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About 50 minutes into it. Interesting stuff I guess. What illness does Snowden have? At about the 48 minute mark Snowden says the NSA was asking his girlfriend questions about him. One of them was "what do you know about his illness" or maybe I misheard. eta 46:54 |
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At about the 48 minute mark Snowden says the NSA was asking his girlfriend questions about him. One of them was "what do you know about his illness" or maybe I misheard. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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About 50 minutes into it. Interesting stuff I guess. What illness does Snowden have? At about the 48 minute mark Snowden says the NSA was asking his girlfriend questions about him. One of them was "what do you know about his illness" or maybe I misheard. He was pretending to be out sick from work while he was in Hong Kong with Greenwald and Poitras. |
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He was pretending to be out sick from work while he was in Hong Kong with Greenwald and Poitras. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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About 50 minutes into it. Interesting stuff I guess. What illness does Snowden have? At about the 48 minute mark Snowden says the NSA was asking his girlfriend questions about him. One of them was "what do you know about his illness" or maybe I misheard. He was pretending to be out sick from work while he was in Hong Kong with Greenwald and Poitras. Oh ok |
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No, it's the guy that gave up a very cushy, very high paying job, his family and friends, to expose the fuckery that has been waged against our constitution. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh, it's about that guy who helped the Russians and terrorists. That was nice of him. Ed Snowden...American Hero |
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Just finished it. I can see both sides. But I have long felt that our government way over reaches in to its citizens privacy/lives.
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Kinda agree, still thinking on it. But I do feel Mr Snowden is FAR less a threat to my liberties than the federal government. As sure as I've ever been about anything. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh, it's about that guy who helped the Russians and terrorists. That was nice of him. Kinda agree, still thinking on it. But I do feel Mr Snowden is FAR less a threat to my liberties than the federal government. As sure as I've ever been about anything. |
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Bump for those who haven't watched this.
Why DC isn't on fire from the masses still baffles me. |
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I watched it in the background one day while working out of the house so it didn't have 100% of my attention. The film maker seems like a douche and tried to play up the danger. Snowden is a pajama boy. And they took credibility away from the main issue(NSA spying on Joe Blow) by revealing things like where the US drones conducting air strikes were operating out of and that we were spying on people like Merkel. View Quote That fits the profile of one of the current Russian ideological warfare branch operations out of SVR. They've been pounding a drum of propaganda through Der Spiegel to break the alliance between Germany and the US, while running this constant story of the "romantic" relationship between Germany and Russia. Der Spiegel: Prominent Germans Have Sympathy for Russia |
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Here's what confused me while watching this: I thought what Snowden did was more of a spur of the moment, crisis of conscience issue. But watching this thing, it looked like he had planned this for a very long time, which makes him look bad, imo. That's beyond the point of whether what the NSA and the Feds are doing is right. View Quote The gravity and magnitude of what he did mandates alot of planning. You don't turn on your own government (even though it was the right thing to do) without much planning! |
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That's been my one concession to crazy paranoidism. I've done that since laptops have had built in cameras. Not out of the fear of the government doing it, but other hackers. Way back when cheap cameras started showing up on most peoples personal computers, there were hackers playing around with this. They'd access your camera and send you a picture or video of yourself. View Quote Isn't it funny how people react to certain triggers? You say, "Hackers could hijack your device with you knowing and use your camera to spy on you," and everyone runs around shrieking and taping over their lenses. You say, "Our own government could hijack your device with you knowing and use your camera to spy on you," and they scoff and call you a paranoid, tin-foil-sporting loon. |
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Tony Scott already made this documentary... it's called Enemy of the State. It wasn't fiction
Watching this one now. |
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Isn't it funny how people react to certain triggers? You say, "Hackers could hijack your device with you knowing and use your camera to spy on you," and everyone runs around shrieking and taping over their lenses. You say, "Our own government could hijack your device with you knowing and use your camera to spy on you," and they scoff and call you a paranoid, tin-foil-sporting loon. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That's been my one concession to crazy paranoidism. I've done that since laptops have had built in cameras. Not out of the fear of the government doing it, but other hackers. Way back when cheap cameras started showing up on most peoples personal computers, there were hackers playing around with this. They'd access your camera and send you a picture or video of yourself. Isn't it funny how people react to certain triggers? You say, "Hackers could hijack your device with you knowing and use your camera to spy on you," and everyone runs around shrieking and taping over their lenses. You say, "Our own government could hijack your device with you knowing and use your camera to spy on you," and they scoff and call you a paranoid, tin-foil-sporting loon. The benevolent government loves us, that's why. It protects us from all that is evil in the world, and all it asks for in return is fealty. It's a small price to pay for safety. |
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He helped the federal government? He gave their secrets to the public and god knows what else to the Russians. The Russians don't even use email in the Kremlin any more. They type out messages on typewriters. They started doing this after Mr. Snowden landed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh, it's about that guy who helped the Russians and terrorists. That was nice of him. I wouldn't exactly call the federal government, terrorist. Good. |
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I watched it in the background one day while working out of the house so it didn't have 100% of my attention. The film maker seems like a douche and tried to play up the danger. Snowden is a pajama boy. And they took credibility away from the main issue(NSA spying on Joe Blow) by revealing things like where the US drones conducting air strikes were operating out of and that we were spying on people like Merkel. View Quote That may be the dumbest comment I've ever seen. Please remove, Mr. Jefferson's quote from your signature. |
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Here's what confused me while watching this: I thought what Snowden did was more of a spur of the moment, crisis of conscience issue. But watching this thing, it looked like he had planned this for a very long time, which makes him look bad, imo. That's beyond the point of whether what the NSA and the Feds are doing is right. View Quote So what would you do, assuming what he states is true, having knowledge of this system in place set to spy on American Citizens within US Borders across all communications? How far do you think our government would go if you leaked the information and didn't run? Credibility is everything, if you were him and you didn't plan it and just came "out" how quickly do you think you'd be "found with 3 hard drives full of child porn and a kidnapped kid in his basement" and being "shot for resisting arrest during a warrant." |
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I assume you mean phones with batteries that are removable without tools, which includes most phones. The only major model I can think of that doesn't meet that criteria is the iPhone. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wow, powerful. I knew things were bad but I had no idea they were that bad. Some of the things he alludes to in that film, which I don't doubt for one second, are just mind blowing. You will want to put a piece of electrical tape over the camera on your iPad and unplug your phone after watching this. Mind blowing. That's pretty much my reaction. Kinda feel like my cell phone needs to spend more time turned off. Don't forget to pull the battery. thats exactly why most phones now don't have a removable battery... I assume you mean phones with batteries that are removable without tools, which includes most phones. The only major model I can think of that doesn't meet that criteria is the iPhone. and the htc one, and i believe the upcoming galaxy s6... |
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone "fact checked" or researched the people behind this movie and/or the claims?
How do we know this isn't propaganda itself? Either way it's interesting. |
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For a while, I was on the "Snowden is a Traitor" side of this fence but honestly the more I hear about what he revealed the more I think he did exactly the right thing.
The scariest part of the whole story, well parts: 1) How many thousands of others in positions similar to Snowden's didn't/don't care that citizen's rights are being violated (or in danger of being violated) on the daily? 2) What has changed since this massive infodump? Pretty much nothing..... |
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For a while, I was on the "Snowden is a Traitor" side of this fence but honestly the more I hear about what he revealed the more I think he did exactly the right thing. The scariest part of the whole story, well parts: 1) How many thousands of others in positions similar to Snowden's didn't/don't care that citizen's rights are being violated (or in danger of being violated) on the daily? 2) What has changed since this massive infodump? Pretty much nothing..... View Quote To answer question 1- no one wants to lose their $400,000/yr earnings and pensions by giving a shit about their fellow countrymen. Justification "as long as I get paid and it is just the guilty..." To answer question 2- I think Ukraine, ebola, and whatever the scare of the day drew the A.D.D. crowd away from their moral outrage. |
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"For now, know that every border you cross, every purchase you make, every call you dial, every cell phone tower you pass, friend you keep, article you write, site you visit, subject line you type, and packet you route is in the hands of a system whose reach is unlimited, but whose safeguards are not."
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Watching now and almost finished, what ever people think of Snowden, traitor, hero, the thing that everyone should agree on is that our government is out of control, the lies that came out of Clapper's mouth, Obama's, his press mouthpiece, the fact that things he released are now declassified so they could speak of it, is scary.
What Snowden did was what we all should be doing, grow a conscience, stand up and start to make it known we are tired of it, but most of us will stay quiet for fear of loosing our jobs, or worse. If enough people stood up, maybe we could get things to change. What I found interesting is that Snowden bought into Obama's promise of hope and change which I think was the catalyst for what he did. |
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What Snowden did was what we all should be doing, grow a conscience, stand up and start to make it known we are tired of it, but most of us will stay quiet for fear of loosing our jobs, or worse. If enough people stood up, maybe we could get things to change. View Quote This. Except screw fear. More accurately, contemplate fear. Everyone talks about "will not comply" because the other side hasn't added much "or else" yet. It's easy to be a rebel, agitator, or whatever other flashy word you want to use when you aren't risking losing something. Or everything. But every one of us waving that "WNC banner" needs to look past the slogans and the sound bytes and the bumper sticker snippets of historical reference and really think about it. When you know something is wrong, what will you risk to stand up for what is right? Did you ever get the annual spam email about how the signers of the Declaration of Independence signed their own death warrants by putting quill to paper? Really easy to read chain letter sort of thing, probably half-wrong about the details, but accurate about that one point. Think about that. Would you do it? Put your name to something like that? Now, it would be transmitted instantly and unstoppably, stored on government servers indefinitely. Would you do it anyway, because it was right? If you were part of the system, would you undermine your own office and coworkers, actively sabotaging their efforts, because you felt the work was morally wrong? Half the people on this very site would call you a traitor and, when the flashbang set your curtains on fire at 3am, your dog was shot and your children were carted off by protective services, we'd read posts about you playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes. What about less dramatic but just as devastating? You could get fired, or your taxes could be screwed, or you could be fined for any number of "mistakes" you didn't know you made in your business paperwork. You might suddenly find yourself to victim of identity theft, and your credit ruined. Your kids might not get accepted into certain schools, or might start getting assigned risky duties if they're in the service. Would you do it anyway? Scary thoughts, but it's better to contemplate them while it's only a mental exercise instead of when you have three seconds to choose. |
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The first fucking thing I'd do if I were elected President in 2016 is to hold a press conference at 12:01am on inauguration day and announce a full and total amnesty for Snowden, should he choose to return. Second thing I'd executive order some arrest warrants for Clapper and that other bald fuck, Keith Alexander, and try them for lying (treason, stupidity - whatever I could fucking get). Fuck that documentary pissed me off. I literally have no faith left in America or Americans to do the right thing. Add me to the list, you NSA government fucks. |
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Just finished it. The first fucking thing I'd do if I were elected President in 2016 is to hold a press conference at 12:01am on inauguration day and announce a full and total amnesty for Snowden, should he choose to return. Second thing I'd executive order some arrest warrants for Clapper and that other bald fuck, Keith Alexander, and try them for lying (treason, stupidity - whatever I could fucking get). Fuck that documentary pissed me off. I literally have no faith left in America or Americans to do the right thing. Add me to the list, you NSA government fucks. View Quote I'd vote for you even if you are Canadian. |
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Finally able to watch this last night. Pretty outrageous the abuse of power in our government. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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I wouldn't exactly call the federal government, terrorist. You're always so edgy when it comes to this treasonous prick. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh, it's about that guy who helped the Russians and terrorists. That was nice of him. I wouldn't exactly call the federal government, terrorist. You're always so edgy when it comes to this treasonous prick. |
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The masses owe their continued survival to the government. They have no intention of biting the hand that feeds. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bump for those who haven't watched this. Why DC isn't on fire from the masses still baffles me. The masses owe their continued survival to the government. They have no intention of biting the hand that feeds. Yep. ETA "It will never happen here." Yeah, its fucking happening thanks for noticing. The smarts have fled and are renouncing, good luck in bizzaro land. |
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Just finished it. The first fucking thing I'd do if I were elected President in 2016 is to hold a press conference at 12:01am on inauguration day and announce a full and total amnesty for Snowden, should he choose to return. Second thing I'd executive order some arrest warrants for Clapper and that other bald fuck, Keith Alexander, and try them for lying (treason, stupidity - whatever I could fucking get). Fuck that documentary pissed me off. I literally have no faith left in America or Americans to do the right thing. Add me to the list, you NSA government fucks. View Quote 5 eyes, Canadian. You're one of them. |
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What does the govt have on me? That I watch porn and have a foot fetish? Have they looked through my cameras and seen my O face? I don't give a flying fuck. Fuck all you spying assholes!!!! I know you're reading this, suck my pathetic little cock and I'll dip my nuts in keyboard cleaner so you bastards can get a taste of home
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Thanks for posting OP. Everyone should watch this. Everyone. American citizen or citizen of the world. Everyone. I'm torn between being impressed and fascinated at the capability, and specifically, the scale of the capability, and being terrified as someone who has, on occasion, said some shit during a cell phone conversation that he probably shouldn't have said. LOL. View Quote It's alright, I'm sure. After all, if you have nothing to hide, what are you afraid of? |
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Just finished watching this on HBO-GO. Bumping it up so maybe some more of you will watch this.
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I need to watch this. I tried streaming to my Chromecast and it sucked ass. Need to tinker with my wifi settings. I don't want to watch it in front of the PC.
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