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Posted: 11/28/2023 6:44:42 PM EDT
I waited 10 business days.
Two rifles shipped 3 days apart. Only my 2nd and 3rd loss forms filled in 20yrs. The first was a rifle lost by UPS in 2019. Let see if they turn up. |
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Posted: 11/28/2023 7:11:17 PM EDT
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I think 10 days is plenty of time. Submit the lost package report to the carrier now.
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Posted: 11/28/2023 7:19:20 PM EDT
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I would report immediately to the carrier, telling them to find it in two days or you call ATF. Thats worked for me.
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Posted: 11/28/2023 7:25:41 PM EDT
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The customers reported the lost package to the carrier last week. I'm talking about reporting to the ATF. I hate being on their radar.
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Posted: 11/28/2023 8:34:30 PM EDT
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Do it now.
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Posted: 11/28/2023 8:45:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bigbore]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: Do it now. I sent the loss reports in this morning. I waited 2 weeks for them to show up. It seems like a no win. If I send the loss reports soon and they show up, I’m on the radar for no reason. If I wait and they don’t show up, atf will want to know why I waited.. |
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Posted: 11/28/2023 9:19:58 PM EDT
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UPS will be the one on the radar, not you.
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Posted: 11/28/2023 10:27:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: UPS will be the one on the radar, not you. I disagree. When I was audited last September, one of the first things said to me before beginning the audit was that I had a loss/theft report filed since the last audit. That was also a rifle lost by UPS, but it was first on my IOIs mind when they saw me. |
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Posted: 11/29/2023 11:36:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: I disagree. When I was audited last September, one of the first things said to me before beginning the audit was that I had a loss/theft report filed since the last audit. That was also a rifle lost by UPS, but it was first on my IOIs mind when they saw me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By DogtownTom: UPS will be the one on the radar, not you. I disagree. When I was audited last September, one of the first things said to me before beginning the audit was that I had a loss/theft report filed since the last audit. That was also a rifle lost by UPS, but it was first on my IOIs mind when they saw me. Well then don't report it to ATF. It's your call to comply with ATF regs or not. I'm not sure why you are worried about "being on the radar" for a firearm misplaced/stolen/lost by UPS. You are "on the radar" the minute you submit your FFL appl. |
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Posted: 11/29/2023 9:58:30 PM EDT
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Per ATF you have 48 hours to report missing firearms. I wouldn't delay.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/report-firearms-theft-or-loss |
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Posted: 11/29/2023 10:02:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HansohnBrothers: Per ATF you have 48 hours to report missing firearms. I wouldn't delay. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/report-firearms-theft-or-loss I'm familiar, but at what point is something considered lost in transit? We have all watched tracking numbers sit idle for more than 48 hours. |
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Posted: 11/29/2023 10:18:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: I'm familiar, but at what point is something considered lost in transit? We have all watched tracking numbers sit idle for more than 48 hours. When the carrier can't locate and touch the box, its lost. Reporting it to ATF means Joe Bidens dog shooters are going to bug the heck out of UPS to track down that package. |
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Posted: 11/30/2023 2:14:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: When the carrier can't locate and touch the box, its lost. Reporting it to ATF means Joe Bidens dog shooters are going to bug the heck out of UPS to track down that package. They found one this morning. 
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Posted: 11/30/2023 2:26:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: UPS will be the one on the radar, not you. |
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Posted: 11/30/2023 6:53:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gentleman4561: Not correct. So you think ATF will be up ADCO's butt when UPS actually took possession as the common carrier? Explain that theory as to how ADCO is responsible for UPS losing a firearm. This should be good. |
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Posted: 11/30/2023 7:23:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: So you think ATF will be up ADCO's butt when UPS actually took possession as the common carrier? Explain that theory as to how ADCO is responsible for UPS losing a firearm. This should be good. My take is that any and every contact with the ATF is a bad mark in my file. The more marks, the more attention I get. The local ATF agent called me today about the loss report. He started off by saying the last time we spoke was over the last gun I reported stolen that was lost in transit. Does the ATF give be an attaboy that they had no reason to talk to me in 5yrs, or do they just make a note that the last 2 times we spoke was over a missing firearm? I prefer to not do anything that invites the ATF into my life. |
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Posted: 11/30/2023 8:01:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DogtownTom]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: I prefer to not do anything that invites the ATF into my life. Yet you got your FFL didn't you? 
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Posted: 12/4/2023 8:13:53 PM EDT
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I've had two guns lost in 30 years.
First one was a DCM (now CMP) M1 Garand in the early 90s. It got Hodgkins Disease courtesy of UPS . This was before we had internet tracking, etc. It went to Hodgkins, Ill where it was stolen. ATF didn't care because I was not a dealer at the time; just a C&R. UPS and DCM were both useless. I was eventually refunded the money but dicked out of a $250 Garand. Last time was 8 or 9 years ago. A Colt SAA revolver. UPS showed delivered, wife said no one came by. I got home, checked with all my immediate neighbors and nothing. UPS got shitty with me, so I called ATF. They acted like it was no big deal and directed me back to UPS and told me to wait 48 hours. Being fed up with both, I called my county sheriff. Deputy took a report. I showed him the transactions, photos, etc. He would not put down the serial in case it turned up again because he said it was hard to take a serial number out of the system once reported. I took my copy to UPS and told them to expect a visit from the SO soon because they would want to speak with the driver. After I got home, the driver showed up at my house with the box with my gun in it. He claimed he accidentally left it at a vacant house on the wrong street because the house number was the same. Don't know if that was true or a bullshit cover story he came up with but I got it back. I told him to not sign for my shit any more unless he was going to make my house payment. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 10:59:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: I prefer to not do anything that invites the ATF into my life. You have posted more interactions with ATF than any other FFL I know. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:00:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX: You have posted more interactions with ATF than any other FFL I know. In 19 years I've dealt with them during 5 inspections and 1 lost in transit rifle. In the last 12 months I've had to contact them more than the last 19 years combined. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:01:45 AM EDT
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BTW - both missing rifles have been recovered and delivered as of 12/04.
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