. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 9:53:48 AM EDT
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He did before the conversion. 
Obama and Co are not the friends of the weed smokers like they thought he would be. More weed raids on medical weed shops have taken place during his time in office. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama hates the weed. They are going to wait, build a case and then come down on the weed shops and their gun owning users like two tons of bricks. Wait and see. I thought he smoked massive amounts of it? He did before the conversion.
Obama and Co are not the friends of the weed smokers like they thought he would be. More weed raids on medical weed shops have taken place during his time in office. I think you're seeing this all wrong, Bama. All the raids aren't because he hates teh ganja, it's because he wants to keep it all for himself and the wookie. Legal weed = less for the white house staff. Sorry for the hijack. You guys carry on with your legalspeak that I don't understand... 
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Posted: 1/13/2014 4:27:48 PM EDT
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since when does not enforcing the law mean it is void? no one said it was void. and i'm not even saying one would win a case like this. but, it's worth a shot as MJ is a much easier sell to the court than MG (did I just write that?) You don't have medicinal NFA (hey, that gives me another idea) |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 5:29:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: no one said it was void. and i'm not even saying one would win a case like this. but, it's worth a shot as MJ is a much easier sell to the court than MG (did I just write that?) You don't have medicinal NFA (hey, that gives me another idea) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: since when does not enforcing the law mean it is void? no one said it was void. and i'm not even saying one would win a case like this. but, it's worth a shot as MJ is a much easier sell to the court than MG (did I just write that?) You don't have medicinal NFA (hey, that gives me another idea) Quit thinking... before you have an accident. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 5:35:10 PM EDT
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I thought he smoked massive amounts of it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama hates the weed. They are going to wait, build a case and then come down on the weed shops and their gun owning users like two tons of bricks. Wait and see. I thought he smoked massive amounts of it? It is not the weed he hates. He hates that states are using it as a way to say FU to the fed and fed drug laws. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 5:52:28 PM EDT
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no one said it was void. and i'm not even saying one would win a case like this. but, it's worth a shot as MJ is a much easier sell to the court than MG (did I just write that?) You don't have medicinal NFA (hey, that gives me another idea) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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since when does not enforcing the law mean it is void? no one said it was void. and i'm not even saying one would win a case like this. but, it's worth a shot as MJ is a much easier sell to the court than MG (did I just write that?) You don't have medicinal NFA (hey, that gives me another idea) Shooting MGs is a great source of stress relief for me personally.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 5:59:52 PM EDT
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Shooting MGs is a great source of stress relief for me personally. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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since when does not enforcing the law mean it is void? no one said it was void. and i'm not even saying one would win a case like this. but, it's worth a shot as MJ is a much easier sell to the court than MG (did I just write that?) You don't have medicinal NFA (hey, that gives me another idea) Shooting MGs is a great source of stress relief for me personally. Probably more expensive though (due to the current laws regarding FA and of course demand for munitions these days). |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:07:21 PM EDT
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Internal dem polling before Nov elections will be what decides MJ's short term fate in CO.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:13:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Obama hates you using the weed without collecting the taxes. They are going to wait, build a case and then come down on the weed shops and their gun owning users like two tons of bricks. Wait and see. FIFY |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:17:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FIFY Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Obama hates you using the weed without collecting the taxes. They are going to wait, build a case and then come down on the weed shops and their gun owning users like two tons of bricks. Wait and see. FIFY The man straight up hates weed. More than Bush, even. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:17:33 PM EDT
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Obama hates the weed. They are going to wait, build a case and then come down on the weed shops and their gun owning users like two tons of bricks. Wait and see. No Obama loves weed, why? Because its going to give the perfect reason to take guns away from a bunch of US citizens. Remember the end game is no guns for anyone, so that he can declare himself the next King George. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:23:48 PM EDT
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He did before the conversion.
Obama and Co are not the friends of the weed smokers like they thought he would be. More weed raids on medical weed shops have taken place during his time in office. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama hates the weed. They are going to wait, build a case and then come down on the weed shops and their gun owning users like two tons of bricks. Wait and see. I thought he smoked massive amounts of it? He did before the conversion.
Obama and Co are not the friends of the weed smokers like they thought he would be. More weed raids on medical weed shops have taken place during his time in office. Obama is just watching the Federal employees back. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:27:55 PM EDT
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No pot thread is actually about marihuana. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:30:38 PM EDT
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Tagged. I don't understand all this lawyer-talk but I want to. Then take your skull full of mush and go to law school! 
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:43:12 PM EDT
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Disagree. The Dems are floating ballot measures in several states because pro-pot voters tend to vote for Dems. But back on topic, in Colorado, they are scanning your ID if you buy recreational MJ. I wonder who is maintaining that database and where is the info going? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama hates the weed. They are going to wait, build a case and then come down on the weed shops and their gun owning users like two tons of bricks. Wait and see. Disagree. The Dems are floating ballot measures in several states because pro-pot voters tend to vote for Dems. But back on topic, in Colorado, they are scanning your ID if you buy recreational MJ. I wonder who is maintaining that database and where is the info going? I said Obama, not the dems. While free the weed brings out the dems and libs, proof in the pudding is Obama has stepped up enforcement on "legal" weed. Stoners are haven't figured that part out yet and it shows on here when out resident stoners think Obama is proweed. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:45:56 PM EDT
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I hope the Kenyan is stupid enough to do that. It would piss a huge # of the hippies off, and cost the communists even more support here in Colorado. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama hates the weed. They are going to wait, build a case and then come down on the weed shops and their gun owning users like two tons of bricks. Wait and see. I hope the Kenyan is stupid enough to do that. It would piss a huge # of the hippies off, and cost the communists even more support here in Colorado. Only the gun owning hippies. He is lame duck. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:47:06 PM EDT
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I said Obama, not the dems. While free the weed brings out the dems and libs, proof in the pudding is Obama has stepped up enforcement on "legal" weed. Stoners are haven't figured that part out yet and it shows on here when out resident stoners think Obama is proweed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama hates the weed. They are going to wait, build a case and then come down on the weed shops and their gun owning users like two tons of bricks. Wait and see. Disagree. The Dems are floating ballot measures in several states because pro-pot voters tend to vote for Dems. But back on topic, in Colorado, they are scanning your ID if you buy recreational MJ. I wonder who is maintaining that database and where is the info going? I said Obama, not the dems. While free the weed brings out the dems and libs, proof in the pudding is Obama has stepped up enforcement on "legal" weed. Stoners are haven't figured that part out yet and it shows on here when out resident stoners think Obama is proweed. I personally think these ballot measures are a one-time desperate shot for the Dems. It paid off in Colorado, but are those voters going to come back and vote Dem again now that the issue is essentially off the table? I'm guessing not unless Republicans threaten to make it illegal again. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:50:09 PM EDT
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I personally think these ballot measures are a one-time desperate shot for the Dems. It paid off in Colorado, but are those voters going to come back and vote Dem again now that the issue is essentially off the table? I'm guessing not unless Republicans threaten to make it illegal again. So it's a sure thing then? Just look at the demographics of those who strongly disagree with making cannabis legal and read any of the threads about it here. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:58:32 PM EDT
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So it's a sure thing then? Just look at the demographics of those who strongly disagree with making cannabis legal and read any of the threads about it here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I personally think these ballot measures are a one-time desperate shot for the Dems. It paid off in Colorado, but are those voters going to come back and vote Dem again now that the issue is essentially off the table? I'm guessing not unless Republicans threaten to make it illegal again. So it's a sure thing then? Just look at the demographics of those who strongly disagree with making cannabis legal and read any of the threads about it here. and I wouldn't disagree with you on that note either. They certainly don't help themselves at any rate. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 8:07:13 PM EDT
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/banks-financing-mexico-s-drug-cartels-admitted-in-wells-fargo-s-u-s-deal.html Everyone knows the real money is in the cartels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/12/us/banks-say-no-to-marijuana-money-legal-or-not.html?_r=1 TL:DR Banks, even state ones want nothing to do with the finances of the (il)legal drug trade. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/banks-financing-mexico-s-drug-cartels-admitted-in-wells-fargo-s-u-s-deal.html Everyone knows the real money is in the cartels. I would rather back and finance the cartels too, just because I can't stand the majority of the people involved in the Denver legal? drug trade. Does anyone else laugh their ass off at the liberal faggots that love to spout that 0bamacare is THE LAW OF THE LAND and must be enforced are the exact ones that say the fed gov should ignore the drug laws? |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 8:08:39 PM EDT
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So it's a sure thing then? Just look at the demographics of those who strongly disagree with making cannabis legal and read any of the threads about it here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I personally think these ballot measures are a one-time desperate shot for the Dems. It paid off in Colorado, but are those voters going to come back and vote Dem again now that the issue is essentially off the table? I'm guessing not unless Republicans threaten to make it illegal again. So it's a sure thing then? Just look at the demographics of those who strongly disagree with making cannabis legal and read any of the threads about it here. Yup. You'll see the usual bunch of old bible beaters or people who just hate the 'culture' talking about how we need to re criminalize the demon weed while there's still time to save society while using zero rational facts of logic to back up their position. Just like Birth control and Gay issues. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 8:15:30 PM EDT
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no one said it was void. and i'm not even saying one would win a case like this. but, it's worth a shot as MJ is a much easier sell to the court than MG (did I just write that?) You don't have medicinal NFA (hey, that gives me another idea) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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since when does not enforcing the law mean it is void? no one said it was void. and i'm not even saying one would win a case like this. but, it's worth a shot as MJ is a much easier sell to the court than MG (did I just write that?) You don't have medicinal NFA (hey, that gives me another idea) You're going to sell MJ to a federal court? 
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Posted: 1/13/2014 8:16:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe state needs to start a credit union for this purpose. issue debit cards for weed purchase. remove all cash from the industry. Then those cards will get traded like EBT/WIC ones. Regardless of the form, money is money. Unless they tax the cards when loaded, the IRS heads will explode. |
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Posted: 1/14/2014 4:36:10 AM EDT
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no one said it was void. and i'm not even saying one would win a case like this. but, it's worth a shot as MJ is a much easier sell to the court than MG (did I just write that?) You don't have medicinal NFA (hey, that gives me another idea) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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since when does not enforcing the law mean it is void? no one said it was void. and i'm not even saying one would win a case like this. but, it's worth a shot as MJ is a much easier sell to the court than MG (did I just write that?) You don't have medicinal NFA (hey, that gives me another idea) Therapy dog? Therapy M-16. |
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Posted: 1/14/2014 4:36:36 AM EDT
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The man straight up hates weed. More than Bush, even. Because coke is better! |
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Posted: 1/14/2014 5:23:26 AM EDT
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Yup. You'll see the usual bunch of old bible beaters or people who just hate the 'culture' talking about how we need to re criminalize the demon weed while there's still time to save society while using zero rational facts of logic to back up their position. Just like Birth control and Gay issues. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I personally think these ballot measures are a one-time desperate shot for the Dems. It paid off in Colorado, but are those voters going to come back and vote Dem again now that the issue is essentially off the table? I'm guessing not unless Republicans threaten to make it illegal again. So it's a sure thing then? Just look at the demographics of those who strongly disagree with making cannabis legal and read any of the threads about it here. Yup. You'll see the usual bunch of old bible beaters or people who just hate the 'culture' talking about how we need to re criminalize the demon weed while there's still time to save society while using zero rational facts of logic to back up their position. Just like Birth control and Gay issues. Or we read Aldous Huxley. Take your Soma. A stoned voter is never an angry voter. |
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Posted: 1/14/2014 5:27:58 AM EDT
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Obama hates the weed. They are going to wait, build a case and then come down on the weed shops and their gun owning users like two tons of bricks. Wait and see. I thought he smoked massive amounts of it? It's almost like he's a goddamn hypocrite. Oh wait... he IS a goddamn hypocrite. Penn Jillette's rant on this issue covers it better than I ever could. Google it. Fox aired it when he made it... even though it came from his podcast which is highly atheist. |
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Posted: 1/14/2014 5:31:53 AM EDT
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... Or we read Aldous Huxley. Take your Soma. A stoned voter is never an angry voter. 
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Posted: 1/14/2014 5:36:05 AM EDT
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It's almost like he's a goddamn hypocrite. Oh wait... he IS a goddamn hypocrite. Penn Jillette's rant on this issue covers it better than I ever could. Google it. Fox aired it when he made it... even though it came from his podcast which is highly atheist. NSFW language BTW
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Posted: 1/14/2014 10:38:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's almost like he's a goddamn hypocrite. Oh wait... he IS a goddamn hypocrite. Penn Jillette's rant on this issue covers it better than I ever could. Google it. Fox aired it when he made it... even though it came from his podcast which is highly atheist. NSFW language BTW  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWWOJGYZYpk |
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Posted: 1/14/2014 11:22:49 AM EDT
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All I can say is, less fed more state.
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Posted: 1/14/2014 12:28:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would rather back and finance the cartels too, just because I can't stand the majority of the people involved in the Denver legal? drug trade. Does anyone else laugh their ass off at the liberal faggots that love to spout that 0bamacare is THE LAW OF THE LAND and must be enforced are the exact ones that say the fed gov should ignore the drug laws? They want to outlaw guns yet they've been smoking illegal dope. |
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Posted: 1/14/2014 12:40:00 PM EDT
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We just need to wait for the first denial of purchase or arrest. It'll be interesting if any national firearms rights group will get involved in the fray. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama hates the weed. They are going to wait, build a case and then come down on the weed shops and their gun owning users like two tons of bricks. Wait and see. Which, is why I think a timely lawsuit as a declaratory action would force their hands now, and can be used against them in other matters. We just need to wait for the first denial of purchase or arrest. It'll be interesting if any national firearms rights group will get involved in the fray. Partner Chris Williams, the only marijuana provider arrested in the crackdown to go to trial, was found guilty of eight drug and weapons charges. Montana Cannabis partner sentenced to probation http://www.businessinsider.com/montana-medical-marijuana-federal-crackdown-2013-5 Pot advocates were running caravans, helping hundreds of residents in a day get medical marijuana user cards. Some doctors who conducted cursory exams on scores of people were fined. "For a long time, we were hearing complaints from local law enforcement and from citizens ... that they were tired of marijuana and they were tired of it next to schools, to churches, people smoking it openly on the streets," In Montana, what started out as a system to provide marijuana to those with health problems turned the state into a source for drug trafficking, Cotter said. The industry had ballooned so much and so quickly that drug traffickers were operating under the guise of medicinal caregivers, and the pot was being sent to users in New Jersey, Virginia, Colorado and other states, he said. Now, marijuana is still in Montana http://www.cannabisnews.org/montana-medical-marijuana-industry-on-wane/2012/01/02/ He didn’t mention anyone by name but one Missoula resident, Jason Christ, became infamous for Internet “tele-clinics” and traveling “cannabis caravans” where physicians provided medical marijuana recommendations for hundreds of people in a few hours. “I know that the people in my home community are happy that the storefronts are no longer present and the billboards are not actively promoting the product and sending messages to the youth of the community.” |
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