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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:52:03 PM EDT

[#1]

It's a cycle that has repeated itself throughout history, regardless of what type of government Russia has, since they have no natural land borders to insulate themselves from foreign invasion-another cyclic reality of history with them. In their view, it's only a matter of time before another Tatar, Genghis Kahn, Turk, Corsican, or Austrian decides to invade them, so they take necessary preemptive measures and dominate the periphery, remove mass populations of ethnic neighbors, import Russians, rape, pillage, steal, go broke keeping the periphery security apparatus afloat, collapse back to Russia, build wealth, repeat.

We're at the "repeat" stage right now, only Putin is doing the smartest thing they've ever done by attempting to get the peripheral nations to bankroll their own security under Russian control, with a multinational monetary bloc.

Meanwhile, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, and Slovakia have formed their own military alliance because they don't want to play, and they know NATO won't do squat for them. Sweden is saying they will back Estonia and Poland, and Finland isn't quite sure what to do, other than cut defenses because peace is a foregone conclusion...

Posted: 8/9/2012 11:55:56 PM EDT

[#2]

God, if we could keep it conventional. We'd stomp the ever living dogshit out of Russia.

There is the reason the whole Western Civilization has viewed Russia as a cancer to the world.

We we could have given the Georgians a bunch of Javs.

Posted: 8/10/2012 12:17:11 AM EDT

[#3]

Georgian president Saakashvilli vs Putin
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg841/scaled.php?server=841&filename=57a81fbb1ce6.jpg&res=landing

Trying to put your boot on the throat of your neighbors again? I thought that Soviet Union and Stalinism was over?

???
What you talking about? Russian peace-keepers and civilian citizens were hit by Georgian fire. Russia did strike back.
Then the venture of Georgian president failed.

EU report conclusions on the 8.8.8 conflict:

"Georgia is responsible for unleashing the Five-Day War in the Caucasus last August, says an investigative report carried out by the EU.
The report was commissioned by the Council of the European Union. More than 30 European military, history and legal specialists – headed by Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini – compiled the document. The group concluded that it was Georgia who fired the first shot and the opening attack was not justifiable under international law."

"In the opinion of the mission, Georgia provoked the war when it attacked Tskhinvali early on August 8, using heavy artillery," Commission chief Heidi Tagliavini said during the presentation of the report, Interfax news agency reports

"2.) On the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, a sustained Georgian artillery attack struck the
town of Tskhinvali. Other movements of the Georgian armed forces targeting Tskhinvali
and the surrounding areas were under way, and soon the fighting involved Russian, South
Ossetian and Abkhaz military units and armed elements. It did not take long, however,
before the Georgian advance into South Ossetia was stopped. In a counter-movement,
Russian armed forces, covered by air strikes and by elements of its Black Sea fleet,
penetrated deep into Georgia, cutting across the country’s main east-west road, reaching
the port of Poti and stopping short of Georgia’s capital city, Tbilisi."

Source: http://rt.com/files/politics/georgia-started-ossetian-war/iiffmcg-volume-i.pdf
(original EU report)

Posted: 8/10/2012 12:31:56 AM EDT

[#4]

LOL like the EU would do anything to provoke Russia?. The report mentioned above is pure propaganda put out to placate the Russian Bear.

I hope Georgia has rearmed. The new president might assist in that effort.

Posted: 8/10/2012 12:50:36 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:

Georgian president Saakashvilli vs Putin
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg841/scaled.php?server=841&filename=57a81fbb1ce6.jpg&res=landing

Trying to put your boot on the throat of your neighbors again? I thought that Soviet Union and Stalinism was over?

???
What you talking about? Russian peace-keepers and civilian citizens were hit by Georgian fire. Russia did strike back.
Then the venture of Georgian president failed.

EU report conclusions on the 8.8.8 conflict:

"Georgia is responsible for unleashing the Five-Day War in the Caucasus last August, says an investigative report carried out by the EU.
The report was commissioned by the Council of the European Union. More than 30 European military, history and legal specialists – headed by Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini – compiled the document. The group concluded that it was Georgia who fired the first shot and the opening attack was not justifiable under international law."

"In the opinion of the mission, Georgia provoked the war when it attacked Tskhinvali early on August 8, using heavy artillery," Commission chief Heidi Tagliavini said during the presentation of the report, Interfax news agency reports

"2.) On the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, a sustained Georgian artillery attack struck the
town of Tskhinvali. Other movements of the Georgian armed forces targeting Tskhinvali
and the surrounding areas were under way, and soon the fighting involved Russian, South
Ossetian and Abkhaz military units and armed elements. It did not take long, however,
before the Georgian advance into South Ossetia was stopped. In a counter-movement,
Russian armed forces, covered by air strikes and by elements of its Black Sea fleet,
penetrated deep into Georgia, cutting across the country’s main east-west road, reaching
the port of Poti and stopping short of Georgia’s capital city, Tbilisi."

Source: http://rt.com/files/politics/georgia-started-ossetian-war/iiffmcg-volume-i.pdf
(original EU report)

What I've read seems to indicate that Russia instigated the whole thing based on policies going back several years. And the whole "Russian civilians" thing is rather contrived. The Russians knew what they were doing when they gave every Georgian national who was an Ossetian who wanted one a passport.

Posted: 8/10/2012 1:26:31 AM EDT

[#6]

War trophies

Modern Russian equipment used in Georgia.

"Tiger" armored vehicle:

Su-34 (ECW and anti-radar strikes). First combat experience.

Posted: 8/10/2012 1:33:05 AM EDT

[#7]

LOL at our resident russia trolls.

Posted: 8/10/2012 1:59:07 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

Georgian president Saakashvilli vs Putin
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg841/scaled.php?server=841&filename=57a81fbb1ce6.jpg&res=landing

Trying to put your boot on the throat of your neighbors again? I thought that Soviet Union and Stalinism was over?

???
What you talking about? Russian peace-keepers and civilian citizens were hit by Georgian fire. Russia did strike back.
Then the venture of Georgian president failed.

EU report conclusions on the 8.8.8 conflict:

"Georgia is responsible for unleashing the Five-Day War in the Caucasus last August, says an investigative report carried out by the EU.
The report was commissioned by the Council of the European Union. More than 30 European military, history and legal specialists – headed by Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini – compiled the document. The group concluded that it was Georgia who fired the first shot and the opening attack was not justifiable under international law."

"In the opinion of the mission, Georgia provoked the war when it attacked Tskhinvali early on August 8, using heavy artillery," Commission chief Heidi Tagliavini said during the presentation of the report, Interfax news agency reports

"2.) On the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, a sustained Georgian artillery attack struck the
town of Tskhinvali. Other movements of the Georgian armed forces targeting Tskhinvali
and the surrounding areas were under way, and soon the fighting involved Russian, South
Ossetian and Abkhaz military units and armed elements. It did not take long, however,
before the Georgian advance into South Ossetia was stopped. In a counter-movement,
Russian armed forces, covered by air strikes and by elements of its Black Sea fleet,
penetrated deep into Georgia, cutting across the country’s main east-west road, reaching
the port of Poti and stopping short of Georgia’s capital city, Tbilisi."

Source: http://rt.com/files/politics/georgia-started-ossetian-war/iiffmcg-volume-i.pdf
(original EU report)

What I've read seems to indicate that Russia instigated the whole thing based on policies going back several years. And the whole "Russian civilians" thing is rather contrived. The Russians knew what they were doing when they gave every Georgian national who was an Ossetian who wanted one a passport.

"Here, take these crates of munitions and attack the Georgians. Take these passports too!" <five seconds later> "The Georgians are shooting at Russian citizens? WAR!!!!!".

Posted: 8/10/2012 2:07:54 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:

Georgian president Saakashvilli vs Putin
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg841/scaled.php?server=841&filename=57a81fbb1ce6.jpg&res=landing

Trying to put your boot on the throat of your neighbors again? I thought that Soviet Union and Stalinism was over?

???
What you talking about? Russian peace-keepers and civilian citizens were hit by Georgian fire. Russia did strike back.
Then the venture of Georgian president failed.

EU report conclusions on the 8.8.8 conflict:

"Georgia is responsible for unleashing the Five-Day War in the Caucasus last August, says an investigative report carried out by the EU.
The report was commissioned by the Council of the European Union. More than 30 European military, history and legal specialists – headed by Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini – compiled the document. The group concluded that it was Georgia who fired the first shot and the opening attack was not justifiable under international law."

"In the opinion of the mission, Georgia provoked the war when it attacked Tskhinvali early on August 8, using heavy artillery," Commission chief Heidi Tagliavini said during the presentation of the report, Interfax news agency reports

"2.) On the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, a sustained Georgian artillery attack struck the
town of Tskhinvali. Other movements of the Georgian armed forces targeting Tskhinvali
and the surrounding areas were under way, and soon the fighting involved Russian, South
Ossetian and Abkhaz military units and armed elements. It did not take long, however,
before the Georgian advance into South Ossetia was stopped. In a counter-movement,
Russian armed forces, covered by air strikes and by elements of its Black Sea fleet,
penetrated deep into Georgia, cutting across the country’s main east-west road, reaching
the port of Poti and stopping short of Georgia’s capital city, Tbilisi."

Source: http://rt.com/files/politics/georgia-started-ossetian-war/iiffmcg-volume-i.pdf
(original EU report)

What I've read seems to indicate that Russia instigated the whole thing based on policies going back several years. And the whole "Russian civilians" thing is rather contrived. The Russians knew what they were doing when they gave every Georgian national who was an Ossetian who wanted one a passport.

"Here, take these crates of munitions and attack the Georgians. Take these passports too!" <five seconds later> "The Georgians are shooting at Russian citizens? WAR!!!!!".

But the first munition exploded was a Georgian one.

Posted: 8/10/2012 2:17:25 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
God, if we could keep it conventional. We'd stomp the ever living dogshit out of Russia.

Maybe in your dreams.
In fact, you can't sustain war against the another superpower.

There is the reason the whole Western Civilization has viewed Russia as a cancer to the world.

Ohh.. ohh.
So called Western Civilization is being afraid of competition with Russia. Western Civilization envies Russia's resources and potential.

We we could have given the Georgians a bunch of Javs.

Javs = javellins ?
You might think it's game changer? ROFL.

Posted: 8/10/2012 2:21:28 AM EDT

[#11]

Well this just got interesting.

Posted: 8/10/2012 2:35:40 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
i remember when it happened i was living in Florida and i was scared i would be next.

+1

Posted: 8/10/2012 2:36:21 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
Well this just got interesting.

He was a troll on a military site I once patroned. I wouldn't expect much any true debate... just propoganda.

Posted: 8/10/2012 2:38:49 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
God, if we could keep it conventional. We'd stomp the ever living dogshit out of Russia.

Maybe in your dreams.
In fact, you can't sustain war against the another superpower.

There is the reason the whole Western Civilization has viewed Russia as a cancer to the world.

Ohh.. ohh.
So called Western Civilization is being afraid of competition with Russia. Western Civilization envies Russia's resources and potential.

We we could have given the Georgians a bunch of Javs.

Javs = javellins ?
You might think it's game changer? ROFL.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

oh, you're serious?

Posted: 8/10/2012 2:45:35 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
God, if we could keep it conventional. We'd stomp the ever living dogshit out of Russia.

Maybe in your dreams.
In fact, you can't sustain war against the another superpower.

There is the reason the whole Western Civilization has viewed Russia as a cancer to the world.

Ohh.. ohh.
So called Western Civilization is being afraid of competition with Russia. Western Civilization envies Russia's resources and potential.

We we could have given the Georgians a bunch of Javs.

Javs = javellins ?
You might think it's game changer? ROFL.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

oh, you're serious?

Yes.
Western Civilization have a too very little dick against Russia.

more pics

S.Ossetian militia:

Posted: 8/10/2012 3:10:40 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
God, if we could keep it conventional. We'd stomp the ever living dogshit out of Russia.

Maybe in your dreams.
In fact, you can't sustain war against the another superpower.

There is the reason the whole Western Civilization has viewed Russia as a cancer to the world.

Ohh.. ohh.
So called Western Civilization is being afraid of competition with Russia. Western Civilization envies Russia's resources and potential.

We we could have given the Georgians a bunch of Javs.

Javs = javellins ?
You might think it's game changer? ROFL.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

oh, you're serious?

Yes.
Western Civilization have a too very little dick against Russia.

more pics

S.Ossetian militia:

http://www.n24.de/media/import/dpainfoline/dpainfoline_20080813_12/jpeg-2ew2849-20080813-img_18610716originallarge-4-3-800-53-0-3169-2336.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06Oc5nz5kzh1a/610x.jpg

http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/001432/1432306.jpg

Posted: 8/10/2012 3:13:50 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
God, if we could keep it conventional. We'd stomp the ever living dogshit out of Russia.

Maybe in your dreams.
In fact, you can't sustain war against the another superpower.

There is the reason the whole Western Civilization has viewed Russia as a cancer to the world.

Ohh.. ohh.
So called Western Civilization is being afraid of competition with Russia. Western Civilization envies Russia's resources and potential.

We we could have given the Georgians a bunch of Javs.

Javs = javellins ?
You might think it's game changer? ROFL.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

oh, you're serious?

Yes.
Western Civilization have a too very little dick against Russia.

more pics

S.Ossetian militia:

http://www.n24.de/media/import/dpainfoline/dpainfoline_20080813_12/jpeg-2ew2849-20080813-img_18610716originallarge-4-3-800-53-0-3169-2336.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06Oc5nz5kzh1a/610x.jpg

http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/001432/1432306.jpg

That was the entire population of Ossetia, and it is just coincidence that two of them grew up in Moscow.

Posted: 8/10/2012 3:22:13 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
God, if we could keep it conventional. We'd stomp the ever living dogshit out of Russia.

Maybe in your dreams.
In fact, you can't sustain war against the another superpower.

There is the reason the whole Western Civilization has viewed Russia as a cancer to the world.

Ohh.. ohh.
So called Western Civilization is being afraid of competition with Russia. Western Civilization envies Russia's resources and potential.

We we could have given the Georgians a bunch of Javs.

Javs = javellins ?
You might think it's game changer? ROFL.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

oh, you're serious?

Yes.
Western Civilization have a too very little dick against Russia.

more pics

S.Ossetian militia:

http://www.n24.de/media/import/dpainfoline/dpainfoline_20080813_12/jpeg-2ew2849-20080813-img_18610716originallarge-4-3-800-53-0-3169-2336.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06Oc5nz5kzh1a/610x.jpg

http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/001432/1432306.jpg

That was the entire population of Ossetia, and it is just coincidence that two of them grew up in Moscow.

Hmmm... I bet those guys are local citizens.

Georgians are being seen by South Ossetians as mortal enemies because Georgians did a lot of war crimes against the S.Ossetians in 1991.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991–1992_South_Ossetia_War

According to Human Rights Watch, during the war Georgian paramilitary groups committed acts of violence against Ossetian civilians within South Ossetia that were motivated by the desire to expel Ossetians and reclaim villages for Georgia, and by sheer revenge against the Ossetian people.[4] Between 60 and 100 villages were burned down, destroyed by Georgian forces or otherwise abandoned. Several villages were ethnically cleansed by Georgian forces. On the other side, Georgians living in Ossetian controlled territory were "easy targets": Houses occupied by Georgians were singled out, looted and burned down.[4]

Posted: 8/10/2012 3:43:00 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
God, if we could keep it conventional. We'd stomp the ever living dogshit out of Russia.

Maybe in your dreams.
In fact, you can't sustain war against the another superpower.

There is the reason the whole Western Civilization has viewed Russia as a cancer to the world.

Ohh.. ohh.
So called Western Civilization is being afraid of competition with Russia. Western Civilization envies Russia's resources and potential.

We we could have given the Georgians a bunch of Javs.

Javs = javellins ?
You might think it's game changer? ROFL.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

oh, you're serious?

Yes.
Western Civilization have a too very little dick against Russia.

more pics

S.Ossetian militia:

http://www.n24.de/media/import/dpainfoline/dpainfoline_20080813_12/jpeg-2ew2849-20080813-img_18610716originallarge-4-3-800-53-0-3169-2336.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06Oc5nz5kzh1a/610x.jpg

http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/001432/1432306.jpg

That was the entire population of Ossetia, and it is just coincidence that two of them grew up in Moscow.

Hmmm... I bet those guys are local citizens.

Georgians are being seen by South Ossetians as mortal enemies because Georgians did a lot of war crimes against the S.Ossetians in 1991.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991–1992_South_Ossetia_War

According to Human Rights Watch, during the war Georgian paramilitary groups committed acts of violence against Ossetian civilians within South Ossetia that were motivated by the desire to expel Ossetians and reclaim villages for Georgia, and by sheer revenge against the Ossetian people.[4] Between 60 and 100 villages were burned down, destroyed by Georgian forces or otherwise abandoned. Several villages were ethnically cleansed by Georgian forces. On the other side, Georgians living in Ossetian controlled territory were "easy targets": Houses occupied by Georgians were singled out, looted and burned down.[4]

Yet, let me guess - Kosovo is an illegitimate country and should have been crushed? Propaganda is best when it is accurate - but not telling the whole story. Pull your head out of your ass.

What's said is your own country ceases to exist as in independent state. You have Stockholm syndrome to a frightening degree. You have a hard on for all Kremlin propaganda, when all you are to them is a buffer against the boogie man.

Posted: 8/10/2012 3:43:23 AM EDT

[#20]

Looks like you didn't get the inter-office memo...Putin now admits he was planning on aggression against Georgia two years before the invasion.

Not that this is a surprise to anyone paying attention.

Posted: 8/10/2012 3:45:34 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:

Looks like you didn't get the inter-office memo...Putin now admits he was planning on aggression against Georgia two years before the invasion.

Not that this is a surprise to anyone paying attention.

I doubt even the Russians trust Belorussia for secure communications. They'll send him the latest IO message themes via courier.

Posted: 8/10/2012 3:53:24 AM EDT

[#22]

Here's a picture of therusskibear:

Posted: 8/10/2012 4:58:46 AM EDT

[#23]

Posted: 8/10/2012 5:03:01 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
http://i45.tinypic.com/25fu6o6.jpg

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Posted: 8/10/2012 5:55:08 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Here's a picture of therusskibear:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Alex_Lukashenko_.jpeg

Gotta give that man credit - that's a mustache even a Turk or Mexican could be proud of.

Posted: 8/10/2012 5:57:25 AM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Here's a picture of therusskibear:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Alex_Lukashenko_.jpeg

Gotta give that man credit - that's a mustache even a Turk or Mexican could be proud of.

Hell yeah.

When I try to grow a mustache, people tell me I look like a gay Mexican.

Posted: 8/10/2012 8:35:56 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:

Georgian president Saakashvilli vs Putin
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg841/scaled.php?server=841&filename=57a81fbb1ce6.jpg&res=landing

Trying to put your boot on the throat of your neighbors again? I thought that Soviet Union and Stalinism was over?

???
What you talking about? Russian peace-keepers and civilian citizens were hit by Georgian fire. Russia did strike back.
Then the venture of Georgian president failed.

EU report conclusions on the 8.8.8 conflict:

"Georgia is responsible for unleashing the Five-Day War in the Caucasus last August, says an investigative report carried out by the EU.
The report was commissioned by the Council of the European Union. More than 30 European military, history and legal specialists – headed by Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini – compiled the document. The group concluded that it was Georgia who fired the first shot and the opening attack was not justifiable under international law."

"In the opinion of the mission, Georgia provoked the war when it attacked Tskhinvali early on August 8, using heavy artillery," Commission chief Heidi Tagliavini said during the presentation of the report, Interfax news agency reports

"2.) On the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, a sustained Georgian artillery attack struck the
town of Tskhinvali. Other movements of the Georgian armed forces targeting Tskhinvali
and the surrounding areas were under way, and soon the fighting involved Russian, South
Ossetian and Abkhaz military units and armed elements. It did not take long, however,
before the Georgian advance into South Ossetia was stopped. In a counter-movement,
Russian armed forces, covered by air strikes and by elements of its Black Sea fleet,
penetrated deep into Georgia, cutting across the country’s main east-west road, reaching
the port of Poti and stopping short of Georgia’s capital city, Tbilisi."

Source: http://rt.com/files/politics/georgia-started-ossetian-war/iiffmcg-volume-i.pdf
(original EU report)

What I've read seems to indicate that Russia instigated the whole thing based on policies going back several years. And the whole "Russian civilians" thing is rather contrived. The Russians knew what they were doing when they gave every Georgian national who was an Ossetian who wanted one a passport.

"Here, take these crates of munitions and attack the Georgians. Take these passports too!" <five seconds later> "The Georgians are shooting at Russian citizens? WAR!!!!!".

But the first munition exploded was a Georgian one.

It was the Ossetians with Russian backing who shot first.

Posted: 8/10/2012 8:58:37 PM EDT

[#28]

[Russian accent]T-90. Greatest battle tank in all of world. We have DOZENS of them![/Russian accent]

Posted: 8/11/2012 6:15:43 AM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Looks like you didn't get the inter-office memo...Putin now admits he was planning on aggression against Georgia two years before the invasion.

Not that this is a surprise to anyone paying attention.

Follow-up comment from Vlad:

ETA: Georgia was Putin's way of saying that "Because I fucking can, that's why" is justification enough for Russian action in the near abroad.

I think it's interesting to draw a line from Gorbachev sending troops into Baku to the Chechen wars to Georgia.

Posted: 8/11/2012 6:21:03 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:

Georgian president Saakashvilli vs Putin
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg841/scaled.php?server=841&filename=57a81fbb1ce6.jpg&res=landing

Trying to put your boot on the throat of your neighbors again? I thought that Soviet Union and Stalinism was over?

???
What you talking about? Russian peace-keepers and civilian citizens were hit by Georgian fire. Russia did strike back.
Then the venture of Georgian president failed.

EU report conclusions on the 8.8.8 conflict:

"Georgia is responsible for unleashing the Five-Day War in the Caucasus last August, says an investigative report carried out by the EU.
The report was commissioned by the Council of the European Union. More than 30 European military, history and legal specialists – headed by Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini – compiled the document. The group concluded that it was Georgia who fired the first shot and the opening attack was not justifiable under international law."

"In the opinion of the mission, Georgia provoked the war when it attacked Tskhinvali early on August 8, using heavy artillery," Commission chief Heidi Tagliavini said during the presentation of the report, Interfax news agency reports

"2.) On the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, a sustained Georgian artillery attack struck the
town of Tskhinvali. Other movements of the Georgian armed forces targeting Tskhinvali
and the surrounding areas were under way, and soon the fighting involved Russian, South
Ossetian and Abkhaz military units and armed elements. It did not take long, however,
before the Georgian advance into South Ossetia was stopped. In a counter-movement,
Russian armed forces, covered by air strikes and by elements of its Black Sea fleet,
penetrated deep into Georgia, cutting across the country’s main east-west road, reaching
the port of Poti and stopping short of Georgia’s capital city, Tbilisi."

Source: http://rt.com/files/politics/georgia-started-ossetian-war/iiffmcg-volume-i.pdf
(original EU report)

What I've read seems to indicate that Russia instigated the whole thing based on policies going back several years. And the whole "Russian civilians" thing is rather contrived. The Russians knew what they were doing when they gave every Georgian national who was an Ossetian who wanted one a passport.

"Here, take these crates of munitions and attack the Georgians. Take these passports too!" <five seconds later> "The Georgians are shooting at Russian citizens? WAR!!!!!".

But the first munition exploded was a Georgian one.

It was the Ossetians with Russian backing who shot first.

"Who shot first" is wholly irrelevant, and only comes up when Russia tries to shape the discussion. Russia was determined to provoke and provoke until fighting started. It was the pretense for the already planned and resourced invasion.

Posted: 8/11/2012 6:25:01 AM EDT

[#31]

Another troll

Posted: 8/11/2012 1:14:14 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Georgian president Saakashvilli vs Putin
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg841/scaled.php?server=841&filename=57a81fbb1ce6.jpg&res=landing

Trying to put your boot on the throat of your neighbors again? I thought that Soviet Union and Stalinism was over?

???
What you talking about? Russian peace-keepers and civilian citizens were hit by Georgian fire. Russia did strike back.
Then the venture of Georgian president failed.

EU report conclusions on the 8.8.8 conflict:

"Georgia is responsible for unleashing the Five-Day War in the Caucasus last August, says an investigative report carried out by the EU.
The report was commissioned by the Council of the European Union. More than 30 European military, history and legal specialists – headed by Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini – compiled the document. The group concluded that it was Georgia who fired the first shot and the opening attack was not justifiable under international law."

"In the opinion of the mission, Georgia provoked the war when it attacked Tskhinvali early on August 8, using heavy artillery," Commission chief Heidi Tagliavini said during the presentation of the report, Interfax news agency reports

"2.) On the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, a sustained Georgian artillery attack struck the
town of Tskhinvali. Other movements of the Georgian armed forces targeting Tskhinvali
and the surrounding areas were under way, and soon the fighting involved Russian, South
Ossetian and Abkhaz military units and armed elements. It did not take long, however,
before the Georgian advance into South Ossetia was stopped. In a counter-movement,
Russian armed forces, covered by air strikes and by elements of its Black Sea fleet,
penetrated deep into Georgia, cutting across the country’s main east-west road, reaching
the port of Poti and stopping short of Georgia’s capital city, Tbilisi."

Source: http://rt.com/files/politics/georgia-started-ossetian-war/iiffmcg-volume-i.pdf
(original EU report)

What I've read seems to indicate that Russia instigated the whole thing based on policies going back several years. And the whole "Russian civilians" thing is rather contrived. The Russians knew what they were doing when they gave every Georgian national who was an Ossetian who wanted one a passport.

"Here, take these crates of munitions and attack the Georgians. Take these passports too!" <five seconds later> "The Georgians are shooting at Russian citizens? WAR!!!!!".

But the first munition exploded was a Georgian one.

It was the Ossetians with Russian backing who shot first.

"Who shot first" is wholly irrelevant, and only comes up when Russia tries to shape the discussion. Russia was determined to provoke and provoke until fighting started. It was the pretense for the already planned and resourced invasion.

Oh, I know about the Russian stuff. I was reading a piece a while back about how Russia sabotaged efforts by the Ossetians and Georgians to come to an understanding and bring S. Ossetia completely back into the fold; afterwards, people such as Russian army officers ended up in high S. Ossetian political offices and no peace was possible after that. Russia has been manipulating this from the very start.

Posted: 8/11/2012 1:47:59 PM EDT

[#33]

LOL

The Russians barely managed to defeat a force that was only a fraction the size of their own. They couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

Russia should stick to producing vodka, prostitutes and suicidal authors. They're the only things they do well.

Posted: 8/11/2012 1:51:32 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

LOL

The Russians barely managed to defeat a force that was only a fraction the size of their own. They couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

Russia should stick to producing vodka, prostitutes and suicidal authors. They're the only things they do well.

Composers. You forgot composers.

Posted: 8/11/2012 1:54:04 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
LOL

The Russians barely managed to defeat a force that was only a fraction the size of their own. They couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

Russia should stick to producing vodka, prostitutes and suicidal authors. They're the only things they do well.

Composers. You forgot composers.

Posted: 8/11/2012 1:57:55 PM EDT

[#36]

Why are they wearing the USMC uniform?

Posted: 8/11/2012 2:00:17 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

LOL

The Russians barely managed to defeat a force that was only a fraction the size of their own. They couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

Russia should stick to producing vodka, prostitutes and suicidal authors. They're the only things they do well.

the dutch make better vodka anyways.

Posted: 8/11/2012 6:15:22 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:

God, if we could keep it conventional. We'd stomp the ever living dogshit out of Russia.

Maybe in your dreams.

In fact, you can't sustain war against the another superpower.

There is the reason the whole Western Civilization has viewed Russia as a cancer to the world.

Ohh.. ohh.

So called Western Civilization is being afraid of competition with Russia. Western Civilization envies Russia's resources and potential.

We we could have given the Georgians a bunch of Javs.

Javs = javellins ?

You might think it's game changer? ROFL.

Yes, There is absolutely nothing in your inventory that will survive a strike from a Javelin.

Posted: 8/11/2012 6:34:31 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:
God, if we could keep it conventional. We'd stomp the ever living dogshit out of Russia.

Maybe in your dreams.
In fact, you can't sustain war against the another superpower.

There is the reason the whole Western Civilization has viewed Russia as a cancer to the world.

Ohh.. ohh.
So called Western Civilization is being afraid of competition with Russia. Western Civilization envies Russia's resources and potential.

We we could have given the Georgians a bunch of Javs.

Javs = javellins ?
You might think it's game changer? ROFL.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

oh, you're serious?

Yes.
Western Civilization have a too very little dick against Russia.

more pics

S.Ossetian militia:

http://www.n24.de/media/import/dpainfoline/dpainfoline_20080813_12/jpeg-2ew2849-20080813-img_18610716originallarge-4-3-800-53-0-3169-2336.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06Oc5nz5kzh1a/610x.jpg

http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/001432/1432306.jpg

That was the entire population of Ossetia, and it is just coincidence that two of them grew up in Moscow.

Hmmm... I bet those guys are local citizens.

Georgians are being seen by South Ossetians as mortal enemies because Georgians did a lot of war crimes against the S.Ossetians in 1991.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991–1992_South_Ossetia_War

According to Human Rights Watch, during the war Georgian paramilitary groups committed acts of violence against Ossetian civilians within South Ossetia that were motivated by the desire to expel Ossetians and reclaim villages for Georgia, and by sheer revenge against the Ossetian people.[4] Between 60 and 100 villages were burned down, destroyed by Georgian forces or otherwise abandoned. Several villages were ethnically cleansed by Georgian forces. On the other side, Georgians living in Ossetian controlled territory were "easy targets": Houses occupied by Georgians were singled out, looted and burned down.[4]

Yet, let me guess - Kosovo is an illegitimate country and should have been crushed? Propaganda is best when it is accurate - but not telling the whole story. Pull your head out of your ass.

What's said is your own country ceases to exist as in independent state. You have Stockholm syndrome to a frightening degree. You have a hard on for all Kremlin propaganda, when all you are to them is a buffer against the boogie man.

I like to refer to it (and some of the Eastern European satellites) as "Russia's speed bump"

. Belarus especially.

Posted: 8/11/2012 6:37:43 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Here's a picture of therusskibear:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Alex_Lukashenko_.jpeg

Gotta give that man credit - that's a mustache even a Turk or Mexican could be proud of.

Or a gay 80's porn star.

Posted: 8/11/2012 7:06:20 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:

Georgian president Saakashvilli vs Putin
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg841/scaled.php?server=841&filename=57a81fbb1ce6.jpg&res=landing

Trying to put your boot on the throat of your neighbors again? I thought that Soviet Union and Stalinism was over?

???
What you talking about? Russian peace-keepers and civilian citizens were hit by Georgian fire. Russia did strike back.
Then the venture of Georgian president failed.

EU report conclusions on the 8.8.8 conflict:

"Georgia is responsible for unleashing the Five-Day War in the Caucasus last August, says an investigative report carried out by the EU.
The report was commissioned by the Council of the European Union. More than 30 European military, history and legal specialists – headed by Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini – compiled the document. The group concluded that it was Georgia who fired the first shot and the opening attack was not justifiable under international law."

"In the opinion of the mission, Georgia provoked the war when it attacked Tskhinvali early on August 8, using heavy artillery," Commission chief Heidi Tagliavini said during the presentation of the report, Interfax news agency reports

"2.) On the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, a sustained Georgian artillery attack struck the
town of Tskhinvali. Other movements of the Georgian armed forces targeting Tskhinvali
and the surrounding areas were under way, and soon the fighting involved Russian, South
Ossetian and Abkhaz military units and armed elements. It did not take long, however,
before the Georgian advance into South Ossetia was stopped. In a counter-movement,
Russian armed forces, covered by air strikes and by elements of its Black Sea fleet,
penetrated deep into Georgia, cutting across the country’s main east-west road, reaching
the port of Poti and stopping short of Georgia’s capital city, Tbilisi."

Source: http://rt.com/files/politics/georgia-started-ossetian-war/iiffmcg-volume-i.pdf
(original EU report)

What I've read seems to indicate that Russia instigated the whole thing based on policies going back several years. And the whole "Russian civilians" thing is rather contrived. The Russians knew what they were doing when they gave every Georgian national who was an Ossetian who wanted one a passport.

"Here, take these crates of munitions and attack the Georgians. Take these passports too!" <five seconds later> "The Georgians are shooting at Russian citizens? WAR!!!!!".

But the first munition exploded was a Georgian one.

It was the Ossetians with Russian backing who shot first.

"Who shot first" is wholly irrelevant, and only comes up when Russia tries to shape the discussion. Russia was determined to provoke and provoke until fighting started. It was the pretense for the already planned and resourced invasion.

Oh, I know about the Russian stuff. I was reading a piece a while back about how Russia sabotaged efforts by the Ossetians and Georgians to come to an understanding and bring S. Ossetia completely back into the fold; afterwards, people such as Russian army officers ended up in high S. Ossetian political offices and no peace was possible after that. Russia has been manipulating this from the very start.

Nagorno-Karabackh and Transnistria as well. Heck, even Crimea and Odessa. By asserting a role as peacekeepers / conflict mediators / Black Sea policers they have managed to perpetuate a status quo that maintains political instability and keep NATO and EU expansion at bay.

Posted: 8/11/2012 7:14:56 PM EDT

[#42]

TAG for tomorrow. Good history here fellas.

Posted: 8/11/2012 9:16:06 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:

Georgian president Saakashvilli vs Putin
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg841/scaled.php?server=841&filename=57a81fbb1ce6.jpg&res=landing

Trying to put your boot on the throat of your neighbors again? I thought that Soviet Union and Stalinism was over?

???
What you talking about? Russian peace-keepers and civilian citizens were hit by Georgian fire. Russia did strike back.
Then the venture of Georgian president failed.

EU report conclusions on the 8.8.8 conflict:

"Georgia is responsible for unleashing the Five-Day War in the Caucasus last August, says an investigative report carried out by the EU.
The report was commissioned by the Council of the European Union. More than 30 European military, history and legal specialists – headed by Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini – compiled the document. The group concluded that it was Georgia who fired the first shot and the opening attack was not justifiable under international law."

"In the opinion of the mission, Georgia provoked the war when it attacked Tskhinvali early on August 8, using heavy artillery," Commission chief Heidi Tagliavini said during the presentation of the report, Interfax news agency reports

"2.) On the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, a sustained Georgian artillery attack struck the
town of Tskhinvali. Other movements of the Georgian armed forces targeting Tskhinvali
and the surrounding areas were under way, and soon the fighting involved Russian, South
Ossetian and Abkhaz military units and armed elements. It did not take long, however,
before the Georgian advance into South Ossetia was stopped. In a counter-movement,
Russian armed forces, covered by air strikes and by elements of its Black Sea fleet,
penetrated deep into Georgia, cutting across the country’s main east-west road, reaching
the port of Poti and stopping short of Georgia’s capital city, Tbilisi."

Source: http://rt.com/files/politics/georgia-started-ossetian-war/iiffmcg-volume-i.pdf
(original EU report)

What I've read seems to indicate that Russia instigated the whole thing based on policies going back several years. And the whole "Russian civilians" thing is rather contrived. The Russians knew what they were doing when they gave every Georgian national who was an Ossetian who wanted one a passport.

"Here, take these crates of munitions and attack the Georgians. Take these passports too!" <five seconds later> "The Georgians are shooting at Russian citizens? WAR!!!!!".

But the first munition exploded was a Georgian one.

It was the Ossetians with Russian backing who shot first.

"Who shot first" is wholly irrelevant, and only comes up when Russia tries to shape the discussion. Russia was determined to provoke and provoke until fighting started. It was the pretense for the already planned and resourced invasion.

Oh, I know about the Russian stuff. I was reading a piece a while back about how Russia sabotaged efforts by the Ossetians and Georgians to come to an understanding and bring S. Ossetia completely back into the fold; afterwards, people such as Russian army officers ended up in high S. Ossetian political offices and no peace was possible after that. Russia has been manipulating this from the very start.

Nagorno-Karabackh and Transnistria as well. Heck, even Crimea and Odessa. By asserting a role as peacekeepers / conflict mediators / Black Sea policers they have managed to perpetuate a status quo that maintains political instability and keep NATO and EU expansion at bay.

I wonder what would happen in the event Moldova were to reunite with Romania, which officially would make Transistria part of Romania, which is a NATO country. It would be almost a sort of paradox, i.e. Russian troops occupying part of a NATO country. I wonder if the Romanians could invoke Article 5 for such a thing. It's interesting to ponder, although the movement to reunite Moldova with Romania seems to have waned considerably, last I checked.

Posted: 8/11/2012 9:17:32 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
Why are they wearing the USMC uniform?

Georgian Army was in the process of switching from something similar to our old woodland uniforms and Russian stuff to MARPAT, the pattern being what they adopted as part of their modernization programme. I think by the time of the war only reservists were still using the older uniforms.

Posted: 8/11/2012 9:25:11 PM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Why are they wearing the USMC uniform?

Georgian Army was in the process of switching from something similar to our old woodland uniforms and Russian stuff to MARPAT, the pattern being what they adopted as part of their modernization programme. I think by the time of the war only reservists were still using the older uniforms.

And, if I remember correctly, they had quite a few troops in Iraq at the time?

Posted: 8/11/2012 9:41:22 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Why are they wearing the USMC uniform?

Georgian Army was in the process of switching from something similar to our old woodland uniforms and Russian stuff to MARPAT, the pattern being what they adopted as part of their modernization programme. I think by the time of the war only reservists were still using the older uniforms.

And, if I remember correctly, they had quite a few troops in Iraq at the time?

Yes, but those guys were wearing DCUs at the time, at least according to the photos of them coming off the plane in Georgia during the war. Talk about shitty news to get while on deployment.

Posted: 8/11/2012 9:42:30 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
LOL

The Russians barely managed to defeat a force that was only a fraction the size of their own. They couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

Russia should stick to producing vodka, prostitutes and suicidal authors. They're the only things they do well.

Errr they did pretty good actually. The invading force was smaller than the defending force,They did it quickly with the 2nd stringers and proved the point they wanted to make. This shifted the power in the whole region to Russian favor and exposed waning US power abroad. Meanwhile after 10 years in the M.E., blood and money we are seeing the power shift to many of the same people we have been fighting.

Posted: 8/11/2012 10:03:17 PM EDT

[#48]

I wonder how many of those Georgian prisoners were murdered by the Russians.

Posted: 8/11/2012 10:10:47 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:
I wonder how many of those Georgian prisoners were murdered by the Russians.

I think most were repatriated eventually. I'm sure some were executed by the Russians or the various irregulars on the Russian side, though.

Posted: 8/12/2012 12:39:54 AM EDT

[#50]

I love how Russian soldiers always look like out of shape bandits in a post apocalyptic movie.

One thing I can say about U.S. soldiers is even with beards, they look like professional.

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