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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:02:55 AM EDT
Anyone reloading 147gr 9mm for AR pistols?
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:57:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: wildearp]
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Yes. Win231 doesn't work so well and was unreliable for me. Unique and Win Autocomp work very well.
231 works well with 124gr slugs  |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 11:40:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: docslester]
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I have used 231. It wasn't the best but with care you can get it to work. Got it to work in my Banshee but it swelled cases to ruin. (Mostly a shortcoming of the
Banshee) Tightgroup worked better. As said Unique is a decent choice but dirty. BE-86 worked okay but I only tried it once. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 11:52:39 AM EDT
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I use my normal 9mm "bulk load" in my AR9 (3) pistols. Bulk meaning for my 9mm pistols.
I want my 9mm loads to work in any of my 9mm firearms. No special loads for AR9's. Either a 120 gr cast PC, or a 124 gr plated, or FMJ. I use either Power Pistol of True Blue. I quit using W-231 years ago as it burns so dirty in my loads. I tried 147 gr projectiles, and didn't see any advantage to using a bullet that normally cost more for no gain I could perceive. *Note I don't have or want a suppressor. But experimentation is what makes reloading fun for me. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:23:07 PM EDT
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There are quite a few powders that work well for 9mm 147grain so just start looking up burn rates and see what's working for others. Brian Enos forums has probably the most comprehensive discussions on pistol powders.
I've found that RNFP don't feed well in an 9mm AR platform but are great in handgun. Love the way 147g projectiles, and the right powder load. give a push back instead of muzzle flip. Can even get a 135 PF with the bunny fart loads. I've used different powders and have had good luck with CFE pistol, power pistol, ETR-7, and even tightgroup. Don't have my reloading book close by so don't remember the others I've used but there are many that work. There are tons of bullets out there from just about everybody. I've bought a lot of the Acme and X-treme bullets. Both are inexpensive, especially when they're running specials. For things like training, steel challenge, and USPSA, run whatever bullets you can get. The price does make a different when you're running thousands of rounds. You can always go to better quality bullets for marksmanship and self defense. Good luck and have fun experimenting with different combinations. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:58:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Piratepast40: There are quite a few powders that work well for 9mm 147grain so just start looking up burn rates and see what's working for others. Brian Enos forums has probably the most comprehensive discussions on pistol powders. I've found that RNFP don't feed well in an 9mm AR platform but are great in handgun. Love the way 147g projectiles, and the right powder load. give a push back instead of muzzle flip. Can even get a 135 PF with the bunny fart loads. I've used different powders and have had good luck with CFE pistol, power pistol, ETR-7, and even tightgroup. Don't have my reloading book close by so don't remember the others I've used but there are many that work. There are tons of bullets out there from just about everybody. I've bought a lot of the Acme and X-treme bullets. Both are inexpensive, especially when they're running specials. For things like training, steel challenge, and USPSA, run whatever bullets you can get. The price does make a different when you're running thousands of rounds. You can always go to better quality bullets for marksmanship and self defense. Good luck and have fun experimenting with different combinations. Feed ramp, mag issues? I'm talking 115 gr and 124 gr bullets. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 1:09:39 PM EDT
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I'm loading subsonic 147gr plated RNFP bullets. I tried RedDot, Titegroup, and Trailboss.
I settled on Titegroup, and have a load that is consistent at 990fps from a 5" barrel. Of the powders I tried, it was the quietest and best metering. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 1:38:27 PM EDT
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4.0 wsf and the 147 of your choice.
3.7 VVn320 and the 147 of your choice. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 1:53:57 PM EDT
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AR9 feeds from the same trough as the rest of the pistols, stiff load of Titegroup
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Posted: 5/7/2024 5:29:41 PM EDT
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I also need to mention, if you are planning to run suppressed, your sub loads may need to be at the higher end of the loading to cycle properly.
I also recall that with Unique, there was an older and much more dirty formula that changed to a less dirty formula. I was only using it because I needed it for .357Sig and had it in stock. When Autocomp came out, it solved a lot of problems for me as far as being consistent, clean burning, and adaptable to many different cartridges. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 5:36:48 PM EDT
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For my USPSA 9mm load I used 4.9 gr HS-6. It made minimum power factor requirements about 850 fps out of a 34 Glock. Functioned well with soft recoil for quicker follow up shots.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 5:52:32 PM EDT
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I've been using BlueDot for 147g loads.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 6:25:48 PM EDT
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VV 3N38 is useful for the 147 grain 9mm.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 6:46:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Creole_Cat: 4.0 wsf and the 147 of your choice. 3.7 VVn320 and the 147 of your choice. I’ve always used Accurate #7 for full power loads trying to replicate the velocity and recoil of 147gr HST. Recently I wanted to load up some lighter loads to get the kids shooting my SP5 and handguns so I bought a couple pounds of VV N320 as that seems to be recommended often. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:40:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: I’ve always used Accurate #7 for full power loads trying to replicate the velocity and recoil of 147gr HST. Recently I wanted to load up some lighter loads to get the kids shooting my SP5 and handguns so I bought a couple pounds of VV N320 as that seems to be recommended often. Ive just made some to test. 3.2g of N320, 147g RMR RN, 1.145". I'll be running them through my 8" AR9 with YHM R9 suppressor. If they don't cycle, I have some 3.3g to try too. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:05:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DDRanch: Anyone reloading 147gr 9mm for AR pistols? I'm assuming it's a blowback gun, but I'd guess if it's gas operated your answers might be quite different. You might want to specify here. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:51:33 PM EDT
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I use 4.65 grains of Power Pistol with Hornady 147 grain FMJ's/XTP bullets, seated @ their book's OAL"
This load runs 960 fps from a Beretta 92. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:55:31 AM EDT
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If you are looking for ammo to shoot thru a suppressed PCC or even a handgun then N320 is the ticket. In todays world VV powders are available and priced competitively.
I've loaded cast & coated 147's over 3.5 grains of N320 for years, shot mainly in MP5's of various flavors. On the opposite end of the spectrum if you want heavy hitting 147's then sure look at 3N38 (even 3N37) or other "slowish" powders. YMMV but fast heavy bullets in 9mm ain't my thing. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:41:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DDRanch: Anyone reloading 147gr 9mm for AR pistols? Yes sir, same load as for my carry and match pistols. I use Titegroup, 3.3-3.4gr (as I recall) with CCI SP. Quiet through an 8.3" EPC9 suppressed..... |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:23:39 AM EDT
[#19]
Tite-group is what I use for the MP-5.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:28:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Magoo6541]
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Yes. I had a SMG with 5" barrel that I would load subsonic 9mm.
147gr plated RN with Titegroup. When I couldn't find Titegroup, I was able to find and use CFE Pistol with success. ETA... my SMG was closed bolt... It was a M16 setup. Small Rifle was in abundance and I just used SRP in 9mm to ensure I wouldn't get a slam fire or anything. Probably wasn't necessary. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:41:31 AM EDT
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Thanks guys!
I just found some Montana Gold 147gr bullets a long with some Exteme plated ones. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:16:33 PM EDT
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Acme bullet is a low cost option for knocking down steel and plinking.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:21:12 PM EDT
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Had good luck with Blue Dot and 147s.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 3:42:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By networkguru: Ive just made some to test. 3.2g of N320, 147g RMR RN, 1.145". I'll be running them through my 8" AR9 with YHM R9 suppressor. If they don't cycle, I have some 3.3g to try too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By networkguru: Originally Posted By Mblades: I’ve always used Accurate #7 for full power loads trying to replicate the velocity and recoil of 147gr HST. Recently I wanted to load up some lighter loads to get the kids shooting my SP5 and handguns so I bought a couple pounds of VV N320 as that seems to be recommended often. Ive just made some to test. 3.2g of N320, 147g RMR RN, 1.145". I'll be running them through my 8" AR9 with YHM R9 suppressor. If they don't cycle, I have some 3.3g to try too. @networkguru Please let us know how it goes. That’s about where I was going to start with the same bullet. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:56:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DDRanch: Anyone reloading 147gr 9mm for AR pistols? Here is a recipe that I have settled on:  Attached FileIt’s the same ammo that I shoot in my Beretta 92’s. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 7:53:41 PM EDT
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I use Longshot for 147gr 9mm. It gives plenty of velocity. Tons of powders shoot accurately, but don't reach the speed needed for the hollow point to expand fully. I love HS-6 for 115gr and 124gr, but it doesn't give enough velocity with the 147gr bullets. It's faster than the Longshot in the lighter bullets.
Vitavhouri has some powders that reach very good velocities, higher than Longshot. I'll probably be trying one of those since they're cheaper than most other powders today, or near the same price. A max load of 4.7gr Longshot gets you 1,004fps. Nothing else from Hodgdon and the powder companies they're aligned with gives you anything close. The closest is 976fps. Most 9mm HPs need to be pushed well over 1,000fps to expand. If you load it a +P pressures, which I do for defensive ammo, Longshot will give you about another 75fps. I can't find the data though. It was in a powder book I have, but it's not online anymore. I'm not going to give out my data if it's not publicly available, because Hodgden may have pulled it for a reason. I'll keep that load for mine until I run out of Longshot that was bought when the data was available. It's stout. VV N105 has a max load at 6.4gr with a velocity of 1108fps. That's stout. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 2:32:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WeimaranerDad: Here is a recipe that I have settled on: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/369122/DF77335E-433A-429E-B739-474CA060EF1F_jpe-3209761.JPG It’s the same ammo that I shoot in my Beretta 92’s. I use the exact same load. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 1:40:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By networkguru: Ive just made some to test. 3.2g of N320, 147g RMR RN, 1.145". I'll be running them through my 8" AR9 with YHM R9 suppressor. If they don't cycle, I have some 3.3g to try too. My uspsa load is 3.35gr N320 with a 147gr FP blue bullet. It chronos around 880fps out of a 4.5" barrel. I'm curious what yours will chrono at out of the 8" barrel with a jacketed projo. I'm guessing around 850fps. Should be nice and quiet. N320 is a great powder. Meters nice for me and is really clean. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 1:45:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By savagemann: My uspsa load is 3.35gr N320 with a 147gr FP blue bullet. It chronos around 880fps out of a 4.5" barrel. I'm curious what yours will chrono at out of the 8" barrel with a jacketed projo. I'm guessing around 850fps. Should be nice and quiet. N320 is a great powder. Meters nice for me and is really clean. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By savagemann: Originally Posted By networkguru: Ive just made some to test. 3.2g of N320, 147g RMR RN, 1.145". I'll be running them through my 8" AR9 with YHM R9 suppressor. If they don't cycle, I have some 3.3g to try too. My uspsa load is 3.35gr N320 with a 147gr FP blue bullet. It chronos around 880fps out of a 4.5" barrel. I'm curious what yours will chrono at out of the 8" barrel with a jacketed projo. I'm guessing around 850fps. Should be nice and quiet. N320 is a great powder. Meters nice for me and is really clean. My results through a roughly 9" barrel; Caliber: 9mm Gun: MKE MP5 clone Load: 147 LFN Powder coated (Lyman mold) with 3.5 VV N320 powder & Wolf SP primer FPS: 992, 984, 986, 971, 986 |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 9:02:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-60: I use the exact same load. Same |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/17/2024 9:58:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: @networkguru Please let us know how it goes. That’s about where I was going to start with the same bullet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By networkguru: Originally Posted By Mblades: I’ve always used Accurate #7 for full power loads trying to replicate the velocity and recoil of 147gr HST. Recently I wanted to load up some lighter loads to get the kids shooting my SP5 and handguns so I bought a couple pounds of VV N320 as that seems to be recommended often. Ive just made some to test. 3.2g of N320, 147g RMR RN, 1.145". I'll be running them through my 8" AR9 with YHM R9 suppressor. If they don't cycle, I have some 3.3g to try too. @networkguru Please let us know how it goes. That’s about where I was going to start with the same bullet. Finally got to the range today. The 3.2g of N320, 147g RMR RN load worked great. I ran 25 through my AR9 with zero issues. Both unsuppressed and suppressed. And 5 rounds through the a G19 clone. No issues. I'll make some more to try a longer test. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/17/2024 10:01:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By savagemann: My uspsa load is 3.35gr N320 with a 147gr FP blue bullet. It chronos around 880fps out of a 4.5" barrel. I'm curious what yours will chrono at out of the 8" barrel with a jacketed projo. I'm guessing around 850fps. Should be nice and quiet. N320 is a great powder. Meters nice for me and is really clean. Thanks for that info. I dont have a chrono but am watching for a deal on a Garmin Xero. |
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