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AZ, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2013 7:22:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 0uTkAsT]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freedom_Or_DEATH:
Anyone have experience with fame retardant and bug repellent camo? Just the flame retardant alone usually ups the price hundreds of dollars. There is a local Surplus place that sells Multicam flame retardant and bug repellant pants (the kind with adjustable knee pads) for $89. Is this the best deal on the planet or am I missing something? No, they are not used, BRAND NEW. How can a brick and mortar be so much cheaper than all the online places??? They could be mislabeled or knock-offs... I have seen a local surplus store in my area selling counterfeit items like this from China that came complete with fake tags and fake NSNs, so I wouldn't be surprised. Check them out good. If it is legit, buy them all and re-sell them! Even imported Propper FR BDU pants are upwards of $150+, the Barry compliant versions of the same are $250+... and Propper is the cheapest that I am aware of. |
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Posted: 9/20/2013 9:04:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 0uTkAsT:
They could be mislabeled or knock-offs... I have seen a local surplus store in my area selling counterfeit items like this from China that came complete with fake tags and fake NSNs, so I wouldn't be surprised. Check them out good. If it is legit, buy them all and re-sell them! Even imported Propper FR BDU pants are upwards of $150+, the Barry compliant versions of the same are $250+... and Propper is the cheapest that I am aware of. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 0uTkAsT:
Originally Posted By Freedom_Or_DEATH:
Anyone have experience with fame retardant and bug repellent camo? Just the flame retardant alone usually ups the price hundreds of dollars. There is a local Surplus place that sells Multicam flame retardant and bug repellant pants (the kind with adjustable knee pads) for $89. Is this the best deal on the planet or am I missing something? No, they are not used, BRAND NEW. How can a brick and mortar be so much cheaper than all the online places??? They could be mislabeled or knock-offs... I have seen a local surplus store in my area selling counterfeit items like this from China that came complete with fake tags and fake NSNs, so I wouldn't be surprised. Check them out good. If it is legit, buy them all and re-sell them! Even imported Propper FR BDU pants are upwards of $150+, the Barry compliant versions of the same are $250+... and Propper is the cheapest that I am aware of. Can't say much about flame-retardant clothes, except, IIRC, there are some home-made borax treatments that will afford some sort of flame retardant capability, as well as some insect retardance, although the latter has been superseded by permethrin treatments.. As far as insects go, there are a number of treatments on the market that will provide such, most of which are based on permethrin (sp?). |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2013 10:51:53 PM EDT
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If they are knock offs they are very good ones! I just bought some Marpat and this stuff is very similar in construction. Is there any stitch type/pattern thats a give away?
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2013 12:47:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 0uTkAsT]
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freedom_Or_DEATH:
If they are knock offs they are very good ones! I just bought some Marpat and this stuff is very similar in construction. Is there any stitch type/pattern thats a give away? If it feels like good shit then it's probably legit, maybe they had the prices wrong or got some kind of screaming deal on an overrun... hard to say. I was instantly able to tell the difference between the crap this local joint was selling and real Propper BDUs because of the poor quality seams/stitching and the fake plasticy feeling tags on the inside... they were the right color but weren't made out of the same kind of fabric material that Propper uses (I had a Propper boonie in my truck at the time so I was able to compare on-site). Those two things had me skeptical so I looked online with my phone to confirm the NSNs were fake here. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2013 9:30:16 PM EDT
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Well from a quality standpoint they look very much the same as my used MARPAT. They look like they are "used" as they look faded but the owner tells me this is because they are made from the flame resistant material and then bug repellant treated. Makes sense as side by side with the Propper (non-FR and non bug repellant) and used stuff it is definitely a different material.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/8/2013 5:02:04 PM EDT
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Anything new in the last six weeks? - in other words, bump
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Posted: 11/8/2013 10:20:04 PM EDT
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Unfortunately no. Been up to my neck in work and some things.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2013 2:54:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Freedom_Or_DEATH]
[#8]
Here are some of my pics comparing Desert MARPAT and ACU, surprisingly, ACU works a lot better than many would have you think in the Nevada Mountains:
Here are 4 boonie caps, Navy Blue ("control" so to speak), A-TACS AU, Multicam, Desert MARPAT and a backpack in 3 color desert: 
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Posted: 11/30/2013 6:56:04 PM EDT
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When available, you MUST test Multicam Tropic against evergreen trees and wooded areas during the late fall/early winter when pine and ivy are the only green vegetation surrounded in bare trees and leaves on the ground.
It's the closest thing we'll get to a woodland multicam. The only thing, really. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 12/12/2013 2:57:18 AM EDT
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Ill bet Marpat FG will be 99% as good and way cheaper, but not nearly as Mall Ninja approved...
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Posted: 12/12/2013 8:06:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oxmav3rickxo:
When available, you MUST test Multicam Tropic against evergreen trees and wooded areas during the late fall/early winter when pine and ivy are the only green vegetation surrounded in bare trees and leaves on the ground. It's the closest thing we'll get to a woodland multicam. The only thing, really. No promises but we'll see. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 8:07:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freedom_Or_DEATH:
Ill bet Marpat FG will be 99% as good and way cheaper, but not nearly as Mall Ninja approved... Marpat FG?? |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 12/12/2013 10:32:48 AM EDT
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to the guy who just posted a gazillion photos of the sierra nevada - looks like a gravel pit (kinda) so it makes sense that UCP didn't suck
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CO, USA
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Posted: 12/12/2013 1:51:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bradpierson26]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
Where were those taken? Sure wasn't the Sierra Nevada's. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By Freedom_Or_DEATH:
Here are some of my pics comparing Desert MARPAT and ACU, surprisingly, ACU works a lot better than many would have you think in the Sierra Mountains: Where were those taken? Sure wasn't the Sierra Nevada's. And the plot thickens! |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 12/12/2013 3:23:07 PM EDT
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Looks to me like the desert in southern California, Nevada, or maybe southern Arizona.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 12/12/2013 7:11:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Freedom_Or_DEATH]
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Originally Posted By RePp:
Where were those taken? Sure wasn't the Sierra Nevada's. I hope you are only referring to the Boonie cap pics! About 1/2 mile South of Creech Bombing range, basically right by the base of the Mountains in the first set of pics… Oh, I see the issue, it was late, sorry! Corrected... |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 8:07:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freedom_Or_DEATH:
I hope you are only referring to the Boonie cap pics! About 1/2 mile South of Creech Bombing range, basically right by the base of the Mountains in the first set of pics… Oh, I see the issue, it was late, sorry! Corrected... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freedom_Or_DEATH:
Originally Posted By RePp:
Where were those taken? Sure wasn't the Sierra Nevada's. I hope you are only referring to the Boonie cap pics! About 1/2 mile South of Creech Bombing range, basically right by the base of the Mountains in the first set of pics… Oh, I see the issue, it was late, sorry! Corrected... I agree though ACU does work well in sagebrush. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 10:17:05 PM EDT
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Whats your guys favorite snow camo?
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Posted: 12/12/2013 10:40:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By demon07nd:
Whats your guys favorite snow camo? Pencott Snowdrift hands down. |
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Posted: 12/12/2013 11:09:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: demon07nd]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hawkeye:
Pencott Snowdrift hands down. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hawkeye:
Originally Posted By demon07nd:
Whats your guys favorite snow camo? Pencott Snowdrift hands down. Is there anyone selling it? The Hyde Definition page just says its coming soon. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 12/13/2013 12:01:31 AM EDT
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I'd call a dealer:
http://www.hydedefinition.com/gear.html |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 12:08:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freedom_Or_DEATH:
I'd call a dealer: http://www.hydedefinition.com/gear.html Thanks for the help guys, I found where I could pre order it, but at $400 its to pricey for me. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:23:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hawkeye:
Marpat FG?? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hawkeye:
Originally Posted By Freedom_Or_DEATH:
Ill bet Marpat FG will be 99% as good and way cheaper, but not nearly as Mall Ninja approved... Marpat FG?? Man I am full of FAIL today! "woodland MARPAT"... Originally Posted By demon07nd:
Originally Posted By Freedom_Or_DEATH:
I'd call a dealer: http://www.hydedefinition.com/gear.html Thanks for the help guys, I found where I could pre order it, but at $400 its to pricey for me. Wholly CRAP! Does that come with Baby Oil to ease the pain? |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:43:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Hawkeye]
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Posted: 12/13/2013 8:26:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hawkeye:
http://domari-nolo.com/shop/signature-apparel/centurion-light-fighter-parka/ Thanks for the link, still costs a lot, but I'll have to save up for it. This was the only place I found it. http://www.checkpointcharliesurvivalsupply.com/cart.php?target=product&product_id=16294 |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 2:12:16 PM EDT
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Yeah, everything from Drop Zone is on the higher end cost wise. Good stuff, just not cheap.
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:27:35 PM EDT
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A little woodland DPM.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2014 1:03:48 AM EDT
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Be honest, you were hiding from your buddy, but he caught you poopin...
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2014 9:24:27 PM EDT
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I just got some Mandrake pants and see they will work great here south central NC, even fall and winter time. I'm thinking of going highlander and coyote for gear like battle belt and plate carrier. Curious if anyone has this setup or experience with it? Pics would be great. Thanks.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/11/2014 3:43:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OlKev]
[#31]
What's the story on the latest new Multicam patterns? Anything available yet?
The Multicam Arid would work well in West Texas.   Looks like a busy 3 color desert pattern |
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Posted: 2/11/2014 10:53:44 PM EDT
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No pics but multicam seems to work best in the upper midwest. Oaks, aspens and evergreens with alot of tall grasses and prairie flowers. Works well from spring unil the snow flies.
I've had very good luck with tru-spec. I have 2 pair for work (tan and khaki) that I wear everyday mon-fri for the last 2 years and they've not faded or worn through. Ripstop is nice when hot and wet but has zero insulation which isn't so good in early spring or late fall. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/12/2014 12:10:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dispatch55126: No pics but multicam seems to work best in the upper midwest. Oaks, aspens and evergreens with alot of tall grasses and prairie flowers. Works well from spring unil the snow flies. I've had very good luck with tru-spec. I have 2 pair for work (tan and khaki) that I wear everyday mon-fri for the last 2 years and they've not faded or worn through. Ripstop is nice when hot and wet but has zero insulation which isn't so good in early spring or late fall. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/17/2014 10:47:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By OlKev: Originally Posted By dispatch55126: No pics but multicam seems to work best in the upper midwest. Oaks, aspens and evergreens with alot of tall grasses and prairie flowers. Works well from spring unil the snow flies. I've had very good luck with tru-spec. I have 2 pair for work (tan and khaki) that I wear everyday mon-fri for the last 2 years and they've not faded or worn through. Ripstop is nice when hot and wet but has zero insulation which isn't so good in early spring or late fall. |
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Posted: 2/17/2014 2:53:57 PM EDT
[#35]
Know about it, yes. Only thing that's currently available though is MC Black. About the only one I'd be remotely interested in trying would be the Tropic.
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Posted: 2/17/2014 9:55:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: oxmav3rickxo]
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Posted: 5/7/2014 2:47:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2014 2:50:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hawkeye]
[#38]
Apologies for all the movement and swatting in the video. Freaking tiger mosquitoes were out in force and I forgot the bug repellant.
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Posted: 5/7/2014 8:21:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hawkeye:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wz-0HypXow
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/ATS/Tiger7_zpsa0cf266b.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/ATS/Tiger5_zps7e362927.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/ATS/Tiger6_zps11e106ec.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/ATS/Tiger9_zpsde00e75d.jpg It's not hard to see why most SOG dudes in Vietnam opted for hand-painted OD utilities in lieu of tiger stripe. It just did not work. Granted, Florida doesn't exactly have triple canopy, but one can get the idea. |
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Posted: 5/7/2014 8:37:02 PM EDT
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My uncle was a LRRP Ranger, and MAC-V. He seemed to like it about equal to altered OD's.
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Posted: 5/7/2014 8:44:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: myitinaw]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lew:
It's not hard to see why most SOG dudes in Vietnam opted for hand-painted OD utilities in lieu of tiger stripe. It just did not work. Granted, Florida doesn't exactly have triple canopy, but one can get the idea. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lew:
Originally Posted By Hawkeye:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wz-0HypXow
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/ATS/Tiger7_zpsa0cf266b.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/ATS/Tiger5_zps7e362927.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/ATS/Tiger6_zps11e106ec.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/ATS/Tiger9_zpsde00e75d.jpg It's not hard to see why most SOG dudes in Vietnam opted for hand-painted OD utilities in lieu of tiger stripe. It just did not work. Granted, Florida doesn't exactly have triple canopy, but one can get the idea. The choice was not theirs to make, my understanding is that MACV-SOG directives forbade the use of tigerstripes across the fence. But strangely.. ERDL's had been used across the fence prior to the closing of TF1AE, TF2AE, and TF3AE. |
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Posted: 5/7/2014 9:45:15 PM EDT
[#42]
http://pinesurvey.com/?p=313
PenCott Greenzone vs. Multicam Tropic vs. Flecktarn vs. Kryptek Mandrake |
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Posted: 5/8/2014 3:00:24 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oxmav3rickxo:
http://pinesurvey.com/?p=313 PenCott Greenzone vs. Multicam Tropic vs. Flecktarn vs. Kryptek Mandrake Interesting.... |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2014 11:54:39 AM EDT
[#44]
shit this thread makes me release i need like 3 patters of camo just fro my state....
this is soon to get expensive... 
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AK, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2014 2:48:52 PM EDT
[#45]
Excellent. Greenzone won hands down in that environment.
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Posted: 5/8/2014 3:59:48 PM EDT
[#46]
I use Multicam with most of my equipment, however , if you look at some of the reversible German SS WWII patterns, you'll see they would still come in handy. I have a reproduction SS Oak A pattern sniper smock.
FALL / WINTER side 
SPRING / SUMMER 
The advantage being the Germans really did do their homework on what patterns were effective, and I believe Oak A and B to be a superior choice even against modern camouflage. Note that Oak B Spring / Summer colors are almost identical to Multicam. 
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Posted: 5/8/2014 10:22:06 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HAGDADDY:
Interesting.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HAGDADDY:
Originally Posted By oxmav3rickxo:
http://pinesurvey.com/?p=313 PenCott Greenzone vs. Multicam Tropic vs. Flecktarn vs. Kryptek Mandrake Interesting.... Now somebody needs to make some Pencott Greenzone BDU's for less than $300 per set. It is very impressive in that comparison test. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 8:44:12 AM EDT
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The Pencott patterns have been my overall favorites for some time now, especially the Greenzone for my area. Availability of affordable BDU's and related items has been/is an issue though. I'm hoping that will be rectified this year.
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Posted: 5/9/2014 9:48:50 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By myitinaw:
The choice was not theirs to make, my understanding is that MACV-SOG directives forbade the use of tigerstripes across the fence. But strangely.. ERDL's had been used across the fence prior to the closing of TF1AE, TF2AE, and TF3AE. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By myitinaw:
Originally Posted By lew:
Originally Posted By Hawkeye:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wz-0HypXow
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/ATS/Tiger7_zpsa0cf266b.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/ATS/Tiger5_zps7e362927.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/ATS/Tiger6_zps11e106ec.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/ATS/Tiger9_zpsde00e75d.jpg It's not hard to see why most SOG dudes in Vietnam opted for hand-painted OD utilities in lieu of tiger stripe. It just did not work. Granted, Florida doesn't exactly have triple canopy, but one can get the idea. The choice was not theirs to make, my understanding is that MACV-SOG directives forbade the use of tigerstripes across the fence. But strangely.. ERDL's had been used across the fence prior to the closing of TF1AE, TF2AE, and TF3AE. Tigerstripes were definitely used by SOG members over the fence and found to be ill-suited to the environment. As effective as the Pencott offerings appear to be, it seems the interest for the Kryptek patterns is misplaced. That's my observation anyway. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2014 6:21:13 PM EDT
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MultiCam in the foothills with a OR bucket hat
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