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Posted: 7/28/2015 10:13:01 PM EDT
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Going through some similar issues with our building at work but much less severe. We've had several engineers and a couple fpundation companies come look at it and are looking $13,000 right off the bat to try and stabilze one corner of the building. If they have to bust up concrete that was previously injected under the slab that is $175 an hour.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 10:27:12 PM EDT
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Going through some similar issues with our building at work but much less severe. We've had several engineers and a couple fpundation companies come look at it and are looking $13,000 right off the bat to try and stabilze one corner of the building. If they have to bust up concrete that was previously injected under the slab that is $175 an hour. Run...just run. I love telling customers my hourly rate, reality sets in. I also have $400k in equipment that need's to be paid for on top of advertising, payroll, general liability insurance, under-ground insurance, workman's comp., ect. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 10:30:12 PM EDT
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Fucking.
Run. Look for the thread of mine where just the floating slab lifted and cracked. The cost for that was ... not cheap. And it wasn't structural, just some concrete floating above ye' old pile of dirt. What you have there is structural. Walls shifting means the footings have moved, probably. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 10:33:13 PM EDT
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R Lol you can tell yourself whatever you want. The trade I was referring to is an electrician. Would you like my license number? And fixing his house is because I am pretty handy at everything else too. Thank you for your wonderful insight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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UPDATE!! So I will confess I am not the one buying the house. My friend is and I am just researching for him because he is not that smart. Anyways I had a foundation specialist come out and look at it for 3 hours. He said it only movied about a half inch and does not think it will move any more. He is sending a bid for the foundation repair but also said it is not necessary. What say the hive? Is there something incredibly special about this house that your friend must buy it? Seems to me like it's going to be more problems than it's worth. He wants big and cheap so it perfect for him...... Haha He wants to fix it up as he goes. Witch means I will be fixing it because I am in the construction trade. You're in the "construction trade" and will be fixing this place up for your "friend", yet you have to ask GD for advice on obvious construction issues?? Why did you say you were buying it the entire time? You're full of shit. We aren't buying you. I can't believe you're lying to save face. That's pathetic OP. Even more pathetic than buying this fubar'd house. Lol you can tell yourself whatever you want. The trade I was referring to is an electrician. Would you like my license number? And fixing his house is because I am pretty handy at everything else too. Thank you for your wonderful insight. You're a trip Sparky. 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 10:40:15 PM EDT
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I am shocked by the "foundation has only moved 1/2 inch". That looks like one hell of a lot of damage for that little movement. I would definitely have somebody else come out for a second opinion.
With a house built in 2004, especially one showing this much damage, I would definitely put some time into researching the builder. There were a LOT of builders going belly up around that time, and a lot did some real slick shit in their houses to get them finished fast and cheap and get out from under them. Lot of cheap materials and shoddy work went into a lot of those houses. I would not even consider moving forward until I fully understood just how damaged the house really is and what it will take (including how much it will cost) to get it fixed. Keep in mind that estimates are exactly that - estimates. Make sure that there is enough money in the till to cover 1 1/2 times, maybe even twice, the estimate to cover for cost overruns, etc. Make sure that you get estimates for ALL repairs (including the walls/floors/etc. that you may be planning on doing yourself). If the total exceeds $25k, then the project is pretty much all risk, no gain and there is no reason to move forward. And if a loan is going to be taken out to pay for it, just walk away now and find a house that doesn't need all of these repairs. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 10:55:25 PM EDT
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Pass. Looks like someone went to great effort to apply texture to the walls and new paint to disguise issues.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 11:10:07 PM EDT
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House deal is $190 houses just like it in area are about $250-$270 !=deal |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 11:13:57 PM EDT
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House deal is $190 houses just like it in area are about $250-$270 !=deal And good luck getting insurance coverage when they see that. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 11:17:01 PM EDT
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Slab is cracked THIS !!! Tell your friend to walk away. No matter how "sweet of a deal" the bank offered, anyone who buys this house is destined for sad times. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 11:21:07 PM EDT
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I never understand why people think these are "good deals"
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Posted: 7/28/2015 11:43:04 PM EDT
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Hire a structural engineer. read sealed teport. then decide.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 11:45:41 PM EDT
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I am shocked by the "foundation has only moved 1/2 inch". That looks like one hell of a lot of damage for that little movement. I would definitely have somebody else come out for a second opinion. With a house built in 2004, especially one showing this much damage, I would definitely put some time into researching the builder. There were a LOT of builders going belly up around that time, and a lot did some real slick shit in their houses to get them finished fast and cheap and get out from under them. Lot of cheap materials and shoddy work went into a lot of those houses. I would not even consider moving forward until I fully understood just how damaged the house really is and what it will take (including how much it will cost) to get it fixed. Keep in mind that estimates are exactly that - estimates. Make sure that there is enough money in the till to cover 1 1/2 times, maybe even twice, the estimate to cover for cost overruns, etc. Make sure that you get estimates for ALL repairs (including the walls/floors/etc. that you may be planning on doing yourself). If the total exceeds $25k, then the project is pretty much all risk, no gain and there is no reason to move forward. And if a loan is going to be taken out to pay for it, just walk away now and find a house that doesn't need all of these repairs. Ever see a sole plate dangling off a slab 1/2"? I have. It takes a hell of a lot of work to rack a house straight after that much movement, and it's just not simply jacking a slab or foundation up. It has a lot to do with the framing members, and point load as the house goes back into place. You bring up a very valid point on change orders, 90% of our jobs have one. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 11:54:08 PM EDT
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I'm an engineer with over 30 years in construction. There's no way I'd put $1.00 of my money in that house.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 11:57:53 PM EDT
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Op or friend will not listen to this advice. Guaranteed. One of them is emotionally involved. Never,ever ever let emotions get involved on this kind of transaction.
Op or buddy is skull hooked on getting a deal. There's a reason the deal seems to good to be true. But that fish is skull hooked. He'll be dragged into boat no matter how hard he tries or what he does. If it's too good to be true, it is. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 11:57:55 PM EDT
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Who are you? The listing agent? 
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That looks like poor drywall work.The cracking tiles are probably from dropping things on them or not enough thin set. Who are you? The listing agent?
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Posted: 7/28/2015 11:59:38 PM EDT
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Run away
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Posted: 7/29/2015 12:12:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, you're turning to a building inspector for engineering advice. It's certainly cheaper that way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well I am thinking about doing an exspection and seeing what he says and going from there. If we back out now we won't be out anything but the inspection So, you're turning to a building inspector for engineering advice. It's certainly cheaper that way. But instead chooses to get a home inspectors opinion. Good luck on your new to you money pit OP
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Posted: 7/29/2015 12:13:47 AM EDT
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UPDATE!! So I will confess I am not the one buying the house. My friend is and I am just researching for him because he is not that smart. Anyways I had a foundation specialist come out and look at it for 3 hours. He said it only moved about a half inch and does not think it will move any more. He is sending a bid for the foundation repair but also said it is not necessary. What say the hive? Did your friend ride a short bus to school. The advice here is solid . You need at least 4-5 estimates to fix the house . You need an engineer . Then after you have spent all of that time and money RUN away,. You may lose your friend . That is a money pit and sadly he can suck you in . |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 12:19:45 AM EDT
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He gets free advice from multiple engineers, contractors & realtors.. All professionals. All say RUN But instead chooses to get a home inspectors opinion. Good luck on your new to you money pit OP I have told him to run away. All that did was mAke his wife pissed at me. She wants the damn thing. But yet she knows nothing about houses. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well I am thinking about doing an exspection and seeing what he says and going from there. If we back out now we won't be out anything but the inspection So, you're turning to a building inspector for engineering advice. It's certainly cheaper that way. But instead chooses to get a home inspectors opinion. Good luck on your new to you money pit OP I have told him to run away. All that did was mAke his wife pissed at me. She wants the damn thing. But yet she knows nothing about houses. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 12:25:32 AM EDT
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I'm an engineer with over 30 years in construction. There's no way I'd put $1.00 of my money in that house. Do as you wish with this free opinion He already ignored mine, he'll ignore yours. PE license for 37 years. "Home Inspector"  
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Posted: 7/29/2015 12:39:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well I am thinking about doing an exspection and seeing what he says and going from there. If we back out now we won't be out anything but the inspection So, you're turning to a building inspector for engineering advice. It's certainly cheaper that way. But instead chooses to get a home inspectors opinion. Good luck on your new to you money pit OP I have told him to run away. All that did was mAke his wife pissed at me. She wants the damn thing. But yet she knows nothing about houses. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 12:41:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: House was only built in 2004 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How old is the house? Where is the house (state)? The tile has issues underneath. Is there a joint there? If so, they could have not used any paper under the mud and this will allow the separation to show. The location of each cracked area may matter too. Inner or outer walls. Load bearing or not. When I re-roofed my house, it created some cracks. They really didn't show until we had some snow though. The extra weight created some issues. House was only built in 2004 You NEVER buy a house built during the boom. 2004-2006 they were building as fast as they could. OP, I have a feeling you going to buy anyway... I feel bad for your children. The money your going to loose on this house is going to ruin their childhood and cost you your marriage.  WAIT!!! I figured it out!! The OP is trying to get his wife to leave him so his much younger girlfriend can move in!!! OP.... your not a school teacher by chance? EDIT>> Just seen the "update". The OP is a dirtier lowdown snake than I thought. He is trying to get his "friends" wife to leave his friend so he can swoop in on it... Dang OP, you should feel bad.  This thread reminds me of a bumper sticker I seen yesterday. I said, "Friends Don't Let Friends Buy Houses That Are Falling The Fuck Apart!" |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 12:44:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He already ignored mine, he'll ignore yours. PE license for 37 years. "Home Inspector" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm an engineer with over 30 years in construction. There's no way I'd put $1.00 of my money in that house. Do as you wish with this free opinion He already ignored mine, he'll ignore yours. PE license for 37 years. "Home Inspector" |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 12:45:07 AM EDT
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Op has posted 3 different threads about drywall cracks, a leaking roof and nails popping...
But those are different houses... ? |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:02:47 AM EDT
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He already ignored mine, he'll ignore yours. PE license for 37 years. "Home Inspector" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm an engineer with over 30 years in construction. There's no way I'd put $1.00 of my money in that house. Do as you wish with this free opinion He already ignored mine, he'll ignore yours. PE license for 37 years. "Home Inspector" Ignored mine too, and I fix the goddamned things for a living. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:03:39 AM EDT
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Shoot. What do we both know. I mean really. Those 400 level dif eq & finite element analysis classes we had to take were so easy the freshman HomeEc students aced them... Right??? I think there was even an home inspector in one of mine....... NOT!!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm an engineer with over 30 years in construction. There's no way I'd put $1.00 of my money in that house. Do as you wish with this free opinion He already ignored mine, he'll ignore yours. PE license for 37 years. "Home Inspector" Anyone who listens to that "electrician" is going to lose a shit pot of money. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:33:20 AM EDT
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Did your friend ride a short bus to school. The advice here is solid . You need at least 4-5 estimates to fix the house . You need an engineer . Then after you have spent all of that time and money RUN away,. You may lose your friend . That is a money pit and sadly he can suck you in . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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UPDATE!! So I will confess I am not the one buying the house. My friend is and I am just researching for him because he is not that smart. Anyways I had a foundation specialist come out and look at it for 3 hours. He said it only moved about a half inch and does not think it will move any more. He is sending a bid for the foundation repair but also said it is not necessary. What say the hive? Did your friend ride a short bus to school. The advice here is solid . You need at least 4-5 estimates to fix the house . You need an engineer . Then after you have spent all of that time and money RUN away,. You may lose your friend . That is a money pit and sadly he can suck you in . What a shit friend you are |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 8:00:55 AM EDT
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Op has posted 3 different threads about drywall cracks, a leaking roof and nails popping... But those are different houses... ? That is my house not the house my friend was trying to buy. The cracks in my drywall are hairline and was wondering if they were normal. These cracks at this other house are like a 1/8-1/4 inch thick. Sorry I guess all these threads get confusing. This is the only thread with the new house he is trying to buy. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 8:03:12 AM EDT
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Anyone who listens to that "electrician" is going to lose a shit pot of money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm an engineer with over 30 years in construction. There's no way I'd put $1.00 of my money in that house. Do as you wish with this free opinion He already ignored mine, he'll ignore yours. PE license for 37 years. "Home Inspector" Anyone who listens to that "electrician" is going to lose a shit pot of money. That "electrician" is with all of you. I don't know jack shit about foundation or drywall. That's why I asked for some advice from this glorious forum I pay $25 a year for.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 8:12:13 AM EDT
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Op has posted 3 different threads about drywall cracks, a leaking roof and nails popping... But those are different houses... ? Oh I'm sure they're his friends' houses. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 8:15:35 AM EDT
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I never understand why people think these are "good deals" At $90k maybe, if comps in the are are mid $200's as stated. Depends on how much time and hassle you want to endure. At $190k, no. Just, no. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 11:33:35 AM EDT
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Op has posted 3 different threads about drywall cracks, a leaking roof and nails popping... But those are different houses... ? Oh I'm sure they're his friends' houses. Answered in above post. That is my current house. I am not a drywall or roofing expert. This thread is for a different house |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:07:00 PM EDT
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At $90k maybe, if comps in the are are mid $200's as stated. Depends on how much time and hassle you want to endure. At $190k, no. Just, no. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I never understand why people think these are "good deals" At $90k maybe, if comps in the are are mid $200's as stated. Depends on how much time and hassle you want to endure. At $190k, no. Just, no. Well he is convinced he can resale the house for $290 lol |
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Posted: 7/31/2015 11:26:20 AM EDT
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Well he is convinced he can resale the house for $290 lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I never understand why people think these are "good deals" At $90k maybe, if comps in the are are mid $200's as stated. Depends on how much time and hassle you want to endure. At $190k, no. Just, no. Well he is convinced he can resale the house for $290 lol If this train wreck of a house was such a slam dunk 'flip' for profit ... don't you think a REAL investor / or pro flipper would have scarfed it up already ? Your 'buddy' is a fool waiting to part with his money if he jumps into this deal. I highly doubt he would be able to get funding approved for it by any lender, so it is highly doubtful its ever going to happen anyway. |
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Posted: 7/31/2015 11:38:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a NO-GO...walk away. |
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Posted: 7/31/2015 11:40:54 AM EDT
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RUN.
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Posted: 7/31/2015 11:47:47 AM EDT
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If this train wreck of a house was such a slam dunk 'flip' for profit ... don't you think a REAL investor / or pro flipper would have scarfed it up already ? Your 'buddy' is a fool waiting to part with his money if he jumps into this deal. I highly doubt he would be able to get funding approved for it by any lender, so it is highly doubtful its ever going to happen anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I never understand why people think these are "good deals" At $90k maybe, if comps in the are are mid $200's as stated. Depends on how much time and hassle you want to endure. At $190k, no. Just, no. Well he is convinced he can resale the house for $290 lol If this train wreck of a house was such a slam dunk 'flip' for profit ... don't you think a REAL investor / or pro flipper would have scarfed it up already ? Your 'buddy' is a fool waiting to part with his money if he jumps into this deal. I highly doubt he would be able to get funding approved for it by any lender, so it is highly doubtful its ever going to happen anyway. Oh, I don't know...I think that $290.00 number is right on the money.
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Posted: 7/31/2015 12:50:16 PM EDT
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If this train wreck of a house was such a slam dunk 'flip' for profit ... don't you think a REAL investor / or pro flipper would have scarfed it up already ? Your 'buddy' is a fool waiting to part with his money if he jumps into this deal. I highly doubt he would be able to get funding approved for it by any lender, so it is highly doubtful its ever going to happen anyway. But they done seen it on the teevee . . .
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Posted: 7/31/2015 12:57:18 PM EDT
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Abort
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Posted: 7/31/2015 1:14:32 PM EDT
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R Lol you can tell yourself whatever you want. The trade I was referring to is an electrician. Would you like my license number? And fixing his house is because I am pretty handy at everything else too. Thank you for your wonderful insight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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UPDATE!! So I will confess I am not the one buying the house. My friend is and I am just researching for him because he is not that smart. Anyways I had a foundation specialist come out and look at it for 3 hours. He said it only movied about a half inch and does not think it will move any more. He is sending a bid for the foundation repair but also said it is not necessary. What say the hive? Is there something incredibly special about this house that your friend must buy it? Seems to me like it's going to be more problems than it's worth. He wants big and cheap so it perfect for him...... Haha He wants to fix it up as he goes. Witch means I will be fixing it because I am in the construction trade. You're in the "construction trade" and will be fixing this place up for your "friend", yet you have to ask GD for advice on obvious construction issues?? Why did you say you were buying it the entire time? You're full of shit. We aren't buying you. I can't believe you're lying to save face. That's pathetic OP. Even more pathetic than buying this fubar'd house. Lol you can tell yourself whatever you want. The trade I was referring to is an electrician. Would you like my license number? And fixing his house is because I am pretty handy at everything else too. Thank you for your wonderful insight. I'm going to call BS on this as I believe your main intent of this post is for trolling purposes. 
Read your first post and compare that to above: Offer was accepted on this house and before I pay for an expected or appraiser I want some more input. To me it looks like a whole wall shifted. Everyone outside and in the attic looks good. but these are all over the house. Foundation issue or settling? House is bank owned and is a screaming deal for the area. Might be too good to be true though.... |
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