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Posted: 2/12/2013 3:52:59 PM EDT

[#1]

The same way they will enforce the "universal checks"...they can't

Posted: 2/12/2013 3:53:54 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:

How the hell to they expect to enforce that?

Magpul needs to cease dating mags NOW.

Posted: 2/12/2013 3:53:58 PM EDT

[#3]

the speaker a foreigner a Brit? He accent sounds UNAMERICAN

Posted: 2/12/2013 3:54:54 PM EDT

[#4]

"Commandos running up and down the halls with AK47s won't make our kids safer"

Posted: 2/12/2013 3:55:31 PM EDT

[#5]

This guy might be retarded.

Posted: 2/12/2013 3:55:31 PM EDT

[#6]

Speaker is from England, immigrated here and naturalized us cit.

Posted: 2/12/2013 3:56:15 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Here is the possession issue:

HB 13-1224

"A person may possess a large-capacity magazine if he or she owns the large-capacity magazine on the effective date of the bill and maintains continuous possession of
the large-capacity magazine.

A person who sells, transfers, or possesses a large-capacity magazine in violation of the new provision commits a class 2 misdemeanor."

So just new ones got it.

Still dont give a fuck Cheyenne here I come.

Posted: 2/12/2013 3:56:23 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

This guy might be retarded.

And he's a teacher.

"Using data - whether it's verifiable or not - it's common sense to say if high capacity magazines and assault weapons were eliminated, we would have less kids murdered"

Posted: 2/12/2013 3:57:23 PM EDT

[#9]

No more proponents. Returning to opponents after a short recess.

Posted: 2/12/2013 3:57:34 PM EDT

[#10]

Finally, opponents are coming up.

Posted: 2/12/2013 3:57:40 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
This guy might be retarded.

And he's a teacher.

"Using data - whether it's verifiable or not - it's common sense to say if high capacity magazines and assault weapons were eliminated, we would have less kids murdered"

his gums flappling was annoying in the mic.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:03:49 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I just ordered 10 more 30rd PMAGs.

I think this one is gonna make it out of committee.

Unconstitutional laws aren't laws. I'm sure they'll be selling Pmags in Utah.

Wyoming is closer for andra and me.

And yes I'll be making the drive fuck em.

This bans possession right?

It does but I don't give a fuck.

Existing ones already owned at the time the bill is signed are grandfathered in.

How the hell to they expect to enforce that?

There's another part that any new mags made in CO will need to be serialized. But as long as you can find an out of state mag with a born on date before the law is signed, they'll have no way to prove anything. Unenforceable laws are unenforceable. Now we get to deal with "pre-ban" shit all over again.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:04:14 PM EDT

[#13]

I'm sick as a dog or I would be there . When are the next election?

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:07:29 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
This guy might be retarded.

And he's a teacher.

"Using data - whether it's verifiable or not - it's common sense to say if high capacity magazines and assault weapons were eliminated, we would have less kids murdered"

WHAT
THE
FUCK,
OVER

And he's a TEACHER????? No wonder our schools suck.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:08:09 PM EDT

[#15]

Back now, believe it's Magpul testifying now.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:08:57 PM EDT

[#16]

Yep, Magpul testifying now.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:10:35 PM EDT

[#17]

"We have aggressive expansion plans in CO in the next 5 years. That plan has already been halted due to this bill."

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:10:44 PM EDT

[#18]

The fucking daggers that Fields is shooting out of her eyes should be banned. Been that way every time the opposers speak.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:12:23 PM EDT

[#19]

House Chair trying to tell Magpul that this bill is not reading as Magpul (and myself and many others!) read it. Magpul could continue to manufacture PMAGs here.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:12:37 PM EDT

[#20]

This thread makes me nervous! Come on CO stay strong!

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:13:01 PM EDT

[#21]

Waiting for Magpul to pull a LaRue...

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:13:06 PM EDT

[#22]

Piers morgan wanna be:

Mr. Magpul, you will still be able to manufacture magpul items here, you just can't sell them to Colorado peasants.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:13:43 PM EDT

[#23]

Gardner is puzzled by Kagan's comments as he reads the bill the same way Magpul does.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:13:47 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
House Chair trying to tell Magpul that this bill is not reading as Magpul (and myself and many others!) read it. Magpul could continue to manufacture PMAGs here.

Why stay in a state that says you are making a product that you can't sell there?

Unless they plan on having an exception for po-po, that is.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:13:49 PM EDT

[#25]

WTF?... what's w/ the redcoat prick chairman?

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:14:30 PM EDT

[#26]

Magpul = $400mil company, making lots of money.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:16:00 PM EDT

[#27]

In 2010, Magpul fulfilled 1,000,000 magazine order for British MoD. This follows line of questioning by Gardner trying to understand the bill.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:16:24 PM EDT

[#28]

Under the terms of this bill, Magpul couldn't manufacture magazines for places like Britain under this bill.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:17:12 PM EDT

[#29]

No exemption for Magpul employees to possess the magazines even during production. No provisions for transport, possession, etc.

Magpul would have to leave CO very quickly if this bill passes.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:17:42 PM EDT

[#30]

"Basically we've engaged in national security legislation in who it would be appropriate for you to manufacture for and who it wouldn't be [...] which is astounding to me."

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:18:00 PM EDT

[#31]

Rep Gardner: "I share your concern about this bill."

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:18:12 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:
House Chair trying to tell Magpul that this bill is not reading as Magpul (and myself and many others!) read it. Magpul could continue to manufacture PMAGs here.

Why stay in a state that says you are making a product that you can't sell there?

Unless they plan on having an exception for po-po, that is.

Of course there's a LEO exception. Page 4, section 3 A and B: A department, agency, or political subdivision of the state of colorado, or any other state, or fed. gov or a LEO on or off duty.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:18:18 PM EDT

[#33]

Rep Kagan: "I'm beginning to understand your concerns."

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:19:09 PM EDT

[#34]

"Does not state that your employees cannot be charged with possession. I don't think it's the intent of the bill to prohibit the manufacture."

Rep Kagan

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:20:28 PM EDT

[#35]

Rep Fields, sponsor of the bill, "will accept amendment to make it clear that there is no ban on manufacture in CO"

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:20:35 PM EDT

[#36]

might as well start packing NOW.

you cant tell a company WHO they can and cannot make plastic/polymer parts for! LMFAO what a crcok

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:21:38 PM EDT

[#37]

Their interpretation doesn't mean jack. The bill needs to be clear...and Magpul needs to end sales to any Colorado agency if this passes. Hell, they need to move all of their revenue out of this state even if it passes with an amendment to allow production.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:22:28 PM EDT

[#38]

Bill drafter speaking now, claims that it's supposed to exempt manufacture.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:22:45 PM EDT

[#39]

I sincerely hope that Magpul takes a stand and states for the record that they will pack up and move if this passes, exemption or not.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:22:47 PM EDT

[#40]

FUCK DEMORATS

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:23:06 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
Bill drafter speaking now, claims that it's supposed to exempt manufacture.

It sure as hell doesn't in the lines he quoted. But now we know the devil's face.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:24:44 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
I sincerely hope that Magpul takes a stand and states for the record that they will pack up and move if this passes, exemption or not.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:25:38 PM EDT

[#43]

Representative Court questioning now.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:26:03 PM EDT

[#44]

"I wonder what portion of your business is government business. What is the percentage of the work you do for public vs government?"

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:26:12 PM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Bill drafter speaking now, claims that it's supposed to exempt manufacture.

It sure as hell doesn't in the lines he quoted. But now we know the devil's face.

Sounds like Law Enforcement ONLY not any one else.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:26:12 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

I sincerely hope that Magpul takes a stand and states for the record that they will pack up and move if this passes, exemption or not.

+1

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:26:19 PM EDT

[#47]

From HB 13-1224:

"A person who sells, transfers, or possesses a large-capacity
magazine in violation of the new provision commits a class 2
misdemeanor.
A large-capacity magazine that is manufactured in Colorado on or
after the effective date of the bill must include a serial number and the
date upon which the large-capacity magazine was manufactured or
assembled. The serial number and date must be legibly and conspicuously
engraved or cast upon the outer surface of the large-capacity magazine.
The Colorado bureau of investigation may promulgate rules that may
require a large-capacity magazine that is manufactured on or after the
effective date of the bill to bear identifying information in addition to the
serial number and date of assembly."

The first paragraph could prevent the sale of items manufactured per the second paragraph.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:26:35 PM EDT

[#48]

"Between 20-50% of our business."

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:26:47 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:

Their interpretation doesn't mean jack. The bill needs to be clear...and Magpul needs to end sales to any Colorado agency if this passes. Hell, they need to move all of their revenue out of this state even if it passes with an amendment to allow production.

Yup if it passes Magpul needs to tell them to get fucked and leave.

I would hope they pull a Larue also.

Posted: 2/12/2013 4:28:45 PM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Their interpretation doesn't mean jack. The bill needs to be clear...and Magpul needs to end sales to any Colorado agency if this passes. Hell, they need to move all of their revenue out of this state even if it passes with an amendment to allow production.

Yup if it passes Magpul needs to tell them to get fucked and leave.

I would hope they pull a Larue also.

Why wait for it to pass? Just call spade a spade and tell them if you pass this unconstitutional BS we are leaving.

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