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Posted: 3/21/2010 10:44:24 AM EDT

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Just for clarity, is doing something like this " <COC violation>" when you want to express that you cannot write what is really on your mind without being subject to a lock or ban considered an edit attributed to a moderator or site staff? I usually read these as posted by the author, not by others when there is no name attached. I have done this myself, but never attributed it to a moderator or other person and would like to continue to providing that it does not violate the spirit of the rule.

This type of post in certain thread does seem appropriate, but should a different highlight color be used instead? Red seems to show up the best and represents a bit of the Devil––-historically a red character.

I owuld say from what Ed has wrote that it is ok....as you did not put a name in on it.....

Posted: 3/21/2010 10:44:26 AM EDT

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Nevermind.

Posted: 3/21/2010 10:46:42 AM EDT

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It's actually neither "slanderous" nor "libelous," but rules are rules. I suppose arfcommers (at least those who have complained) are too stupid to look at who edited what?

Either way, it's your site, so I'll follow the rules (never have done this particular thing anyway), but I wanted to just correct the OP in that there is neither slander nor libel involved in "fake edits."

well, it does indeed fall into the "reasonable belief" criterion, as evidenced by last night's episode. when i first saw a faux mod edit, i didn't immediately check to see that a mod actually edited it. did you?

and it certainly is defamitory, with the same thread as an example.

finally, the defamed party suffered tangible financial damage.

so since you're correcting ed and saying that it can't be libel, what would it be?

Prove it. It can just as easily be proven that CTD, as of last night had and will get more hits on the website because of the attention brought to it. Am I to believe Glocks really have pins and blow up when thrown? Get real!!!

I'd say CTD earned their tangible financial loss by posting things on sale -50% and up. The only reason they are getting defended is to protect the bottom line of the website, which I understand. It's too bad that one vendor who pays to use the site trumps dozens of members who pay to use the site as well. It's just a calculation of what will bring in the most money.

Posted: 3/21/2010 10:49:04 AM EDT

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You can contest,criticize, etc their prices.What you cannot do is say something in your post and make it look to an unsuspecting reader (newbies, people who read,etc) like someone else has edited your comment.

Well, if they could read then they would know who edited the post.

No, we must save them from themselves.

Posted: 3/21/2010 10:53:22 AM EDT

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It's fun if it's true http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=312&t=168934

the fake CTD edits were getting kind of old but that's freakin funny

lol

Posted: 3/21/2010 10:57:17 AM EDT

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The edits by members and attributed to CTD stopped being funny the day after it started, and if you haven't gotten over their prices a year later, you are hypocritical when you say "the US is a capitalist system and it's a free market". If you don't like their prices, don't buy from them. PERIOD!

The issue was that they were making up false (and laughably high) "List Prices" to show a savings on their advertised price. Besides being illegal, (which in this case I care little about because one has to be as slow witted as xLucidx to be deceived by), it was just ridiculous. Hence the ridicule.

Posted: 3/21/2010 11:01:01 AM EDT

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You can contest,criticize, etc their prices.What you cannot do is say something in your post and make it look to an unsuspecting reader (newbies, people who read,etc) like someone else has edited your comment.

Well, if they could read then they would know who edited the post.

No, we must save them from themselves.

thats what today is......SAVE THEM FROM THEMSELVES DAY.....your overlords in DC are seeing to it at this very minute..............

Posted: 3/21/2010 11:02:04 AM EDT

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SYSTEM FAILURE

Posted: 3/21/2010 11:08:07 AM EDT

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dosnt it say who it was actually edited by in the upper right corner above the text?

this is why i dont want to buy a membership, im afraid id say something stupid and someone will take it the wrong way and down comes the ban hammer. (yeah i know, free to leave right? just not the kind of freedom of speech i would expect) i understand the mod and staff reasoning, but many "rights" can be reasoned away from speech to gun ownership and now the need of govt health care is reasoned... though logic begs to differ.

not trying to start anything, just my two cents (i actually feel like i need this disclaimer so i dont get banned or temp locked or something)

Can you tell me who was banned?

There is plenty of stupid said here everyday. We give members plenty of lead to have them rectify their behavior before they are banned. If you do not want to support the site financially, don't, but don't come up with bullshit to support your reasons for not doing it.

there is plenty of stupid stuff said here, but stupid ideas are batted down and trolls and bigots exposed. ive said stupid stuff as well when i really bit into a guy when i misread a post (i apologized through an IM and on the thread and learned my lesson about drunk posting after i reread the conversation) but you know as well as i that there are a bunch of bullshit rules designed to make it easier on the mods rather than allow the full expression of speech.

i really was going to buy a membership to support the site but decided against it. raise the BS flag if you want but what matters is i know the truth. now there are more rules because an outsider may read something and not understand it? God forbid someone might be offended or take something the wrong way. and im sure you guys do give more leeway to members, but the limited speech thing is not something i wish to buy into

anyone here recognizes you dont make guns illegal because a few people use them to hurt other people. for the same reason i personally dont agree with these limits on speech and expression. if someone uses the edit to say "your a cocksucker ~ CTD" they should be reprimanded for a personal attack, not for writing "CTD" when anyone can see they edited their own post by looking up above the text. or reprimand people who posted porn rather than a girl in a bikini, something you can see in a Disney movie.

i recognized that it was to make things easier already, but an unarmed society is also easier to control yet we know that is not right.

though some will say they dont want it to become 4chan, and from what ive heard, neither do I, but also from what i hear, there are some pretty fucke up people there who post things which are in the gray areas of REAL law, while here if it appears to be against the law it is dealt with, and rightly so.

so i say to you, "dont come up with bullshit reasons to support your reasons for" doing it.

Posted: 3/21/2010 11:11:36 AM EDT

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ANY company with an Industry partner forum dedicated to their own company has the right that they bought and paid for from AR15.com to censor ANY posts in their own forum that they would like.

CTD is NOT the only company to edit posts in their industry partners forum ...........

Ask me how I know .... and ask about "sport deleting".

No offense, but your account should have been deleted for some of your antagonistic actions in that forum. It's somewhat disingenuous of you to not also mention that you are under penalty of ban if you make anymore posts of that type, in that particular forum; just saying....

Posted: 3/21/2010 11:13:19 AM EDT

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I will go ahead and toss out a mea culpa to ED SR.

I attribute the thread last night to a lot of stressed out guys drinking and blowing off some steam.

Honestly though, I was just cracking on some of our brothers in arms behind enemy lines on the left coast. It was all in good fun.

Hell, I was laughing so hard I even edited out one of my edits

I wake up to find the thread, trashed and locked... I really had no idea that xLucidx was not in on the action.... It seemed that he was playing devils advocate troll very well.

That thread did feel like the older days of Arfcom when I was just a lurker...

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Maybe most people know -or should know- that the edits were made by the member posting, in which case the poster himself should be banned for personal insults when saying : "you are a cockfag.edited by CTD",etc

Actually I said, "Enter the coupon code Suprise Cockfag for our special price."

Posted: 3/21/2010 11:20:48 AM EDT

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Who, or what, is CTD?

And I'm not even sure what a "pseudo-edit" is.

CTD is Cheaper Than Dirt, the company.

"pseudo-edit"...look at the post above your post.
That is what Ed is putting a stop to.
It's gotten out of hand, sort of like "fo time" has been uttered a thousand times in the last week.

Which, interestingly, is not really all that cheap...talk about false advertising.

Posted: 3/21/2010 11:21:58 AM EDT

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I am Fartacus?

Next think you know, we can't mess with peoples quotes..

I thing your right

Posted: 3/21/2010 11:23:51 AM EDT

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It's fun if it's true http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=312&t=168934

Posted: 3/21/2010 11:24:27 AM EDT

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Thread was pure win.

You know it was when we added a new COC.

Posted: 3/21/2010 11:43:31 AM EDT

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I will go ahead and toss out a mea culpa to ED SR.

I attribute the thread last night to a lot of stressed out guys drinking and blowing off some steam.

Honestly though, I was just cracking on some of our brothers in arms behind enemy lines on the left coast. It was all in good fun.

Hell, I was laughing so hard I even edited out one of my edits

I wake up to find the thread, trashed and locked... I really had no idea that xLucidx was not in on the action.... It seemed that he was playing devils advocate troll very well.

That thread did feel like the older days of Arfcom when I was just a lurker...

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Maybe most people know -or should know- that the edits were made by the member posting, in which case the poster himself should be banned for personal insults when saying : "you are a cockfag.edited by CTD",etc

Actually I said, "Enter the coupon code Suprise Cockfag for our special price."

That thread was great!

Posted: 3/21/2010 11:44:29 AM EDT

[#17]

Another fun thing destroyed

Posted: 3/21/2010 11:50:00 AM EDT

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It always shocked me how many people took that stupid shit seriously...

makes me realize why those silly Nigerian phishing emails work.

Posted: 3/21/2010 11:50:56 AM EDT

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Really? C'mon, really?

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:00:20 PM EDT

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Posted: 3/21/2010 12:06:08 PM EDT

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It was fun while it lasted.

xLucidx, Master_Of_Orion and a couple of March '10 newbies were the ones freaking out. Lucid in particular was gonna "get those bastards at CTD!".

Now if only smackdowns could be handed out for "glocks are grenades" idiocy, I could probably get behind it. Sure, every once in a while it's funny (ish), but every time someone mentions Glock, some short bus seat warmer digs into his diaper and scrawls "Glocks go booom!" on the wall with his own feces.

That made me laugh as much as the thread from last night.

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:09:07 PM EDT

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I was part of this awhile back although today is the first time I've seen a thread where CTD actually edited posts because they wanted the thread to "stay on topic". But seriously, it many here hate CTD and it's hard to tell them to avoid them, they why not simply remove CTD to avoid further headaches? The site can live without them.

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:10:53 PM EDT

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It's actually neither "slanderous" nor "libelous," but rules are rules. I suppose arfcommers (at least those who have complained) are too stupid to look at who edited what?

Either way, it's your site, so I'll follow the rules (never have done this particular thing anyway), but I wanted to just correct the OP in that there is neither slander nor libel involved in "fake edits."

well, it does indeed fall into the "reasonable belief" criterion, as evidenced by last night's episode. when i first saw a faux mod edit, i didn't immediately check to see that a mod actually edited it. did you?

and it certainly is defamitory, with the same thread as an example.

finally, the defamed party suffered tangible financial damage.

so since you're correcting ed and saying that it can't be libel, what would it be?

Prove it. It can just as easily be proven that CTD, as of last night had and will get more hits on the website because of the attention brought to it. Am I to believe Glocks really have pins and blow up when thrown? Get real!!!

I'd say CTD earned their tangible financial loss by posting things on sale -50% and up. The only reason they are getting defended is to protect the bottom line of the website, which I understand. It's too bad that one vendor who pays to use the site trumps dozens of members who pay to use the site as well. It's just a calculation of what will bring in the most money.

I guess it couldn't just be a matter of what's fair and reasonable. Nah, of course not.

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:12:06 PM EDT

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I was part of this awhile back although today is the first time I've seen a thread where CTD actually edited posts because they wanted the thread to "stay on topic". But seriously, it many here hate CTD and it's hard to tell them to avoid them, they why not simply remove CTD to avoid further headaches? The site can live without them.

Perhaps because they paid thousands of dollars to have an advertising contract here? Do you really want the site to not honor its contracts? Really?

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:19:50 PM EDT

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Here at AR15.com it's never about the money.

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:20:09 PM EDT

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It's fun if it's true http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=312&t=168934

That did make me laugh

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:21:21 PM EDT

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CTD has never complaine

It is NOT a joke to make something you say, look like someone else said it. It is borderline fraudulent and slanderous/libelous.
Maybe most people know -or should know- that the edits were made by the member posting, in which case the poster himself should be banned for personal insults when saying : "you are a cockfag.edited by CTD",etc

The edits by members and attributed to CTD stopped being funny the day after it started, and if you haven't gotten over their prices a year later, you are hypocritical when you say "the US is a capitalist system and it's a free market". If you don't like their prices, don't buy from them. PERIOD!

This should have perhaps been stopped when it started, but that is what happens when something here is allowed to "die on it's own" but people continue to push and push and push, until something gives.
Call this last 16 page thread the straw that broke the camel's back!

Isn't it a function of the free market to openly criticize prices the market doesn't like? Now if we were advocating the government change CTD's prices, that wouldn't be capitalism.

You can contest,criticize, etc their prices.What you cannot do is say something in your post and make it look to an unsuspecting reader (newbies, people who read,etc) like someone else has edited your comment.

Well, if they could read then they would know who edited the post.

The name on the right top corner is that of the poster making the LAST edit on record, so it is conceivable to think that the post was edited by the person or company in red and then the poster went back to his/her post and edited something else

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:22:51 PM EDT

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It's fun if it's true http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=312&t=168934

That did make me laugh

Me too!!!

I won't miss those edits, but too bad one or two children have caused a new CoC rule.

Kinda like most schools, teach to the slowest student. Punish the quick-witted for the slow...

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:23:23 PM EDT

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Here at AR15.com it's never about the money.

Steve, I am not in a fucking mood for dry humor today!

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:25:56 PM EDT

[#30]

nm

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:26:44 PM EDT

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It's fun if it's true http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=312&t=168934

That did make me laugh

Me too!!!

I won't miss those edits, but too bad one or two children have caused a new CoC rule.

Kinda like most schools, teach to the slowest student. Punish the quick-witted for the slow...

If those who posted the pseudo-edits -whom I assume you refer to as the slow students- were "punished", I calculate that over a hundred accounts would have to be locked. Is that more desirable than correcting something (false editing) that is wrong on its own merits?

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:29:10 PM EDT

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nm

I lol'd before your edit

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:31:00 PM EDT

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nm

I lol'd before your edit

As did I

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:32:31 PM EDT

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Here at AR15.com it's never about the money.

Steve, I am not in a fucking mood for dry humor today!

Start drinking!

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:34:17 PM EDT

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Here at AR15.com it's never about the money.

Steve, I am not in a fucking mood for dry humor today!

Start drinking!

That would be awesome! EdSr. drunk posting!

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:36:23 PM EDT

[#36]

*sigh* Internet power... Real serious business....

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:39:54 PM EDT

[#37]

I want my ARF.com back

Posted: 3/21/2010 12:46:02 PM EDT

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The name on the right top corner is that of the poster making the LAST edit on record, so it is conceivable to think that the post was edited by the person or company in red and then the poster went back to his/her post and edited something else

Oh, please.

There is no one with a single brain-cell firing that didn't understand that this was a joke.

Posted: 3/21/2010 1:01:22 PM EDT

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The name on the right top corner is that of the poster making the LAST edit on record, so it is conceivable to think that the post was edited by the person or company in red and then the poster went back to his/her post and edited something else

Oh, please.

There is no one with a single brain-cell firing that didn't understand that this was a joke.

Oh really?

You think people who come to read the site rarely or for the first time know who edited what?

Posted: 3/21/2010 1:06:40 PM EDT

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While you're at it, ban the "Cool story bro" posts; they're irritating, add nothing, and are becoming disruptive from my perspective. Double bans for those that post that stupid picture.

Posted: 3/21/2010 1:08:01 PM EDT

[#41]

Well I can understand both sides here and to me it is not the problem of a joke but more like how it was abused for one. Another point is the fact that quite a few people do not realize that only certain people have the ability to edit in only certain areas of this website.

Now throw in the fact that how many people post up "look what I did when I was drunk" you put those things together and then this kind of joke or abuse can get carried too far. Yes some people are not too bright, but still is it ok to constantly push the limits just to see how far you can go? At what point does that kind of "extreme" go over the line?

Granted it isn't great to see a joke get killed off, but when it is carried too far it should still be ok not to set SOME kind of limit?

Posted: 3/21/2010 1:09:10 PM EDT

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I'm curious, did CTD request this? complain? or was it just annoyance that got it snuffed?

Posted: 3/21/2010 1:12:30 PM EDT

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Who, or what, is CTD?

And I'm not even sure what a "pseudo-edit" is.

Cheaper Than Dirt.

Last night some dude was talking about getting hammered and going through the CTD catalogue. Some joker posted something and then edited in a "no you don't. CTD" quip. Drunk guy thought that CTD ACTUALLY edited the post,and it quickly became 5 pages of hilarity, as people who knew the CTD edit things were a joke and 1 or two people who seriously thought that CTD had the power to edit posts with insulting comments.

The guy who was NOT in on the joke flipped the fuck out, and apparently, wrote Ed a couple of letters, pleading for him to remove the Tyrant King of CTD.

What a dumbass. Freaking people have to go and ruin such a funny thing, fuck.

Posted: 3/21/2010 1:13:40 PM EDT

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You think people who come to read the site rarely or for the first time know who edited what?

People that come here for the first time have no fucking idea what CTD is.

You're grasping Ed.

Posted: 3/21/2010 1:13:48 PM EDT

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While you're at it, ban the "Cool story bro" posts; they're irritating, add nothing, and are becoming disruptive from my perspective. Double bans for those that post that stupid picture.

This. If you're going to ban "edit by CTD", the CSB shit has to stop as well......at least the CTD edits were funny.

Posted: 3/21/2010 1:15:02 PM EDT

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While you're at it, ban the "Cool story bro" posts; they're irritating, add nothing, and are becoming disruptive from my perspective. Double bans for those that post that stupid picture.

This. If you're going to ban "edit by CTD", the CSB shit has to stop as well......at least the CTD edits were funny.

And the "edit by CTD" were an Arfcom original. CSB is a lame meme from 4chan.