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MP, USA
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Posted: 10/7/2023 3:15:36 PM EDT
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Variety is the spice of life and all that, so it makes sense that people like different calibers.
10mm, 40cal, and 357 sig were attempts to do better than 9mm, at a time when it was felt that 9mm was less than adequate and 45 APC was the penultimate man stopper. 357 sig and 40cal don’t do anything better than 9mm and have more recoil, less mag capacity, and higher cost. FBI tests further invalidated any perceived benefit to handgun calibers other than 9mm. 9mm in an appropriate contemporary JHP loading has been shown to be on par with all other handgun calibers. If one needs more than 9mm, an intermediate rifle caliber is the next choice. That’s why 40 and 357 sig went out of favor. As to why 10mm is back in favor and 5.7x28 is in vogue, I think both are sufficiently different than 9mm and have firearms that use them that are novel. |
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Posted: 10/8/2023 6:59:47 PM EDT
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10mm - on the Gen4 G20 platform - is Mil-issue to Denmark’s Sledge Patrol soldiers assigned to the arctic regions of Greenlandia. It puts Polar bears down hard for a long-term Tundra Nap.
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TUN
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Posted: 10/8/2023 7:04:49 PM EDT
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Ballistics for .40 compared to 9mm don't provide real benefits for the recoil and capacity cost.
10mm begins to get close to enough energy for a woods gun that it's additional capacity vs a revolver makes it attractive. ,357sig don't beat 9mm +p at anything meaningful while being a hard to find, expensive bottleneck pistol cartridge that comes with all the reloading issues that bottleneck rifle cartridges come with. |
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Posted: 10/8/2023 7:06:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OnceBidenTwiceXi: I thought 10mm was older than 40 S&W. |
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Posted: 11/18/2023 8:49:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m6z: I think there was always a big interest in 5.7, but until recently ammo was hard to find and your only option for guns was FNH @ $1k+. Now you can get a Rock for the price of a Glock. Agree. I always want a 5.7 and wanted 5.7 ammo but it costs so much. Now there are a number of inexpensive options & more ammo. |
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Posted: 11/18/2023 8:54:10 PM EDT
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10mm is thr most ass you can get in a semi-auto, which will always have a place.
.357 Mag is a Revolver round, and nobody likes revolvers. .357Sig is a lower capacity 9mm +P+ in most eyes. And 9mm is considered good amd effective in that class. If I want a higher class - I'll jump to 10mm, for the same sized case body diameter. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 10:51:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: .357Sig is a lower capacity 9mm +P+ in most eyes. And 9mm is considered good amd effective in that class. If I want a higher class - I'll jump to 10mm, for the same sized case body diameter. And far easier to reload for , over the .357 Sig's bottle neck case. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 10:54:36 AM EDT
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You can fit 16 rounds of 10mm in a semi auto pistol, standard cap, that's alot of juice.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 12:46:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flogger23m: I think it has a bit to do with 10mm and 5.7 bringing something to the table that the other two cartridges don't. 10mm is the most powerful, and it fills a niche role for wild life protection. 5.7 is flat and accurate with low recoil. .40 and .357 SIG doesn't bring anything to the table that 9mm can. It seems like the consensus is if you want a bigger round with a practical advantage, there is .45ACP or 10mm. Why would anyone choose .45 ACP over 10mm? Supressor use or bring a 1911 purest spring to mind. From ability standpoint you'd think 10mm would surpass it in every way. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2023 5:28:12 PM EDT
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For years I only had a 45 auto for a handgun. 7 years ago I wanted something for outdooors camping etc.
4inch .357 was what I wanted but started seein prices way up there. Remembered 10mm being talked about and since I reload I began looking into it and picked up a Glock20 for a good price. Now I had a gun with more capacity in a good size plus I can reload ammo to its max loading like it’s supposed to be. I don’t use it for target stuff mainly my camping woods gun As for 9mm was never really much into them in the mid 90s then last 3 years I ended up with 2 of them a g43 for ccw and a Canik tp9 for target. Bullet technology is what helped me go to a 9mm for ccw plus size of gun. The .40 Short&Weak never had any interest in that round. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2023 9:48:21 PM EDT
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Because 45 isn't just M1911 ball anymore.
16 rounds of 185 grains at 1400 fps is nothing to sneeze at (5.5" FNP 45 barrel) |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 12:11:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: I'm waiting patiently for my 45 GAP to be rediscovered Bless him |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 12:15:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flogger23m: I think it has a bit to do with 10mm and 5.7 bringing something to the table that the other two cartridges don't. 10mm is the most powerful, and it fills a niche role for wild life protection. 5.7 is flat and accurate with low recoil. .40 and .357 SIG doesn't bring anything to the table that 9mm can. It seems like the consensus is if you want a bigger round with a practical advantage, there is .45ACP or 10mm. Got to say in a practical world one only need 9mm and 10mm pistols. 5.7 maybe for recoil sensitive folks. 45, 40 and 357 sig fall into a grey area. Thankful here in the USA were still alowed to play around with wants vs. needs. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 1:41:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shotar: The snappy part is really a glock thing. It's a joy to shoot in a Sig. It took glock until gen 5 to figure this out. Regardless, cartridge popularity comes and goes, much being driven by marketing as everyone seeks to find that more perfect balance of accuracy and power that the last more perfect thing didn't have. Can someone tell me what 6.5 manbun does that .270 doesn't? I don't own either, but cannot 6.5 be had in faster twists to handle heavier, higher BC bullets, and in shorter actions? |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 10:43:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrysuperhawk: I don't own either, but cannot 6.5 be had in faster twists to handle heavier, higher BC bullets, and in shorter actions? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrysuperhawk: Originally Posted By shotar: The snappy part is really a glock thing. It's a joy to shoot in a Sig. It took glock until gen 5 to figure this out. Regardless, cartridge popularity comes and goes, much being driven by marketing as everyone seeks to find that more perfect balance of accuracy and power that the last more perfect thing didn't have. Can someone tell me what 6.5 manbun does that .270 doesn't? I don't own either, but cannot 6.5 be had in faster twists to handle heavier, higher BC bullets, and in shorter actions? Bullet selection is a big one for those that reload. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 10:58:13 PM EDT
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I have several calibers that are not your run of the mill. I knew going in that you don’t find them on every street corner.
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Posted: 12/25/2023 11:37:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oldgold: I have several calibers that are not your run of the mill. I knew going in that you don’t find them on every street corner. Yep. My one and only revolver is in .327 Fed Mag. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 8:09:57 PM EDT
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This turned into a really good thread, even though we were beating a dead horse it was fun to read all of your informed opinions!
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:32:13 PM EDT
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5.7 is now cheaper PPR vs the other calibers in the thread title
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:45:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:53:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: W_E_G]
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The high quality of HANDGUN bullet construction in modern ammunition has made it possible to achieve (and LIMIT) penetration to the magic 14” in every significant caliber.
Buy top shelf ammunition and 14” is your huckleberry. All the significant calibers (and many INSIGNIFICANT calibers) easily penetrate 30” of ballistic gelatin with ball ammunition. You can have penetration, or you can have 14” Pick one. |
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Posted: 2/16/2024 9:00:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Colt653: Who cares Fuck the current trend . . buy all the calibers load all the calibers shoot all the calibers https://i.imgur.com/r93QYSO.gif This is my attitude. I shoot all the calibers. Love .45 Colt, 45 ACP, 40, 9mm, 38, 357, etc. As far as .40 goes, years back I came across 3500 rounds of Spear Gold Dots, 180 gr. Cheeeeeep.... Also 10 gallons of once fired .40 brass free. I'll shoot .40 for a while. It kills thing effectively on the ranch. |
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Posted: 2/16/2024 9:03:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By November5: I just put .45 ACP in my G19 instead. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173129/B65AB842-5915-47E7-83A1-00D5376965A8-1990028.jpg Wait! What? |
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Posted: 2/16/2024 9:16:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Wait! What? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Originally Posted By November5: I just put .45 ACP in my G19 instead. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173129/B65AB842-5915-47E7-83A1-00D5376965A8-1990028.jpg Wait! What? Marconi G23 slide with a KKM G29 barrel.  |
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Posted: 2/16/2024 9:19:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Colt653: Who cares Fuck the current trend . . buy all the calibers load all the calibers shoot all the calibers Hell yes brother! From a guy with all the above plus .22 TCM, .32 Mag, .38 Super, 41 Mag, and .45 WinMag https://i.imgur.com/r93QYSO.gif |
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Posted: 2/16/2024 9:26:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nhsport: The firearm buyer has generally been a fickle lot . Any guy who takes the time to practice and shoot his gun well is going to be a force to contend with. In a law enforcement situation there is quite often a battle to come up with a size/type of firearm/cartridge that most cops can easily carry on a daily basis and still get decent hits with.. Couple this with the fact that a good training program costs a boatload of money that taxpayers don't really want to spend and there are problems. Citizen firearms tend to follow whatever is hot in the law enforcement field . I have been involved with shooting and reading gun magazines since the late 1960s . Stuff blows hot and cold but many times hot again. New materials and optics ,better bullets and powders all enter into the what is . hot/not discussion but for me 1911 in 45acp and revolvers in .357 cover lots of ground. Had a buddy who ran a small gun shop for a while and the guys who worked there were always talking about what type of guns to have on hand to boost sales. The shop jokeingly said "buy ten of whatever gun was on the cover or Guns and Ammo and National rifleman this month" Sort of said in jest but worked out most of the time . Never neglect the latest fad movie influence either. A new great western, a saving private Ryan flick etc. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:14:51 PM EDT
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In my "old man opinion" the venerable ole .357 Mag, 125gr JHP at 1400fps out of a 4" barrel is still one on the best man stoppers out there.
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KS, USA
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Posted: 2/18/2024 2:36:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By November5: The magwells on the Strike80 frames are large enough that Para mags fit and drop free. I opened up a G23 slide to fit a G36 barrel. I'm also working on a 10mm, but an unplanned hospitalization slowed that one down. Marconi G23 slide with a KKM G29 barrel. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173129/IMG_0786-3130841.jpg Wait what? I didn't know this was possible |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 2/18/2024 3:09:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By osprey21: In my "old man opinion" the venerable ole .357 Mag, 125gr JHP at 1400fps out of a 4" barrel is still one on the best man stoppers out there. It certainly is.....but be careful with saying that because a bunch of rabid 9mm fans will blast you saying anything more than a competent JHP of 125 grains at 1150 fps is just energy/recoil lost in the ether. |
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Posted: 2/18/2024 3:28:12 AM EDT
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I still love 40 and my G23.
9mm can't do my 180gn hard cast woods load. 10mm can but not in a nice light compact 9mm frame which is much more pleasant to walk around with. But I'm really a fan of all the calibers.... more so a fan of pistol calibers with straight walls that are much easier to reload for. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 1:13:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DocGP]
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It may have already been touched upon, but during the last great ammo shortage, 40cal was relatively easy to find.
One plus for it. Also makes great subsonic rounds for the 10mm. Doc |
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Posted: 3/11/2024 1:01:33 AM EDT
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Ha!
Man this thread has legs! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/IMG_2693_jpeg-3084679.JPG |
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