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Posted: 5/13/2017 9:58:22 PM EDT
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Those tens of millions of immigrants don't just drive down wages, they also drive up the prices of everything including and especially housing while filling the roads with their cars and making commutes longer and more expensive. Meanwhile taxes have to go up to pay for them and to pay for education of their children.
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:03:40 PM EDT
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Perhaps because a lot more of those 25 to 34 year olds wasted 4-6 years in college instead of getting into the workforce early, working hard, and becoming successful. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:06:05 PM EDT
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Even me, I spent years in school welding and couldn't even get anyone to let me take a weld test. No one will hire anyone with no experience. You're not the first recently to say that finding a job after is not as easy as everyone says it is. Judging by posts here I always thought it was a good trade to get into. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:06:51 PM EDT
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Ummmm, bullshit. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:08:14 PM EDT
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Those tens of millions of immigrants don't just drive down wages, they also drive up the prices of everything including and especially housing while filling the roads with their cars and making commutes longer and more expensive. Meanwhile taxes have to go up to pay for them and to pay for education of their children. What a deal! |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:08:23 PM EDT
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Everytime there's a job/trades thread there are always people who say "Go to school for welding and you'll easily be making ____" You're not the first to say that finding a job after is not as easy as everyone says it is. Private sector does not want to spend the time or money "training" you even if you have hundreds of hours of training already. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:11:04 PM EDT
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Likely the only people that will give you a chance will be unions. Private sector does not want to spend the time or money "training" you even if you have hundreds of hours of training already. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everytime there's a job/trades thread there are always people who say "Go to school for welding and you'll easily be making ____" You're not the first to say that finding a job after is not as easy as everyone says it is. Private sector does not want to spend the time or money "training" you even if you have hundreds of hours of training already. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:22:48 PM EDT
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Those tens of millions of immigrants don't just drive down wages, they also drive up the prices of everything including and especially housing while filling the roads with their cars and making commutes longer and more expensive. Meanwhile taxes have to go up to pay for them and to pay for education of their children. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:31:38 PM EDT
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I don't think people like you understand how god awful the job market is for anyone fresh out of college, the military, or high school these days. There is nothing other than burger flipping jobs, and other service industry jobs. It doesn't matter if you are a veteran, or have a college degree in a subject relevant to the job you're seeking Even me, I spent years in school welding and couldn't even get anyone to let me take a weld test. No one will hire anyone with no experience. Luckily while I was working at Lowe's I managed to get in the Local Pipe fitter union and they were the only ones that were willing to get me a job. I have made hundreds of hand welds on 1/8 and 1/4 inch pipe SS and titanium pipe since I was hired and I have never busted a weld so it's not like I was a shitty welder. Did I want to join the union? No, not at all they were infact my last choice. They were hard up for welders though and they were giving welders a chance. I guess all the other private companies had plenty of dudes and had no need for new blood. You need to learn to read....It's not like it was written in cursive. Jeez. 
That said if you are looking for shoulder to cry on then you need to go somewhere else for that. I don't hate on the union workers but I never really cared to subject myself to a union's dumbfuckery and did not have to. Lots of guys I hunted with worked union construction or factory jobs and did very well for themselves. Good luck. I will say this, something is going to have to give or we will see a terrible backlash like we never have never seen before. I don't think the country can stiff two generations in a row without some serious consequences. We are either headed for full blown socialism or totalitarianism, maybe even civil war. I might not live to see it but it's coming. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:33:08 PM EDT
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In unrelated news, number of college graduates with skills sought after in high paying industries/fields at all time low.......
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:35:29 PM EDT
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Because everywhere wants a bachelors degree for entry level positions. Couple that with "pick the major you think will make you happy", and what could go wrong? |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:39:13 PM EDT
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I might not live to see it but it's coming. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:41:49 PM EDT
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HAHAHAHAHAH it's not like we'd fucking need you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I might not live to see it but it's coming. 
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:42:25 PM EDT
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Everytime there's a job/trades thread there are always people who say "Go to school for welding and you'll easily be making ____" You're not the first recently to say that finding a job after is not as easy as everyone says it is. Judging by posts here I always thought it was a good trade to get into. Basically dudes who probably would have kicked ass at any profession they chose. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:42:36 PM EDT
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Several reasons:
Decline in the number of unskilled manufacturing jobs Increase in the number of unskilled immigrant (both legal and illegal) workers Massive increase in government regulations and spending Shut down immigration, deregulate the economy, simplify the tax code, and cut government spending, and you'll see a lot of those jobs come back. Not as many as before, but enough to make a difference for most young millennials. Fortunately, Trump has taken concrete steps to correct the first three. I don't see him cutting government spending or entitlements much, though. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:43:02 PM EDT
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I thought better of it, my bad.
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:44:23 PM EDT
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Just wait until automation, computers and the Internet put millions out of work.
We will have millions of unemployed, underemployed and unemployable people looking for government handouts Things will get very spicy. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:46:36 PM EDT
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Perhaps it is because they don't make $25 per hour working on an assembly line in a union plant with a high school education. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:49:23 PM EDT
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Wasn't aware I was whining, how many wars have you fought in? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given your whiny nature I'd not care to be around you anyway.
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:51:11 PM EDT
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Wasn't aware I was whining, how many wars have you fought in? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given your whiny nature I'd not care to be around you anyway. 
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:53:27 PM EDT
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C'mon man. Don't be that guy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given your whiny nature I'd not care to be around you anyway. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:54:03 PM EDT
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How will they ever pay for communism?
Hey millennials just so you know England went this route in the 70's, took Thatcher to pull labours heads out. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:54:05 PM EDT
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Perhaps because a lot more of those 25 to 34 year olds wasted 4-6 years in college instead of getting into the workforce early, working hard, and becoming successful. Add in no drive or motivation and you get today's lower wages. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:54:29 PM EDT
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Yup, try getting a job without some form of post highschool education. Your choices mostly involve the phrase 'would you like fries with that?' |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:55:16 PM EDT
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Or you could learn a trade |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:55:26 PM EDT
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Everytime there's a job/trades thread there are always people who say "Go to school for welding and you'll easily be making ____" You're not the first recently to say that finding a job after is not as easy as everyone says it is. Judging by posts here I always thought it was a good trade to get into. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:56:25 PM EDT
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Perhaps because a lot more of those 25 to 34 year olds wasted 4-6 years in college instead of getting into the workforce early, working hard, and becoming successful. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:56:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:57:20 PM EDT
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Millenial bashing thread lol
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:57:22 PM EDT
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It's funny hearing all the boomers brag. It's because of your parents that you had it so good. Greatest generation in the history of mankind. Kicked ass in ww2 and then built the best middle class ever. And the boomers ruined it. And then laugh about it being difficult for the current generations.
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:58:50 PM EDT
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Even then it is very hard to get your foot in the door. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Or you could learn a trade 
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:59:44 PM EDT
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I wish I could like this. And I wish I had a dollar for every entry level job that requires 3-5 years of direct, relevant and recent experience. Quote HistoryQuoted:
And I wish I had a dollar for every entry level job that requires 3-5 years of direct, relevant and recent experience. It's (very likely) because they're hiring foreign workers.  They probably already have experience from working back in their country and are willing to work for less than an educated American. The experience requirement for entry level jobs seems to be a way to keep out people who won't work for nothing, I.E. college educated American workers.
And then companies bitch when their "experienced" worker can't do their entry level job right, can't speak fucking english, and they complain about not having enough "qualified" workers. Well, stop paying people nothing, bring back benefits, and don't hire some foreign slob who's here on a visa. Or just here illegally.
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:00:46 PM EDT
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I would have killed to get into my friend's trade union back in NY. He cleared just over $250k last year. Dudes camp outside the hall in order to get in. Not a fan of how exclusive they are, it is only going to hurt them in the long run. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:01:39 PM EDT
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I would have killed to get into my friend's trade union back in NY. He cleared just over $250k last year operating a backhoe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Or you could learn a trade |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:02:46 PM EDT
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For the longest time I wondered what the fucking deal was with that bullshit, then I put it together. It's (very likely) because they're hiring foreign workers. They probably already have experience from working back in their country and are willing to work for less than an educated American. The experience requirement for entry level jobs seems to be a way to keep out people who won't work for nothing, I.E. college educated American workers.
And then companies bitch when their "experienced" worker can't do their entry level job right, can't speak fucking english, and they complain about not having enough "qualified" workers. Well, stop paying people nothing, bring back benefits, and don't hire some foreign slob who's here on a visa. Or just here illegally. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:04:52 PM EDT
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Unions will likely take you especially in smaller cities from what I hear trade unions in NY are damn near impossible to gain entry to. Dudes camp outside the hall in order to get in. Not a fan of how exclusive they are, it is only going to hurt them in the long run. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would have killed to get into my friend's trade union back in NY. He cleared just over $250k last year. Dudes camp outside the hall in order to get in. Not a fan of how exclusive they are, it is only going to hurt them in the long run. Quoted:
Wow. A financially smart person could retire on on that salary in 10 -15 years. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:12:57 PM EDT
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My general train of thought with it is that they say that so they will not be responsible for spending money and wasting time training an employee. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the longest time I wondered what the fucking deal was with that bullshit, then I put it together. It's (very likely) because they're hiring foreign workers. They probably already have experience from working back in their country and are willing to work for less than an educated American. The experience requirement for entry level jobs seems to be a way to keep out people who won't work for nothing, I.E. college educated American workers.
And then companies bitch when their "experienced" worker can't do their entry level job right, can't speak fucking english, and they complain about not having enough "qualified" workers. Well, stop paying people nothing, bring back benefits, and don't hire some foreign slob who's here on a visa. Or just here illegally. 
The whole "2 to whatever years experience" thing for entry level jobs is a way of forcing more expensive American workers out of the market so the companies gets to whine and gripe about "not having enough applicants". Then they get their cheap foreign visa workers once they get done fooling everyone into thinking there's a labor shortage and we need more immigrants. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:13:35 PM EDT
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Wow. A financially smart person could retire on on that salary in 10 -15 years. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:16:03 PM EDT
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I wish I could like this. And I wish I had a dollar for every entry level job that requires 3-5 years of direct, relevant and recent experience. Job shopping for the off season, used to be easy. I used to be able to get temp. work off the farm, real easy. Now, it's minimum wage for 5-10 years experience as a Machinist, with CNC/CAD certs. for a part time slot. The Temp agency's are swollen with talent, and sell their clients cheap. The ugly, is the reality of showing up on time,pissing clean, and being better than the corporate employees. "If only you had a Degree, and not just Trade certs...." Our Degree factory's, are cranking out defective dipshits. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:18:29 PM EDT
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Sample of one isn't exactly gonna be representative of an entire generation. 
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:22:14 PM EDT
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Perhaps it is because they don't make $25 per hour working on an assembly line in a union plant with a high school education. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Perhaps because a lot more of those 25 to 34 year olds wasted 4-6 years in college instead of getting into the workforce early, working hard, and becoming successful. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:23:00 PM EDT
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It would kill me to be retired at 40. The men in my family work into our 80s. Once you stop you lose your body and your mind. A lot of .mil retirees doe the same thing. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:26:02 PM EDT
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Karma may be coming for the Boomers in three ways.
1. All those broken families? Guess who's not getting any visitors in the old folks home. 2. Massive public debt? Historically, nations debase the currency at this point. People on fixed incomes are the most screwed. 3. Obamacare. It ain't going away. Medical care will be rationed. Soros will get a new hip. The rest will not. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:26:19 PM EDT
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It would kill me to be retired at 40. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:27:03 PM EDT
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Lol. Rural welders make shit. By the end of my first year, I was making > twice that. Now I make more than 6X what I made before college, and 3X what my education cost me, yearly. I wonder if people realize you are going to make shit at some point, post school, before you get the "experience"? You take the low hanging, shit jobs, and move up. It's called paying your dues. Is it harder, probably. Most folks I have conversations with simply aren't willing to do what's necessary to get started in the baby steps of a successful career. "Man, I can't get a job, I've been busting my ass..." Well, have you considered moving to XXX state, they have tons of that job, no one to fill them? "Move, are you crazy"? Well, how about night shift, I see a posting right here.... "Night shift? That will totally screw with my social life, no way".... What about weekends? "(Laughing)" What about taking an on call schedule, or this job requiring 60 hours a week, to start? "That is soooo not worth it..." Yeah, the job market sucks, good luck, bud. ETA: Not a Boomer. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:54:43 PM EDT
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On average, a degree will make you about $17k more per year than not having a degree. They pay for themselves, and the opportunity cost, in a few short years. All data I can find points to this. Income gap study Lifetime earnings Unemployment and earnings by education level Do you have anything to back up your claims, or are you just being edgy? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Perhaps because a lot more of those 25 to 34 year olds wasted 4-6 years in college instead of getting into the workforce early, working hard, and becoming successful. Income gap study Lifetime earnings Unemployment and earnings by education level Do you have anything to back up your claims, or are you just being edgy? |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 12:11:40 AM EDT
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Yep, like I said foreign workers. There's plenty of tales out there (especially in animation and associated sectors, see: Disney) of American employees being giving a couple weeks notice that they're out and in that time they have to train their lower wage foreign replacement, often from India.
The whole "2 to whatever years experience" thing for entry level jobs is a way of forcing more expensive American workers out of the market so the companies gets to whine and gripe about "not having enough applicants". Then they get their cheap foreign visa workers once they get done fooling everyone into thinking there's a labor shortage and we need more immigrants. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the longest time I wondered what the fucking deal was with that bullshit, then I put it together. It's (very likely) because they're hiring foreign workers. They probably already have experience from working back in their country and are willing to work for less than an educated American. The experience requirement for entry level jobs seems to be a way to keep out people who won't work for nothing, I.E. college educated American workers.
And then companies bitch when their "experienced" worker can't do their entry level job right, can't speak fucking english, and they complain about not having enough "qualified" workers. Well, stop paying people nothing, bring back benefits, and don't hire some foreign slob who's here on a visa. Or just here illegally.
The whole "2 to whatever years experience" thing for entry level jobs is a way of forcing more expensive American workers out of the market so the companies gets to whine and gripe about "not having enough applicants". Then they get their cheap foreign visa workers once they get done fooling everyone into thinking there's a labor shortage and we need more immigrants. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 12:18:39 AM EDT
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Remember that high schools virtually shame kids into going to college, even if it is for a general studies or liberal arts degree. And in my city, GM and chemical plant jobs dominated the workforce until recent years. HS grads made 25$+/hr with great benefits. Those thousands of jobs are gone. Also, ANTIFA crowds and all. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/276423/IMG-3129-207902.JPG Price of a car back then is correct, but, there are lots of cars under $25K that compare to the size of what was back then for $3800. But you also get a MUCH nicer car today... power brakes, AC, CD player....etc. Sorry, I'll spend a little extra for a car built today than back then. Too bad American car companies have not gotten any better since the 70s. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 12:20:55 AM EDT
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Everytime there's a job/trades thread there are always people who say "Go to school for welding and you'll easily be making ____" You're not the first recently to say that finding a job after is not as easy as everyone says it is. Judging by posts here I always thought it was a good trade to get into. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Even me, I spent years in school welding and couldn't even get anyone to let me take a weld test. No one will hire anyone with no experience. You're not the first recently to say that finding a job after is not as easy as everyone says it is. Judging by posts here I always thought it was a good trade to get into. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 12:22:54 AM EDT
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I was making $8 an hour in 1975 and was living large on it.
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