This. The terrorists went in to this knowing they were going to die.

 

I remember this as if it was yesterday........

They will be equipped and trained.  Then they will wait for FBI HRT with military advisors to actually show up.

Taking down pot heads with armored vehicles is more the local PD's style.

Yep. Hence the 'too bad its not accurate'.

I concur



 

Nice thought but how do we accomplish this?
They are spread out all over the world hiding in plain sight.
Our main focus right now is on the main bodies in Iraq and Syria and a few scattered around like Somalia where we just had the drone strike. What about the ones in Everyday, USA? Just profile them and round them up? That aint happening. Unfortunately we wont do a dam thing to stop or prevent something like this from happening until it does. Then we will do something like post NG troops outside every school.

Hell, 1 SRO isn't much defense against a single determined attacker.  Track him down during the morning rush and shoot him first.  I brought that little scenario up after Newtown and was roundly chastised locally.  Arming school staff and visiting parents is the only realistic solution.

I think it's a 100% slam-dunk certainty to happen within the next 5 years.  The current administration (both parties) have zero interest in preventing it because it will be an exploitable crisis.

Keep in mind that there are plenty of Chechens in ISIS's ranks...

Agreed that it could.  Will the PD actually do it?

Will a PD go in after 20 minutes of planning knowing that cops and kids are going to die but its the only good option?

They use SWAT teams to go after granny with a joint while shooting the labradoodle because its such a threat.  I don't think they have the balls, to put it frankly.

I would be completely happy with raising taxes to get this done.

Let's consider a possible Beslan style incident:



A wacko cleric in Minnesota or Michigan convinces 6-12 ( we will consider 30 as unrealistic) young men to not travel to Syria for jihad but to do so in the US. They're young guys with no criminal record so they legally purchase ARs and matriculate into a small college. They spend a year training with their firearms and maybe a couple of them get jobs as TAs or in student services to allow them more time and access to a building they've chosen as their target so they can secret caches in supply rooms,in ceilings etc ( as they did in Beslan).

 When the time comes,they chain the doors and storm a few lecture halls. Both campus cops on duty are ambushed. Within 5 minutes they have 500 hostages,have shot 10 for using their cell phones, have placed IEDs throughout and are wearing SVIEDs.

 What happens?

There is simply next to no chance that such an event could be prevented from becoming a drawn out hostage situation barring a direct assault ASAP with the full and absolute knowledge that many will die in the crossfire or be murdered before the terrorists are eliminated. I am not sure there are many police officials who would be willing to order such a thing regardless of what their active shooter policy says.


The thing is,LE is in a damned if you do situation and help from the HRT/SEAL Team 6/whoever the govt has under this contingency plan is at very best hours away. That is enough time for the terrorists to send videos and murder more hostages so their mission is complete either way if they die in 5 more minutes or 5 more days.

It's scary as hell knowing that it would be much easier than staging a 9/11 hijacking. Ultimately,the best way to deal with this possibility is to have members of the Muslim community willing to inform on such people,though obviously the Tsarnaevs and 2 recent jihadis dead in Syria escaped that detection and Federal law enforcement/intelligence.

In short,not to be negative but if they ever manage to create cells  who want to be shahids rather than lone jihadis and guys committed enough to build a bomb but not wanting to die with it there will be some bad days and there will be little to no way of avoiding it.

Individually I know any number of cops who would be willing to die rescuing children.  Administratively I don't think there are many CLEO's willing to make that call.  

Better (in their mind) to consider all the options and call in the pros.

and by then, of course, its too late.

I am serious when I say a posse.

The only people willing to go in there and die will be the fathers of the kids that are trapped.

Text alert, show up with what you got, distribute arms to those willing to carry them, and go in immediately.

these scum aren't trained to fight, they are trained to kill the defenseless. but they are willing to die.  And there would be more of us then them.

Ought to be a law.

Fuck I hate seeing these pictures.

Islam is a plague upon humanity that needs to be stamped out.

just because someone is willing to rescue children that doesn't mean they are actually capable of such a task? big difference!



 

It was NOT "Chechen Seperatists", it was members of what is now known as "Al Qeada In The Caucuses" (Caucuses Emirate).



Shamil Basayev claimed responsibility for the event, it was a straight up terror attack.



Funny that his wikipedia page doesn't show him as the Islamist terrorist that he was (but google images does).

I agree 100%, and our legal system is 100% not prepared to deal with such an event.

Not that it matters when a persons kid is on the line. Or any kids are on the line, for that matter.

IIRC, these weren't Chechens, but instead Ingusetians and South Ossetians ... the Russians hate the Chechens and scapegoat them for all their troubles, ie any immigrants and terrorists are "Chechens."

But yes, of course it could happen again, as long as schools remain "soft targets."

As soon as the scumbags in question get a lid on the situation, it's game over. It would take anywhere from 10-25 minutes for them to set up shop and be in defensive mode, depending upon how big the school is, how effective it is on lockdown, how well it was scouted previously, etc. Once they are able to make the switch from offense to defense, a very bad situation becomes far worse.

Minutes count, and by "minutes," we're literally talking "count the minutes on two hands with fingers left over."

Why the frig do I keep on getting double taps?

Completely agree.  The bad news about less skilled good guys is more casualties all around in the assault but that would still be preferable to waiting days to assault when the good guys are "ready".  Innocents & good guys will die either way but more will die when the bad guys are entrenched.

I think this is one of those instances of going to war with the army you have not the army you want.  It would be nice to have a bunch of M4 equipped cops and civilians who take their use of arms seriously and/or CCW holders & cops who can actually hit a target further than 3 yards away but that's the exception not the rule.