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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:47:45 AM EDT

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So the quality of their gunsmith skills really doesn't matter?

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...Talk all the shit about it you want but until you meet everyone there and see who they REALLY are, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Who are they, REALLY?

Everyday folks who are very nice in real life, whose life is under a microscope on and off screen.

Got to be a real bear to have that sort of scrutiny thrust upon one.

So the quality of their gunsmith skills really doesn't matter?

I don't know what you're talking about.

Posted: 4/19/2014 7:03:39 AM EDT

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I wish Chris would hurry up and get his ass kicked already.

Posted: 4/19/2014 7:26:59 AM EDT

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Some behind the scenes shots of the gun from the show.

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On the show, all we see is Will cutting off the grip of the Mac and welding on the (stainless) Glock grip. No mention nor discussion of how they determined where to cut off the Glock grip so the Glock mags would be at the perfect height for proper feeding in the Mac when installed. I'm sure it wasn't just an "eyeball" measurement.... and they got it just right with one try?

If they stay true to form, this episode will air again next week prior to a new one, and will have bonus scenes. Might be more interesting to watch that one with Kris & Joe going at each other.

Posted: 4/19/2014 7:45:36 AM EDT

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You say that and yes the show twists them around, but they just all appear like idiots on TV. Amazing how Flem is the only one who seems to know what he is doing and consistently comes across as the only normal guy there. Maybe TV just magnifies what you are like in real life?

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...Talk all the shit about it you want but until you meet everyone there and see who they REALLY are, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Who are they, REALLY?

Everyday folks who are very nice in real life, whose life is under a microscope on and off screen.

You say that and yes the show twists them around, but they just all appear like idiots on TV. Amazing how Flem is the only one who seems to know what he is doing and consistently comes across as the only normal guy there. Maybe TV just magnifies what you are like in real life?

Not even close. All of them know what they are doing. Sadly, Discovery edits things to make it appear as it does, not as it really is. Will has a passion for restoring black powder firearms. His handy work and attention to detail is amazing. Joe, while being more practical is incredibly competent and almost OCD on getting it exactly right. He doesn't half ass anything. Dave, Zach and Flem are amazing when it comes to thinking out of the box. Their knowledge spans a huge variety of firearms and other subjects. And while a lot of people talk shit about Stephanie, she's one of the sweetest ladies I know. She knows more about guns than probably 99% of the people on this site. Kris is one of the hardest working people I've ever met. He's incredibly outgoing and comes up with solutions to problems that most people would never even begin to think of.

Seeing everything behind the scenes there makes one really appreciate the crap they have to go through for Discovery. Are they perfect? Nope, they're human beings just like us. Do they deserve the crap that is flung at them for being actors in a show? Nope. I read the posts talking shit about them on here and other places and I have to laugh. You guys do know the difference between TV and the real world right?

Posted: 4/19/2014 8:12:23 AM EDT

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Not even close. All of them know what they are doing. Sadly, Discovery edits things to make it appear as it does, not as it really is. Will has a passion for restoring black powder firearms. His handy work and attention to detail is amazing. Joe, while being more practical is incredibly competent and almost OCD on getting it exactly right. He doesn't half ass anything. Dave, Zach and Flem are amazing when it comes to thinking out of the box. Their knowledge spans a huge variety of firearms and other subjects. And while a lot of people talk shit about Stephanie, she's one of the sweetest ladies I know. She knows more about guns than probably 99% of the people on this site. Kris is one of the hardest working people I've ever met. He's incredibly outgoing and comes up with solutions to problems that most people would never even begin to think of.

Seeing everything behind the scenes there makes one really appreciate the crap they have to go through for Discovery. Are they perfect? Nope, they're human beings just like us. Do they deserve the crap that is flung at them for being actors in a show? Nope. I read the posts talking shit about them on here and other places and I have to laugh. You guys do know the difference between TV and the real world right?

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...Talk all the shit about it you want but until you meet everyone there and see who they REALLY are, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Who are they, REALLY?

Everyday folks who are very nice in real life, whose life is under a microscope on and off screen.

You say that and yes the show twists them around, but they just all appear like idiots on TV. Amazing how Flem is the only one who seems to know what he is doing and consistently comes across as the only normal guy there. Maybe TV just magnifies what you are like in real life?

Not even close. All of them know what they are doing. Sadly, Discovery edits things to make it appear as it does, not as it really is. Will has a passion for restoring black powder firearms. His handy work and attention to detail is amazing. Joe, while being more practical is incredibly competent and almost OCD on getting it exactly right. He doesn't half ass anything. Dave, Zach and Flem are amazing when it comes to thinking out of the box. Their knowledge spans a huge variety of firearms and other subjects. And while a lot of people talk shit about Stephanie, she's one of the sweetest ladies I know. She knows more about guns than probably 99% of the people on this site. Kris is one of the hardest working people I've ever met. He's incredibly outgoing and comes up with solutions to problems that most people would never even begin to think of.

Seeing everything behind the scenes there makes one really appreciate the crap they have to go through for Discovery. Are they perfect? Nope, they're human beings just like us. Do they deserve the crap that is flung at them for being actors in a show? Nope. I read the posts talking shit about them on here and other places and I have to laugh. You guys do know the difference between TV and the real world right?

That's good info, and about what I'd expect from a TV production company.

All the herp & derp that everyone bitches about is manufactured to look that way by the producers, who think that's what gets ratings higher, and in TV, ratings are everything. They're pandering to a "know-nothing" audience, the same people who think gas tanks explode when shot because they saw it in the movies (they explode here too, so that should provide a big clue as to audience the producers are aiming at

) To real "gun people", it comes off as assinine. The producers are feeding the trolls exactly what the trolls want. I watch the show because it's about one of my favorite subjects... guns.

But I tune out the herp & derp drama crap the producers can't get enough of, because I know it's all faked for TV ratings.

Posted: 4/19/2014 8:14:19 AM EDT

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Not even close. All of them know what they are doing. Sadly, Discovery edits things to make it appear as it does, not as it really is. Will has a passion for restoring black powder firearms. His handy work and attention to detail is amazing. Joe, while being more practical is incredibly competent and almost OCD on getting it exactly right. He doesn't half ass anything. Dave, Zach and Flem are amazing when it comes to thinking out of the box. Their knowledge spans a huge variety of firearms and other subjects. And while a lot of people talk shit about Stephanie, she's one of the sweetest ladies I know. She knows more about guns than probably 99% of the people on this site. Kris is one of the hardest working people I've ever met. He's incredibly outgoing and comes up with solutions to problems that most people would never even begin to think of.

Seeing everything behind the scenes there makes one really appreciate the crap they have to go through for Discovery. Are they perfect? Nope, they're human beings just like us. Do they deserve the crap that is flung at them for being actors in a show? Nope. I read the posts talking shit about them on here and other places and I have to laugh. You guys do know the difference between TV and the real world right?

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...Talk all the shit about it you want but until you meet everyone there and see who they REALLY are, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Who are they, REALLY?

Everyday folks who are very nice in real life, whose life is under a microscope on and off screen.

You say that and yes the show twists them around, but they just all appear like idiots on TV. Amazing how Flem is the only one who seems to know what he is doing and consistently comes across as the only normal guy there. Maybe TV just magnifies what you are like in real life?

Not even close. All of them know what they are doing. Sadly, Discovery edits things to make it appear as it does, not as it really is. Will has a passion for restoring black powder firearms. His handy work and attention to detail is amazing. Joe, while being more practical is incredibly competent and almost OCD on getting it exactly right. He doesn't half ass anything. Dave, Zach and Flem are amazing when it comes to thinking out of the box. Their knowledge spans a huge variety of firearms and other subjects. And while a lot of people talk shit about Stephanie, she's one of the sweetest ladies I know. She knows more about guns than probably 99% of the people on this site. Kris is one of the hardest working people I've ever met. He's incredibly outgoing and comes up with solutions to problems that most people would never even begin to think of.

Seeing everything behind the scenes there makes one really appreciate the crap they have to go through for Discovery. Are they perfect? Nope, they're human beings just like us. Do they deserve the crap that is flung at them for being actors in a show? Nope. I read the posts talking shit about them on here and other places and I have to laugh. You guys do know the difference between TV and the real world right?

Word!

Posted: 4/19/2014 8:19:02 AM EDT

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Discovery put up a great clip....worth watching:

Beautiful Nightmare

Posted: 4/19/2014 8:21:44 AM EDT

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Thanks for the insight, HR. Haven't seen your episode yet, I'm a couple of weeks behind but the DVR catches 'em all for me.

I've met and talked with Joe briefly at the NRA AM, but my only real dealings with any of them was getting Flem to rework and refinish a badly worn and beat old HS Supermatic for me a couple of years back... and his work was just shy of magical with that old gun.

Posted: 4/19/2014 8:29:18 AM EDT

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Last nites episode is gonna be on again at noon CST. Wish it was more about guns then the drama. I mean Wil is cutting the Glock then they show the finished piece 60 seconds later.

Posted: 4/19/2014 8:34:54 AM EDT

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On the show, all we see is Will cutting off the grip of the Mac and welding on the (stainless) Glock grip. No mention nor discussion of how they determined where to cut off the Glock grip so the Glock mags would be at the perfect height for proper feeding in the Mac when installed. I'm sure it wasn't just an "eyeball" measurement.... and they got it just right with one try?

If they stay true to form, this episode will air again next week prior to a new one, and will have bonus scenes. Might be more interesting to watch that one with Kris & Joe going at each other.

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Some behind the scenes shots of the gun from the show.

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On the show, all we see is Will cutting off the grip of the Mac and welding on the (stainless) Glock grip. No mention nor discussion of how they determined where to cut off the Glock grip so the Glock mags would be at the perfect height for proper feeding in the Mac when installed. I'm sure it wasn't just an "eyeball" measurement.... and they got it just right with one try?

If they stay true to form, this episode will air again next week prior to a new one, and will have bonus scenes. Might be more interesting to watch that one with Kris & Joe going at each other.

That was some good work instead of the normal "brownells" engineering.

Posted: 4/19/2014 8:36:03 AM EDT

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Which one was the ARFCOM member?

Posted: 4/19/2014 8:38:25 AM EDT

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Not even close. All of them know what they are doing. Sadly, Discovery edits things to make it appear as it does, not as it really is. Will has a passion for restoring black powder firearms. His handy work and attention to detail is amazing. Joe, while being more practical is incredibly competent and almost OCD on getting it exactly right. He doesn't half ass anything. Dave, Zach and Flem are amazing when it comes to thinking out of the box. Their knowledge spans a huge variety of firearms and other subjects. And while a lot of people talk shit about Stephanie, she's one of the sweetest ladies I know. She knows more about guns than probably 99% of the people on this site. Kris is one of the hardest working people I've ever met. He's incredibly outgoing and comes up with solutions to problems that most people would never even begin to think of.

Seeing everything behind the scenes there makes one really appreciate the crap they have to go through for Discovery. Are they perfect? Nope, they're human beings just like us. Do they deserve the crap that is flung at them for being actors in a show? Nope. I read the posts talking shit about them on here and other places and I have to laugh. You guys do know the difference between TV and the real world right?

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...Talk all the shit about it you want but until you meet everyone there and see who they REALLY are, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Who are they, REALLY?

Everyday folks who are very nice in real life, whose life is under a microscope on and off screen.

You say that and yes the show twists them around, but they just all appear like idiots on TV. Amazing how Flem is the only one who seems to know what he is doing and consistently comes across as the only normal guy there. Maybe TV just magnifies what you are like in real life?

Not even close. All of them know what they are doing. Sadly, Discovery edits things to make it appear as it does, not as it really is. Will has a passion for restoring black powder firearms. His handy work and attention to detail is amazing. Joe, while being more practical is incredibly competent and almost OCD on getting it exactly right. He doesn't half ass anything. Dave, Zach and Flem are amazing when it comes to thinking out of the box. Their knowledge spans a huge variety of firearms and other subjects. And while a lot of people talk shit about Stephanie, she's one of the sweetest ladies I know. She knows more about guns than probably 99% of the people on this site. Kris is one of the hardest working people I've ever met. He's incredibly outgoing and comes up with solutions to problems that most people would never even begin to think of.

Seeing everything behind the scenes there makes one really appreciate the crap they have to go through for Discovery. Are they perfect? Nope, they're human beings just like us. Do they deserve the crap that is flung at them for being actors in a show? Nope. I read the posts talking shit about them on here and other places and I have to laugh. You guys do know the difference between TV and the real world right?

Good post HR. We eat our own here. I dont care much for what goes on but I watch it for the gun porn. Plus it generates interest in our hobby and eventually our freedom loving lifestyle.

Posted: 4/19/2014 8:50:58 AM EDT

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From what i have seen of the workmanship quality, well its pretty bad. what is CNC or done on a mill seems to be fine.
the welding and paint is a flat out joke. I machine, weld and fab things daily. I dont see how they put out what they do.
the stuff just LOOKS so bad. as in not well made.

that on TV showcases what you can do, i'm surprised they dont try even harder to make things look nicer.

when i do welds i always blend and try to make it look like there was never a weld done. they do this and it looks like a 6yr old did the work.

Posted: 4/19/2014 9:03:22 AM EDT

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The episode is on now....

Posted: 4/19/2014 9:08:53 AM EDT

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Derp. This whole time, I was thinking of HardShell.

Posted: 4/19/2014 9:28:18 AM EDT

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I'd watch it just to see how bad they fuck it in editing.

Posted: 4/19/2014 9:41:29 AM EDT

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Think I was watching closer last night than I normally would but this jumped out at me. Granted everyone slips now and then but have to wonder how many times I didn't notice.

Posted: 4/19/2014 9:42:04 AM EDT

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Not even close. All of them know what they are doing. Sadly, Discovery edits things to make it appear as it does, not as it really is. Will has a passion for restoring black powder firearms. His handy work and attention to detail is amazing. Joe, while being more practical is incredibly competent and almost OCD on getting it exactly right. He doesn't half ass anything. Dave, Zach and Flem are amazing when it comes to thinking out of the box. Their knowledge spans a huge variety of firearms and other subjects. And while a lot of people talk shit about Stephanie, she's one of the sweetest ladies I know. She knows more about guns than probably 99% of the people on this site. Kris is one of the hardest working people I've ever met. He's incredibly outgoing and comes up with solutions to problems that most people would never even begin to think of.

Seeing everything behind the scenes there makes one really appreciate the crap they have to go through for Discovery. Are they perfect? Nope, they're human beings just like us. Do they deserve the crap that is flung at them for being actors in a show? Nope. I read the posts talking shit about them on here and other places and I have to laugh. You guys do know the difference between TV and the real world right?

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...Talk all the shit about it you want but until you meet everyone there and see who they REALLY are, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Who are they, REALLY?

Everyday folks who are very nice in real life, whose life is under a microscope on and off screen.

You say that and yes the show twists them around, but they just all appear like idiots on TV. Amazing how Flem is the only one who seems to know what he is doing and consistently comes across as the only normal guy there. Maybe TV just magnifies what you are like in real life?

Not even close. All of them know what they are doing. Sadly, Discovery edits things to make it appear as it does, not as it really is. Will has a passion for restoring black powder firearms. His handy work and attention to detail is amazing. Joe, while being more practical is incredibly competent and almost OCD on getting it exactly right. He doesn't half ass anything. Dave, Zach and Flem are amazing when it comes to thinking out of the box. Their knowledge spans a huge variety of firearms and other subjects. And while a lot of people talk shit about Stephanie, she's one of the sweetest ladies I know. She knows more about guns than probably 99% of the people on this site. Kris is one of the hardest working people I've ever met. He's incredibly outgoing and comes up with solutions to problems that most people would never even begin to think of.

Seeing everything behind the scenes there makes one really appreciate the crap they have to go through for Discovery. Are they perfect? Nope, they're human beings just like us. Do they deserve the crap that is flung at them for being actors in a show? Nope. I read the posts talking shit about them on here and other places and I have to laugh. You guys do know the difference between TV and the real world right?

It's just like all the misdirected hate actors get for playing believable or hated villains on fictional shows, such as the death threats Jack Gleeson and Lena Heady were receiving for, rather superbly, acting out their characters on Game of Thrones.

People in general are just retards.

Posted: 4/19/2014 9:48:07 AM EDT

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Damn you sir, you owe me a fresh cup of coffee for making me spit this one all over my screen...well played..

Posted: 4/19/2014 10:09:16 AM EDT

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Which one was the ARFCOM member?

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That was just being discussed the other day . I think there was 3-4 of us there during filming . Maybe more .

Posted: 4/19/2014 10:30:17 AM EDT

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Think I was watching closer last night than I normally would but this jumped out at me. Granted everyone slips now and then but have to wonder how many times I didn't notice.

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There is 2 shops . It is sometimes shown but not really well . There is a "hot" shop where the range is . That is where the ammo is kept . The shop that you see in the pic is the "cold" shop . There is no ammo in that shop except for a little bit of special purpose ammo for testing ( so it doesn't get used up in general function testing , such as 9mm subsonic , .458socom subs , .300blk subs , etc) and it is kept locked up by a couple of people . The reason for this is we are working on guns , handling them and filming them . They need to be as safe as possible . We still treat them as safe as possible but triggers need to be pulled , actions checked etc . Then there is the filming . Take a shop that already has several guys working in it and add the film crew and sometimes a client and a tech guy or two and it gets crowded and busy in there . The film crew wants to see certain things that usually involves handling of the guns . As much as I hate it with an environment that is set up to be that safe people get complacent , I've seen guns shot at gun shows and found live ammo in guns on display at gun shops . I've also seen guys wear gloves while running a saw or grinder , not use a helmet while " tacking" parts together etc. So we are not the only place it happens . That said it still sucks for that kind of stuff to be shown on nat. TV . Still it is no excuse for the finger on the trigger ( no one was infront of the muzzle from what I could tell in any of the shots , but still ) . I don't freek out about it like some do though . The pics of Will holding the gun are no diff than a model in a bikini holding a gun during a photo shoot , except I do not ever want to see Will in a bikini .

Posted: 4/19/2014 10:34:26 AM EDT

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OK

Tune in tonight for some cool stuff

In all fairness I gave my word not to divulge any details....but I think it's kinda cool and was giving a heads up, thought you might enjoy it (Or enjoy flaming me later if you don't think it's cool after watching

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I just received confirmation....

Will it be cool?

or will train wreck ensue?

maybe with more info your post would not suck as much

OK

Tune in tonight for some cool stuff

In all fairness I gave my word not to divulge any details....but I think it's kinda cool and was giving a heads up, thought you might enjoy it (Or enjoy flaming me later if you don't think it's cool after watching

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The REAL Question is whether or not he was serious about producing those Len......If so...ill be in my bunk

Posted: 4/19/2014 10:38:08 AM EDT

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Joe and Charlie hold the FFL I believe

Posted: 4/19/2014 10:42:26 AM EDT

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That gun was way fast...approximately 45 rounds per second or a fire rate of 45 hertz.

Folks @ RJF were kind enough to let me try it out when I passed through and came by.

A 20 round test burst:

video of 20 round test fire

That ringing you hear is every oxygen and argon tank in the place ringing in sympathetic vibration

It will balance on one finger at the base of the rear pistol grip as well....

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Jesus Len...that is just stupid fast....Looked like a lot of fun though

Posted: 4/19/2014 10:49:29 AM EDT

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aside from the drama I liked this episode.

the M11/glock hybrid and the bullpup saiga were interesting would like to see more details on the builds and less staged explosions

Posted: 4/19/2014 11:29:12 AM EDT

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There is 2 shops . It is sometimes shown but not really well . There is a "hot" shop where the range is . That is where the ammo is kept . The shop that you see in the pic is the "cold" shop . There is no ammo in that shop except for a little bit of special purpose ammo for testing ( so it doesn't get used up in general function testing , such as 9mm subsonic , .458socom subs , .300blk subs , etc) and it is kept locked up by a couple of people . The reason for this is we are working on guns , handling them and filming them . They need to be as safe as possible . We still treat them as safe as possible but triggers need to be pulled , actions checked etc . Then there is the filming . Take a shop that already has several guys working in it and add the film crew and sometimes a client and a tech guy or two and it gets crowded and busy in there . The film crew wants to see certain things that usually involves handling of the guns . As much as I hate it with an environment that is set up to be that safe people get complacent , I've seen guns shot at gun shows and found live ammo in guns on display at gun shops . I've also seen guys wear gloves while running a saw or grinder , not use a helmet while " tacking" parts together etc. So we are not the only place it happens . That said it still sucks for that kind of stuff to be shown on nat. TV . Still it is no excuse for the finger on the trigger ( no one was infront of the muzzle from what I could tell in any of the shots , but still ) . I don't freek out about it like some do though . The pics of Will holding the gun are no diff than a model in a bikini holding a gun during a photo shoot , except I do not ever want to see Will in a bikini .

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Think I was watching closer last night than I normally would but this jumped out at me. Granted everyone slips now and then but have to wonder how many times I didn't notice.

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There is 2 shops . It is sometimes shown but not really well . There is a "hot" shop where the range is . That is where the ammo is kept . The shop that you see in the pic is the "cold" shop . There is no ammo in that shop except for a little bit of special purpose ammo for testing ( so it doesn't get used up in general function testing , such as 9mm subsonic , .458socom subs , .300blk subs , etc) and it is kept locked up by a couple of people . The reason for this is we are working on guns , handling them and filming them . They need to be as safe as possible . We still treat them as safe as possible but triggers need to be pulled , actions checked etc . Then there is the filming . Take a shop that already has several guys working in it and add the film crew and sometimes a client and a tech guy or two and it gets crowded and busy in there . The film crew wants to see certain things that usually involves handling of the guns . As much as I hate it with an environment that is set up to be that safe people get complacent , I've seen guns shot at gun shows and found live ammo in guns on display at gun shops . I've also seen guys wear gloves while running a saw or grinder , not use a helmet while " tacking" parts together etc. So we are not the only place it happens . That said it still sucks for that kind of stuff to be shown on nat. TV . Still it is no excuse for the finger on the trigger ( no one was infront of the muzzle from what I could tell in any of the shots , but still ) . I don't freek out about it like some do though . The pics of Will holding the gun are no diff than a model in a bikini holding a gun during a photo shoot , except I do not ever want to see Will in a bikini .

Oh, I fully understand how it can happen and know I've done it myself more times than I can count, checking "feel", dry firing etc. Just surprised me to have bad TD in a scene that would obviously be a focus. Guess awareness of being on camera would wear off after a while.

Posted: 4/19/2014 11:54:29 AM EDT

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Reading comprehension... you need it.

The tanks weren't on the range but in the building, safely away from the range.

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That gun was way fast...approximately 45 rounds per second or a fire rate of 45 hertz.

Folks @ RJF were kind enough to let me try it out when I passed through and came by.

A 20 round test burst:

video of 20 round test fire

That ringing you hear is every oxygen and argon tank in the place ringing in sympathetic vibration

It will balance on one finger at the base of the rear pistol grip as well....

There is an oxygen tank in a range?
Oh, that's a good idea

Reading comprehension... you need it.

The tanks weren't on the range but in the building, safely away from the range.

Yet they were still close enough to be ringing from the shooting?

Or maybe someone was just playing Taps on them with a hammer. Got it.

Posted: 4/19/2014 12:42:56 PM EDT

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Yet they were still close enough to be ringing from the shooting?

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That gun was way fast...approximately 45 rounds per second or a fire rate of 45 hertz.

Folks @ RJF were kind enough to let me try it out when I passed through and came by.

A 20 round test burst:

video of 20 round test fire

That ringing you hear is every oxygen and argon tank in the place ringing in sympathetic vibration

It will balance on one finger at the base of the rear pistol grip as well....

There is an oxygen tank in a range?
Oh, that's a good idea

Reading comprehension... you need it.

The tanks weren't on the range but in the building, safely away from the range.

Yet they were still close enough to be ringing from the shooting?

Or maybe someone was just playing Taps on them with a hammer. Got it.

The range is a concrete tunnel . There is a welding machine with tanks 10ft to the right of the shooter on the other side of the wall . When we light of with the 7" M16's it make the whole building sing .
you can faintly hear it at the end of firing in this vid .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B-4ixjAQPg

Posted: 4/19/2014 1:38:38 PM EDT

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Gotcha. Hey, people in the south...you never know.

Posted: 4/19/2014 1:39:19 PM EDT

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Yet they were still close enough to be ringing from the shooting?

Or maybe someone was just playing Taps on them with a hammer. Got it.

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That gun was way fast...approximately 45 rounds per second or a fire rate of 45 hertz.

Folks @ RJF were kind enough to let me try it out when I passed through and came by.

A 20 round test burst:

video of 20 round test fire

That ringing you hear is every oxygen and argon tank in the place ringing in sympathetic vibration

It will balance on one finger at the base of the rear pistol grip as well....

There is an oxygen tank in a range?
Oh, that's a good idea

Reading comprehension... you need it.

The tanks weren't on the range but in the building, safely away from the range.

Yet they were still close enough to be ringing from the shooting?

Or maybe someone was just playing Taps on them with a hammer. Got it.

No, actually you don't get it. But that's okay, some things you can't fix.

Posted: 4/19/2014 2:36:48 PM EDT

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What would the rate of fire for the Mac/Glock be suppressed?

Posted: 4/19/2014 2:43:19 PM EDT

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GD wins again

Im still strangely aroused at the thought of New Manuf China-Lake 40's being on the DD market.....

Posted: 4/19/2014 2:50:30 PM EDT

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Yep, he's a fucking punk.

Posted: 4/19/2014 2:52:59 PM EDT

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From what i have seen of the workmanship quality, well its pretty bad. what is CNC or done on a mill seems to be fine.
the welding and paint is a flat out joke. I machine, weld and fab things daily. I dont see how they put out what they do.
the stuff just LOOKS so bad. as in not well made.

that on TV showcases what you can do, i'm surprised they dont try even harder to make things look nicer.

when i do welds i always blend and try to make it look like there was never a weld done. they do this and it looks like a 6yr old did the work.

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Yeah, a MIG welder has no business near a firearm.

Posted: 4/19/2014 2:54:58 PM EDT

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sons of derp continues to earn its name

Posted: 4/19/2014 3:46:30 PM EDT

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Two things most likely would happen....

1) depending on the can material it might fail due to the extreme heat as there is a secondary combustion area about 3-4 inches in front of the muzzle (can be seen in the first video I linked to earlier in this thread).

2) The rate of fire would increase most likely faster than a magazine could present the next round.

Your question has many variables such as load data of the ammo, design of the suppressor, type of magazine used etc.....

Posted: 4/19/2014 3:50:08 PM EDT

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If he is a 13er I won't even tune in

Posted: 4/19/2014 3:54:42 PM EDT

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actually you get it.

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That gun was way fast...approximately 45 rounds per second or a fire rate of 45 hertz.

Folks @ RJF were kind enough to let me try it out when I passed through and came by.

A 20 round test burst:

video of 20 round test fire

That ringing you hear is every oxygen and argon tank in the place ringing in sympathetic vibration

It will balance on one finger at the base of the rear pistol grip as well....

There is an oxygen tank in a range?
Oh, that's a good idea

Reading comprehension... you need it.

The tanks weren't on the range but in the building, safely away from the range.

Yet they were still close enough to be ringing from the shooting?

Or maybe someone was just playing Taps on them with a hammer. Got it.

actually you get it.

Fixed

Posted: 4/19/2014 4:03:49 PM EDT

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I don't know about the SoG people but Hard_Rock is one cool motherfucker.

Jim

Posted: 4/19/2014 4:11:50 PM EDT

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I wish Chris would hurry up and get his ass kicked already.

Yep, he's a fucking punk.

This comment earned me an IM from a Chris fan.

They make us look bad. I'm sure the show is the only exposure a lot of people get of gun owners. Acting or not, they portray themselves as unsafe inbred douchebags.

Flem, and Joe are the exception.

Posted: 4/19/2014 6:53:32 PM EDT

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Think I was watching closer last night than I normally would but this jumped out at me. Granted everyone slips now and then but have to wonder how many times I didn't notice.

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I saw that as well. In early episodes Will made it VERY clear that NO LIVE ROUNDS IN THE SHOP. He may have been dry firing and getting a feel for the ergos and the production crew cut it out.
Still hurts to see it though.

Posted: 4/19/2014 7:03:04 PM EDT

[#42]

Nice! Looks good y'all.

Posted: 4/19/2014 7:12:59 PM EDT

[#43]

Tag from phone

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Posted: 4/20/2014 3:20:54 AM EDT

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This comment earned me an IM from a Chris fan.

They make us look bad. I'm sure the show is the only exposure a lot of people get of gun owners. Acting or not, they portray themselves as unsafe inbred douchebags.

Flem, and Joe are the exception.

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I wish Chris would hurry up and get his ass kicked already.

Yep, he's a fucking punk.

This comment earned me an IM from a Chris fan.

They make us look bad. I'm sure the show is the only exposure a lot of people get of gun owners. Acting or not, they portray themselves as unsafe inbred douchebags.

Flem, and Joe are the exception.

That IM was from me about your Masonic Avatar and your postings not reflecting the actions of a Mason

As to being a fan, no....I have worked with him over a three year period....What do you base your overflowing wisdom opinion from???

Instead of IM'ing me back and discussing it you were all to giddy and proud and had to post

Fake avatar

Posted: 4/20/2014 5:34:30 AM EDT

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That IM was from me about your Masonic Avatar and your postings not reflecting the actions of a Mason

As to being a fan, no....I have worked with him over a three year period....What do you base your overflowing wisdom opinion from???

Instead of IM'ing me back and discussing it you were all to giddy and proud and had to post

Fake avatar

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I wish Chris would hurry up and get his ass kicked already.

Yep, he's a fucking punk.

This comment earned me an IM from a Chris fan.

They make us look bad. I'm sure the show is the only exposure a lot of people get of gun owners. Acting or not, they portray themselves as unsafe inbred douchebags.

Flem, and Joe are the exception.

That IM was from me about your Masonic Avatar and your postings not reflecting the actions of a Mason

As to being a fan, no....I have worked with him over a three year period....What do you base your overflowing wisdom opinion from???

Instead of IM'ing me back and discussing it you were all to giddy and proud and had to post

Fake avatar

You're right, I'm a bad person, and clearly unmasonic for having an opinion about a tv show actor.

Guess what, Tom Cruise is a douchebag too. Speaking of actors, don't get me started on the Kenyan.

Read the obligation again and tell me where it says we cannot criticize actors. I believe it does mention in detail about our actions toward our fellow brothers. You are not being a very good example here.

You mentioned my avatar being fake. Admit you are wrong, and apologize.

FF KK BB HB CC WMTE. MHB.

Posted: 4/20/2014 6:38:49 AM EDT

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Not even close. All of them know what they are doing. Sadly, Discovery edits things to make it appear as it does, not as it really is. Will has a passion for restoring black powder firearms. His handy work and attention to detail is amazing. Joe, while being more practical is incredibly competent and almost OCD on getting it exactly right. He doesn't half ass anything. Dave, Zach and Flem are amazing when it comes to thinking out of the box. Their knowledge spans a huge variety of firearms and other subjects. And while a lot of people talk shit about Stephanie, she's one of the sweetest ladies I know. She knows more about guns than probably 99% of the people on this site. Kris is one of the hardest working people I've ever met. He's incredibly outgoing and comes up with solutions to problems that most people would never even begin to think of.

Seeing everything behind the scenes there makes one really appreciate the crap they have to go through for Discovery. Are they perfect? Nope, they're human beings just like us. Do they deserve the crap that is flung at them for being actors in a show? Nope. I read the posts talking shit about them on here and other places and I have to laugh. You guys do know the difference between TV and the real world right?

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...Talk all the shit about it you want but until you meet everyone there and see who they REALLY are, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Who are they, REALLY?

Everyday folks who are very nice in real life, whose life is under a microscope on and off screen.

You say that and yes the show twists them around, but they just all appear like idiots on TV. Amazing how Flem is the only one who seems to know what he is doing and consistently comes across as the only normal guy there. Maybe TV just magnifies what you are like in real life?

Not even close. All of them know what they are doing. Sadly, Discovery edits things to make it appear as it does, not as it really is. Will has a passion for restoring black powder firearms. His handy work and attention to detail is amazing. Joe, while being more practical is incredibly competent and almost OCD on getting it exactly right. He doesn't half ass anything. Dave, Zach and Flem are amazing when it comes to thinking out of the box. Their knowledge spans a huge variety of firearms and other subjects. And while a lot of people talk shit about Stephanie, she's one of the sweetest ladies I know. She knows more about guns than probably 99% of the people on this site. Kris is one of the hardest working people I've ever met. He's incredibly outgoing and comes up with solutions to problems that most people would never even begin to think of.

Seeing everything behind the scenes there makes one really appreciate the crap they have to go through for Discovery. Are they perfect? Nope, they're human beings just like us. Do they deserve the crap that is flung at them for being actors in a show? Nope. I read the posts talking shit about them on here and other places and I have to laugh. You guys do know the difference between TV and the real world right?

Well said!

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Posted: 4/20/2014 4:36:43 PM EDT

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Not even close. All of them know what they are doing. Sadly, Discovery edits things to make it appear as it does, not as it really is. Will has a passion for restoring black powder firearms. His handy work and attention to detail is amazing. Joe, while being more practical is incredibly competent and almost OCD on getting it exactly right. He doesn't half ass anything. Dave, Zach and Flem are amazing when it comes to thinking out of the box. Their knowledge spans a huge variety of firearms and other subjects. And while a lot of people talk shit about Stephanie, she's one of the sweetest ladies I know. She knows more about guns than probably 99% of the people on this site. Kris is one of the hardest working people I've ever met. He's incredibly outgoing and comes up with solutions to problems that most people would never even begin to think of.

Seeing everything behind the scenes there makes one really appreciate the crap they have to go through for Discovery. Are they perfect? Nope, they're human beings just like us. Do they deserve the crap that is flung at them for being actors in a show? Nope. I read the posts talking shit about them on here and other places and I have to laugh. You guys do know the difference between TV and the real world right?

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Not even close. All of them know what they are doing. Sadly, Discovery edits things to make it appear as it does, not as it really is. Will has a passion for restoring black powder firearms. His handy work and attention to detail is amazing. Joe, while being more practical is incredibly competent and almost OCD on getting it exactly right. He doesn't half ass anything. Dave, Zach and Flem are amazing when it comes to thinking out of the box. Their knowledge spans a huge variety of firearms and other subjects. And while a lot of people talk shit about Stephanie, she's one of the sweetest ladies I know. She knows more about guns than probably 99% of the people on this site. Kris is one of the hardest working people I've ever met. He's incredibly outgoing and comes up with solutions to problems that most people would never even begin to think of.

Seeing everything behind the scenes there makes one really appreciate the crap they have to go through for Discovery. Are they perfect? Nope, they're human beings just like us. Do they deserve the crap that is flung at them for being actors in a show? Nope. I read the posts talking shit about them on here and other places and I have to laugh. You guys do know the difference between TV and the real world right?

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Well said!

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Agreed ^^ I like the show. the drama is BS but they make some cool weapons and get to do some things that 90% of us will never get to do.

Posted: 4/21/2014 9:34:34 PM EDT

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I am just baffled that good decent people that are not retards would allow themselves to be humiliated like they do. Do they not watch the final product? Is the money THAT good?

I'll assume from the people that have met them that they are as they say they are, but...they sure are wearing a clown's uniform.

Posted: 4/22/2014 4:51:30 PM EDT

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Every Discovery Reality Show has the EXACT Same dynamic.....Unrealistic Deadlines, Interpersonal Drama and just enough technical stuff to keep the gearheads watching.... Im SURE they knew what was coming, but im ALSO sure that they are being paid well for it, and their name is getting out there. The show wont last forever, but their business will probably be there when the show has been relegated to reruns

Posted: 4/22/2014 5:23:34 PM EDT

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You're right, I'm a bad person, and clearly unmasonic for having an opinion about a tv show actor.

Guess what, Tom Cruise is a douchebag too. Speaking of actors, don't get me started on the Kenyan.

Read the obligation again and tell me where it says we cannot criticize actors. I believe it does mention in detail about our actions toward our fellow brothers. You are not being a very good example here.

You mentioned my avatar being fake. Admit you are wrong, and apologize.

FF KK BB HB CC WMTE. MHB.

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I wish Chris would hurry up and get his ass kicked already.

Yep, he's a fucking punk.

This comment earned me an IM from a Chris fan.

They make us look bad. I'm sure the show is the only exposure a lot of people get of gun owners. Acting or not, they portray themselves as unsafe inbred douchebags.

Flem, and Joe are the exception.

That IM was from me about your Masonic Avatar and your postings not reflecting the actions of a Mason

As to being a fan, no....I have worked with him over a three year period....What do you base your overflowing wisdom opinion from???

Instead of IM'ing me back and discussing it you were all to giddy and proud and had to post

Fake avatar

You're right, I'm a bad person, and clearly unmasonic for having an opinion about a tv show actor.

Guess what, Tom Cruise is a douchebag too. Speaking of actors, don't get me started on the Kenyan.

Read the obligation again and tell me where it says we cannot criticize actors. I believe it does mention in detail about our actions toward our fellow brothers. You are not being a very good example here.

You mentioned my avatar being fake. Admit you are wrong, and apologize.

FF KK BB HB CC WMTE. MHB.

Did shit just get real..??

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