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Posted: 10/4/2022 12:12:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Pyle_Made_Sgt]
Well guys, I won’t say the wait is over for us all, but there’s been some progress as of recent. I’ve seen 3 black units out there so far. One is Larry’s demo unit at OTN. The other 2 so far were procured by Cory at Black Phase tactical and one of those went to the end consumer. I know this is only 3 units but it’s better than updates of absolute uncertainty like the past 18 months for some of us. Through the grapevine, Wilcox is something like 225 units on backorder and that’s for class 3B units only. Licentia and TNVC May have gotten a few too but haven’t seen or read any word on that. Knowing Augee I feel like we’d have heard such news by now if so. As for class 1 RAIDs I still don’t believe Wilcox has began production. Carry on.
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I appreciate the heads up. I was just thinking about these recently and glad they are finally starting to drip in. Hopefully someone can throw up a review on youtube to tide me over.
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Triggering ability. The OP has it. LHA-2
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Well, some progress is better than no progress.
Any word on what the civilian versions were going for price wise? Has Wilcox announced their MSRP? I have a feeling it's going to be around $4K for one, but I seriously hope I'm wrong. |
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They look dope AF.
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Well, some progress is better than no progress. Any word on what the civilian versions were going for price wise? Has Wilcox announced their MSRP? I have a feeling it's going to be around $4K for one, but I seriously hope I'm wrong. View Quote Black Phase Tactical has it listed on their website for pre-order. |
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Originally Posted By WTFShane: Black Phase Tactical has it listed on their website for pre-order. View Quote Jeez, it's not as much as I though, but pretty close. It's definitely a direct competitor to the MAWL. Honestly, if the IR illumination is as nice as the MAWLs the price would be worth it due to the weight savings over the MAWL and size advantage. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Jeez, it's not as much as I though, but pretty close. It's definitely a direct competitor to the MAWL. Honestly, if the IR illumination is as nice as the MAWLs the price would be worth it due to the weight savings over the MAWL and size advantage. View Quote IMO nothing compares to the MAWL for Illume on Civvie side. Just glad I got one long before they jacked their prices up! |
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Originally Posted By GunnyFitz: Agreed. Been on a Pre-Order list for over a year and at this point could care less when it comes. I'll get it to try out and sell it if it doesn't measure up to hype. IMO nothing compares to the MAWL for Illume on Civvie side. Just glad I got one long before they jacked their prices up! View Quote Well, I think it's a good bet that the Raid-Xe Civvie will be on par with the MAWL for performance since they both use the venerated VCSEL laser illumination. Time will tell for sure though. When you get yours let us all know what you think. Could finally be the civilian LAM I've been waiting for even though I do wish ideally that it would cost about half as much. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Well, some progress is better than no progress. Any word on what the civilian versions were going for price wise? Has Wilcox announced their MSRP? I have a feeling it's going to be around $4K for one, but I seriously hope I'm wrong. View Quote As far as I know, class 1 units will be the same MSRP as the restricted units. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Jeez, it's not as much as I though, but pretty close. It's definitely a direct competitor to the MAWL. Honestly, if the IR illumination is as nice as the MAWLs the price would be worth it due to the weight savings over the MAWL and size advantage. View Quote I think the Raid will be superior in terms of programmability. According to Cory’s video from Black Phase Tactical, the Raid can be programmed (by the end user) to behave like a MAWL in terms of “switchology,” if so desired. Very interesting for sure. |
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Originally Posted By Pyle_Made_Sgt: I think the Raid will be superior in terms of programmability. According to Cory’s video from Black Phase Tactical, the Raid can be programmed (by the end user) to behave like a MAWL in terms of “switchology,” if so desired. Very interesting for sure. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Pyle_Made_Sgt: Knowing Augee I feel like we’d have heard such news by now if so. View Quote I'm really actually quite bad about running to the internet whenever we have something new. The RAID-XE (Black / Red VIS Laser) has entered production, and Wilcox is finishing up a Government Rated contract and should be shipping commercial orders shortly. We have had and used various samples for quite some time now, as well as the original RAID and RAID-X, and assisted with the development process, including the Low Power / Eye Safe variant. Like many laser manufacturers, Wilcox has been affected by a general shortage and increase in pricing of appropriate laser diodes for use in these systems. I do not currently have an ETA on availability of the Low Power variant that I would be confident in sharing. Others may be willing to offer other predictions, but lead times on the whole XE family have tended to be a little... "fluid." Wilcox also released an addendum in August explicitly prohibiting individual sales of Class IIIB lasers ahead of the release of the XE family, though I know some dealers had already taken orders. Beyond that, at least per our last discussions with Wilcox, the Low Power variant will have a VCSEL illuminator (and the prototype we tested had one)--however, I will say this: the size and form factor of the MAWL and the performance of the illuminator(s) are related factors. Take that for what you will. ~Augee |
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Originally Posted By Pyle_Made_Sgt: I think the Raid will be superior in terms of programmability. According to Cory’s video from Black Phase Tactical, the Raid can be programmed (by the end user) to behave like a MAWL in terms of “switchology,” if so desired. Very interesting for sure. View Quote I saw that video, very glad that he put that up for us as rough and "doing it live" as it was. The proprietary switch on the Raid Xe is like "eh", but I see why they had to go that direction in order to do their programmable operation through a switch. It still looks like my number one contender right now for a future LAM. I'd really like to see the ZBOLT ACAL make it to market as well and then compare the two against the MAWL. |
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Augee,
As always, thank you for sharing as much information as you can in appropriate time. That does not go overlooked by our community. We also know you have a lot on your plate and remain vigilant by the taxing communication involved in consumer relations across several forms and forums alike. I’m personally hoping to see tan units in production soon, mainly because that’s what I have on order, hehe. Though I’d hate to “jump” on all this info without also checking with the manufacturer, you’ve by far been the most informative on the RAID-XE situation to date. Take care and have a great Columbus Day! -Sgt Pyle |
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KaerMorhenResident,
Initially, I too raised my nose at the proprietary port as I didn’t like the looks of the Wilcox switch and knew we’d be waiting on modlite and a few others to put their cool spin on it. Seeing the video from black phase, the switch, cable and port look to be very high in quality and the entire XE system as a whole offers very diverse capability in terms of adjustability and programming/preference application. It’s been a long wait, too long really. But I’m excited as hell! |
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Augee: "fluid." Wilcox also released an addendum in August explicitly prohibiting individual sales of Class IIIB lasers ahead of the release of the XE family, though I know some dealers had already taken orders. View Quote Also, I wonder if Wilcox nixxed individual sales because they saw how many RAID-X’s were sold second hand or if the drawbacks of individual sales altogether for RAIDs has yielded undesirable results to the end consumer? |
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Is that spec sheet correct for the low power????
In fact it doesn't make any sense given the MAWL C1+ illuminator is low, 5mW; medium, 13 - 17mW; high, 50 - 65mw; and high+ 67 mW. Also KIJI3 low, 5mW; medium, 15mW; high, 85mW and high+ 150mW. Surely the low is a typo and should read 7mW??? |
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Veni Vidi Vici
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Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: Is that spec sheet correct for the low power???? In fact it doesn't make any sense given the MAWL C1+ illuminator is low, 5mW; medium, 13 - 17mW; high, 50 - 65mw; and high+ 67 mW. Also KIJI3 low, 5mW; medium, 15mW; high, 85mW and high+ 150mW. Surely the low is a typo and should read 7mW??? View Quote That spec sheet was never more than provisional and not finalized (those cut sheets are from January at SHOT Show). ~Augee |
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Originally Posted By Pyle_Made_Sgt: Also, I wonder if Wilcox nixxed individual sales because they saw how many RAID-X’s were sold second hand or if the drawbacks of individual sales altogether for RAIDs has yielded undesirable results to the end consumer? View Quote Individual sales have always been prohibited according to every FDA variance I've ever read for manufacturing of IR aiming lasers. However not only have sales reps sometimes given out contradictory information over the years (not just from Wilcox, but other manufacturers as well), but various vendors / dealers have at various times and many still do try to "go around" this, sometimes knowingly, sometimes unknowingly. One of the more popular ones is "agency letterhead" where a buyer claims that they are purchasing for their agency, but then their agency "issues" it to them with no expectation of ever getting it back or ever maintaining any accountability for it, as it was never more than a shell game to begin with. "Lake Arthur" was the most blatant and well publicized example of this kind of thing, but far from the only one--frankly it's a lot more risky than I would probably be comfortable with as a supervisor, however it's doubtful that most realize or care about the fact if something weird happens with a laser purchased under such terms liability could potentially fall back on the department, of course, I doubt most of the time these implications are being discussed or considered, it's more a matter of "hey boss, can you sign this letter for me so I can buy this piece of gear?" The upside is that at the end of the day, IR aiming lasers are not high on the FDA's priority list, so Class IIIB laser sales and regulations and compliance are very rarely enforced and usually so small scale and low impact that it usually goes unnoticed, and I'm not, off top of my head, aware of anyone that has actually been prosecuted for non-compliant IR laser sales (stolen government property being a different matter), however there have been numerous instances of folks receiving not just C&Ds, but also fines, which can be fairly hefty depending on the magnitude of the non-compliance. Unsurprisingly, few folks really publicize when they're hit with a regulatory fine, especially if they're not in a strong enough position to try to challenge it in court. Not to imply or insinuate anything that I have no inside knowledge of, but my guess is that they saw things getting out of hand, with many dealers flat out advertising unrestricted commercial sales, and so many Class IIIB units showing up in individuals' hands without even the pretext of legitimate channels, that they decided they needed to make a clear statement that at least partially absolved them of liability and having done their "due diligence" of informing dealers, a "CYA," and they made sure to push it out before inventory units hit dealers, some of whom had made significant investments in Class IIIB devices for "inventory." When you have several thousands of dollars of unsold product sitting around, the temptation to use whatever means to get it out the door can get pretty strong. Beyond that, many people like to dog on Matt Meyers and the MAWL, but B. E. Meyers has probably done the most so far (though thusfar unsuccessful) to try to lobby to remove restrictions on IR aiming lasers--no one really likes having to make "nerfed" lasers for the commercial market, and pretty much every manufacturer I've spoken to shares the feeling, that I do as well: "I'd love to sell Class III lasers to everyone." ~Augee |
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Originally Posted By Pyle_Made_Sgt: KaerMorhenResident, Initially, I too raised my nose at the proprietary port as I didn’t like the looks of the Wilcox switch and knew we’d be waiting on modlite and a few others to put their cool spin on it. Seeing the video from black phase, the switch, cable and port look to be very high in quality and the entire XE system as a whole offers very diverse capability in terms of adjustability and programming/preference application. It’s been a long wait, too long really. But I’m excited as hell! View Quote Yeah, I always dislike proprietary anything, because I am always modifying or changing up something. However, the Xe's switch looks very doable and I'm not going to complain if these reach the civilian market, because for me they are my cup o tea in terms of weight and form factor. I do wonder whether a TAPS could be done to replace it as an after market option? God bless BE Meyers and the MAWL, great unit and I know everyone who has one sings their praises to the Heavens and deservedly so. That's awesome, but I'm just really all about keeping my rifle as light as possible and people can say "grow stronger" or whatever, but a front heavy rifle is not great in my humble old me opinion. Plus, we're seeing some companies now like Jagerwerks, HRF Concepts, and of course GBRS (took to too extreme in my opinion) with these centered risers now for the smaller LAMs. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Yeah, I always dislike proprietary anything, because I am always modifying or changing up something. However, the Xe's switch looks very doable and I'm not going to complain if these reach the civilian market, because for me they are my cup o tea in terms of weight and form factor. I do wonder whether a TAPS could be done to replace it as an after market option? View Quote Yep same, but I understand why Wilcox had to do it for the programmability of the XE. As for an XE compatible TAPS variant, I wouldn’t hold my breath on such. That would be a far cry for any switch maker outside of the OEM at least for the next couple years as these digital units we’re seeing are becoming quite complex in terms of switchology. |
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I've heard there's an issue with the green vis, like they won't have any or it will be extremely limited. Is that accurate?
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Augee: Like many laser manufacturers, Wilcox has been affected by a general shortage and increase in pricing of appropriate laser diodes for use in these systems. I do not currently have an ETA on availability of the Low Power variant that I would be confident in sharing. Others may be willing to offer other predictions, but lead times on the whole XE family have tended to be a little... "fluid.". ~Augee View Quote Based on your (limited) observations, what is your best guess on the primary reason it had delays/took so long to come to market? 1) because they took their time to get it right — so end users have a low risk of being “beta testers” 2) because of supply chain or other reasons unrelated to product quality |
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I’ll have a hard time justifying $4k to upgrade from a 12 oz Perst-3…
But that 5 oz weight is appealing. I believe the NGAL had been the only full function (vis laser+IR laser+IR illum) device in this weight class. Will need to see performance reports on the illuminator given that a man who knows (Augee) is saying seems to matter with illum performance. |
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Originally Posted By Pyle_Made_Sgt: Yep same, but I understand why Wilcox had to do it for the programmability of the XE. As for an XE compatible TAPS variant, I wouldn’t hold my breath on such. That would be a far cry for any switch maker outside of the OEM at least for the next couple years as these digital units we’re seeing are becoming quite complex in terms of switchology. View Quote Does anyone know how many inches long the wire is for the switch? I'm wondering whether I could run it with one of the new center upper receiver mounts like the Jagerwerks? |
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Had mine on order since August '21. Still waiting. Dealers got some preview models big drops are estimated for Mar '23... At least from what I've been told. These are for the full power models, god knows when the CIV models will drop.
The specs are now published with their latest website update. Vis Laser : Green 0.7mw Min, 42mw Max. Red: 0.7mw - 90mw Max. IR Laser : 0.7mw - 36mw IR Illuminator: 0.7mw - 90mw Proprietary cable will have to be tested, honestly my only gripe since I have so many other switches, sure unity will develop a hot button once there more available. The housing is now polymer + magnesium, RAID-X was full magnesium but there were several reports of the frame cracking which could explain the redesign. Black Phase has done an incredible comparison video against the Raid-x https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5_grZg2HB0 Not my photos but thought yall would like some. Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By dangrullon87: Had mine on order since August '21. Still waiting. Dealers got some preview models big drops are estimated for Mar '23... At least from what I've been told. These are for the full power models, god knows when the CIV models will drop. View Quote Hopefully they have their production runs going from the full power model to the CIV so that we'll see the CIV version by around the end of the second quarter or first third quarter of '23 (June/July). Provided Wilcox isn't going back to some DFAR contract run right after the full power open market drops. My guess is that companies like Wilcox may operate on indefinite quantity military acquisition contracts so that if DOD or some entity thereunder orders a batch up during a period they have to prioritize that over production for the open market. That combined with any supply issues with the foreign produced components could mean that it could be a very long time before we have civilian versions up for sale, but hopefully not. Hopefully I'm completely wrong. Overall, it's a shit position for us civilians to be in. These LAMs are significant in cost and it would suck to purchase a current production LAM from another manufacturer only to have the Wlicox then drop a few months later. However, vice versa it would suck to forgo the purchase of a LAM only to end up having to wait months, a year, or even longer to purchase a LAM. The civilian LAM market is absolutely abysmal. I'm really hoping that will start to change, but I'm not holding my breath. |
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Originally Posted By TNVC: You know, not that long ago ALL IR LASERS were restricted no matter what the power level was. Just saying... View Quote Vic, I read a while back about how TNVC has basically kickstarted the class 1 MFAL market for civilians. You guys have totally changed the game for the non-mil consumers! Now about those fusion pano’s…. |
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Originally Posted By TNVC: ...SNIP... The civilian LAM market is absolutely abysmal. I'm really hoping that will start to change, but I'm not holding my breath. View Quote You know, not that long ago ALL IR LASERS were restricted no matter what the power level was. Just saying... View Quote Is it because they are fixed focus? |
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An array of lasers to produce that, rather than 1, plus intimate knowledge of the range the measurements are taken at instead of limiting them at the emitter.
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Originally Posted By Millennial: I’m just curious as to why high-er power things like the MAWL and Kiji VCSEL illuminators are completely unregulated for civilian sales while higher powered IIIb “regular” laser illuminators are restricted. VCSEL illuminators are still lasers at the end of the day and they’re pushing IIIb numbers. Is it because they are fixed focus? View Quote Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: An array of lasers to produce that, rather than 1, plus intimate knowledge of the range the measurements are taken at instead of limiting them at the emitter. View Quote Really?!? Because if that’s the actual reason the. that seems very VERY much like meaningless semantics. Like… wafer/chip/quantum level semantics. Driver gives diode power, diode package shoots a certain quantity & wavelength of coherent light out the front, then lenses shape the beam divergence(s). It’s true for both and seems like semantics to say civilians can have one but not the other. Both diode packages can even have identical form factors as far as the unit is concerned… I just can’t imagine why the FDA would care what’s happening on the chip substrate level because it’s not like either is more or less dangerous than the other. Then again, gov regulating agencies rarely rely on things like logic to make decisions. |
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Originally Posted By dangrullon87: Had mine on order since August '21. Still waiting. Dealers got some preview models big drops are estimated for Mar '23... At least from what I've been told. These are for the full power models, god knows when the CIV models will drop. The specs are now published with their latest website update. Vis Laser : Green 0.7mw Min, 42mw Max. Red: 0.7mw - 90mw Max. IR Laser : 0.7mw - 36mw IR Illuminator: 0.7mw - 90mw Proprietary cable will have to be tested, honestly my only gripe since I have so many other switches, sure unity will develop a hot button once there more available. The housing is now polymer + magnesium, RAID-X was full magnesium but there were several reports of the frame cracking which could explain the redesign. Black Phase has done an incredible comparison video against the Raid-x https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5_grZg2HB0 Not my photos but thought yall would like some. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/382628/309309555_826052538424383_47822547976357-2561744.JPG View Quote Hey that picture looks familiar! I finally had the chance to get the XE mounted up a few days ago. With work I haven’t really had much time to play around at night yet. Will have some videos up as well with a side by side between the XE and the MAWL. First impression: it was well worth the weight. A few quirks though. First of all the remote switch is only designed to be mounted on a pic rail (3 or 9 o’clock) with no MLOK provisions and it isn’t really top mountable. Hoepfulky someone comes out with an adapter instead of having to use a Magpul 7 slot or the like. The hard dust cover is TIGHT. I mean it takes two hands to move it tight. I’ll probably be going back to the rubberized one. The illumination is fantastic. More in that when I finally get a video up with some more details. |
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Originally Posted By sveesix: Hey that picture looks familiar! I finally had the chance to get the XE mounted up a few days ago. With work I haven’t really had much time to play around at night yet. Will have some videos up as well with a side by side between the XE and the MAWL. First impression: it was well worth the weight. A few quirks though. First of all the remote switch is only designed to be mounted on a pic rail (3 or 9 o’clock) with no MLOK provisions and it isn’t really top mountable. Hoepfulky someone comes out with an adapter instead of having to use a Magpul 7 slot or the like. The hard dust cover is TIGHT. I mean it takes two hands to move it tight. I’ll probably be going back to the rubberized one. The illumination is fantastic. More in that when I finally get a video up with some more details. https://i.ibb.co/BGNj4BJ/1-E957-A70-9-A3-B-417-D-AE99-196-C3-E108-D0-E.jpg View Quote Awesome, thank you for taking the time to do that. Is this the full strength version or the civilian power version? |
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Triggering ability. The OP has it. LHA-2
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Originally Posted By TNVC: You know, not that long ago ALL IR LASERS were restricted no matter what the power level was. Just saying... View Quote I know Vic, and honestly if it wasn't for you and Matt Meyers we'd have nothing at all. Credit where credit is due. You guys have probably sold a literal Army Group size worth of LAMs to civilians over the years and it is appreciated. Just love to see some civi NGLS units and other small and feature rich LAMs like the Raid Xe. |
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Originally Posted By sveesix: Hey that picture looks familiar! I finally had the chance to get the XE mounted up a few days ago. With work I haven’t really had much time to play around at night yet. Will have some videos up as well with a side by side between the XE and the MAWL. First impression: it was well worth the weight. A few quirks though. First of all the remote switch is only designed to be mounted on a pic rail (3 or 9 o’clock) with no MLOK provisions and it isn’t really top mountable. Hoepfulky someone comes out with an adapter instead of having to use a Magpul 7 slot or the like. The hard dust cover is TIGHT. I mean it takes two hands to move it tight. I’ll probably be going back to the rubberized one. The illumination is fantastic. More in that when I finally get a video up with some more details. https://i.ibb.co/BGNj4BJ/1-E957-A70-9-A3-B-417-D-AE99-196-C3-E108-D0-E.jpg View Quote Oh, she's beautiful. Glad to hear that the full power is nice and yeah the proprietary switch is like "eh", but hopefully enough of these reach end users that an after market switch becomes a profitable venture for someone. Maybe the hard cover would loosen a bit over time? |
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Is there a delay between hitting the button and the thing actually activating?
I hated that so much on the RAPTAR along with the weak illuminator. |
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I'd buy that for a dollar!
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Originally Posted By spork: Is there a delay between hitting the button and the thing actually activating? I hated that so much on the RAPTAR along with the weak illuminator. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: I know Vic, and honestly if it wasn't for you and Matt Meyers we'd have nothing at all. Credit where credit is due. You guys have probably sold a literal Army Group size worth of LAMs to civilians over the years and it is appreciated. Just love to see some civi NGLS units and other small and feature rich LAMs like the Raid Xe. View Quote Understood and thank you. We continue to always put the commerical users on the forefront of getting restricted gear UNrestricted. So far we accomplished the following... - First ever IR laser varience with Laser Devices Inc. (Now Steiner) - First commercial ÀTPIAL-C release through L3 Harris/Insight - First commercial release of the GPNVG through L3/Harris - First commerical release of the ECOTI through Optics 1 (Safran Optics) - First full commerical release of the L3/Harris family of products, PVS-31's, 1531's and the M914's. I might have missed a few more BUT WE'RE NOT DONE! |
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Soooo sounds like the latest blast of inventory that hit dealers was red-laser civi models. Anybody got a confirmation from the safety sticker or manual on what the power outputs are?
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Originally Posted By jwramp: Soooo sounds like the latest blast of inventory that hit dealers was red-laser civi models. Anybody got a confirmation from the safety sticker or manual on what the power outputs are? View Quote @jwramp That was me you saw on reddit. Kosher Surplus has pics of the actual units but they're blurry. https://www.customnightvision.com/product/wilcox-industries-raid-xe-next-gen-laser-civilian-power/ I snagged a tan civilian variant. Hopefully it doesn't suck. Have had and used MAWLs, D2s, A3s and full power PEQ-15s. Wanted to try this. I'll take whatever pics yall want when I get mine. Spoke to Glynn over at NVI and mines shipping Monday and I'm paying for 2-day air. This is what I paid- Attached File These are the civilian model specs I pulled off the Wilcox data sheet today- Attached File |
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Benny at Kosher Surplus is making a comparison vid between the civilian RAID-Xe, the MAWL C1+, full power PEQ-15 and an NGAL.
Sneek peak pic they posted on their IG- Attached File |
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I'm anxiously awaiting some hands on user review. I'm ready to ditch my FP Peq for either a Mawl or one of these. Keep us posted!
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Originally Posted By Yeet-Cannon: These are the civilian model specs I pulled off the Wilcox data sheet today- https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241023/Screenshot_20221104_153729_OneDrive_jpg-2587498.JPG View Quote If those are indeed accurate, I wonder how they pushed >0.7mW out of the IR aiming laser. |
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