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Link Posted: 4/24/2014 7:08:42 AM EDT
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That Henry looks pretty slick  --- I  want to try one   one of these days in .45    -----   one would look very cool with a 24 or 26" tube --- although with those octagon barrels, it would weigh quite a bit for a pistol caliber carbine
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I've got a Uberti 24" Special Sporting Rifle with an octagon barrel and because the 45 colt requires a large bore diameter, it weighs only 8lbs 1oz as you see it here, however, the Henrys are much heavier for some reason.






 
 
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 8:47:04 AM EDT
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My henry is around 8lbs. But like i said before; used to lugging around milsurp rifles around so it doesn't feel heavy to me.
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 4:51:18 PM EDT
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Threads like these make me appreciate the Marlin 1894 I lucked into in .38/.357 about five years ago... 150$ JM marked.

Took a bit of tinkering to find a cast load it likes... It's a laser now.

Bought it from a friend who is not a gun nut.  I went back and offered him another 500$ when I found out the going rate,... He declined.
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 7:49:15 PM EDT
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Threads like these make me appreciate the Marlin 1894 I lucked into in .38/.357 about five years ago... 150$ JM marked.

Took a bit of tinkering to find a cast load it likes... It's a laser now.

Bought it from a friend who is not a gun nut.  I went back and offered him another 500$ when I found out the going rate,... He declined.
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Why are the .44 versions 3 - 400 bucks less than the .357's?   Ammo choice?  Recoil?  Rifling twist?   ---    357 94's are going for cocaine prices while the .44's are still down there with the ditch weed (more or less)
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 9:13:29 PM EDT
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Why are the .44 versions 3 - 400 bucks less than the .357's?   Ammo choice?  Recoil?  Rifling twist?   ---    357 94's are going for cocaine prices while the .44's are still down there with the ditch weed (more or less)
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Threads like these make me appreciate the Marlin 1894 I lucked into in .38/.357 about five years ago... 150$ JM marked.

Took a bit of tinkering to find a cast load it likes... It's a laser now.

Bought it from a friend who is not a gun nut.  I went back and offered him another 500$ when I found out the going rate,... He declined.


Why are the .44 versions 3 - 400 bucks less than the .357's?   Ammo choice?  Recoil?  Rifling twist?   ---    357 94's are going for cocaine prices while the .44's are still down there with the ditch weed (more or less)



If you can score me some ditch weed i'd be a happy camper. 18 or 20" bbl works for me. TIA.
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 10:29:16 AM EDT
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If you can score me some ditch weed i'd be a happy camper. 18 or 20" bbl works for me. TIA.
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Threads like these make me appreciate the Marlin 1894 I lucked into in .38/.357 about five years ago... 150$ JM marked.

Took a bit of tinkering to find a cast load it likes... It's a laser now.

Bought it from a friend who is not a gun nut.  I went back and offered him another 500$ when I found out the going rate,... He declined.


Why are the .44 versions 3 - 400 bucks less than the .357's?   Ammo choice?  Recoil?  Rifling twist?   ---    357 94's are going for cocaine prices while the .44's are still down there with the ditch weed (more or less)



If you can score me some ditch weed i'd be a happy camper. 18 or 20" bbl works for me. TIA.


Sorry for the drug analogy - i just watched 5 episodes of Breaking BAd in a row .   -----     But yeah, the .44's arent exactly cheap either, with tattered looking ones going for $400 and $600 or so being more the norm, --- but those 357 prices- wow ----   I know i should stay off of Gunbroker,  but 1000 bucks for an 1894 357 starts making the newly introduced Winchester 1873 seem like a viable option

Steve -- your '73 looks perfect     -  I'd like as long a barrel as i could get with a forward mount Malcolm scope --- (i assume they are top eject ) ---    That would fulfill my Quigley fantasies at the range  for less cost than shooting 45/70's
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 1:57:59 PM EDT
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Steve -- your '73 looks perfect     -  I'd like as long a barrel as i could get with a forward mount Malcolm scope --- (i assume they are top eject ) ---    That would fulfill my Quigley fantasies at the range  for less cost than shooting 45/70's





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Thanks for the comment, however, I feel obligated to mention that the Uberti 1873, being a copy of the original though made of modern steel, still has a action design that is no where near strong enough for the heavy 45 Colt loads that come close to the 45/70 level.  These actions were designed for the
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14,000-16,000psi level loads of the original black powder cartridges which produce bolt thrust levels of around 2,400lbs.
A std 45 Colt cartridge loaded at no more than 14,000psi produces a bit more bolt thrust that the rifle was designed to take.  That's why I don't load mine to the max of the standard level loads; to make sure I don't overstress that action.  
As you can see in the table below, modern loads can exceed that 2,400lbs of bolt thrust level very quickly.  Note the bolt thrust numbers for the 357 Mag, 25,000psi level 45 Colt +P, and the 44 Mag. Something to consider

 
 
 
 
 
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 2:34:15 PM EDT
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No worries ---- i have no desire to duplicate big-bore performance in a pistol caliber rifle      -----   I know you can really pack in the powder, on a '92 style action, --- but i wanted a fun rifle that i could practice lobbing 'em in at 300 yards or so , at maybe 1200-1400  fps at most
Link Posted: 4/26/2014 1:01:26 PM EDT
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I like Uberti Special Sporting Rifle so much that I recently got a very similar Uberti 1866 Yellowboy carbine, also in 45 Colt, to go with it.

It turns out that with it's early model flip up rear sight, after I filed down the front sight (shooting really low) I was able to dial it in with my lower power std pressure loads I use in both my rifle and pistol so that:
* With the rear sight down, I'm on at 100yds



* With it up using the notch at the bottom of the aperture, I'm on at 200yds



* With it up using the center of the aperture, I'm on at 300yds



* With it up using the notch at the top of the sight I'm on at 400yds.  
So, I don't need a tang sight for it (other than the help the small aperture close to my eye gives me by increasing the depth of field).  Further, while I haven't got around to chrono'ng my loads yet, it seems to me that I get a bit more velocity in the shorter barrel of the carbine so the round has a bit better 'legs' out at longer range.  That isn't really important as with my eyes, anything over 200yds is a stretch anyway and the tang with a target aperture really helps me see the front sight and target much more clearly.






 
 
 
 
Link Posted: 5/1/2014 6:33:10 PM EDT
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I will be looking at .357 levers at the next gun show. I have a Marlin in 44mag and it is a dream to shoot. Henry is a pretty gun, but I can't see tube loading.
Leaning toward the Rossi, good price and available in stainless.
Link Posted: 5/3/2014 8:09:22 PM EDT
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Henry Big Boy .. love mine only minor complaint is the lack of loading gate.. but the looks and the feel make up for it.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3771/13196774564_66ac22f408_b.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2328/13196573713_5f7ff01d71_b.jpg

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What pistol is that?
Link Posted: 5/4/2014 7:13:40 AM EDT
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What pistol is that?
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Henry Big Boy .. love mine only minor complaint is the lack of loading gate.. but the looks and the feel make up for it.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3771/13196774564_66ac22f408_b.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2328/13196573713_5f7ff01d71_b.jpg



What pistol is that?


Its a Uberti 1873 Cattleman in .357 mag w/ brass trigger guard/strap.
Link Posted: 5/4/2014 7:58:30 AM EDT
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Its a Uberti 1873 Cattleman in .357 mag w/ brass trigger guard/strap.
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Henry Big Boy .. love mine only minor complaint is the lack of loading gate.. but the looks and the feel make up for it.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3771/13196774564_66ac22f408_b.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2328/13196573713_5f7ff01d71_b.jpg



What pistol is that?


Its a Uberti 1873 Cattleman in .357 mag w/ brass trigger guard/strap.


You love it? It's beautiful.
Link Posted: 5/4/2014 8:13:02 AM EDT
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You love it? It's beautiful.
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Henry Big Boy .. love mine only minor complaint is the lack of loading gate.. but the looks and the feel make up for it.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3771/13196774564_66ac22f408_b.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2328/13196573713_5f7ff01d71_b.jpg



What pistol is that?


Its a Uberti 1873 Cattleman in .357 mag w/ brass trigger guard/strap.


You love it? It's beautiful.


Sure do! Don't know how they make  them this inexpensive. Was impressed with the overall quality.

More pictures!











Hows they are made:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYOJa8ZNxmE
Link Posted: 5/4/2014 8:19:40 AM EDT
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Bbl length? I need one.
Link Posted: 5/4/2014 8:37:31 AM EDT
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Bbl length? I need one.
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They offer them in 4.75, 5.5 and i believe 7.5. Mine is 5.5, the colt gen 3 pictured above is 7.5 in traditional 44-40.
Link Posted: 5/4/2014 11:54:44 AM EDT
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Yes, Uberti offers them in 4
?", 5½", and 7½" bbl lengths with both brass and steel frames among other options.  However, for authenticity, the steel framed version is the one you want as Colt never produced the 1873 Peacemaker with a brass frame.  In fact, the first ever 1873 Colt Peacemakers were SA Cavalry models with 7½" barrels in 45 Colt that looked just like this:





Link Posted: 5/4/2014 3:06:55 PM EDT
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Yep, i know.. its a shooter not an 100% authencity pieace for me.

Speaking of one of the first colts Single actions issued - a original Cavalry SAA .. some old pictures before i got my mat and/or knew what i was doing with a camera. It was refurbished by the US depart. in 1899. Had to sell it because of an family estate - sold it to a colt collector $16,000








Link Posted: 5/5/2014 4:28:15 PM EDT
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The gun in the photo looks like it can also be tube fed. Is that a Braztech\Rossi?
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Rossi Model 92 Carbine, 20" bbl, .44 Magnum
Sierra 210 gr. JHP, 21 gr. #2400, 25 yards, 04 Apr 2012, factory sights.


http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r624/92-55001/0be7e010-dfb2-4ebf-9dd5-adda5f00a034.jpg

Accuracy ... probably better than I can shoot it. (or perhaps I should have said "aim it")

http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r624/92-55001/4a31415b-db22-448c-a24b-247d744aa390.jpg

ETA: Weight 6.2 lbs. empty.


The gun in the photo looks like it can also be tube fed. Is that a Braztech\Rossi?


Yes, it is, and I usually load through the gate, and unload through the opening in the tube.
Link Posted: 5/5/2014 4:37:11 PM EDT
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Not my rifle, but I can assure you it is not tube fed.  When the picture is enlarged, you can see the white and gray pattern on the decking gives a false profile to the magazine tube.  It's solid.  Only the R92 in .454 Casull has the option of loading gate or opening in the magazine tube.
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Rossi Model 92 Carbine, 20" bbl, .44 Magnum
Sierra 210 gr. JHP, 21 gr. #2400, 25 yards, 04 Apr 2012, factory sights.


http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r624/92-55001/0be7e010-dfb2-4ebf-9dd5-adda5f00a034.jpg

Accuracy ... probably better than I can shoot it. (or perhaps I should have said "aim it")

http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r624/92-55001/4a31415b-db22-448c-a24b-247d744aa390.jpg

ETA: Weight 6.2 lbs. empty.


The gun in the photo looks like it can also be tube fed. Is that a Braztech\Rossi?


Not my rifle, but I can assure you it is not tube fed.  When the picture is enlarged, you can see the white and gray pattern on the decking gives a false profile to the magazine tube.  It's solid.  Only the R92 in .454 Casull has the option of loading gate or opening in the magazine tube.


It is my rifle, and I can assure you that it loads either through the gate, or the opening in the tube.
Link Posted: 5/8/2014 2:27:37 PM EDT
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It is my rifle, and I can assure you that it loads either through the gate, or the opening in the tube.
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Rossi Model 92 Carbine, 20" bbl, .44 Magnum
Sierra 210 gr. JHP, 21 gr. #2400, 25 yards, 04 Apr 2012, factory sights.


http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r624/92-55001/0be7e010-dfb2-4ebf-9dd5-adda5f00a034.jpg

Accuracy ... probably better than I can shoot it. (or perhaps I should have said "aim it")

http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r624/92-55001/4a31415b-db22-448c-a24b-247d744aa390.jpg

ETA: Weight 6.2 lbs. empty.


The gun in the photo looks like it can also be tube fed. Is that a Braztech\Rossi?


Not my rifle, but I can assure you it is not tube fed.  When the picture is enlarged, you can see the white and gray pattern on the decking gives a false profile to the magazine tube.  It's solid.  Only the R92 in .454 Casull has the option of loading gate or opening in the magazine tube.


It is my rifle, and I can assure you that it loads either through the gate, or the opening in the tube.


Aww Gezz,

I have to ask, the number of quotes above make it seem like the rifle pictured\linked is a 44 mag tube fed, gate fed Braztech\Rossi, is that right?
Link Posted: 5/8/2014 3:14:08 PM EDT
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I have an older Marlin (1979) 1894 in .357 that I like a lot.
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Aww Gezz,
I have to ask, the number of quotes above make it seem like the rifle pictured\linked is a 44 mag tube fed, gate fed Braztech\Rossi, is that right?



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Rossi Model 92 Carbine, 20" bbl, .44 Magnum



Sierra 210 gr. JHP, 21 gr. #2400, 25 yards, 04 Apr 2012, factory sights.

http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r624/92-55001/0be7e010-dfb2-4ebf-9dd5-adda5f00a034.jpg
Accuracy ... probably better than I can shoot it. (or perhaps I should have said "aim it")
http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r624/92-55001/4a31415b-db22-448c-a24b-247d744aa390.jpg
ETA: Weight 6.2 lbs. empty.




The gun in the photo looks like it can also be tube fed. Is that a Braztech\Rossi?




Not my rifle, but I can assure you it is not tube fed.  When the picture is enlarged, you can see the white and gray pattern on the decking gives a false profile to the magazine tube.  It's solid.  Only the R92 in .454 Casull has the option of loading gate or opening in the magazine tube.




It is my rifle, and I can assure you that it loads either through the gate, or the opening in the tube.







Aww Gezz,
I have to ask, the number of quotes above make it seem like the rifle pictured\linked is a 44 mag tube fed, gate fed Braztech\Rossi, is that right?







Nope, only through the loading gate.  As Silvertip_3 stated above, the only Rossi that you can feed through the tube like a Henry is the 454 Casull.
 
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