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Posted: 10/25/2007 6:47:04 PM EDT

[#1]

The three From Hell cartridges----
My 28GA FH, 2nd Our 12GA FH, can
you guess the 3rd?. What do readers think. Ed

Posted: 10/25/2007 7:47:35 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
The three From Hell cartridges----
My 28GA FH, 2nd Our 12GA FH, can
you guess the 3rd?. What do readers think. Ed

www.gunownerstv.com/8fh.jpg

10 Gauge or... 8 Gauge ?

Posted: 10/25/2007 8:25:47 PM EDT

[#3]

A brass tube full of pain and awesome.

Posted: 10/26/2007 6:53:10 AM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
A brass tube full ~~of pain and awesome.~~ whoopass.

Posted: 10/26/2007 8:20:56 AM EDT

[#5]

8 ga. industrial slag / vat cleaner round with the belt turned down.

Olin mfg.

Posted: 10/26/2007 7:43:07 PM EDT

[#6]

It is the 8GA From Hell, a real cartridge. 4.3 inch long
brass case. 8 ga shorter plastic case, plan on in same chamber.
The brass kiln gun case isn't as long as mine. Where do
you find the rare 8 ga brass kiln gun cases.
Looking now for guns or actions and barrels. I make it
from 20mm Suzy brass(20mm Hispano Suiza), by putting
on a 8ga size rim and reshaping like we did 12GA FH....Ed

Posted: 10/27/2007 5:58:41 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
It is the 8GA From Hell, a real cartridge. 4.3 inch long
brass case. 8 ga shorter plastic case, plan on in same chamber.
The brass kiln gun case isn't as long as mine. Where do
you find the rare 8 ga brass kiln gun cases.Looking now for guns or actions and barrels. I make it
from 20mm Suzy brass(20mm Hispano Suiza), by putting
on a 8ga size rim and reshaping like we did 12GA FH....Ed

Here

Posted: 10/29/2007 7:01:40 PM EDT

[#8]

Here is pic of a bolt action bmg upper that will
do our 700HE and 12GA FH. Looks strong and
priced a $1000 now, Just change barrel, decent price
compared to others.Ed

Posted: 11/4/2007 7:55:11 PM EDT

[#9]

8ga, we gonna do a couple, first one a test
gun in an Enfield with rear locking lugs.
All locking is in the rear, it is not exactly like
my 700HE one, all lugs seats gone in the
front like a Mauser shotgun.
May have a way to get barrels 'fast'---
fast being like 2 weeks, from the time I
have money to do it. And only about
150 bucks each.......Am working on it.
In pic you see long case sticking out of
the action, a couple 8ga plastic cases, a
couple of the 8ga kiln slugs, 3 oz and
hardened. Am looking for a slug built like the
Federal 10 ga one that has rounded nose and
hollow base, that will fit bores tight.
The barrels I am working deal on will be smoothbore.Ed

Posted: 11/5/2007 3:39:45 AM EDT

[#10]

Am looking for a slug built like the
Federal 10 ga one that has rounded nose and
hollow base, that will fit bores tight.

To get an 8 ga. Foster style slug w/ HP that will ensure obturation, you will most likely need to commission a custom mold and cast your own using a relatively soft alloy.

The good news is it should only be a couple hundred bucks, more for multi-cavity. The bad news is that you have to cast your own.

You may also need a custom sizing die, depending on how close you can hold tolerances with the mold, and the hardness of the alloy.

I'd call Olin on a Friday afternoon and see if you can get a tech on the line who like to talk shop.

Posted: 11/9/2007 7:51:19 PM EDT

[#11]

I found a guy who casts some that may be what i want,
will know in a few days.Finally my Long Tom slug gun.....Ed

Posted: 11/12/2007 7:12:20 PM EDT

[#12]

We're going to test smoothbore slugs in 87
like these Brenneke KOs with our special
powder loads to get velocity up. Many guys are
getting accuracy with these in smooth and
rifled barrels, and I going to see if they
will stay together and be stable with speed added.Ed

Posted: 11/13/2007 7:11:34 AM EDT

[#13]

Use the black &/ or gold colored Brenneke slugs in any rifled barrels. Otherwise you gonna end up with some SERIOUS leading. And the slug will just strip past the lands once you get much past 1700 fps.

Posted: 11/13/2007 8:06:25 PM EDT

[#14]

The first barrel shown on 87 is smoothbore so i can test different
softer slugs that are advertized for smooth. I fired Brenekke KO
soft slug in rifled NEF at 2000 fps.and there was no leading.
That locked on wad seems to cut leading. Others say the same.
I bought the slugs rounds for 55 gents each and took slugs out and
reloaded with our experimental loads. In the long smooth barrel,
I think in 3" plastic 2400 or more.Ed

Posted: 11/18/2007 9:40:22 AM EDT

[#15]

Got an 8ga barrel blank being made now,
will be here end of the week.Found this
info on plastic 8ga kiln gun loads, they
load a frangible 710gr slug at 2300-
for 8300ft lbs, load 1275gr hard slug to
1700, 8100 ft lbs. We will outdo those easy
with our non-shotgun powder loads, in
a heavy barrel.Ed

Posted: 11/30/2007 6:17:04 PM EDT

[#16]

Tested 35" smooth barrel in 1887. Got couple
1 oz foster slugs over 2400, with 110gr
of 4227. 3" plastic case, regular primers.
This is a heavy barrel for that type of load,
don't do this in your 12ga skinny barrels.
The 28GA FH cases on the way.Chambering
bolt gun for it now..Ed

Posted: 12/5/2007 8:19:24 AM EDT

[#17]

In the 87 long smooth barrel got
1 oz Brenneke to 2400 with 110gr
of 4227, You could use 4759 and
VV110 also at lesser amounts.
Barrel is cylinder bore size.
Brenneke slugs need no wads as the
locked on wad works good.Ed

Posted: 12/11/2007 9:36:18 PM EDT

[#18]

In the long barrel 87 got 600 grain
Dixie over 2000, got a Buckhammer slug
I took out of factory load over 1900.
Buckhammer and locked on wad is 630
gr. Tested in 3" plastic cases.

The firing pin on the 87 didn't protude out
like I like them to as it comes from factory,
so I removed .015 from the hammer stop.
It fires big and small primers perfect.Ed

Posted: 12/20/2007 9:26:53 PM EDT

[#19]

10GA FH..a NEF 10ga, medium to heavy wt smooth barrel.
28" long, gun weighted to 14lbs. factory FED 765gr loads
are 1300 fps. 200 gr of first powder tested is 7383 surplus
and the regular shotgun primers got 765 gr to 1600,
for 4300 ft lbs. Case won't hold anymore 7383.
We will test 4227 with the same slug , and saboted slug
of some design. The 765 gr Fed slug is hollowbase for
smooth bores. Roll crimped with crimper in drill press.
Case expansion with 7383 very little(.006") like
the factory loads. 3.5" plastic cases.Ed

Posted: 12/23/2007 4:03:53 PM EDT

[#20]

10GA FH info.Fed factory hollowbase slug is .025" smaller than
10ga bore. I bumped it up to the .775" size, by expanding
hollow base. With 7383 that gave another 150 fps.Fast starting
shotgun powders expand base better than much slower 7383.
The Federal factory load has 120gr of wads/seals about 1.4"
long. Better to replace with much more slower powder,
getting better velocity, still at low shotgun pressures.Ed

Posted: 12/29/2007 4:47:56 PM EDT

[#21]

Look real close at the bases of these
cases. What do you see. Comments...Ed

Posted: 1/1/2008 8:49:54 AM EDT

[#22]

First two cases are ours we had made by putting rims on bmg
brass, The right ones a santa sent me and appear to be
drawn, high strength case that are same dimensions.
Are they worth rounding up, seeing as how the guy
who made our first bunch just closed and retired. .......Ed

Posted: 1/1/2008 2:40:28 PM EDT

[#23]

Any word on use of Saiga 12's? I'm thinking about loading up some brass from Rocky Mountain Cartridge

I'm thinking 3'' shells with 600gn Slugs.

I need advice on powder and a way to crimp the shell.

Also a powder that works best in an 18'' barrel.

I'm also getting a swage press in the next 3 months so I may be making slugs soon.

Posted: 1/1/2008 4:50:47 PM EDT

[#24]

SOC- A Saiga will have to be future project, got
10 other projects ahead. As for loads for 3" RMC brass,
with 600 gr slugs, start at 90 gr of 4227. For crimping I use a swage
type crimp to force brass against slug as opposed to rolling the
case mouth over the slug or into groove-- cases are too thick
to roll and last very long doing it. Ed

Posted: 1/4/2008 10:01:22 PM EDT

[#25]

In 10GA NEF 110gr 4227 got 765gr slug
to 1800, ejected ok. If it was a really
heavy barrel it could do more.Using the
7383 surplus at 150 gr, don't even have
to resize to fire 3 times. The 28GA FH
done and testing in next couple weeks.Ed

Posted: 1/9/2008 2:53:21 PM EDT

[#26]

Fired 28GA FH-- Cases extract easy.--It is
in bolt action Enfield. With 550gr jkt slug,
full load 150 gr of WC-860, got 1900 fps.
This will be slowest load and powder.
In picture is 3.25" brass 28ga cases, regular
28ga plastic case, jkt slugs, a 458Win
for comparison.Regular cases work also.Ed

Posted: 1/12/2008 2:23:44 PM EDT

[#27]

28ga cases are made by Rocky Mtn Cartridge,
Barrel is rifled with 4 grooves, 1-22 twist.
You could do one on Savage 210.Another
shotgun bolt action that would handle it
with little work, heavy barrel, is the
395-495-595-695 bolt action Mossberg.
Just show that 28GA FH isn't puny, here is
picture of it next to a 505 Gibbs.Ed

Posted: 1/18/2008 6:24:34 PM EDT

[#28]

Here is picture and info on Royal
Arms' site for hopped up 12ga loads,
used in little cannons for bomb work.
Anyone got any of these fired that I could inspect to see how they are built.ED

http://www.royalarms.com/EOD/ammo/canonammo.gif

Posted: 1/19/2008 12:21:46 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
Here is picture and info on Royal
Arms' site for hopped up 12ga loads,
used in little cannons for bomb work.
Anyone got any of these fired that I could inspect to see how they are built.ED

http://www.royalarms.com/EOD/ammo/canonammo.gif

Awesome work as always.

Posted: 1/21/2008 7:21:14 PM EDT

[#30]

Here is a neat gun for you pumpgun guys,a
rifled slug gun by Ithaca. Looks nice, seems
good quality.It will handle our heavy
plastic case loads.Ed

Posted: 1/27/2008 7:21:07 AM EDT

[#31]

I like the Savage 210 so I'm putting
a 700 barrel on one and chambering for
my 700H 3.25 case. Working on it now.
Should get the same energy levels as
the 12GA From Hell case in same action.
In pic is 700H case in the action. Ed

Posted: 1/27/2008 7:42:19 AM EDT

[#32]

tag

Posted: 1/29/2008 9:12:39 PM EDT

[#33]

Here is pic showing process of making my
700cases from BMG brass.Shows the steps,
first bmg case, next the belt formed, last case
expanded to 700 cal with slug.
An 06 case on right for comparison.Ed

Posted: 2/5/2008 7:29:00 PM EDT

[#34]

28GA FH research. Guy on forums suggested using 54cal
rifled barrels for 28ga as they are easy to get. I looked into
it and did some testing. It is ok as long as you keep bullet
about 400gr as most 54cal barrels are not super alloy.
You got to use the thick heavy ones also, being stronger.
And everyone with 28ga wants slugs and there is no slug loads
from factory, and to reload the heavier bullets we shouldn't use
these barrels or regular 28ga barrels with 600-700 gr slugs.
But there are couple dozen 54cal bullets out there
stocked all over the gunstore shelves, in weights from 300 to
450 gr. There are heavier but for 28GA FH on deer 400gr is
great. I tested the 405 gr copper plated Powerbelt brand, with
velocities from 2300 to 2800 plus fps. That's 6500 ft lbs.
The 54cal slugs load tight in the RMC 3.25" 28ga case fine by
sizing top a little tighter. Bullet obturates to fit .550 bore
as bullet is hitting target straight. A lot of 54cal barrels
go from 530 to 560. 54cal slugs range from .534 to .560"
There are different sizes of 28ga barrels and chokes,
so some where there is lighter 54cal slug that fits..
And with light slugs the pressure limits with the MRC brass
match top muzzle loading pressures, so these barrels will work.
And great thing is the 54cal barrel guys ain't allergic
to making long barrels. I've shot one MRC case 15 times and
still going strong...Ed

Posted: 2/11/2008 7:05:25 PM EDT

[#35]

28GA FH testing. 405 gr in 2.75" plastic case
got 1400. Tested the Great Plains 54cal
lubed slug, runs from 2200 to 2700. It is
by Hornady and its front band actually measures
.550" and hollowbase. They hit target straight.
Got a bunch of 415gr hollowbase coming that
are 548" from Dixie Gunworks. Only 26 cents each.
All will work in plastic or long brass
case. I found another .550 bbl and coming, and
it will go on a Mossberg 12ga bolt action
for the second 28GA FH to test.. Ed

Posted: 2/12/2008 4:35:08 PM EDT

[#36]

wow!! just wow!!!

Posted: 2/18/2008 7:34:22 PM EDT

[#37]

Tested the 415 gr hollowbase slugs in 28GA FH long
brass case. These are ones that Dixie Gunworks sell
that they call their Sharps .548" slug. They all run
about .008 bigger than that so they make perfect tight
fit for .550" barrel, and I used a good lube on them
in the grooves. Same speeds as above for GPs.
They are a little harder alloy slug than
the Powerbelts or Great Plains The 28ga shellholder
for our Lee, Lyman, Rcbs presses , we use, is from
RCBS for regular metallic press rams. For 28ga dies
Hollywood made some for metallic presses.Also for
sizing for bottom 2/3 of the brass case you can cut
top off of the 500J die.The slower powder loads don't
even have to have the bottom half sized, which
is great for a turned case. If we had drawn brass cases
we could get 11,000 ft lbs, in the Enfield, which we
don't really need for deer. 4-6000 ft lbs ok/deer ..Ed
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Posted: 2/19/2008 7:29:20 AM EDT

[#38]

Posted: 2/23/2008 6:16:23 PM EDT

[#39]

I get asked about hopping up 410s with brass cases.
A good drawn case is 9.3 x 74R. It'll work in 3"
410 chambers or shortened for shorter chambers.
I am not doing any, just passing on info.Ed

Posted: 2/28/2008 7:59:56 PM EDT

[#40]

Here is picture of a jacketed hollowpoint
12ga slug a fellow is going to make for us.
We hope to have tooling set up this summer
we plan on. Next to it is a 600gr Dixie hardened
slug. First ones he will probably make will
be about 700-750 gr.Ed

Posted: 2/29/2008 2:59:19 PM EDT

[#41]

If there isn't a F/A belt fed version, I'll stick to plinking with Barretts.

Posted: 3/1/2008 9:19:26 PM EDT

[#42]

Well Barretts, McBros, etc can be rebarreled to my
700HE. Got a guy doing a BMG bolt upper into one.
22,000 ft lbs, and that kinda energy don't need real fast
firing, real serious plinking.Ed

Posted: 3/4/2008 9:08:58 PM EDT

[#43]

The hollow pointed slug above can have a
light plastic/rubber nose for streamlining for
better BC, for 2-300 yard shooting.
In the 87 Win Levergun, smooth barrel,
long barrel, using brass RMC 3" cases,
1 oz Brenneke KO slug to 2700 with 4227
powder. Shotgun primer. I will be getting
some 3.5" RMC brass that he will put a special
longer corner radius in, to allow faster loads
with less case expansion and easier resizing.
Should get same slug to 3000 and resize
easier also. With shotgun primer able to use
4227, and you WON"T have to rework hammer
or firing pin to do big primers.ED

Posted: 3/6/2008 12:46:20 PM EDT

[#44]

I just noticed this thread and had to read the whole thing.
All I can say is, "FUCK!!11!!"

Posted: 3/11/2008 4:53:58 PM EDT

[#45]

Santa sent me 9 more PROP cases used in little
cannons for bomb disposal. In pic, 2 on the left
are our originals, next 3 are resized PROP
cases, exactly matching ours, and then 9
to be resized. Ed

Posted: 3/19/2008 8:41:29 PM EDT

[#46]

Here is picture of the Enfield bolt,
showing the 2 rear lugs I added.
The huge bolt handle base is 3rd lug.
Bolt handle needs polishing.This one
will be in the action for the 8GA FH.Ed

Posted: 3/21/2008 3:54:31 PM EDT

[#47]

Awesome project and awesome thread. Keep us updated!

Posted: 3/26/2008 5:51:58 PM EDT

[#48]

Here is picture of the 4 slugs I've used in
the 28GA FH load developement in the
3.25" long brass case and they
also work in the plastic cases. Ed

Posted: 3/26/2008 6:10:07 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:
Here is picture of the 4 slugs I've used in
the 28GA FH load developement in the
3.25" long brass case and they
also work in the plastic cases. Ed

www.gunownerstv.com/28sl.jpg

Is there anyone that I can buy some FH rounds from that are loaded 2.75 OAL

IE Standard 3'' is 2 3/4in OAL and 3'' after being fired.

Hot plastic hull would be good.

Hot brass hull would be great.

And a hot brass hull crimped around a 600-750gn slug "Huge rimmed pistol/rifle round" would be SIC!

Looking to feed them in my Saiga-12 after the rest of my parts come in from Dinzag

O I'm in NC if the potential seller would like to do a little face to face.

Posted: 3/27/2008 6:23:31 PM EDT

[#50]

I'm not legal to sell loaded ammo. To get hairy loaded
slugs of that weight you can contact Dixie Slugs.
They load 3" cases that are about 2.7" loaded.
Another one is the hot loaded REM factory Buckhammer
slugs.They are about 630 gr. When you get something post
on here how it works.Ed

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