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Posted: 5/21/2014 11:04:00 PM EDT
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Screw it, I paper filed today Wise decision. |
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Posted: 6/2/2014 12:47:33 PM EDT
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Well, I mailed off the paper forms for my SDN6 today, which means eforms will be back up by tomorrow, wednesday at the latest.
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Posted: 6/2/2014 1:37:41 PM EDT
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Well, I mailed off the paper forms for my SDN6 today, which means eforms will be back up by tomorrow, wednesday at the latest. You're welcome Same here...YHM Ti-Phantom 
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Posted: 6/2/2014 2:31:39 PM EDT
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Well, I mailed off the paper forms for my SDN6 today, which means eforms will be back up by tomorrow, wednesday at the latest. You're welcome Same here...YHM Ti-Phantom Appreciate it guys. My next one had the F3 faxed in today, so I should be able to eFile the F4 due to the two of you. 
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Posted: 6/2/2014 4:46:08 PM EDT
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Appreciate it guys. My next one had the F3 faxed in today, so I should be able to eFile the F4 due to the two of you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, I mailed off the paper forms for my SDN6 today, which means eforms will be back up by tomorrow, wednesday at the latest. You're welcome Same here...YHM Ti-Phantom Appreciate it guys. My next one had the F3 faxed in today, so I should be able to eFile the F4 due to the two of you. so you your saying that eforms is coming back up this week with the form 1 and 4? Just trying to make sure i haven't gone completely stupid and the ATF has learned the ways of Six Sigma and move there operations into the 21st century. 
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Posted: 6/2/2014 6:28:04 PM EDT
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so you your saying that eforms is coming back up this week with the form 1 and 4? Just trying to make sure i haven't gone completely stupid and the ATF has learned the ways of Six Sigma and move there operations into the 21st century. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, I mailed off the paper forms for my SDN6 today, which means eforms will be back up by tomorrow, wednesday at the latest. You're welcome Same here...YHM Ti-Phantom Appreciate it guys. My next one had the F3 faxed in today, so I should be able to eFile the F4 due to the two of you. so you your saying that eforms is coming back up this week with the form 1 and 4? Just trying to make sure i haven't gone completely stupid and the ATF has learned the ways of Six Sigma and move there operations into the 21st century. No, eForms won't be back for months... BET! |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 2:40:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2014 2:42:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2014 2:50:34 PM EDT
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Don't get this thread locked. This isn't GD. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD? What does that mean? |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 2:51:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GD? What does that mean? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: GD? What does that mean? |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 6:15:30 PM EDT
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General Discussion. That's where the shenanigans happen. FYI. I'd think of removing that picture. It might violate the code of conduct. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD? What does that mean? Man nipples sadly do not violate the conduct code. 
Glad to see we're seeing typical Gov't efficiency in getting e-forms back online. 
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Posted: 6/16/2014 8:00:19 PM EDT
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Man nipples sadly do not violate the conduct code.
Glad to see we're seeing typical Gov't efficiency in getting e-forms back online. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD? What does that mean? Man nipples sadly do not violate the conduct code.
Glad to see we're seeing typical Gov't efficiency in getting e-forms back online. At this point, is it inefficiency or malevolence? |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 2:56:45 AM EDT
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At this point, is it inefficiency or malevolence? I'd wager they have orders from higher up saying not to make it a priority. 
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Posted: 6/17/2014 5:43:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd wager they have orders from higher up saying not to make it a priority. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At this point, is it inefficiency or malevolence? I'd wager they have orders from higher up saying not to make it a priority. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 5:51:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't heard a peep out of anyone about eforms in a couple of weeks, now. Did everyone just give up and go back to paper? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point, is it inefficiency or malevolence? I'd wager they have orders from higher up saying not to make it a priority. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 7:35:24 AM EDT
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is there a link or something we can monitor to see if it's up or not?
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Posted: 6/17/2014 8:17:05 AM EDT
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is there a link or something we can monitor to see if it's up or not? Sure. Just try to log into it. It's down on Wednesdays, and on all the other days all you'll see is the 6 & 6A. The easiest option is to just check this site...I'm sure there will be 100 posts and fireworks launching when it's back. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:47:31 AM EDT
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NFATCA posted this on facebook today
eForms Sit Rep ~~~ Directly from ATF: "Right now, we hope to bring the form 1 back soon, followed by the forms 2, 5 and 9 if the system holds up under an increased user burden. The forms 3 and 4 look to be down the road as ATF is exploring the creation of a new system for these forms (they were the two high-volume ones) – if that works, we would move the forms from the old system to the new." That doesn't give us a specific timeline, but it does give us a road map. IMO, it does not make sense to hope that eForms will be up soon for Form 4 filing. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 11:20:44 AM EDT
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NFATCA posted this on facebook today Quote HistoryQuoted:
NFATCA posted this on facebook today eForms Sit Rep ~~~ Directly from ATF: "Right now, we hope to bring the form 1 back soon, followed by the forms 2, 5 and 9 if the system holds up under an increased user burden. The forms 3 and 4 look to be down the road as ATF is exploring the creation of a new system for these forms (they were the two high-volume ones) – if that works, we would move the forms from the old system to the new." That doesn't give us a specific timeline, but it does give us a road map. IMO, it does not make sense to hope that eForms will be up soon for Form 4 filing. I don't understand why the .gov has such a problem propping up what can't be THAT big of a server. FFS, it's not rocket surgery.
Then I remind myself that this is something they in no way, shape or form benefit from having online/working.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 12:21:09 PM EDT
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NFATCA posted this on facebook today Quote HistoryQuoted:
NFATCA posted this on facebook today eForms Sit Rep ~~~ Directly from ATF: "Right now, we hope to bring the form 1 back soon, followed by the forms 2, 5 and 9 if the system holds up under an increased user burden. The forms 3 and 4 look to be down the road as ATF is exploring the creation of a new system for these forms (they were the two high-volume ones) – if that works, we would move the forms from the old system to the new." That doesn't give us a specific timeline, but it does give us a road map. IMO, it does not make sense to hope that eForms will be up soon for Form 4 filing. Isn't that who potentially screwed us all over with 41P? If so, I wish they'd just stay out of it. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 12:33:08 PM EDT
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Isn't that who potentially screwed us all over with 41P? If so, I wish they'd just stay out of it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NFATCA posted this on facebook today eForms Sit Rep ~~~ Directly from ATF: "Right now, we hope to bring the form 1 back soon, followed by the forms 2, 5 and 9 if the system holds up under an increased user burden. The forms 3 and 4 look to be down the road as ATF is exploring the creation of a new system for these forms (they were the two high-volume ones) – if that works, we would move the forms from the old system to the new." That doesn't give us a specific timeline, but it does give us a road map. IMO, it does not make sense to hope that eForms will be up soon for Form 4 filing. Isn't that who potentially screwed us all over with 41P? If so, I wish they'd just stay out of it. Yes. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 7:48:31 PM EDT
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Tired of waiting on nothing, filled out all the paper forms today. Hopefully we're not still at a year wait time.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 8:22:45 PM EDT
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Most people respond to incentives. The faster e-forms (F1 & F4) is back up, the faster the NFA branch creates more work for itself.
Long term we all benefit, short term, they have limited reasons to put a rush on it. Hope I'm wrong though. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 8:45:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most people respond to incentives. The faster e-forms (F1 & F4) is back up, the faster the NFA branch creates more work for itself. Long term we all benefit, short term, they have limited reasons to put a rush on it. Hope I'm wrong though. I dunno... processing a years worth of paper forms can't be easy or fun.. you'd think they would want to get it up ASAP so that they could do less work on paper! I hate working on paper if I can avoid it in my job. I'm guessing they are the same way.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:00:43 AM EDT
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I dunno... processing a years worth of paper forms can't be easy or fun.. you'd think they would want to get it up ASAP so that they could do less work on paper! I hate working on paper if I can avoid it in my job. I'm guessing they are the same way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most people respond to incentives. The faster e-forms (F1 & F4) is back up, the faster the NFA branch creates more work for itself. Long term we all benefit, short term, they have limited reasons to put a rush on it. Hope I'm wrong though. I dunno... processing a years worth of paper forms can't be easy or fun.. you'd think they would want to get it up ASAP so that they could do less work on paper! I hate working on paper if I can avoid it in my job. I'm guessing they are the same way. You're making the assumption that E-forms doesn't bring in a lot of people off the sidelines ("What the hell, I'll impulse e-file yet another SBR") which increases the overall workload and the resulting backlog, but your point is well taken. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:02:10 AM EDT
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eForms is not down by accident. Red tape is the real reason. You can't tell me that the richest entity in human history can't afford a decent software engineer.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:03:29 AM EDT
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eForms is not down by accident. Red tape is the real reason. You can't tell me that the richest entity in human history can't afford a decent software engineer. Also most in debt entity, but you're still right. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 7:54:52 AM EDT
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Well I may just have set record for time pending to time approved. I got an email yesterday saying my form 1 suppressor was in process and got the stamp today. One day from pending to approved!
Actually, this was a form 1 I saved in draft back in January. When the system came back up I submitted the draft in late April and my credit card was charged 4-29-14. Absolutely nothing seemed to be happening after that because I got nothing for notices. Previously you would get a notice saying "pending research" when your CC was charged then another saying "submitted/ in process" a few days later. I was pretty close to canceling the application and paper filing until I got the email "submitted/ in process" yesterday. Needless to say I was pleasantly surprised when I got the approval letter today. Created date (draft) - 1-24-14 Submitted on eForms & CC charged - 4-29-14 Submitted date according to eForms site - 6-18-14 Approved date - 6-19-14 |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 8:04:24 AM EDT
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Just got my first E-filed Form 1 back. Took just about four months. Way quicker than the old paper way.
Submitted 2/7 Approved 6/12 I'm happy :) Just one more form 4 pending that was submitted in early April so hopefully by mid aug if I'm lucky. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 10:20:53 AM EDT
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its back baby form 1 tho
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Posted: 6/24/2014 2:02:21 PM EDT
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its back baby form 1 tho It's a start. Filing away. 
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Posted: 6/24/2014 2:10:07 PM EDT
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Just submitted another form 1
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Posted: 6/24/2014 3:13:45 PM EDT
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Planning to pick up a dedicated 9mm lower and SBRing it, maybe a .45 also. That would go nice with my Octane 45 when it comes in.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 3:31:19 PM EDT
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I just submitted my form 1 earlier this month on June 2nd. Checks are already cashed, I called in today and they're not even pending. Anyone know if I should just tell them to cancel the paper forms and fill out the Eforms. Has anyone done this and what were the outcomes. The lady on the phone said that the paper forms have to be cancelled first and that takes a long time as well. Thoughts?
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Posted: 6/24/2014 3:44:09 PM EDT
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I just submitted my form 1 earlier this month on June 2nd. Checks are already cashed, I called in today and they're not even pending. Anyone know if I should just tell them to cancel the paper forms and fill out the Eforms. Has anyone done this and what were the outcomes. The lady on the phone said that the paper forms have to be cancelled first and that takes a long time as well. Thoughts? Get both. Keep that Form 1 in line and submit another eFile.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 3:47:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get both. Keep that Form 1 in line and submit another eFile. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just submitted my form 1 earlier this month on June 2nd. Checks are already cashed, I called in today and they're not even pending. Anyone know if I should just tell them to cancel the paper forms and fill out the Eforms. Has anyone done this and what were the outcomes. The lady on the phone said that the paper forms have to be cancelled first and that takes a long time as well. Thoughts? Get both. Keep that Form 1 in line and submit another eFile. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 3:54:04 PM EDT
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I just submitted my form 1 earlier this month on June 2nd. Checks are already cashed, I called in today and they're not even pending. Anyone know if I should just tell them to cancel the paper forms and fill out the Eforms. Has anyone done this and what were the outcomes. The lady on the phone said that the paper forms have to be cancelled first and that takes a long time as well. Thoughts? Get both. Keep that Form 1 in line and submit another eFile. I meant another lower... duh! |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 4:15:25 PM EDT
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Submitted my first Form 1 (paper or eForm) just now via eForm. Forms and workflow could be updated and made easier, but it worked. Pending Research status due to using an AR15.Com lower and the model name not matching exactly ("ARF-15" vs. "ARF15" in the listbox). Submitted a picture of the markings so I confident there should not be any issues or major delays.
I want to get my second Form 1 in, but need to get some other things done tonight. Is the system still down all day Wed? |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 4:21:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I meant another lower... duh! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just submitted my form 1 earlier this month on June 2nd. Checks are already cashed, I called in today and they're not even pending. Anyone know if I should just tell them to cancel the paper forms and fill out the Eforms. Has anyone done this and what were the outcomes. The lady on the phone said that the paper forms have to be cancelled first and that takes a long time as well. Thoughts? Get both. Keep that Form 1 in line and submit another eFile. I meant another lower... duh!  |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 6:30:39 PM EDT
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efile form 1 submitted....It was in draft status completely filled out from the day before it went down. Lesson learned. Haha.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 6:49:09 PM EDT
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efile form 1 submitted....It was in draft status completely filled out from the day before it went down. Lesson learned. Haha. You could have submitted your draft during the outage. I submitted two of them. |
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Posted: 6/27/2014 3:46:14 AM EDT
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I just submitted my form 1 earlier this month on June 2nd. Checks are already cashed, I called in today and they're not even pending. Anyone know if I should just tell them to cancel the paper forms and fill out the Eforms. Has anyone done this and what were the outcomes. The lady on the phone said that the paper forms have to be cancelled first and that takes a long time as well. Thoughts? I would leave it alone. God only knows how long efile approvals are going to take now. I submitted an efile form 1 the day it came back online and I mailed one yesterday just for giggles. We'll see how close they together they come back. |
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Posted: 6/27/2014 3:47:21 AM EDT
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efile form 1 submitted....It was in draft status completely filled out from the day before it went down. Lesson learned. Haha. You could have submitted your draft during the outage. I submitted two of them. I also did one and got it back a couple weeks ago. |
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Posted: 6/27/2014 6:22:54 AM EDT
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any news on form 4?
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Posted: 6/27/2014 7:35:12 AM EDT
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any news on form 4? Nothing official. |
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Posted: 6/27/2014 9:00:27 AM EDT
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any news on form 4? Nothing official. unofficial even?
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Posted: 6/27/2014 10:20:38 AM EDT
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unofficial even? Yes. Next Monday. Or 1/1/15. Can't remember what I heard.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 11:51:29 AM EDT
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Yes. Next Monday. Or 1/1/15. Can't remember what I heard.
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unofficial even? Yes. Next Monday. Or 1/1/15. Can't remember what I heard.
(That's as good a guess/rumor as I can start). I heard it was going to be back up the second Tuesday of next week. |
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Posted: 6/27/2014 2:41:33 PM EDT
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Quick question. If I have a trust already that I have a can on, I can obviously use it for a SBR. So when I fill out the form 1 for the SBR, do I just put the name of the trust on there? Do you have to send in any paperwork confirming the trust is real?
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Posted: 6/27/2014 2:58:19 PM EDT
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Quick question. If I have a trust already that I have a can on, I can obviously use it for a SBR. So when I fill out the form 1 for the SBR, do I just put the name of the trust on there? Do you have to send in any paperwork confirming the trust is real? There's a stickied, nice, picture walk-through in the General Class 3 section. Very easy to follow.
ETA: This is for an eForm 1, which since you have a trust, is a no-brainer. |
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