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Posted: 10/7/2023 5:20:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: norshon3]
I seem to recall a rumor of a guy making a semi Stoner 63? Perhaps it was just a
dream but I could have sworn it. Hmmm. Maybe it was a guy making one out of a Robinson Armament gun? |
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Posted: 10/7/2023 5:25:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By norshon3: I seem to recall a rumor of a guy making a semi Stoner 63? Perhaps it was just a dream but I could have sworn it. Hmmm In a related note at today's Louisville Gun Show, 2 Stoner Bipods were being sold. Interestingly both were different types. |
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Posted: 10/7/2023 5:56:25 PM EDT
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This is what you seek: Facebook, Join group "Stoner 63 parts and info"
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Posted: 10/7/2023 9:40:39 PM EDT
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There was a guy here a few years back saying his team was developing a semi-auto 63 closer to the original than the Robinson. Nothing came of it.
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MP, USA
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Posted: 10/8/2023 2:17:00 PM EDT
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There is a semi 63A in the works. The guy making it has his second design submitted to ATF for approval as a semi. He’s active in the Bookface Stoner 63 groups.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/8/2023 8:57:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By norshon3: I seem to recall a rumor of a guy making a semi Stoner 63? Perhaps it was just a dream but I could have sworn it. Hmmm. Maybe it was a guy making one out of a Robinson Armament gun? Pretty sure that was user "WaffenUndBier" ........ I think he may have passed away |
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Posted: 10/8/2023 9:09:31 PM EDT
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Is this the thread?
Stoner 66 Carbine project update was Not quite an AR15 but I was following the thread, super excited to see something sort of scratch the itch. They're super super neat guns. Such a shame they were so short lived and they're such unicorns. Even the parts/kits are super hard to come by because when they chopped up the parts kits I believe they also crushed them in some manner. I think I remember Mark Serbu talking about it in one of his videos too. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 10/9/2023 8:04:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Villafuego: Pretty sure that was user "WaffenUndBier" ........ I think he may have passed away He was part of the group making parts for the Stoner project. There is an 07/02 who is alive, well, and awaiting ATF approval on his semiauto-only design. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 10:31:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: There is an 07/02 who is alive, well, and awaiting ATF approval on his semiauto-only design. If so, what's the cost? |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 10/9/2023 4:46:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder: Is anybody manufacturing a post sample MG version currently? If so, what's the cost? Yes, he will build you a post sample. I don’t know the price. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 5:11:52 PM EDT
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Isn’t the Knights machine gun designed off of a Stoner? Are they still making them?
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Posted: 10/9/2023 5:23:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hollowhandle: Isn't the Knights machine gun designed off of a Stoner? Are they still making them? |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 3:22:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: He was part of the group making parts for the Stoner project. There is an 07/02 who is alive, well, and awaiting ATF approval on his semiauto-only design. The semi auto receiver has b in n approved, but the gent making them is older, and not able to do this with any kind of production schedule. I offered to make parts for him, but he hasn't responded. PSA should buy and produce this project under H&R |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 3:26:41 PM EDT
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That’s a good idea. Someone should tag them in. I can’t remember Mike’s and JJE’s exact handles.
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Posted: 7/25/2024 5:12:58 PM EDT
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@MikeNDS
@Mike-NDS @Mike_NDS @NDSMike @NDS_Mike @NDS-Mike That should do it. 
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:03:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Elcunning: PSA should buy and produce this project under H&R That would be amazing! |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 7:20:34 AM EDT
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If that was a successful commercial product, Robinson would still be making it.
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Posted: 7/26/2024 8:36:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: If that was a successful commercial product, Robinson would still be making it. Robinson never gave the market what it really wanted, which was a belt fed option. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 11:35:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mike_nds]
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If the dude can afford to tool up and sell them, more power to him.
 I personally don't see the need in the market other than a collectors piece/BBQ gun. YMMV |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 11:41:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: If the dude can afford to tool up and sell them, more power to him. I personally don't see the need in the market other than a collectors piece/BBQ gun. YMMV  Aren't you the guy making and selling, and intending to make even more platforms, of high quality collector's guns?M16A1 XM16E1 M16 M231 XM177 XM177A1 XM177A2 And you want to produce M14s and M1 Garands under the H&R brand? |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 12:04:40 PM EDT
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The semi design Stoner 63 design was approved by the ATF a few days ago.
There has been a group of us making reproduction Stoner 63 parts for a few years now supporting the full auto Stoner owner community and guys that have built semi auto guns from parts. The KAC LMG have no parts in common with the Stoner 63 other than the same designer. The KAC LMG is based on Stoner 86 design which is completely different than the 63. As mentioned in this thread, there are 2 FB groups dedicated to the Stoner 63 and making parts and a semi gun. I own a full auto gun but I am helping in the effort in making parts and reverse engineering parts that will work both for the full auto and semi auto guns.  |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 3:08:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Aren't you the guy making and selling, and intending to make even more platforms, of high quality collector's guns?M16A1 XM16E1 M16 M231 XM177 XM177A1 XM177A2 And you want to produce M14s and M1 Garands under the H&R brand? I personally want to do some hunting guns rather than clone every military rifle ever made. 
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Posted: 7/26/2024 7:40:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: I personally want to do some hunting guns rather than clone every military rifle ever made. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Originally Posted By backbencher: Aren't you the guy making and selling, and intending to make even more platforms, of high quality collector's guns?M16A1 XM16E1 M16 M231 XM177 XM177A1 XM177A2 And you want to produce M14s and M1 Garands under the H&R brand? I personally want to do some hunting guns rather than clone every military rifle ever made. Single shot hunting guns? 
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MP, USA
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Posted: 7/26/2024 9:47:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: I personally want to do some hunting guns rather than clone every military rifle ever made. A stoner 63A would be worth cloning though. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 11:26:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: A stoner 63A would be worth cloning though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: Originally Posted By mike_nds: I personally want to do some hunting guns rather than clone every military rifle ever made. A stoner 63A would be worth cloning though. The economics behind your claim are sketchy at best. No one else has fallen on their sword since Robinson. We have this Facebook group and if they can get semi-auto receivers to market, grab one, be prepared to wait, and be prepared to lose your deposit and never hear from them again. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/27/2024 1:33:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Villafuego: Pretty sure that was user "WaffenUndBier" ........ I think he may have passed away |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2024 5:46:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgthatred: The semi design Stoner 63 design was approved by the ATF a few days ago. There has been a group of us making reproduction Stoner 63 parts for a few years now supporting the full auto Stoner owner community and guys that have built semi auto guns from parts. The KAC LMG have no parts in common with the Stoner 63 other than the same designer. The KAC LMG is based on Stoner 86 design which is completely different than the 63. As mentioned in this thread, there are 2 FB groups dedicated to the Stoner 63 and making parts and a semi gun. I own a full auto gun but I am helping in the effort in making parts and reverse engineering parts that will work both for the full auto and semi auto guns. http://weaponblueprints.com/mongo/pictures/Stoner-63/Left-side-beltfeed/Stoner-left%20feed%20hanger-open-small.jpg Interesting I have never seen a left side feed pattern of the 63a with the box and belt cover set up like that. Who is the resident stoner 63 expert here? |
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Posted: 7/30/2024 8:19:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Packman: Interesting I have never seen a left side feed pattern of the 63a with the box and belt cover set up like that. Who is the resident stoner 63 expert here?  |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2024 9:18:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgthatred: That's because its the only one that exist. Its my gun. John Thomas of retro rifle fame helped me out. The hanger is an airsoft hanger. The hanger was taken apart and reversed and some minor additions to make it usable on a real gun were made. I'm actually surprised someone here picked up on the uniqueness of it. http://weaponblueprints.com/mongo/pictures/Stoner-63/Left-side-beltfeed/Stoner-left%20feed%20hanger-leftfront-small.jpg Okay that is absolutely awesome!!! Sorry I am super detail oriented and so I immediately knew something was very different with this Stoner 63A. Thank you for taking your time to explain what you had done, truly a work of art! John Thomas really is a master at his craft. |
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Posted: 7/30/2024 9:33:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Packman: Okay that is absolutely awesome!!! Sorry I am super detail oriented and so I immediately knew something was very different with this Stoner 63A. Thank you for taking your time to explain what you had done, truly a work of art! John Thomas really is a master at his craft. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2024 10:13:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: The economics behind your claim are sketchy at best. No one else has fallen on their sword since Robinson. We have this Facebook group and if they can get semi-auto receivers to market, grab one, be prepared to wait, and be prepared to lose your deposit and never hear from them again. Robinson did it poorly. The economics only make sense if the one spearheading the project is an unapologetic unrepentant addict for the Stoner and then also prices it accordingly high to justify production. Look at the fg42 clones. I’ve been a member of the two Stoner fb groups for a few years. I really hope this project sees production. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/1/2024 12:07:01 AM EDT
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I thought some company in the 1970s made like 100 semi auto variation of the Stoner 63.
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Posted: 8/1/2024 1:39:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: Robinson did it poorly. The economics only make sense if the one spearheading the project is an unapologetic unrepentant addict for the Stoner and then also prices it accordingly high to justify production. Look at the fg42 clones. I’ve been a member of the two Stoner fb groups for a few years. I really hope this project sees production. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: Originally Posted By backbencher: The economics behind your claim are sketchy at best. No one else has fallen on their sword since Robinson. We have this Facebook group and if they can get semi-auto receivers to market, grab one, be prepared to wait, and be prepared to lose your deposit and never hear from them again. Robinson did it poorly. The economics only make sense if the one spearheading the project is an unapologetic unrepentant addict for the Stoner and then also prices it accordingly high to justify production. Look at the fg42 clones. I’ve been a member of the two Stoner fb groups for a few years. I really hope this project sees production. I really hope it sees production as well. I don't think the economics make sense any way you cut it. The AR-15 is now more modular than its stepchild. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/12/2024 6:29:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Apec]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR18: I thought some company in the 1970s made like 100 semi auto variation of the Stoner 63. From what I've read, most of those guns were made "on the side" by actual Cadillac-Gage employees using their company equipment. |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 9:13:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sgthatred]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR18: I thought some company in the 1970s made like 100 semi auto variation of the Stoner 63.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/22/2024 3:31:58 PM EDT
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Any updates? I heard there was some movement on the approval of the semi version. I do not have Facebook so I am no tup to date on info.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 8/22/2024 9:57:13 PM EDT
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A semi version was approved in July. That doesn’t mean there will be anything more than a receiver for a long time (and even how complete the first versions of the receiver will be is subject to some debate). Also everything else needed for a complete gun is still up to the end user. There are some parts like barrels and furniture that have some limited production, but big parts of the gun such as fcg, bolt carrier assemblies and the lower still don’t have modern production established so your limited to original parts and their associated prices currently.
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Posted: 8/26/2024 5:41:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4-Pilot: A semi version was approved in July. That doesn't mean there will be anything more than a receiver for a long time (and even how complete the first versions of the receiver will be is subject to some debate). Also everything else needed for a complete gun is still up to the end user. There are some parts like barrels and furniture that have some limited production, but big parts of the gun such as fcg, bolt carrier assemblies and the lower still don't have modern production established so your limited to original parts and their associated prices currently. There is an effort to get parts made. I have offered to get involved in the manufacturing of FCG, and operating group. But there seems to others in front of me that are already in the firearm business |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 8/28/2024 4:32:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Elcunning: There is an effort to get parts made. I have offered to get involved in the manufacturing of FCG, and operating group. But there seems to others in front of me that are already in the firearm business Oh I understand that. I’m involved with some of the parts that are already available, but for an out of the box functional semi 63 to be anywhere close to reality … it’s just not happening for a LONG time. Not to mention any type of belt fed, which is what *most* people would be looking for. |
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Posted: 10/8/2024 7:26:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amphibian: Yes. He passed away. Was a good friend of mine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amphibian: Originally Posted By Villafuego: Pretty sure that was user "WaffenUndBier" ........ I think he may have passed away  Awww, Man. Always loved his posts. This bums me out. I just lost a business friend yesterday now I am double bummed. |
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Posted: 10/11/2024 1:48:59 PM EDT
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Well the first semi Stoner 63 was delivered today.
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Posted: 10/11/2024 2:45:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgthatred: Well the first semi Stoner 63 was delivered today. A center charging rifle with the Garand style safety would really trip my trigger. |
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Posted: 10/11/2024 3:10:30 PM EDT
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Any pics or more info?
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Posted: 10/11/2024 5:17:45 PM EDT
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He made is a 63 not a 63A hence the none flag type safety. The handguard and pistol grip are both my repros I sell. The stock, I think he makes from FAL stocks. He modified a AR15 mag to be used with a Stoner 63, you can tell this by it not having a constant curve like a Stoner mag.Looks to be a rifle front sight on a 16" barrel. The magazine well is 63 not the improved 63A model. The rear sight is a 63 4 hole, and I assume the charging handle is on the left side like a 63 gun. He has duplicated a 63 edition of gun fairly well.
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Posted: 10/11/2024 9:26:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: desertmoon]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgthatred: He made is a 63 not a 63A hence the none flag type safety. The handguard and pistol grip are both my repros I sell. The stock, I think he makes from FAL stocks. He modified a AR15 mag to be used with a Stoner 63, you can tell this by it not having a constant curve like a Stoner mag.Looks to be a rifle front sight on a 16" barrel. The magazine well is 63 not the improved 63A model. The rear sight is a 63 4 hole, and I assume the charging handle is on the left side like a 63 gun. He has duplicated a 63 edition of gun fairly well. https://i.imgur.com/BzcVMZH.jpeg I imagine THAT gun with a central, top charging handle, the flag/Garand safety and an 18 or 20 inch barrel with a folding stock. It would be perfect. I still remember my growing, growing, growing disappointment as I learned that my Robinson M96 had about as much to do with a Stoner 63 as my dog does. I have NEVER missed that gun in the slightest. EXACTLY like this, including the folding stock but with about 1.5 to 2 inches of barrel in front of the gas block and then gassed accordingly.  NOT MY PIC ( duh! ) Honestly, as a properly edumacated Rifleman, the only other config I would like is the Bren Gun. ...but having the works available would sure be sweet. You Stoner 63 guys are amazing! I feel like Charlie Brown holding a rock in a sack every time I look at my stupid Auto Mag. |
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Posted: 10/11/2024 9:45:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By desertmoon: That is gonna turn some heads!!!!! I imagine THAT gun with a central, top charging handle, the flag/Garand safety and an 18 or 20 inch barrel with a folding stock. It would be perfect. I still remember my growing, growing, growing disappointment as I learned that my Robinson M96 had about as much to do with a Stoner 63 as my dog does. I have NEVER missed that gun in the slightest. EXACTLY like this, including the folding stock but with about 1.5 to 2 inches of barrel in front of the gas block and then gassed accordingly. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/23042/Stoner_63A_Carbine-3347184.jpg NOT MY PIC ( duh! ) Honestly, as a properly edumacated Rifleman, the only other config I would like is the Bren Gun. ...but having the works available would sure be sweet. You Stoner 63 guys are amazing! I feel like Charlie Brown holding a rock in a sack every time I look at my stupid Auto Mag. The picture you posted is my gun gun/picture so I know it well. |
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Posted: 10/11/2024 9:49:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgthatred: He is going to be doing 63A configurations as well. The picture you posted is my gun gun/picture so I know it well. I wish that dude nothing but success on his next build!!!! |
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