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Posted: 11/23/2023 2:59:22 PM EDT
I want a semi auto SBS.
I just need reliable and able to mount a weaponlight, rds and sling. I’m kind of torn between finding a 14” Benelli M2 SBS Or tracking down a Tac-13 and do a form 1. Any opinions on one way or the other? |
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Posted: 11/23/2023 3:04:10 PM EDT
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Benelli M4 SBS
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Posted: 11/23/2023 4:21:09 PM EDT
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I have both (M4 and TAC-13) and the M4 is definitely the way to go.
Not the cheapest way, but the best way. |
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Posted: 11/23/2023 4:43:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ScoutH57]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 18B30: Benelli M4 SBS I was considering that but one obviously highest dollar route. I was hoping someone would talk me out of it  It’ll get fed basically nothing but Flite control and HST slugs and breaching slugs |
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Posted: 11/24/2023 12:31:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KitBuilder]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScoutH57: I was considering that but one obviously highest dollar route. I was hoping someone would talk me out of it It'll get fed basically nothing but Flite control and HST slugs and breaching slugs If you might later want to add a shell carrier, along with maybe a heavier RDS, and a light, all that weight adds up and can become a problem for the M2, so that's where the M4 comes in. I have no experience with how either cycles breaching shells. I have an old M1 Entry with a dedicated Surefire light and it's awesome. I like the ghost load feature too. (7 shells in a 14" shotgun.) The newer bolt carriers can also be modified to allow ghost loading. I also have an M3, but I don't recommend them. If your breaching shell (or whatever) fails to cycle then just reach up and cycle the charging handle. That's just as fast as switching to pump mode and pumping it, and the recoil spring setup is inferior on the M3 (although the whole M3 is still better than a SPAS-12). |
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Posted: 11/24/2023 9:20:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder: If you're just going with a lightweight RDS and a light, the M2 SBS would be great, and less expensive, and lighter weight (handles better). If you might later want to add a shell carrier, along with maybe a heavier RDS, and a light, all that weight adds up and can become a problem for the M2, so that's where the M4 comes in. I have no experience with how either cycles breaching shells. I have an old M1 Entry with a dedicated Surefire light and it's awesome. I like the ghost load feature too. (7 shells in a 14" shotgun.) The newer bolt carriers can also be modified to allow ghost loading. I also have an M3, but I don't recommend them. If your breaching shell (or whatever) fails to cycle then just reach up and cycle the charging handle. That's just as fast as switching to pump mode and pumping it, and the recoil spring setup is inferior on the M3 (although the whole M3 is still better than a SPAS-12). @KitBuilder The breaching rounds we use are basically 1 ounce frangiible slugs of a couple different brands, they have some poop behind them. haven’t had an issue cycling in an A300, 1301 and even a 930. Do you know if the M2s inertia system has issues cycling if like I’m holding it at funny angles off shoulder attacking a door ? The most iill put on it is an RMR/T-2 light and sling |
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Posted: 11/24/2023 11:08:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KitBuilder]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScoutH57: Do you know if the M2s inertia system has issues cycling if like I'm holding it at funny angles off shoulder attacking a door? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScoutH57: Do you know if the M2s inertia system has issues cycling if like I'm holding it at funny angles off shoulder attacking a door? I did try mine underarm tucked (no stock pad contact) and that worked fine just holding the pistol grip. The most iill put on it is an RMR/T-2 light and sling |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 6:11:29 PM EDT
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I really like my form 1 Tac 13, but it has an uncertain future as far as parts support goes. Wouldn't worry about that aspect with Benelli.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 7:25:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By turbobrick: I really like my form 1 Tac 13, but it has an uncertain future as far as parts support goes. Wouldn't worry about that aspect with Benelli. Yeah the status of the company had me hesitant between QC and the company going away I’ve read a few posts here and there about them allegedly starting to make them again |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 9:27:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2023 9:32:58 PM EDT
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Do you know if the M2s inertia system has issues cycling if like I’m holding it at funny angles off shoulder attacking a door ? The most iill put on it is an RMR/T-2 light and sling Mine has never hiccuped with sling and either long or short barrel. The inertia system is sensitive to mass; but it’s primarily affected by increases in mass, and not decreases associated with chopping barrels. Within certain limits, reducing the guns mass enhances the reliability of an already robust action. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 11:14:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FredMan: If M2 is an option, then M2 is THE option https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50815481611_28e0c28c0e_h.jpgM2 SBS by FredMan, on Flickr That’s downright sexy with the chopped vent rib barrel |
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Posted: 11/26/2023 4:50:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScoutH57: That's downright sexy with the chopped vent rib barrel  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/26/2023 2:36:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By turbobrick: Just to help cloud the issue some more. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164254/IMG_2369_jpeg-3040504.JPG Ah you dick
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Posted: 11/26/2023 2:56:09 PM EDT
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Casual
 Dressed up  |
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Posted: 11/26/2023 3:18:10 PM EDT
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I’m sure if I bought a Tac-13
Remington would immediately start making them again and it’d be like half what I paid |
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Posted: 11/26/2023 5:23:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScoutH57: I'm sure if I bought a Tac-13 Remington would immediately start making them again and it'd be like half what I paid |
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Posted: 11/26/2023 6:46:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: xCLAYBUSTERx]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScoutH57: I’m sure if I bought a Tac-13 Remington would immediately start making them again and it’d be like half what I paid They are making them again.  This one was made this year and was $950 out the door.  Attached File Attached FileETA: R83392 is the currently made version of 83392 |
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Posted: 11/26/2023 8:05:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xCLAYBUSTERx: They are making them again. This one was made this year and was $950 out the door. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14611/IMG_1578_jpeg-3041199.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14611/IMG_1579_jpeg-3041200.JPG ETA: R83392 is the currently made version of 83392 @xCLAYBUSTERx Where’d you get it through I’ve been scouring wholesalers |
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Posted: 11/26/2023 8:10:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScoutH57: @xCLAYBUSTERx Where’d you get it through I’ve been scouring wholesalers https://www.kygunco.com/product/remarms-r83392-v3-tactical-12-gauge-13 Sign up for the in stock notifications. |
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Posted: 11/26/2023 10:23:36 PM EDT
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I just picked up a new production Tac-13. Originally was gonna SBS it, but now I’m toying with the idea of making it an AOW instead. I’ve got a SOT willing to Form 2 so I can pay the $5 stamp.
With the 870 adapter it comes with I could throw a 870 pistol grip on the gun, or I could shorten the barrel and remove the mag extension to get under the length for a AOW |
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Posted: 11/27/2023 2:07:40 PM EDT
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I'm thinking about turning my versa max into a SBS. Any idea on a gun smith to use to make the gun more scary and evil?
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Posted: 11/27/2023 4:08:54 PM EDT
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Rose Actions Sports has cut down hundreds of barrels for members here with great feedback.
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Posted: 11/27/2023 6:47:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xCLAYBUSTERx: https://www.kygunco.com/product/remarms-r83392-v3-tactical-12-gauge-13 Sign up for the in stock notifications. I managed to find one about an hour away from me at Champion Firearms Was able to find it searching that new MPN # you provided, thanks @xCLAYBUSTERx 
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Posted: 11/27/2023 7:47:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScoutH57: I managed to find one about an hour away from me at Champion Firearms Was able to find it searching that new MPN # you provided, thanks @xCLAYBUSTERx Awesome. My e-filed form 1 took 3 weeks a couple months ago. 
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Posted: 11/27/2023 8:29:54 PM EDT
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You want chopped vent rib? You gonna get chopped vent rib. Work by Rose Action Sports
 DSC_1706-M2 Muzzle by FredMan, on Flickr DSC_1711-M2 Rib by FredMan, on Flickr DSC_1715-M2 Rib by FredMan, on FlickrNow with mag extension goodness!!  M2 SBS Nordic Plus 7 by FredMan, on FlickrBut seriously…  M2 SBS +1 Detail by FredMan, on Flickr M2 SBS +1 Detail by FredMan, on Flickr M2 +1 Muzzle Front by FredMan, on Flickr M2 +1 Muzzle Oblique by FredMan, on Flickr M2 +1 Muzzle Profile by FredMan, on Flickr
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Posted: 11/29/2023 4:24:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ScoutH57]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CodDawkins: Casual https://i.imgur.com/ZqjeNKXl.jpg Dressed up https://i.imgur.com/X0pMqHUl.jpg @CodDawkins I feel like this is supposed to be attached to the barrel? Am I right? Figured you’d be quicker than calling Remington   Attached File Attached FileETA: to my surprised I called remington and with no hold time spoke to a fella that actually seemed like he knows a thing or 2 about guns and not in India, I'll see how this goes |
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Posted: 11/29/2023 5:33:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe front fell off Seriously, looks like your gas block fell off.  https://randywakeman.com/Review2017RemingtonV3WalnutReviewPartOne.htm Originally Posted By ScoutH57: @CodDawkins I feel like this is supposed to be attached to the barrel? Am I right? Figured you'd be quicker than calling Remington https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/435001/IMG_1249_jpeg-3044162.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/435001/IMG_1250_jpeg-3044158.JPG ETA: to my surprised I called remington and with no hold time spoke to a fella that actually seemed like he knows a thing or 2 about guns and not in India, I'll see how this goes |
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Posted: 12/11/2023 8:32:58 AM EDT
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That's cool to see how the "versaport" or whatever Rem calls it is made. I've seen the cartoon-ish drawings of it, but never a real picture.
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Posted: 12/11/2023 7:10:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Stahlgewehr762]
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It looks like the high pressure gas (which was "supposed to be" contained within the gas block/barrel) was more powerful than the factory brazing (which was "supposed to hold" the gas block to the barrel) could handle. Essentially, the gas pressure blew the gas block off of the barrel.
I would think that TIG welding the seam on both sides between the gas block and the barrel would be a better choice than brazing, and would be a nice upgrade. |
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Posted: 12/14/2023 12:07:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stahlgewehr762: It looks like the high pressure gas (which was "supposed to be" contained within the gas block/barrel) was more powerful than the factory brazing (which was "supposed to hold" the gas block to the barrel) could handle. Essentially, the gas pressure blew the gas block off of the barrel. I would think that TIG welding the seam on both sides between the gas block and the barrel would be a better choice than brazing, and would be a nice upgrade. It’s funny because it came from the factory that way. So if they test fired it it happened then. Wonder if it worked. It’s been sent back to them for repair/replacement, we’ll see what happens |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:44:59 PM EDT
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ScoutH57. You didn't happen to check the port sizes while you had the chance did you?
I've been wanting to get those port sizes since forever. Just saw your post. |
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Posted: Yesterday 11:46:20 AM EDT
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I went the M2 route.
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