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Posted: 10/27/2012 3:36:37 PM EDT
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The Sunday talk shows should be interesting tomorrow. Who will Obama trot out this time. Certainly not Susan Rice. Yep. If they stick to their story, then they might have some reason to think that they'll get away with it. If they start throwing Romney into it, then they are busted. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 3:36:47 PM EDT
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All this drama is "not optimal" .
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Posted: 10/27/2012 3:37:36 PM EDT
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Obama Gallup job approval down 7 points in 3 days.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-obamas-job-approval-drops-7-points-3-days Ooops. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 3:40:42 PM EDT
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Ham needs to turn this into the October surprise right now
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Posted: 10/27/2012 3:49:00 PM EDT
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http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/37144547/Interesting-Rumor-Concerning-General-Carter-Ham-and-Stand-Down-Order.aspx Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:45 p.m.)
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below. quote: –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– "(The) basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on; without having some real-time information about what's taking place," Panetta told Pentagon reporters. "And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation." –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready. General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command. The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham's place as the head of Africon. I found this story when I got home after hearing this story. quote: –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– President Barack Obama will nominate Army Gen. David Rodriguez to succeed Gen. Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command and Marine Lt. Gen. John Paxton to succeed Gen. Joseph Dunford as assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced Thursday. –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– General Rodigues Nominated as Head of Africon As I was typing this I heard John Bolton on Greta say that there are conflicting reports of General Ham's comments on this tragedy and why a rapid response unit was not deployed. Bolton says someone needs to find out what Ham was saying on 9/11/12. Interesting to say the least. Whoa if true this will destroy the Obama admin *if* the general fight it. This would be a good place for Sen McCain or Grhamn to step in. Graham is generaly too liberal and likely gay but he will break it off in Obama in this issue if given the chance. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 3:53:39 PM EDT
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http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/37144547/Interesting-Rumor-Concerning-General-Carter-Ham-and-Stand-Down-Order.aspx Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:45 p.m.)
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below. quote: –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– "(The) basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on; without having some real-time information about what's taking place," Panetta told Pentagon reporters. "And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation." –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready. General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command. The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham's place as the head of Africon. I found this story when I got home after hearing this story. quote: –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– President Barack Obama will nominate Army Gen. David Rodriguez to succeed Gen. Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command and Marine Lt. Gen. John Paxton to succeed Gen. Joseph Dunford as assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced Thursday. –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– General Rodigues Nominated as Head of Africon As I was typing this I heard John Bolton on Greta say that there are conflicting reports of General Ham's comments on this tragedy and why a rapid response unit was not deployed. Bolton says someone needs to find out what Ham was saying on 9/11/12. Interesting to say the least. Whoa if true this will destroy the Obama admin *if* the general fight it. This would be a good place for Sen McCain or Grhamn to step in. Graham is generaly too liberal and likely gay but he will break it off in Obama in this issue if given the chance. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 4:20:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2012 4:23:20 PM EDT
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I thought it read ARFCOMS top general. Don't be silly people! It will be a cold day in Hell before anybody relieves Ed Sr!!!!!!  shit they are on to us.... Bravo team abort.. i said abort damn it!!! |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 4:24:59 PM EDT
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General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command. Thirty seconds to a minute sounds fishy to me. I'm sorry but this reeks of internet lore, rumor, innuendo, and speculation. I'm not buying it especially coming from an unnamed source that's connected. I could be wrong and if I am my opinion will change but right now I'm calling bullshit. [/quote] Yea, 1 minute to relieve your commander? On who's orders, nothing happens in a minute. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 4:33:51 PM EDT
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A lot of you guys are making jokes, but this situation is turning into the biggest scandal and criminal act of a president in the history of the country.
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Posted: 10/27/2012 4:40:44 PM EDT
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A lot of you guys are making jokes, but this situation is turning into the biggest scandal and criminal act of a president in the history of the country. We've got 3 threads running on the whole situation. Makes it tough to keep up with what has been posted. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 4:41:27 PM EDT
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wtf is going on in my country
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Posted: 10/27/2012 4:45:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command. Thirty seconds to a minute sounds fishy to me. I'm sorry but this reeks of internet lore, rumor, innuendo, and speculation. I'm not buying it especially coming from an unnamed source that's connected. I could be wrong and if I am my opinion will change but right now I'm calling bullshit. Yea, 1 minute to relieve your commander? On who's orders, nothing happens in a minute.[/quote] bullshit...one phone call and you are relieved. Trust me. It is easy. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 5:18:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command. Thirty seconds to a minute sounds fishy to me. I'm sorry but this reeks of internet lore, rumor, innuendo, and speculation. I'm not buying it especially coming from an unnamed source that's connected. I could be wrong and if I am my opinion will change but right now I'm calling bullshit. Yea, 1 minute to relieve your commander? On who's orders, nothing happens in a minute. bullshit...one phone call and you are relieved. Trust me. It is easy. [/quote] cant a CO be relieved without a "phone call" if the situation permitted it? |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 5:21:36 PM EDT
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General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command. Thirty seconds to a minute sounds fishy to me. I'm sorry but this reeks of internet lore, rumor, innuendo, and speculation. I'm not buying it especially coming from an unnamed source that's connected. I could be wrong and if I am my opinion will change but right now I'm calling bullshit. Yea, 1 minute to relieve your commander? On who's orders, nothing happens in a minute. bullshit...one phone call and you are relieved. Trust me. It is easy. cant a CO be relieved without a "phone call" if the situation permitted it? [/quote] yes, in theory. Generally there is some build up, however. In this case, I can't see it happening that quickly. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 5:30:06 PM EDT
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A lot of you guys are making jokes, but this situation is turning into the biggest scandal and criminal act of a president in the history of the country. Considering this, amongst other things, a bit of gallows humour is not unfounded. It's a defense mechanism that nature/god gave us. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 5:32:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: All this drama is "not optimal" . ouch. groan. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 5:51:10 PM EDT
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A lot of you guys are making jokes, but this situation is turning into the biggest scandal and criminal act of a president in the history of the country. Yeah, and not a fuck will be given on November 7. That's how important it is. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 5:52:31 PM EDT
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I thought it read ARFCOMS top general.  Ditto. I thought maybe Ed Sr. had fired Aimless or something. 
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Posted: 10/27/2012 6:14:56 PM EDT
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Interesting. My CSM just got orders for there.
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Posted: 10/27/2012 6:19:02 PM EDT
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Rumor is that I am taking over.
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Posted: 10/27/2012 6:19:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: Wait I thought you were Arfcom's dictator? Quoted: I thought it read ARFCOMS top general. As you were. I'll be in the area all day. Carry on!  |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 6:21:40 PM EDT
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I thought it read ARFCOMS top general. As you were. I'll be in the area all day. Carry on!
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Posted: 10/27/2012 6:28:44 PM EDT
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A lot of you guys are making jokes, but this situation is turning into the biggest scandal and criminal act of a president in the history of the country. Yeah, and not a fuck will be given on November 7. That's how important it is. those of us pissed off are already working to remove the traitor in chief. to anyone else it won't matter if they even ever hear about it. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 6:31:13 PM EDT
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I thought it read ARFCOMS top general. As you were. I'll be in the area all day. Carry on!
He gives it up when the crisis is resolved and goes back to farming. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 6:33:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I thought it read ARFCOMS top general. Don't be silly people! It will be a cold day in Hell before anybody relieves Ed Sr!!!!!! shit they are on to us.... Bravo team abort.. i said abort damn it!!! Damnit! I already had Mom pack my clean underwear and started baking the Chocolate Chip Cookies. Ed |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 6:34:48 PM EDT
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A lot of you guys are making jokes, but this situation is turning into the biggest scandal and criminal act of a president in the history of the country. Yeah, and not a fuck will be given on November 7. That's how important it is. those of us pissed off are already working to remove the traitor in chief. to anyone else it won't matter if they even ever hear about it. I'm willing to bet that, if Romney wins, "those of us" won't give a rats ass about this story. Which is, as I read your post, what you're saying.correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 6:42:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: wtf is going on in my country we have a communist as president and one of Jeff Dunham's puppets as VP |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 6:50:11 PM EDT
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A lot of you guys are making jokes, but this situation is turning into the biggest scandal and criminal act of a president in the history of the country. Yeah, and not a fuck will be given on November 7. That's how important it is. those of us pissed off are already working to remove the traitor in chief. to anyone else it won't matter if they even ever hear about it. I'm willing to bet that, if Romney wins, "those of us" won't give a rats ass about this story. Which is, as I read your post, what you're saying.correct me if I'm wrong. no i will continue to be outraged, but that will change nothing. if romney loses this is just another example of how big a POS obama is. either way in the grand scheme of things it changes nothing. the press won't report it, and people are still dead. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 6:57:59 PM EDT
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This is the worst/largest government scandal I've ever seen, it's even worse than F&F (which was downright evil) and it's happening right at election time. And the scandal is directly attributable to the unbelievably bad judgement and amateurishness of the President. If he gets re-elected we are doomed. And most of the media are doing everything they can to ignore it and cover for him. History will not be kind to Obama and his minions. This will be his legacy. Betrayal, abandonment, and death of Americans at the hands of savages that he's groveling to. Obama's presidency is the biggest inside job aimed at destroying American power and influence seen yet. It makes perfect sense for those of you who watched 2016: Obama's America. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 7:00:37 PM EDT
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This is the worst/largest government scandal I've ever seen, it's even worse than F&F (which was downright evil) and it's happening right at election time. And the scandal is directly attributable to the unbelievably bad judgement and amateurishness of the President. If he gets re-elected we are doomed. And most of the media are doing everything they can to ignore it and cover for him. History will not be kind to Obama and his minions. This will be his legacy. Betrayal, abandonment, and death of Americans at the hands of savages that he's groveling to. Obama's presidency is the biggest inside job aimed at destroying American power and influence seen yet. It makes perfect sense for those of you who watched 2016: Obama's America. This! |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 7:37:21 PM EDT
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http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/37144547/Interesting-Rumor-Concerning-General-Carter-Ham-and-Stand-Down-Order.aspx snip//
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Posted: 10/27/2012 7:52:14 PM EDT
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Maybe not a general. but a navy admiral has been relieved: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/27/navy-replaces-admiral-leading-mideast-strike-group/?test=latestnews Wow. "inappropriate judgement"? What would that encompass? Lots of points surfacing on this event. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 9:14:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Thirty seconds to a minute sounds fishy to me. I'm sorry but this reeks of internet lore, rumor, innuendo, and speculation. I'm not buying it especially coming from an unnamed source that's connected. I could be wrong and if I am my opinion will change but right now I'm calling bullshit. Yea, 1 minute to relieve your commander? On who's orders, nothing happens in a minute. bullshit...one phone call and you are relieved. Trust me. It is easy. yes, in theory. Generally there is some build up, however. In this case, I can't see it happening that quickly. Maybe it is just hyperbole. If there is even a kernel of truth to Ham being relieved due to what occurred of 9/11, that kernel and all the other information coalesce to imply some very disturbing things about the administration. I'm not entirely sure I can continue to believe that this is just unintentionally malfeasant, incompetent, and myopic decision making. The only thing that slows me from calling it treason is that I just can't see the motive for these actions being intentional. If Obama gets another 4 years after this, we are going to be in for some really hairy shit. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 9:22:25 PM EDT
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General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command. Thirty seconds to a minute sounds fishy to me. I'm sorry but this reeks of internet lore, rumor, innuendo, and speculation. I'm not buying it especially coming from an unnamed source that's connected. I could be wrong and if I am my opinion will change but right now I'm calling bullshit. Yea, 1 minute to relieve your commander? On who's orders, nothing happens in a minute. bullshit...one phone call and you are relieved. Trust me. It is easy. cant a CO be relieved without a "phone call" if the situation permitted it? yes, in theory. Generally there is some build up, however. In this case, I can't see it happening that quickly.[/quote] I can. Possible Scenario: Gen Ham: Sir, based on the emails we have received I have teams ready to go. Unknown Authority: Gen. Ham, stand down your troops. You are not authorized to send military forces. Gen Ham: Screw that, Sir. Those are our people. We can save them. I'm sending our troops in to get them. UA: You'll regret this. *click* *ring ring* Duty NCO: Hello? UA: Give me the second in command. XO: What can I do for you, Sir? UA: Relieve Gen Ham and stand down the teams on alert. Total time: 1:30. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 9:32:45 PM EDT
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Any corroboration of this rumor?
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Posted: 10/27/2012 9:40:42 PM EDT
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Any corroboration of this rumor? Didn't happen. They weren't anywhere near Libya on 9/11. The Stennis group deployed from Bremerton in late August and had entered the Navy 5th Fleet's area of operations in the Middle East on Oct. 17 after sailing across the Pacific.
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Posted: 10/27/2012 11:00:31 PM EDT
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Quoted: A lot of you guys are making jokes, but this situation is turning into the biggest scandal and criminal act of a president in the history of the country. If it was a Republican But nothing this insane would happen or even occur to a Republican to do.
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Posted: 10/28/2012 2:55:36 AM EDT
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I thought it read ARFCOMS top general. As you were. I'll be in the area all day. Carry on!
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Posted: 10/28/2012 4:06:58 AM EDT
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Thirty seconds to a minute sounds fishy to me. I'm sorry but this reeks of internet lore, rumor, innuendo, and speculation. I'm not buying it especially coming from an unnamed source that's connected. I could be wrong and if I am my opinion will change but right now I'm calling bullshit. Yea, 1 minute to relieve your commander? On who's orders, nothing happens in a minute. bullshit...one phone call and you are relieved. Trust me. It is easy. yes, in theory. Generally there is some build up, however. In this case, I can't see it happening that quickly. Maybe it is just hyperbole. If there is even a kernel of truth to Ham being relieved due to what occurred of 9/11, that kernel and all the other information coalesce to imply some very disturbing things about the administration. I'm not entirely sure I can continue to believe that this is just unintentionally malfeasant, incompetent, and myopic decision making. The only thing that slows me from calling it treason is that I just can't see the motive for these actions being intentional. If Obama gets another 4 years after this, we are going to be in for some really hairy shit. Watch 2016, it will suddenly make sense. TL;DR - anti-colonial leftist, brainwashed as a useful idiot, sees America as the primary source of evil and is tearing down every edifice that allowed us to get where we are so as to undermine our ability to inflict our evil on others. Assuming that view is correct, the man honestly thinks destroying us is saving the world, that by implementing his marxist programs he is helping people. There is nothing more dangerous than a committed true believer, especially when he is as wrong and misguided as only a leftist can be. |
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Posted: 10/28/2012 4:13:58 AM EDT
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IMHO,I am beginning to wonder that Christopher Stevens was sacrificed. Did he know something that the Obama Administration did not want to get out
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Posted: 10/28/2012 4:22:05 AM EDT
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I'm hoping he starts talking. If he values his career he won't. |
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Posted: 10/28/2012 4:26:28 AM EDT
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Nothing to see here.
Just go vote for the common man and the middle class hero Obama. He will give you I phone I hear. |
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Posted: 10/28/2012 4:35:59 AM EDT
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I'm hoping he starts talking. If he values his career he won't. His career is over. The subtle meaning behind this is that its his fault. (The deaths) They wont SAY that but every window licker in the country will hear the MSM say , 4 Americans died and this guy got relieved= It was his fault. The only way he can save his "career" is to spill the beans. I doubt he will. |
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Posted: 10/28/2012 4:42:39 AM EDT
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I'm hoping he starts talking. If he values his career he won't. If his Wiki is to be believed, Ham had PTSD, so any testimony would have that highlighted. I think he was in Nevada a day or so prior, although physical location on that day is not known. Nothing I have found says anything about future assignments. May be as simple as if you want to retire as a **** instead of ***, or be brought up on insubordination (if the rumors about him wanting to go ahead anyway have any credence - and it is the Interweb). Could have been something along the lines of 'we are ready to respond' and told 'do nothing until the JAG review and committee of lawyers (Leon - '63 Santa Clara University School of Law, Hillary - J.D. Yale Law, '73 and Barry - J.D. Harvard '91) have determined a legal action, and Ham said WTF? we're going and got the hook. The investigation of the lavish spending of his AFRICOM predecessor is interesting - has run 17 months and still pending with Panetta (a disposition no doubt coming after the elections) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_E._Ward Do these things always take that long? Curious. |
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Posted: 10/28/2012 4:44:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2012 4:54:23 AM EDT
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I can't see these two weasles (McCain, Grahamm) lifting a finger to do anything. This thread is not about them, it's about your hero in the White House. Not voting for 0bama. Am voting for Romney. Donk's right, though, especially about Graham. |
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Posted: 10/28/2012 4:58:26 AM EDT
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I thought it read ARFCOMS top general. I read the whole thing and finished asking myself: "so is this guy a member here" ? |
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Posted: 10/28/2012 5:37:17 AM EDT
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He hasn't even been in command 2 years yet. He is being relieved. The only real question is why. For comparison, Kip Ward had 3 1/2 years in command. 3 years for a cocom is fairly standard (curious what the actual average is for geo-COCOMs.) Good question. I looked at the UCC histories, threw it all into Excel and here are the averages (USSOUTHCOM data was not readily available, acting commanders with short terms, i.e. a few days or month or so were not included, and current commanders were also not included as their terms are not complete) Here's what I came up with for averages: EUCOM - 4.082 years AFRICOM - 3.436 years USSOCOM - 3.025 years USPACOM - 3.006 years USSTRATCOM - 2.714 years USTRANSCOM - 2.667 years CENTCOM - 2.477 years USNORTHCOM - 2.197 years USSOUTHCOM When I take the average of all the commanders, I come up with 3.0305 years, so Sylvan's guess was pretty close
Depending on when Rodriguez assumes command, Ham will likely be well under the average, having started 3/8/11. I'm guessing a quick confirmation for Rodriguez, and maybe a change-over in February or thereabouts? General Ham's assignments are in the Wiki, haven't seen much (good or bad) from those who worked with/for him. |
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Posted: 10/28/2012 6:21:14 AM EDT
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I'm sure Panetta knows much more about deploying combat troops than Ham.
What he meant was,'we had an illegal op going down, that we didn't make Ham privy to, it went bad and we need everybody to burn" |
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