Run by SMU operators, fielded by SMUs, super awesome, best ever engineered product, and they even have better chemists than anyone else? I’d be curious to see what their payroll looks like.
There are others in that thread claiming misalignment, also. Hopefully that’s an extreme minority.

It's interesting seeing how fast attitudes turned against them in the reddit machine.

Will read through that later, but based on his post history he's either the unluckiest guy in the world or just likes to complain a lot.

The hive mind is anything but self-aware.

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The non-concentric design presents an additional feature not found in suppressors of less cost, and presented a pleasant aroma to the staff of Pewp Science, and if subscribe and pay us extra we'll tell you how savory it was that they paid us to tell you it was.  

Silencer Summit season two or bust.  

Im guessing you skim a lot when reading?

Pretty much every discussion on reddit related to their product or brand has had a healthy amount of people bitching about their marketing, or bringing up questions about their warranty.

That current warranty thread isnt any different.

I don't spend a lot of time on Reddit but the bit I have seen had been a huge amount of people claiming the performance of the product with very little actually able to show it. I know it's reddit so I take it with a grain of salt.

(Not me or my videos.)

Alabama Arsenal got the WB ti to 530 degrees after only 15 rds with 1 second intervals and 648 degrees with only 20 rds with 1 second intervals.  

Alabama Arsenal WB TI

The Velos’ external surface seems to heat up at a rate faster than other cans of similar mass, also. I’d guess it’s because of the helical bypass path at the periphery. I’m also wild ass guessing because I haven’t measured anything. But it’s noticeable, in short strings.

The Flow 5.56k doesn’t sound remotely close to hearing safe, subjectively. It’s one of only two cans that I’m familiar with that sends me scrambling for earpro. If I’m standing behind the shooter and it’s loud, it’s even louder at the shooter’s ear.

Photos here

After a quick 48 hour approval I got to pick up an Inconel Cat WB at my LGS on Friday. To date my main 5.56 can has been a Turbo-K.  First impressions picking it up:

- It feels very sturdy. Also feels significantly heavier than my Turbo-K at 13.7 oz naked vs. 8.8 oz on the TK. That's a greater than 50% weight increase which is a bit more than I expected considering the listed weight for the WB but it's still not overly-heavy by any stretch.
- The baffle design and geometry are wild. Apparently they took cues from the natural gas and rocket propulsion industries and when I look inside it sure looks like it.
- The print quality looks good to my untrained eye although I did notice a little curly "hair" of inconel inside the blast chamber.  I was able to chip it off with a screwdriver. I am hoping that doesn't mean there are irregularities inside the suppressor where no eye can see.
- Using a Rearden Atlas and attached to my PWS MK111, the increased weight definitely changes the balance of the rifle. I am now wanting to get a DI SBR setup that is a bit less front-heavy to run as my main with this can to see if I can improve the balance a bit.  It's definitely not bad, I am nitpicking, but these are my first impressions.
- I also tried a Rearden R2 (full-size) flash hider and it appears to fit with HALF a millimeter to spare. This was surprising as the measurements I saw online suggested it wouldn't fit and I'd be restricted to the R2C shorter flash hiders. I checked with CAT and they said if it's not touching the baffle then run it but I may still opt for a shorter flash hider... better safe than sorry with a purchase like this.

I haven't gotten to shoot it yet so this is really just me being excited for the new can and sharing impressions with those who are curious. I originally had a backorder with SS for one of these, got impatient, cancelled it, ordered a Polonium-K from Capitol Armory like a dunce, then saw one of these pop up locally and got that too. So funnily enough, the Polo-K came in on the same day as this. It looks like a great can and I'm eager to try it out also but the WB understandably deflated much of my excitement for that one.

Happy New Silencer Day. The metal curly hair in the blast chamber is pretty common with CGS’s printed cans, so I personally wouldn’t sweat too much about it after removal. I think it comes from finishing the threads.

I ordered a spare end cap and spooky mount from Cat on Friday. They already have it moving and tracking. Good customer service experience.

Ah, good to know. And for the record, I asked about the R2 flash hider clearance and CAT had an answer for me in less than an hour on a Saturday. I'd say that's pretty responsive.

What a complete shit show.  Although it's about what I would expect from Reddit.

Interesting development

https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/s/6pi33P45TA

That is interesting......wonder if CA would comment on that?  

Anyways....going to hold off on these cans for now as I've already fell for the Dead Air hype train once....don't want to be fooled again.

ETA: The development is that Capitol Armory stopped taking pre-orders and selling CAT products.

Reply from the_CAT_official:

So CA just discovered CAT has a terrible margin and no longer wants to sell their product? Why would CA send the product back when they can't keep it in stock? CAT's explanation doesn't add up.

I see they removed the CAT stuff from their website today.  But yesterday, all they had in sock was the titanium suppressors.  And they had been in stock throughout the current buying frenzy.  If they can't move them, why wouldn't they send back whatever inventory they had, if CAT would take them back, and they were going to sever their relationship?  The inconel stuff has been out of stock for a while.

If I had to guess, it's high demand and not enough stock. I imagine they get bugged about CAT's stuff constantly and the trickle of supply can't keep up. From an overhead perspective, that's probably not worth the trouble. I for one called them twice asking about them before buying one locally.

Businesses don’t drop a product because demand is high. Perhaps it is, but that won’t be the reason.

I was suggesting because supply can't meet demand but you're probably right, there's more to the story we don't know...

I find it odd they sent all remaining stock back to CAT. Guess I'm back on the wait and see bench with CAT.

Did CA ever reply or state as to why they dropped CAT?

No, their account hasn't commented on that thread. Another non-SS distributor is picking up CAT.

I know Piece of Mind Guns has. I wonder if there’s another or only them.

Another, they were mentioned in addition to a new distributor.

Rumor is CA dumped them because CAT told CA they couldnt screw consumers as hard as CA wanted. Or as CAT very profesionally put it:


Reddit thread on it

Yep, that's what I posted up there ^ yesterday.

Ah sorry, I havent been paying much attention to this thread and missed that!

I don’t think Capitol is really in the game of “screwing” consumers. Obviously, they’re a business and have to make money in addition to paying people and dealing with paperwork, but are their margins really that crazy? I have access to dealer pricing elsewhere, and when I’ve dealt with Capitol as a regular dude, I didn’t think the pricing was out of line or anything. Its often on the low end of normal customer pricing, IIRC.

I’m not too inclined to believe anything CAT says, since much of what they say reeks of bullshit, and Capitol has had a pretty good reputation for quite some time without needing to rely on guerrilla marketing techniques that are dependent on long wait times and shills.

The fact that Capitol is quiet about this says something, since they subscribe to the old saying “if you can’t say anything nice, stop talking”.

Yeah, I was maybe a bit hasty in that reply. Normally I'd say a penny profit beats an idle employee. But given the changes to wait times CA may be in a position where they have more work than employees and are choosing to focus efforts on the highest margin products.

I want to make it clear I wasn't agreeing to that part of the quote above, I don't see any bad intentions by CA. I've bought from them before and have nothing but positive things to say about them as a customer.

I use CA and have no issues with them, but I think the above statement is not entirely true. Didn't they make an entire video out of talking sh*t and trolling Silencer Central for their form 1 looking stack on suppressors that were more in line as pistol suppressors than rifle suppressors?

Granted... I think they were right, but wasn't very nice things they were beating around the bush about.

I didn’t see that. I could very well simply be wrong in the quoted statement. But there also could be good business reasons CA isn’t talking about this much, and I’m inclined to suspect that they’re probably not who screwed up.

Just got the email that the WB 718 Inconel is in stock (as of 9am Eastern) at SS for anyone interested.

ETA: Gone in about 40 min

Hopefully as more of the Inconel version get into circulation we will get more casual youtube videos and end user reviews rather than mostly just influencers and dealers.

Just emailed to see if they filled my backorder and they put them out for sale without filling backorders.

Oh well.

Seriously?  Guess I’m probably in the same boat then.

Ayo what the fuck?

Ya, it's a shit show.  My back order didn't get filled either, meanwhile people who bought them yesterday, for the 30 minutes they were in stock have SN's assigned already.  I still haven't received any response from anyone at SS yet.

Hoping I can find one locally in a reasonable amount of time.  

I''m still pretty livid, and trying not to make any rash decisions, but I will probably end up closing my SS account over this.  And it's going to cosy my local SOT business as collateral damage.  He is a powered by dealer, who has done many transfers of suppressors I didn't buy from SS.  But the paperwork goes through them.  Never again.

I would be too. The whole point of backordering is so that when it comes back in stock, you get it next. Not getting skipped for the next guy who can buy one. Scummy behavior it seems.

For what it's worth, I got my notification last week for my WB 718s I had on BO for my shop.

So maybe they just dropped the ball. They have the ability to back date backorder, so they should be taking care of you guys. Just call em and be nice to whoever is on the other end of the phone.

Keep in mind they are 2 to 3 times busier than they were this time last year. The NFA world is currently on fire. Yes it sucks, but it is what it is.

I shot a ODB ti hub yesterday. We compared it to a hyperion and an old srd762ti.

Holy crap it was quiet. A little quieter than the hyperion to my ear. Host was a rattler. We eventually switched to the adverse setting to get them to cycle more reliably, but it made the hyperion and the ODB a little louder. The SRD was the only one out of the three that would cycle reliably on the regular setting.

We took videos but it was pretty windy, ill have to se if any footy is worth a crap.

Well, I guess I gotta take a hard look at getting one. WB 718s are on the way. I guess that's the next one to try.

Got to shoot the Inconel CAT WB over the weekend on a PWS MK111. First impressions:

Doubled up on earpro in a very overcrowded indoor range it sounded a bit better than my Polo K for sure. Not as big a difference as I expected, but it was noticeable. Polo-K on a 14.5 I'd rank 80 if WB on an 11.8 were 100. Granted it was very loud that day at the range, obnoxiously so. But where I was truly astounded was the back pressure and complete lack of gas... that was astounding. Coming from mainly a Turbo-K, the lack of gas to face indoors was magical.

PWS uppers have 3 gas settings: 1 - unsuppressed, 2 - mixed, 3 - suppressed. With a Turbo-K I'd always run setting 3 (with H3 buffer and Sprinco blue) and still get gassed out after a string of shots but with the WB I mostly had to run setting 2 as though it were unsuppressed. Setting 3 wouldn't work (not enough gas) until I switched to an A5 setup (BCM T2), after which setting 3 worked much better although I had one failure to feed which suggests there wasn't quite enough gas. I will say it was probably the softest, most pleasant-shooting setup I've ever shot though. Not sure if switching to a lighter buffer (BCM T1) will help me run on setting 3 but for duty/defensive use I'll likely crank up the gas to setting 2. Overall it was amazingly pleasant to shoot and really does seem to render other cans obsolete when weighing its performance and lack of gas.