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Posted: 1/2/2018 11:26:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: chenault]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Fuck I'll take the corn fields! I got buildings in the way out here! Never thought I would be able to say this, but what comes after MK12...... https://i.imgur.com/QwgxCs2.jpg If you haven't tried uspsa open class that's a rush, but say goodbye to money if you do. The clone game is not the most expensive game around as it turns out. |
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Posted: 1/2/2018 11:39:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56: Okay thanks so much for the info! So it seems that either way someone can't be clone correct to the exacting specs. So seems the decision is to determine which would be closer to clone correct, having a noveske barrel and a contoured collar or a Douglas, BA, or CLE barrel with the correct collar? I may opt for the collar since I've already plunged into the Noveske barrel price. BA barrels are not the correct profile and in 1/8 only. for a barrel thats getting a 22oz can on the end, it willl matter. ive got a WOA Barrel of the correct profile. The can make them to order last i heard. some have said they made the ops cut 2.3 not 2.4" back, but i have a lathe and thats a 10min setup and cut back if i need to massage it. |
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Posted: 1/2/2018 12:15:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: prskiller]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56: What's it under on ebay? Can't seem to find the scope you have listed? |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2018 12:22:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAhh, there it is. Thanks!
I really need those rings without the stop humps. lol |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2018 12:29:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
not all mod H were noveske barrelled. some have unmarked barrels. verified. BA barrels are not the correct profile and in 1/8 only. for a barrel thats getting a 22oz can on the end, it willl matter. ive got a WOA Barrel of the correct profile. The can make them to order last i heard. some have said they made the ops cut 2.3 not 2.4" back, but i have a lathe and thats a 10min setup and cut back if i need to massage it. And idea what the history is behind the unmarked barrels? gov't contract co X or turned down barrel blanks? I'm starting to think everyone is a bad influence on me because I just keep buying and buying and buying...... 
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Posted: 1/2/2018 12:46:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56: I tend to agree with you on the 22oz can on the end of those barrels. Seems I'm collecting barrels now. lol. I went ahead and bought a BA 16". Bought it from Granite Ridge Outfitters for $134.55 delivered. Can't go wrong with that even if I just use it for something else. But to your point, I have a WOA that's an 18" and it's a tack driver. May look at that them for the 16". And idea what the history is behind the unmarked barrels? gov't contract co X or turned down barrel blanks? I'm starting to think everyone is a bad influence on me because I just keep buying and buying and buying...... John only made a select amount of barrels for the original order. Uppers sent out after that original very likely had barrels from PRI, they have a few with the correct profile. |
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Posted: 1/2/2018 1:28:32 PM EDT
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The next time I do a Holland upper, I may go with the Bison Armory one and give them a try. The heavier SPR style profile as mentioned, $200 and add bead blast for $20, 1:7 twist. I've heard good things about them here and that was with the Recon profile that's closer to the BA TacGov.
Bison 16" SPR tube And yes, you read that right. Hollandless for now but I plan to do it "right" when the time comes again, FDE handguard and FDE Duracoated upper with the right forge marks, Bison barrel bead blasted. Goal is 1:1 of the Holland carried by the gentleman from KRG Ops. |
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Posted: 1/2/2018 1:31:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
The next time I do a Holland upper, I may go with the Bison Armory one and give them a try. The heavier SPR style profile as mentioned, $200 and add bead blast for $20, 1:7 twist. I've heard good things about them here and that was with the Recon profile that's closer to the BA TacGov. Bison 16" SPR tube And yes, you read that right. Hollandless for now but I plan to do it "right" when the time comes again, FDE handguard and FDE Duracoated upper with the right forge marks, Bison barrel bead blasted. Goal is 1:1 of the Holland carried by the gentleman from KRG Ops. 
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Posted: 1/2/2018 1:36:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56:
Please confirm for me " the right forge marks"? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
The next time I do a Holland upper, I may go with the Bison Armory one and give them a try. The heavier SPR style profile as mentioned, $200 and add bead blast for $20, 1:7 twist. I've heard good things about them here and that was with the Recon profile that's closer to the BA TacGov. Bison 16" SPR tube And yes, you read that right. Hollandless for now but I plan to do it "right" when the time comes again, FDE handguard and FDE Duracoated upper with the right forge marks, Bison barrel bead blasted. Goal is 1:1 of the Holland carried by the gentleman from KRG Ops. I'm copying the top upper here: 
A plain Keyhole, or maybe Square forge mark should be fine. |
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Posted: 1/2/2018 2:20:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Well for the upper I was doing, it was just a Keyhole/Cerro, no Colt "C" or other stamps. Basically the Hollands should mainly have used new contract stripped uppers, though some may have re-used the SPR uppers if they were still serviceable as evidenced by upper/lower paint matching but the handguard being FDE Duracoat. I'm copying the top upper here: https://i.imgur.com/SIcp9uv.jpg A plain Keyhole, or maybe Square forge mark should be fine. 
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Posted: 1/2/2018 2:27:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Will816:
That’s the pic that got me into the Holland game |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2018 2:38:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Well for the upper I was doing, it was just a Keyhole/Cerro, no Colt "C" or other stamps. Basically the Hollands should mainly have used new contract stripped uppers, though some may have re-used the SPR uppers if they were still serviceable as evidenced by upper/lower paint matching but the handguard being FDE Duracoat. I'm copying the top upper here: https://i.imgur.com/SIcp9uv.jpg A plain Keyhole, or maybe Square forge mark should be fine. |
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Posted: 1/2/2018 2:55:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56:
OKay, good to know! I was misinformed that the upper receiver was also "C" stamped. Good thing I have the keyhole upper without any other markings. Finally something I don't have to buy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86: Well for the upper I was doing, it was just a Keyhole/Cerro, no Colt "C" or other stamps. Basically the Hollands should mainly have used new contract stripped uppers, though some may have re-used the SPR uppers if they were still serviceable as evidenced by upper/lower paint matching but the handguard being FDE Duracoat. I'm copying the top upper here: https://i.imgur.com/SIcp9uv.jpg A plain Keyhole, or maybe Square forge mark should be fine. There's no one pattern with them, some had FDE handguards and upper, some were FDE handguard, black upper, some were black/black, some had rattlecan on the upper but not the handguard, it's all a mix. |
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Posted: 1/2/2018 3:07:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chenault]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56:
OKay, good to know! I was misinformed that the upper receiver was also "C" stamped. Good thing I have the keyhole upper without any other markings. Finally something I don't have to buy. Check out page 1 of the holland thread also |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2018 3:40:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chenault: Lance is right. Basically, they took the old spr (MK12 mod 0) rifles and took what they could use and trashed the rest. In many cases new stripped uppers were used and they aren't marked with the c. One of just several reasons the holland is one of the cheaper spr clones to build. Check out page 1 of the holland thread also  I'll try and get through the other 39 pages tonight.
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Posted: 1/2/2018 6:16:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Will816:
That’s the pic that got me into the Holland game
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Posted: 1/2/2018 6:42:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56: Great to know and I had no idea about the Holland thread! After reading 4 of 43, I appreciate everyone answering my questions. Seems some of it was covered there! I'll try and get through the other 39 pages tonight. |
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Posted: 1/2/2018 10:31:47 PM EDT
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Sorry for the noob question, could someone point me in the right direction on deciding on a rear BUIS? I’m using the peq 2 rail from PRI and the clearance is minimal as seen in the pictures below. Thanks in advance to any replies
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Posted: 1/2/2018 10:52:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By loudxpack:
Sorry for the noob question, could someone point me in the right direction on deciding on a rear BUIS? I’m using the peq 2 rail from PRI and the clearance is minimal as seen in the pictures below. Thanks in advance to any replies https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/472230/C19890F9-77AF-4C52-BDB9-64B9165A0852-409256.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/472230/33D47DFF-6FC6-4134-AFB8-5AA9EC2E63AB-409257.JPG |
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Posted: 1/2/2018 11:06:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
The ARMS 40L is designed to fit under that little "ledge" of the rail. |
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Posted: 1/3/2018 11:59:28 AM EDT
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Making moves to buy the can. It will be my first NFA buy. NFA has always intimidated me, dunno why. I can only imagine the floodgates will now be opening.
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Posted: 1/3/2018 12:51:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
Making moves to buy the can. It will be my first NFA buy. NFA has always intimidated me, dunno why. I can only imagine the floodgates will now be opening. |
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Posted: 1/3/2018 1:15:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Into_the_Void]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Easiest money you'll ever spend. Most places make the process turnkey. Congrats. 
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Posted: 1/3/2018 1:17:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SDMF_Rebel: Up until very recently most places made it seem like a dark art. It didn't help that I know no one IRL with nfa toys. NFA dealers around me were jerkoffs (i.e. the only one for the longest time was raided by the ATF, then had a SWAT standoff at his home). Times have changed, and/or I stopped being a bitch 
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OR, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2018 1:43:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By loudxpack:
Thank you!! |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2018 8:34:12 PM EDT
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Quote History AEM5 is a freak of nature and probably the best purchase I have ever made. Brad |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 12:36:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Will816:
I'm guessing you guys are having a winter like us in ID. Where the hell is the snow? |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 1:08:34 AM EDT
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Is the mk12 18" barrel and rifle gas system a reliable system if run without a suppressor? I would assume that since the dwell time is shorter, that it may be a little finicky unless either suppressed or the gas port is larger. Ive been interested in these for awhile, but not so sure I would be getting a suppressor and reliability is #1 followed by accuracy. Thanks in advance for any feedback.
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HI, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2018 3:11:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ckopp636:
Is the mk12 18" barrel and rifle gas system a reliable system if run without a suppressor? I would assume that since the dwell time is shorter, that it may be a little finicky unless either suppressed or the gas port is larger. Ive been interested in these for awhile, but not so sure I would be getting a suppressor and reliability is #1 followed by accuracy. Thanks in advance for any feedback. |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 3:24:38 AM EDT
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DEU
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Posted: 1/4/2018 9:03:52 AM EDT
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Halleluja, I'm getting the Mod 1 Handguard and at not too bad of a price
All the rest is no problem at all, luckily one of my mates has someone who does imports at a very good price on speed-dial. This year is starting well
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Posted: 1/4/2018 11:24:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Philipp:
Halleluja, I'm getting the Mod 1 Handguard and at not too bad of a price
All the rest is no problem at all, luckily one of my mates has someone who does imports at a very good price on speed-dial. This year is starting well
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DEU
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Posted: 1/4/2018 11:53:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Will816:
Nice, make sure to get pics up as it's coming along
Handguard, DD MK12 Gas Block, KAC Rear and Front sight and the Arms #32 are coming first, all the other stuff I can order locally, gunsmith has recievers, a DPMS MK12 barrel, BCG and all the small parts, plan is going well so far :D |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 1:01:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2018 1:09:42 PM EDT
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Grats!
There's no way a sports shooter will ever get a surpressor over here... |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 1:47:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
I did a thing. It will be my first can. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/220444/suppressor-410676.JPG |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 1:49:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2018 1:50:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
I did a thing. It will be my first can. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/220444/suppressor-410676.JPG 
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Posted: 1/4/2018 2:24:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
I did a thing. It will be my first can. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/220444/suppressor-410676.JPG |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 2:35:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: If one was rebuilt on an SPR upper, then it possibly would have a Colt but it would be an "AF" forge mark. There's no one pattern with them, some had FDE handguards and upper, some were FDE handguard, black upper, some were black/black, some had rattlecan on the upper but not the handguard, it's all a mix. also, dont forget the Diemaco for Anchor Harvey upper. also an option :) |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 2:42:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
those 2 ACS stocked Mod H represent my basis for my clone. i had it like the other one with the FDE magpul MVG on it and SOCOM stock for awhile, but the ACS is lovely. i had a larue lt104 on mine for 1 day as i was wanting to clone to top rifle more closely, but 3" groups arent my style so i had to go back to RECCE rail. There are a lot of options for mod H. its not much cheaper tho...im at $3,400 in the pelican and can that is about $250 cheaper than an AEM5 lol also, dont forget the Diemaco for Anchor Harvey upper. also an option :) |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 2:46:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
I did a thing. It will be my first can. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/220444/suppressor-410676.JPG |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 2:52:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Niiice! These cans are so underrated, it's not even funny. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
I did a thing. It will be my first can. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/220444/suppressor-410676.JPG |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 2:55:06 PM EDT
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AEM5 is my favorite centerfire rifle can I own. Todd Magee of Dead Air posted the other day in the silencer forum that it is the quietest 5.56 can he's ever tested at both muzzle and ear. Pretty solid endorsement from another manufacturer.
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Posted: 1/4/2018 2:58:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Into_the_Void]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sbye:
Bought mine from Presample Depot too. ATF cashed my check on 12/12/17. I hope going the trust route wasn't too much of a mistake. Hopefully they get the wait times down. Edit - kind of killed the budget for buying an MRE when they become available
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Posted: 1/4/2018 3:38:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ckopp636:
Is the mk12 18" barrel and rifle gas system a reliable system if run without a suppressor? I would assume that since the dwell time is shorter, that it may be a little finicky unless either sucppressed or the gas port is larger. Ive been interested in these for awhile, but not so sure I would be getting a suppressor and reliability is #1 followed by accuracy. Thanks in advance for any feedback. |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 3:43:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outridher:
AEM5 is my favorite centerfire rifle can I own. Todd Magee of Dead Air posted the other day in the silencer forum that it is the quietest 5.56 can he's ever tested at both muzzle and ear. Pretty solid endorsement from another manufacturer. |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 3:49:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tamboi: Funny thing is I've never had a problem running the rifle suppressed or unsuppressed with actual MK262 or my own handloads. I've read so many postings by people over the years with regards other upper combos that they needed to have an adjustable gas block, no sure the reason why, when the MK12 gets the job done as it was originally built. |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 5:20:56 PM EDT
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Have we done this one yet?
NSW OIF: 
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Posted: 1/4/2018 6:49:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HaveBlue83]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Will816:
Why did the LT104 impact your groups? loving my recce and NF combo tho :). the issues immediately stopped at the range when i went back to that setup. |
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