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Posted: 1/24/2014 7:49:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alaska511]
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Patriot Brown is damned sexy. I am trying to figure out how many rifles to color
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Posted: 1/24/2014 7:51:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaska511:
Patriot Brown is damned sexy. I am trying to figure out how many rifles to color All of them 
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Posted: 1/24/2014 8:33:33 PM EDT
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What is the general consensus on the coyote Brown sopmod?
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OK, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2014 8:36:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cschelk2:
What is the general consensus on the coyote Brown sopmod? Black is better. Sorry I'm just anti-FDE of any kind or color. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2014 8:51:52 PM EDT
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Like my LMT tan, FDE tends to be the color of the block II package.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 11:53:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seaslug:
You mean...like this? 
<a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4008_zpseb5e79ba.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4008_zpseb5e79ba.jpg</a> <a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4009_zps57f33c60.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4009_zps57f33c60.jpg</a> <a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4012_zps33fdf920.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4012_zps33fdf920.jpg</a> Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seaslug:
Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Originally Posted By Alaska511:
Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Originally Posted By allensaldi:
Does this count? MK18 Rail, 10inch Barrel. Black
I am currently working on an actual MK18 also. 
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7333/12060201433_61145d74f8_c.jpg Thinking about tossing a 1-4x on my new black DD CQBR. This may have convinced me to do so. A 12.5" is next for me after I finish another DD CQBR in patriot brown. I feel the need to clone Seaslug's stick of beauty...though I'll do it right and go Aimpoint. 
<a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4008_zpseb5e79ba.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4008_zpseb5e79ba.jpg</a> <a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4009_zps57f33c60.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4009_zps57f33c60.jpg</a> <a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4012_zps33fdf920.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4012_zps33fdf920.jpg</a> Now that's more like it! An Aimpoint 3x mag and it'd be perfect. I'll have that exact setup soon though so I'll be able to show you the light. 
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Posted: 1/25/2014 12:02:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seaslug:
You mean...like this?
<a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4008_zpseb5e79ba.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4008_zpseb5e79ba.jpg</a> <a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4009_zps57f33c60.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4009_zps57f33c60.jpg</a> <a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4012_zps33fdf920.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4012_zps33fdf920.jpg</a> Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seaslug:
Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Originally Posted By Alaska511:
Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Originally Posted By allensaldi:
Does this count? MK18 Rail, 10inch Barrel. Black
I am currently working on an actual MK18 also.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7333/12060201433_61145d74f8_c.jpg Thinking about tossing a 1-4x on my new black DD CQBR. This may have convinced me to do so. A 12.5" is next for me after I finish another DD CQBR in patriot brown. I feel the need to clone Seaslug's stick of beauty...though I'll do it right and go Aimpoint.
<a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4008_zpseb5e79ba.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4008_zpseb5e79ba.jpg</a> <a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4009_zps57f33c60.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4009_zps57f33c60.jpg</a> <a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4012_zps33fdf920.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4012_zps33fdf920.jpg</a> Those pictures make my wee-wee feel funny.
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Posted: 1/25/2014 12:06:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AR-Ryan21]
[#8]
They make many a wee wee feel funny. That rig has inspired me for a long while now. Everything is finally coming into fruition with a few approved eForm 1s.
All I haven't decided is if I'm gonna have my LaRue T1 mount coated patriot brown as well, or just keep it black. Also not sure if I want to have my BADASS ambi safety coated graphite black to match the other upper and lower parts, or keep it FDE. Decisions decisions. I like to really think everything out before I paint my rigs, and this will just be my second one. |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 12:10:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seaslug:
You mean...like this?
<a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4008_zpseb5e79ba.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4008_zpseb5e79ba.jpg</a> <a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4009_zps57f33c60.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4009_zps57f33c60.jpg</a> <a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4012_zps33fdf920.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4012_zps33fdf920.jpg</a> Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seaslug:
Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Originally Posted By Alaska511:
Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Originally Posted By allensaldi:
Does this count? MK18 Rail, 10inch Barrel. Black
I am currently working on an actual MK18 also.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7333/12060201433_61145d74f8_c.jpg Thinking about tossing a 1-4x on my new black DD CQBR. This may have convinced me to do so. A 12.5" is next for me after I finish another DD CQBR in patriot brown. I feel the need to clone Seaslug's stick of beauty...though I'll do it right and go Aimpoint.
<a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4008_zpseb5e79ba.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4008_zpseb5e79ba.jpg</a> <a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4009_zps57f33c60.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4009_zps57f33c60.jpg</a> <a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/bsimpson23/media/DSCN4012_zps33fdf920.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN4012_zps33fdf920.jpg</a> ...it moved |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 12:20:47 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
They make many a wee wee feel funny. That rig has inspired me for a long while now. Everything is finally coming into fruition with a few approved eForm 1s. All I haven't decided is if I'm gonna have my LaRue T1 mount coated patriot brown as well, or just keep it black. Also not sure if I want to have my BADASS ambi safety coated graphite black to match the other upper and lower parts, or keep it FDE. Decisions decisions. I like to really think everything out before I paint my rigs, and this will just be my second one. a FDE BADASS would look good with a patriot brown receiver, given the furniture is FDE as well, of course. Either way, I wanna see pics. |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 1:30:42 PM EDT
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Posted on Facebook by Griffin Armament
A MARSOC Marine on deployment with Griffin NT4 compensator mounted MK18. Thanks for the picture. 
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Posted: 1/25/2014 1:48:48 PM EDT
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I think JShep commented on this before, but what do operators think of the Elcan Gen IIIs?
There's an Elcan bashing thread over on Snipershide - claiming that they're "shit" and not worth a damn penny.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2014 3:02:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320:
I think JShep commented on this before, but what do operators think of the Elcan Gen IIIs? There's an Elcan bashing thread over on Snipershide - claiming that they're "shit" and not worth a damn penny. He basically doesn't like them. Said many of the newer guys are rocking them or guys who aren't gun guys. He prefers the Eotech and Magnifier combo. He also doesn't like the Eotech 553, he favors the EXPS. I have talked to a few SF guys here and in person and all have liked the EOtech. Only one of the guys liked the Elcan but preferred the EOtech over it. |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 3:42:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Omega9000: He basically doesn't like them. Said many of the newer guys are rocking them or guys who aren't gun guys. He prefers the Eotech and Magnifier combo. He also doesn't like the Eotech 553, he favors the EXPS. I have talked to a few SF guys here and in person and all have liked the EOtech. Only one of the guys liked the Elcan but preferred the EOtech over it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Omega9000: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: I think JShep commented on this before, but what do operators think of the Elcan Gen IIIs? There's an Elcan bashing thread over on Snipershide - claiming that they're "shit" and not worth a damn penny. He basically doesn't like them. Said many of the newer guys are rocking them or guys who aren't gun guys. He prefers the Eotech and Magnifier combo. He also doesn't like the Eotech 553, he favors the EXPS. I have talked to a few SF guys here and in person and all have liked the EOtech. Only one of the guys liked the Elcan but preferred the EOtech over it. JShepard certainly knows what he's talking about, but look at how many Marsoc operators are still using the Elcan. It seems there have been more using the Eotech setup as of late, but I think the majority of the Marsoc pics show Elcans. A dislike of the Elcan isn't new to the Army. They wanted the Short Dot to be the Block II variable and obviously that didn't happen. I'm a big fan of the Eotech/G33 setup and I have more time using it than anything else, but I have nothing but high opinions about the Elcan. Eotech wins hands down when it comes to close range and speed, but the Specter is no slouch. It's a toss up in my opinion. If price is a factor the Elcan probably doesn't look so hot. |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 4:59:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenSwamperin:
JShepard certainly knows what he's talking about, but look at how many Marsoc operators are still using the Elcan. It seems there have been more using the Eotech setup as of late, but I think the majority of the Marsoc pics show Elcans. A dislike of the Elcan isn't new to the Army. They wanted the Short Dot to be the Block II variable and obviously that didn't happen. I'm a big fan of the Eotech/G33 setup and I have more time using it than anything else, but I have nothing but high opinions about the Elcan. Eotech wins hands down when it comes to close range and speed, but the Specter is no slouch. It's a toss up in my opinion. If price is a factor the Elcan probably doesn't look so hot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenSwamperin:
Originally Posted By Omega9000:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
I think JShep commented on this before, but what do operators think of the Elcan Gen IIIs? There's an Elcan bashing thread over on Snipershide - claiming that they're "shit" and not worth a damn penny. He basically doesn't like them. Said many of the newer guys are rocking them or guys who aren't gun guys. He prefers the Eotech and Magnifier combo. He also doesn't like the Eotech 553, he favors the EXPS. I have talked to a few SF guys here and in person and all have liked the EOtech. Only one of the guys liked the Elcan but preferred the EOtech over it. JShepard certainly knows what he's talking about, but look at how many Marsoc operators are still using the Elcan. It seems there have been more using the Eotech setup as of late, but I think the majority of the Marsoc pics show Elcans. A dislike of the Elcan isn't new to the Army. They wanted the Short Dot to be the Block II variable and obviously that didn't happen. I'm a big fan of the Eotech/G33 setup and I have more time using it than anything else, but I have nothing but high opinions about the Elcan. Eotech wins hands down when it comes to close range and speed, but the Specter is no slouch. It's a toss up in my opinion. If price is a factor the Elcan probably doesn't look so hot. I have a close shooting buddy that is a MSG in 19th group. Hes been there for years and prior to group he was with 3rd Ranger Batt. He explained it to me like this. If the operator is a gun guy and puts a lot of time into his shooting and gear, typically he does not like the Elcan. There were problems with POI shift between 4X and 1X. I dunno if they ever fixed it but I did not have that with mine. If the operator is generally a gun guy and puts a lot of time into his trigger pulling, typically he prefers the EOtech, but more so an aimpoint or variable reflex type scope. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2014 6:13:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socomike:
I have a close shooting buddy that is a MSG in 19th group. Hes been there for years and prior to group he was with 3rd Ranger Batt. He explained it to me like this. If the operator is a gun guy and puts a lot of time into his shooting and gear, typically he does not like the Elcan. There were problems with POI shift between 4X and 1X. I dunno if they ever fixed it but I did not have that with mine. If the operator is generally a gun guy and puts a lot of time into his trigger pulling, typically he prefers the EOtech, but more so an aimpoint or variable reflex type scope. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socomike:
Originally Posted By GreenSwamperin:
Originally Posted By Omega9000:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
I think JShep commented on this before, but what do operators think of the Elcan Gen IIIs? There's an Elcan bashing thread over on Snipershide - claiming that they're "shit" and not worth a damn penny. He basically doesn't like them. Said many of the newer guys are rocking them or guys who aren't gun guys. He prefers the Eotech and Magnifier combo. He also doesn't like the Eotech 553, he favors the EXPS. I have talked to a few SF guys here and in person and all have liked the EOtech. Only one of the guys liked the Elcan but preferred the EOtech over it. JShepard certainly knows what he's talking about, but look at how many Marsoc operators are still using the Elcan. It seems there have been more using the Eotech setup as of late, but I think the majority of the Marsoc pics show Elcans. A dislike of the Elcan isn't new to the Army. They wanted the Short Dot to be the Block II variable and obviously that didn't happen. I'm a big fan of the Eotech/G33 setup and I have more time using it than anything else, but I have nothing but high opinions about the Elcan. Eotech wins hands down when it comes to close range and speed, but the Specter is no slouch. It's a toss up in my opinion. If price is a factor the Elcan probably doesn't look so hot. I have a close shooting buddy that is a MSG in 19th group. Hes been there for years and prior to group he was with 3rd Ranger Batt. He explained it to me like this. If the operator is a gun guy and puts a lot of time into his shooting and gear, typically he does not like the Elcan. There were problems with POI shift between 4X and 1X. I dunno if they ever fixed it but I did not have that with mine. If the operator is generally a gun guy and puts a lot of time into his trigger pulling, typically he prefers the EOtech, but more so an aimpoint or variable reflex type scope. I'm fairly certain the 1-4x shift was fixed in the "2nd Gen" SU-230, most common is the newer "3rd Gen" with the smooth vs squared sides. I've had no problems with mine having POI shifts, and I've had it 3.5 years now with a decent amount of ammo shot with it on the rifle. |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 6:15:56 PM EDT
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2014 6:21:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ihcnehc]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socomike: I have a close shooting buddy that is a MSG in 19th group. Hes been there for years and prior to group he was with 3rd Ranger Batt. He explained it to me like this. If the operator is a gun guy and puts a lot of time into his shooting and gear, typically he does not like the Elcan. There were problems with POI shift between 4X and 1X. I dunno if they ever fixed it but I did not have that with mine. If the operator is generally a gun guy and puts a lot of time into his trigger pulling, typically he prefers the EOtech, but more so an aimpoint or variable reflex type scope. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socomike: Originally Posted By GreenSwamperin: Originally Posted By Omega9000: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: I think JShep commented on this before, but what do operators think of the Elcan Gen IIIs? There's an Elcan bashing thread over on Snipershide - claiming that they're "shit" and not worth a damn penny. He basically doesn't like them. Said many of the newer guys are rocking them or guys who aren't gun guys. He prefers the Eotech and Magnifier combo. He also doesn't like the Eotech 553, he favors the EXPS. I have talked to a few SF guys here and in person and all have liked the EOtech. Only one of the guys liked the Elcan but preferred the EOtech over it. JShepard certainly knows what he's talking about, but look at how many Marsoc operators are still using the Elcan. It seems there have been more using the Eotech setup as of late, but I think the majority of the Marsoc pics show Elcans. A dislike of the Elcan isn't new to the Army. They wanted the Short Dot to be the Block II variable and obviously that didn't happen. I'm a big fan of the Eotech/G33 setup and I have more time using it than anything else, but I have nothing but high opinions about the Elcan. Eotech wins hands down when it comes to close range and speed, but the Specter is no slouch. It's a toss up in my opinion. If price is a factor the Elcan probably doesn't look so hot. I have a close shooting buddy that is a MSG in 19th group. Hes been there for years and prior to group he was with 3rd Ranger Batt. He explained it to me like this. If the operator is a gun guy and puts a lot of time into his shooting and gear, typically he does not like the Elcan. There were problems with POI shift between 4X and 1X. I dunno if they ever fixed it but I did not have that with mine. If the operator is generally a gun guy and puts a lot of time into his trigger pulling, typically he prefers the EOtech, but more so an aimpoint or variable reflex type scope. From what I understand, it was due to Gen 1 where there was not a stopping notch at both end of the flip switch. As such, the switch can stay anywhere in between 1x and 4x and thus the POI shift. This happened to me once when I was zeroing mine and then I realized the switch was not flipped all the way to the end. Starting Gen 2, a notch was added at both end to provide some tactile feel. I vaguely remember this is from Augee, don't have time to search at the moment. I have Elcan and EOTech, but I use EOtech plus a 3x mag most of the time mainly because of the reticle. I also prefer Elcan over ACOG because of its clearer glass and a longer eye relief. Elcan is also a bit more versatile because of its ability to switch between 1x and 4x. One can put a MRD on ACOG, but it is not the same. Unless you have a very long face and can maintain a cheek weld while looking through the MRD on your ACOG, the ret dot can be lost when switching from target to target while on the move. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2014 9:21:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
<a href="https://imageshack.com/i/3uvu8gj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/138/vu8g.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/5bzuhjj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/191/zuhj.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/mjrn5mj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/811/rn5m.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/n7nqywj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/835/nqyw.jpg</a> Yep, know how I want to build my CQBR now (not a matter of if, just a matter of when at this point). |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 10:00:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wormydog1987:
Anyone thought about doing a 5.45 cqbr? Because I am. I had one for a bit, worked fine. Nothing particularly bad or great about it. I don't have an early pic handy, but this is when I was trying a different FSB. 
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TN, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2014 10:03:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
<a href="https://imageshack.com/i/3uvu8gj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/138/vu8g.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/5bzuhjj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/191/zuhj.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/mjrn5mj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/811/rn5m.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/n7nqywj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/835/nqyw.jpg</a> Nice. Who are those dudes? |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 10:15:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MP0117:
Nice. Who are those dudes? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MP0117:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
<a href="https://imageshack.com/i/3uvu8gj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/138/vu8g.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/5bzuhjj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/191/zuhj.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/mjrn5mj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/811/rn5m.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/n7nqywj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/835/nqyw.jpg</a> Nice. Who are those dudes? Here's the photo description: "U.S. Special Forces soldiers, attached to Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force-Afghanistan, maneuver through a four-way intersecting hallway at a shoot house while conducting close-quarter battle drills in Kabul province, Afghanistan, Jan. 23, 2014. USSF use these drills to maintain and improve skills during joint operations with Afghan forces. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. Connor Mendez/Released)" |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2014 10:17:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Here's the photo description: "U.S. Special Forces soldiers, attached to Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force-Afghanistan, maneuver through a four-way intersecting hallway at a shoot house while conducting close-quarter battle drills in Kabul province, Afghanistan, Jan. 23, 2014. USSF use these drills to maintain and improve skills during joint operations with Afghan forces. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. Connor Mendez/Released)" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By MP0117:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
<a href="https://imageshack.com/i/3uvu8gj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/138/vu8g.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/5bzuhjj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/191/zuhj.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/mjrn5mj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/811/rn5m.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/n7nqywj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/835/nqyw.jpg</a> Nice. Who are those dudes? Here's the photo description: "U.S. Special Forces soldiers, attached to Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force-Afghanistan, maneuver through a four-way intersecting hallway at a shoot house while conducting close-quarter battle drills in Kabul province, Afghanistan, Jan. 23, 2014. USSF use these drills to maintain and improve skills during joint operations with Afghan forces. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. Connor Mendez/Released)" Cool. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2014 1:30:39 AM EDT
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after almost 16 years as an aimpoint user I think I'm making the switch. the G33 blows away the AP magnifier and I prefer the eotech 1MOA dot under magnification over Aimpoint.
getting it cleaned up after a long, hard day in hill country. 
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CA, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2014 2:06:39 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
<a href="https://imageshack.com/i/3uvu8gj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/138/vu8g.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/5bzuhjj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/191/zuhj.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/mjrn5mj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/811/rn5m.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/n7nqywj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/835/nqyw.jpg</a> High ready!? Who do they think they are... SEALs?
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:06:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ihcnehc]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G_MAN: after almost 16 years as an aimpoint user I think I'm making the switch. the G33 blows away the AP magnifier and I prefer the eotech 1MOA dot under magnification over Aimpoint. getting it cleaned up after a long, hard day in hill country. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/SUPA_G_MAN/Firearms/MK18_EO.jpg Edited to add these pictures for being on top of the page by accident. One is repost but slight bigger. US Special Forces in AFG as of 2014-JAN-23. These guys really have the latest and the greatest - Ops-Core Maritime, new Patagonia PCU, WMX200, and EXPS3.   |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:20:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KILLERB6]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wormydog1987:
Black is better. And issue...get black and paint. Sorry I'm just anti-FDE of any kind or color. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wormydog1987:
Originally Posted By cschelk2:
What is the general consensus on the coyote Brown sopmod? Black is better. And issue...get black and paint. Sorry I'm just anti-FDE of any kind or color. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:24:48 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MP0117:
Nice. Who are those dudes? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MP0117:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
<a href="https://imageshack.com/i/3uvu8gj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/138/vu8g.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/5bzuhjj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/191/zuhj.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/mjrn5mj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/811/rn5m.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/n7nqywj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/835/nqyw.jpg</a> Nice. Who are those dudes? They're COMMANDOS!
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:10:09 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MP0117:
Nice. Who are those dudes? "Special Forces" == Green Berets. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 11:19:23 AM EDT
[#30]
Hello everyone,
Before I post my question, I would like to say that I have been reading this thread for months and the attention to detail here is amazing. Additionally, as a former member of an elite unit, your general level of respect for these guys and their respective units is pretty awesome! Please do not ask me any technical questions, I got hurt and left the military when we were still using GAUs ; although, I will say my unit was the first to field test the IR laser as far as I know. Before the standardization of rails, the PEQs were a real mess and worthless. Anyway, on to my question. I am looking to build an exact clone (block 2 CQBR), minus the five figure lower of course. I have read this entire thread from page one and I have recently requested an estimate from High Caliber Sales for the following upper:
Colt upper DD 10.3 barrel or Colt factory 10.3 barrel (depending on price and availability) DD MK18 rail DD or KAC MK12 gas block PRI Gasbuster Charging Handle Colt bolt and BCG with upgraded extractor Surefire SOCOM Muzzle Brake for use with SOCOM556RC suppressor (suppressor in NFA jail) KAC Taupe front sight and 300 m micro BUIS (depending on price and availability) I am not sure if I need the one piece gas ring. I know the muzzle break is incorrect; however, I would like to extend the life of the can as much as possible. The lower is a Colt 6943 (in lockup as we'll). Does anyone see anything incorrect in the specs for the upper? Is anything missing? Do I need the one piece gas ring? Second question: I will be dipping the LMT Sopmod stock, MIAD grip, Gen 3 P-Mags, and TD foregrip in multicam. I know from previous posts that most of you guys favor the spray can and don't generally prefer furniture only camo jobs; however, I have a furniture/accessory only camo job with Cerakote on my M4 and I love it. I have never had anything hydro-dipped and is seems like a better way to go. Could you guys provide some feedback on the quality of camo dips, both aesthetics and durability/longevity? |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 11:55:53 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thunder79: Hello everyone, Before I post my question, I would like to say that I have been reading this thread for months and the attention to detail here is amazing. Additionally, as a former member of an elite unit, your general level of respect for these guys and their respective units is pretty awesome! Please do not ask me any technical questions, I got hurt and left the military when we were still using GAUs ; although, I will say my unit was the first to field test the IR laser as far as I know. Before the standardization of rails, the PEQs were a real mess and worthless. Anyway, on to my question. I am looking to build an exact clone (block 2 CQBR), minus the five figure lower of course. I have read this entire thread from page one and I have recently requested an estimate from High Caliber Sales for the following upper:Colt upper DD 10.3 barrel or Colt factory 10.3 barrel (depending on price and availability) DD MK18 rail DD or KAC MK12 gas block PRI Gasbuster Charging Handle Colt bolt and BCG with upgraded extractor Surefire SOCOM Muzzle Brake for use with SOCOM556RC suppressor (suppressor in NFA jail) KAC Taupe front sight and 300 m micro BUIS (depending on price and availability) I am not sure if I need the one piece gas ring. I know the muzzle break is incorrect; however, I would like to extend the life of the can as much as possible. The lower is a Colt 6943 (in lockup as we'll). Does anyone see anything incorrect in the specs for the upper? Is anything missing? Do I need the one piece gas ring? Second question: I will be dipping the LMT Sopmod stock, MIAD grip, Gen 3 P-Mags, and TD foregrip in multicam. I know from previous posts that most of you guys favor the spray can and don't generally prefer furniture only camo jobs; however, I have a furniture/accessory only camo job with Cerakote on my M4 and I love it. I have never had anything hydro-dipped and is seems like a better way to go. Could you guys provide some feedback on the quality of camo dips, both aesthetics and durability/longevity? Welcome. Personally I think the Multicam dipping looks goofy as hell on a rifle and/or furniture. Just my .02, but don't do it on a clone in particular. It looks like you're going for an accurate clone and adding a bunch of Multicam stuff on there is going to ruin that.
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OK, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2014 12:13:26 PM EDT
[#32]
I dipped my hunting AR several years ago. Granted its my hunting AR in which I actually get out and carry it through brush and trees, over the rivers and through the woods. It is rubbed off in spots, chipped in others. To a coyote or deer, I don't think they can tell a difference. At 3 feet it's hard to see the chips or missing paint. Up close you can tell it's been used.
It is paint after all, so actually using it will cause some wear. Looking back on it, it was a waste. It does look good, but I could have saved the money and bought ammo. Just for illustration of my dip job 
And my cqbr for the thread 
blockii1 by wormydog1724, on Flickr |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 12:19:51 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thunder79:
Hello everyone, Before I post my question, I would like to say that I have been reading this thread for months and the attention to detail here is amazing. Additionally, as a former member of an elite unit, your general level of respect for these guys and their respective units is pretty awesome! Please do not ask me any technical questions, I got hurt and left the military when we were still using GAUs ; although, I will say my unit was the first to field test the IR laser as far as I know. Before the standardization of rails, the PEQs were a real mess and worthless. Anyway, on to my question. I am looking to build an exact clone (block 2 CQBR), minus the five figure lower of course. I have read this entire thread from page one and I have recently requested an estimate from High Caliber Sales for the following upper:
Colt upper DD 10.3 barrel or Colt factory 10.3 barrel (depending on price and availability) DD MK18 rail DD or KAC MK12 gas block PRI Gasbuster Charging Handle Colt bolt and BCG with upgraded extractor Surefire SOCOM Muzzle Brake for use with SOCOM556RC suppressor (suppressor in NFA jail) KAC Taupe front sight and 300 m micro BUIS (depending on price and availability) I am not sure if I need the one piece gas ring. I know the muzzle break is incorrect; however, I would like to extend the life of the can as much as possible. The lower is a Colt 6943 (in lockup as we'll). Does anyone see anything incorrect in the specs for the upper? Is anything missing? Do I need the one piece gas ring? Second question: I will be dipping the LMT Sopmod stock, MIAD grip, Gen 3 P-Mags, and TD foregrip in multicam. I know from previous posts that most of you guys favor the spray can and don't generally prefer furniture only camo jobs; however, I have a furniture/accessory only camo job with Cerakote on my M4 and I love it. I have never had anything hydro-dipped and is seems like a better way to go. Could you guys provide some feedback on the quality of camo dips, both aesthetics and durability/longevity? Ditch the DD barrel option and go with Colt, and go with a non-Micro 300m BIUS. I would skip the brake, too, especially if you ever plan on shooting unsuppressed. Honestly, the amount of ammo needed to shoot out a quality can when using a FH vs a brake would probably make the cost of a new can negligible. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 12:36:18 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G_MAN:
after almost 16 years as an aimpoint user I think I'm making the switch. the G33 blows away the AP magnifier and I prefer the eotech 1MOA dot under magnification over Aimpoint. getting it cleaned up after a long, hard day in hill country. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/SUPA_G_MAN/Firearms/MK18_EO.jpg Interesting. I've even heard several EoTech guys say they prefer the Aimpoint 3x mag due to the eye relief alone. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 12:36:32 PM EDT
[#35]
Any good leads for a 10.3" barrel other than SAW? I'm considering a pistol build, then get a stamp, but I can't seem to did a reasonably priced Colt 10.3" barrel.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 1:01:19 PM EDT
[#36]
Thank you guys for the quick response, I would love as much feedback as possible! Especially regarding the specs for the upper. Colt is my first choice for barrel; however, they can be scarce and Kevin at HCS has DD in stock.
I have read various arguments on the MB vs FH and I have seen what appears to be conclusive evidence that the MB is crucial in early erosion prevention. What I have not seen is anyone citing how long the MB actually adds to the life of the can, particularly the new Surefire cans. Most likely because they haven't had enough range time in a large enough market for legitimate comparison. I have read claims that the MB "locks up" better, is this true? I would rather have the FH for a number of reasons, but not if it means sacrificing performance or shelling out another $1,150 in 2-5 years! I plan on shooting suppressed 95% of the time. Why non-micro rear? Any advice on the 1 piece gas ring? I love the multicam pattern and I already have desert digi in cerakote on another build; however, I haven't seen it in person and Greenswamperin has got me second guessing that part. Please continue with any advice, it is greatly appreciated! |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 1:01:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ImpacTT]
[#37]
dd is hammer forged and will last longer than the colt.
i would ditch the mc hydro dip and go for a battle paint with krylon on aervoe. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 1:09:56 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thunder79:
Thank you guys for the quick response, I would love as much feedback as possible! Especially regarding the specs for the upper. Colt is my first choice for barrel; however, they can be scarce and Kevin at HCS has DD in stock. I have read various arguments on the MB vs FH and I have seen what appears to be conclusive evidence that the MB is crucial in early erosion prevention. What I have not seen is anyone citing how long the MB actually adds to the life of the can, particularly the new Surefire cans. Most likely because they haven't had enough range time in a large enough market for legitimate comparison. I have read claims that the MB "locks up" better, is this true? I would rather have the FH for a number of reasons, but not if it means sacrificing performance or shelling out another $1,150 in 2-5 years! I plan on shooting suppressed 95% of the time. Why non-micro rear? Any advice on the 1 piece gas ring? I love the multicam pattern and I already have desert digi in cerakote on another build; however, I haven't seen it in person and Greenswamperin has got me second guessing that part. Please continue with any advice, it is greatly appreciated! Non-Micro or Matech is issued, if I was building a Mk18/CQBR, I'd use a 1 piece only because of the one powerpoint saying they are. I'm sure it works fine, as does the standard 3 ring setup. I'm a stickler for details though, so I'd use the one piece gas ring and the o-ring on the bolt. Overkill? Yes, but it's what they use and my O-Ring Bolt has been 100% reliable so far. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 1:34:05 PM EDT
[#39]
you can get a DD MK18 upper complete no sights for around 930.00 it really is what your preference is
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2014 1:45:34 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Interesting. I've even heard several EoTech guys say they prefer the Aimpoint 3x mag due to the eye relief alone. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Originally Posted By G_MAN:
after almost 16 years as an aimpoint user I think I'm making the switch. the G33 blows away the AP magnifier and I prefer the eotech 1MOA dot under magnification over Aimpoint. getting it cleaned up after a long, hard day in hill country. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/SUPA_G_MAN/Firearms/MK18_EO.jpg Interesting. I've even heard several EoTech guys say they prefer the Aimpoint 3x mag due to the eye relief alone. try them side by side, the Eotech is cleaner and brighter, Aimpoint has a slight blueish haze to it. but who knows, maybe it's just my unit. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2014 1:47:14 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pc-ops:
you can get a DD MK18 upper complete no sights for around 930.00 it really is what your preference is This is my backup plan; however, the bill boarding isn't clone correct. I know the custom built DD eliminates much of it, but from what I've seen, it will still say Daniel Defense on the left forward portion. Also, the lower is Colt and I would like the "fit and finish" to match as much as possible. Last but not least, Colt is what is issued. It's what I was usually issued and is tried and true.
Thank you for the "heads-up"! |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 1:51:25 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G_MAN:
try them side by side, the Eotech is cleaner and brighter, Aimpoint has a slight blueish haze to it. but who knows, maybe it's just my unit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G_MAN:
Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Originally Posted By G_MAN:
after almost 16 years as an aimpoint user I think I'm making the switch. the G33 blows away the AP magnifier and I prefer the eotech 1MOA dot under magnification over Aimpoint. getting it cleaned up after a long, hard day in hill country. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/SUPA_G_MAN/Firearms/MK18_EO.jpg Interesting. I've even heard several EoTech guys say they prefer the Aimpoint 3x mag due to the eye relief alone. try them side by side, the Eotech is cleaner and brighter, Aimpoint has a slight blueish haze to it. but who knows, maybe it's just my unit. My AP 3Xmag also has that blueish tint I like the G33 much better. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 2:11:03 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thunder79:
This is my backup plan; however, the bill boarding isn't clone correct. I know the custom built DD eliminates much of it, but from what I've seen, it will still say Daniel Defense on the left forward portion. Also, the lower is Colt and I would like the "fit and finish" to match as much as possible. Last but not least, Colt is what is issued. It's what I was usually issued and is tried and true.
Thank you for the "heads-up"! Therein lies the problem: you want a "clone" build but you have internal inconsistencies with other parts selection (e.g., hydro dip, muzzle brake). I don't mean to be a dick here, but I really wonder why folks ask questions to which they either already know the answer or simply don't want the answer. This isn't meant to be a personal attack, but is a general feel of the "clone" threads recently. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 2:36:48 PM EDT
[#44]
Originally Posted By cmcflex:
Originally Posted By Thunder79:
This is my backup plan; however, the bill boarding isn't clone correct. I know the custom built DD eliminates much of it, but from what I've seen, it will still say Daniel Defense on the left forward portion. Also, the lower is Colt and I would like the "fit and finish" to match as much as possible. Last but not least, Colt is what is issued. It's what I was usually issued and is tried and true.
Thank you for the "heads-up"! Therein lies the problem: you want a "clone" build but you have internal inconsistencies with other parts selection (e.g., hydro dip, muzzle brake). I don't mean to be a dick here, but I really wonder why folks ask questions to which they either already know the answer or simply don't want the answer. This isn't meant to be a personal attack, but is a general feel of the "clone" threads recently. No offense taken and I appreciate the "up-front" response. I would rather go FH for clone purposes and I'm hoping for some responses from guys who have used both and can say that the MB benefits are negligible at best (as one member has already done) or at least give examples from personal experience. I'm not sold on the hydro dip either. I have no experience with it and a bunch of guys on here have dipped their weapons; therefore, I am fishing for some unbiased opinions. I am familiar with spray can jobs and never opted for it while I was active and I'm just feeling out some alternatives. As I said, I am looking for some advice on getting as clone correct as possible before I spend the money and get something wrong without realizing it. Also, does anyone here have a High Caliber upper? I asked them about gas port diameter and was told that it was proprietary (understandable), but I was wondering if there are limits to the ammo it will run. I don't use steel and I'm hoping they're not over-gassed. I know there is a fine line there. All responses are greatly appreciated! |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 2:39:45 PM EDT
[#45]
On a 556 SBR, the muzzle brake will be worth it's weight in gold in regards to preserving your can's life. Particularly if you intend to be shooting your CQBR suppressed 95 percent of the time like you said.
When the can is mounted, who is gonna know whether you have a brake or FH under it anyway? |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:07:56 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
On a 556 SBR, the muzzle brake will be worth it's weight in gold in regards to preserving your can's life. Particularly if you intend to be shooting your CQBR suppressed 95 percent of the time like you said. When the can is mounted, who is gonna know whether you have a brake or FH under it anyway? Depends on the can and firing schedule. For full auto use, having a sacrificial brake helps immensely. In semi-auto range use or casual shooting for a civilian there is no way you will wear out the first baffle using a FH as opposed to a brake on any SOPMOD approved cans such as the KAC NT4, OPS INC 12th, or the Surefire cans. Even in full auto use, the standard attachment FH for the NT4 is the KAC A2 NT4 FH which has no brake and those cans last forever...maybe diferent for AAC and other civilian cans, though. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:17:15 PM EDT
[#47]
I certainly don't think it would ever hurt to opt for a brake over a FH on a 10.3" 556 SBR. Civilian and semi auto or not. Especially if you'll be shooting suppressed 95 percent or more of the time.
Cans aren't cheap, and if the ATF does in fact do away with the ease of Trusts for registering NFA items, the future wait to get a can will be crazy long, and even impossible for some. I'd want to do everything I could to preserve the life of my can. To each their own though. The black DD CQBR is coming along nicely: 
Just got the KAC sights and TD QD VFG yesterday. Waiting on the Mark 6 1-6x I recently ordered to arrive so I can move the T1 currently on the rig that will have the Mark 6 over to my black CQBR. All I still need to purchase for this setup is a black M300B and Gear Sector offset scout mount. The DD lower for the upper is all ready to go, but will still be another month or two before the Form 1 is approved on it. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2014 7:42:05 PM EDT
[#48]
TOO Much Black, you need FDE to be correct.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 7:49:24 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lawdog-1:
TOO Much Black, you need FDE to be correct. Already have an FDE CQBR: 
I actually have two DD FDE CQBR uppers now. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:27:48 PM EDT
[#50]
So I'm thinking of putting together a Mk18 upper but I'm stuck between a 10.5" barrel vs a 10.3" barrel. Now here in the communist State of California I can not own a SBR but I do own a 80% pistol lowers that I milled. I'll be adding a ACC brake on it and wanted to know with which barrel I'll have better cycling? I know that the true clones have the 10.3" and it looks awesome with a suppressor on it but for me it will fall down to performance.
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