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Posted: 4/20/2014 7:46:53 PM EDT
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That wiki article said they get at best about 60% absorption of alcohol to sugar by weight, so for every 3 parts alcohol you'd have 5 parts sugar to process. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Much thanks, I now have a vague grasp of the magic involved. Agreed on the sugar thing. As a mead brewer I have to use a minimum of two parts of sugar for ever part of alcohol I expect to get. The pre-brewing must (sugar/water mix) is VERY sweet and sugar filled as a drink. By your explanation it sounds like easily more than double the mass of sugar to alcohol is required for this powder... That is a lot of sugar in a drink. That wiki article said they get at best about 60% absorption of alcohol to sugar by weight, so for every 3 parts alcohol you'd have 5 parts sugar to process. That's actually not as bad as I was thinking. Still, at 5% alcohol, that would be a really sweet drink. At 10% it would be liquid cake (like Mead must). In before the diabeeetus lawsuit. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 7:48:20 PM EDT
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That's actually not as bad as I was thinking. Still, at 5% alcohol, that would be a really sweet drink. At 10% it would taste like liquid cake pie (like Mead must does). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Much thanks, I now have a vague grasp of the magic involved. Agreed on the sugar thing. As a mead brewer I have to use a minimum of two parts of sugar for ever part of alcohol I expect to get. The pre-brewing must (sugar/water mix) is VERY sweet and sugar filled as a drink. By your explanation it sounds like easily more than double the mass of sugar to alcohol is required for this powder... That is a lot of sugar in a drink. That wiki article said they get at best about 60% absorption of alcohol to sugar by weight, so for every 3 parts alcohol you'd have 5 parts sugar to process. That's actually not as bad as I was thinking. Still, at 5% alcohol, that would be a really sweet drink. At 10% it would taste like liquid cake pie (like Mead must does).  
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Posted: 4/20/2014 7:49:42 PM EDT
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Now put THAT into MRE's
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Posted: 4/20/2014 7:51:12 PM EDT
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Now put THAT into MRE's What could possibly go wrong?
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Posted: 4/20/2014 7:55:19 PM EDT
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This sounds awesome, especially the sprinkle on food part.
I suspect a huge jump in sales of these  |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 8:00:50 PM EDT
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I'm looking forward to checking it out.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 8:08:08 PM EDT
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Since the weight of the alcohol is the same (more, with the encapsulating powder), what weight is this saving? The bottle? Plastic flask of PGA FTW! bro, do you even ultralight backpack? water is heavy. filter your water on-site, add lightweight powder, profit. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 8:17:20 PM EDT
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bro, do you even ultralight backpack? water is heavy. filter your water on-site, add lightweight powder, profit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since the weight of the alcohol is the same (more, with the encapsulating powder), what weight is this saving? The bottle? Plastic flask of PGA FTW! bro, do you even ultralight backpack? water is heavy. filter your water on-site, add lightweight powder, profit. Do you even Science bro? You're going to be hauling Alcohol, and sugar. It's not magic. If you want lightweight ethanol, get Everclear. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 8:22:58 PM EDT
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Do you even Science bro? You're going to be hauling Alcohol, and sugar. It's not magic. If you want lightweight ethanol, get Everclear. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since the weight of the alcohol is the same (more, with the encapsulating powder), what weight is this saving? The bottle? Plastic flask of PGA FTW! bro, do you even ultralight backpack? water is heavy. filter your water on-site, add lightweight powder, profit. Do you even Science bro? You're going to be hauling Alcohol, and sugar. It's not magic. If you want lightweight ethanol, get Everclear. Do you even Witchcraft, bro? All I need is yeast.
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:37:04 PM EDT
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The cruise industry is going to go broke.
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:39:11 PM EDT
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The water. Ultralight backpackers filter water onsite. 
Also falvoring and sweetener could be included in this powder mix. Its not so much the idea of add water, get PGA, but rather, add water and have a complete cocktail. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From the Palcohol website: 1. Who created it? Mark Phillips. Click on the link above for information about Mark. 2. Why? Mark is an active guy...hiking, biking, camping, kayaking, etc. After hours of an activity, he sometimes wanted to relax and enjoy a refreshing adult beverage. But those activities, and many others, don't lend themselves to lugging heavy bottles of wine, beer or spirits. The only liquid he wanted to carry was water. Since the weight of the alcohol is the same (more, with the encapsulating powder), what weight is this saving? The bottle? Plastic flask of PGA FTW! The water. Ultralight backpackers filter water onsite.
Also falvoring and sweetener could be included in this powder mix. Its not so much the idea of add water, get PGA, but rather, add water and have a complete cocktail. COCKTAILS?!? I just take shots of PGA. |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:40:59 PM EDT
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Do you even Science bro? You're going to be hauling Alcohol, and sugar. It's not magic. If you want lightweight ethanol, get Everclear. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since the weight of the alcohol is the same (more, with the encapsulating powder), what weight is this saving? The bottle? Plastic flask of PGA FTW! bro, do you even ultralight backpack? water is heavy. filter your water on-site, add lightweight powder, profit. Do you even Science bro? You're going to be hauling Alcohol, and sugar. It's not magic. If you want lightweight ethanol, get Everclear. I prefer Golden Grain. I can get it 190 proof. (PGA = Pure Grain Alcohol) |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:41:47 PM EDT
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bro, do you even ultralight backpack? water is heavy. filter your water on-site, add lightweight powder, profit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since the weight of the alcohol is the same (more, with the encapsulating powder), what weight is this saving? The bottle? Plastic flask of PGA FTW! bro, do you even ultralight backpack? water is heavy. filter your water on-site, add lightweight powder, profit. I carry kegs of homebrew camping. |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:47:06 PM EDT
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I've seen this stuff before. Don't ask me where, but I know it's existed for a while. right about here: 
Using viral glass technology. |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 7:56:36 PM EDT
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I wonder if you can snort it. As it is, people tend to get dehydrated from drinking ordinary alcohol that's mostly water. Can you imagine how dehydrated you'd get from ingesting alcohol that didn't contain any water? |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 8:17:26 PM EDT
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Certainly doable. What you have is a crystalline (solid) material that has a molecular "pocket" within it with functional groups facing inward to that pocket so that they can hold a molecule of ethanol in that space. The ethanol doesn't bond to the carrier molecule, it simply coordinates to it via weak intermolecular interactions. If you're familiar with the process by which detergent molecules coordinate around otherwise hydrophobic molecules and then allow them to be carried away by water, its a similar kind of idea. Since the crystalline "cage" molecule is much larger than the EtOH molecule it traps, the overall coordination complex is still a solid material at standard conditions, thus a powder. Upon dissolving the powder in water, the crystalline cage, which is a multi unit sugar and water soluble, dissolves and frees the EtOH molecule into the liquid. One drawback to this idea I can see is that it won't be for the calorie conscius. There is probably a lot of "sugar" molecule present per molecule of EtOH. ETA: Reading that wiki article above, looks like tert-Amyl alcohol might be more effective at binding to the carrier sugar than ethanol, so this stuff might use that. It has more potent inebriation effects so it seems compared to ethanol. This makes me depressed. Back in High school when I took AP Biology and Chemistry, I read a lot about sugars and I jokingly asked my teacher if it was possible to do such a thing as storing inebriating alcohols in that pocket and get them into powdered form and make powdered alcohols. He was a moron and didn't know much of anything about chemistry or biology and told me he didn't know, so I didn't think anything of it past that. 
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Posted: 4/22/2014 7:29:36 PM EDT
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The dream was sure short lived.
"Powdered alcohol approval was an error" http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/21/newser-powdered-alcohol/7960361/ |
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