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Posted: 9/30/2018 7:04:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dyzastr:
That's awesome. I will take you up in that offer next time we both have a Saturday or Sunday free to burn. I honestly thought you had an nt4. The lower back pressure is a nice plus, but I already have the qdss on all but 1. Wouldn't take much to swap em all for 3p's. I will definitely end up with multiple cans, knowing my impulsivity, but don't want more than 1 suppressor in each caliber 556, 762, 9,45. Things would get outta hand quick if I started buying multiples. Although an nt4 and sb would make the perfect pair. Then it'll be "oh, I may as well build a mk12 and get an aem5 while I'm at it. That's what I'm afraid of. Socom sb pros: 1.) lower back pressure. 2.) improved mounting 3.) cheaper 4.) I love to giggle like a little girl socom sb cons: 1.) not an nt4 2.) not a socom rc 3.) only partial credit for clone correctness 4.) none I can think of nt4 pros: 1.) it's an nt4 2.) I already have 3 mounts. 3.) its an nt4 4.) Its correct clone wise. nt4 cons: 1.) price 2.) availability can be hit or miss. Get one when you can find it. 3.) longer? 4.) slightly heavier? Can't remember if they ended up being really close with mounts added. well, it seems that however awesome the nt4 is, it'd mostly be an impulse buy based on it being an nt4. The sb, while not technically correct, is damn close enough, and will be cheaper and easier on my rifles. Now that I think I have my mind made up, watch em be out of stock  Will probably get an RC2 at some point, but the NT4 is calling my name |
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Posted: 9/30/2018 7:59:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SurtrsFire]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
NT4 first. Buy them all. https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1778/42104601395_61b9aee360_c.jpg https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4781/39989870754_a6e6882180_c.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
NT4 first. Buy them all. https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1778/42104601395_61b9aee360_c.jpg https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4781/39989870754_a6e6882180_c.jpg that is all. Originally Posted By drago6: I'm about %90 sure im going with an NT4 at this point. The durability, "lower tone", and lower chance of getting stuck were the selling points for me Will probably get an RC2 at some point, but the NT4 is calling my name it landed in a pile of coyote shit and got inside the can. i dont want to be there when he shoots it again. |
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Posted: 9/30/2018 8:33:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
NT4 first. Buy them all. https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1778/42104601395_61b9aee360_c.jpg https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4781/39989870754_a6e6882180_c.jpg |
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Posted: 9/30/2018 8:36:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dyzastr]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SurtrsFire: make more mk18 and mk12 videos. that is all. friend got his rc2 stuck on my mk18 upper today, had to shoot it off with the collar loose. it landed in a pile of coyote shit and got inside the can. i dont want to be there when he shoots it again. Anyone have issues with the nt4 gate latch system? Does that one commonly get gummed up? I know it's a common suppressor issue, but comparatively, which is less troublesome in that regard?
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Posted: 9/30/2018 8:47:41 PM EDT
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What kind of POI shift does the nt4 cause on 10.3" barrels?
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Posted: 9/30/2018 8:54:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SurtrsFire:
it landed in a pile of coyote shit and got inside the can. 
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Posted: 9/30/2018 8:56:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5pt56]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4A1SOPMOD:
What kind of POI shift does the nt4 cause on 10.3" barrels? Edit: fat fingered the .25 mil. Fixed now.. |
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Posted: 9/30/2018 9:23:39 PM EDT
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Among my selection of cans I have five various Surefire SOCOM’s. I’ve yet to get one stuck. I think my trick is not moving hot cans between rifles. Only time I’ve seen it happen was a buddy moved his Omega from his AR10 to a bolt gun after it was hot. Required some serious wrenching and a vice on the muzzle device to get it loose....
Also, Dyz, I don’t have an NT4 but I do have a Griffin M4SDK. It’s mount system design is suspiciously close to the NT4. Based on it and playing with an NT4 on an SOT buddies rifle I think it would take a tremendous amount of carbon to make it stick. There is a decent amount of play in both mounts though. SOCOM mounts up tight. Since we’re posting pics of our can collections... 
This is an older pic. It’s grown since then..... |
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Posted: 9/30/2018 9:48:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By compuvette:
Among my selection of cans I have five various Surefire SOCOM’s. I’ve yet to get one stuck. I think my trick is not moving hot cans between rifles. Only time I’ve seen it happen was a buddy moved his Omega from his AR10 to a bolt gun after it was hot. Required some serious wrenching and a vice on the muzzle device to get it loose.... Also, Dyz, I don’t have an NT4 but I do have a Griffin M4SDK. It’s mount system design is suspiciously close to the NT4. Based on it and playing with an NT4 on an SOT buddies rifle I think it would take a tremendous amount of carbon to make it stick. There is a decent amount of play in both mounts though. SOCOM mounts up tight. Since we’re posting pics of our can collections... https://i.imgur.com/CGTln54.jpg This is an older pic. It’s grown since then..... 
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Posted: 9/30/2018 9:48:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By compuvette:
Among my selection of cans I have five various Surefire SOCOM’s. I’ve yet to get one stuck. I think my trick is not moving hot cans between rifles. Only time I’ve seen it happen was a buddy moved his Omega from his AR10 to a bolt gun after it was hot. Required some serious wrenching and a vice on the muzzle device to get it loose.... Also, Dyz, I don’t have an NT4 but I do have a Griffin M4SDK. It’s mount system design is suspiciously close to the NT4. Based on it and playing with an NT4 on an SOT buddies rifle I think it would take a tremendous amount of carbon to make it stick. There is a decent amount of play in both mounts though. SOCOM mounts up tight. Since we’re posting pics of our can collections... https://i.imgur.com/CGTln54.jpg This is an older pic. It’s grown since then.....
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Posted: 9/30/2018 9:52:39 PM EDT
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Hate when all you big boys post those pics. Makes me feel like a peon in the nfa game.
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Posted: 9/30/2018 10:02:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio:
Hate when all you big boys post those pics. Makes me feel like a peon in the nfa game. Totally jealous.
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Posted: 9/30/2018 10:18:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ivan1:
Besides the fact we can’t have supressors in this state, I’ll go be poor somewhere else Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ivan1:
Originally Posted By compuvette:
Among my selection of cans I have five various Surefire SOCOM’s. I’ve yet to get one stuck. I think my trick is not moving hot cans between rifles. Only time I’ve seen it happen was a buddy moved his Omega from his AR10 to a bolt gun after it was hot. Required some serious wrenching and a vice on the muzzle device to get it loose.... Also, Dyz, I don’t have an NT4 but I do have a Griffin M4SDK. It’s mount system design is suspiciously close to the NT4. Based on it and playing with an NT4 on an SOT buddies rifle I think it would take a tremendous amount of carbon to make it stick. There is a decent amount of play in both mounts though. SOCOM mounts up tight. Since we’re posting pics of our can collections... https://i.imgur.com/CGTln54.jpg This is an older pic. It’s grown since then.....
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Posted: 9/30/2018 10:30:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By compuvette:
Among my selection of cans I have five various Surefire SOCOM's. I've yet to get one stuck. I think my trick is not moving hot cans between rifles. Only time I've seen it happen was a buddy moved his Omega from his AR10 to a bolt gun after it was hot. Required some serious wrenching and a vice on the muzzle device to get it loose.... Also, Dyz, I don't have an NT4 but I do have a Griffin M4SDK. It's mount system design is suspiciously close to the NT4. Based on it and playing with an NT4 on an SOT buddies rifle I think it would take a tremendous amount of carbon to make it stick. There is a decent amount of play in both mounts though. SOCOM mounts up tight. Since we're posting pics of our can collections... https://i.imgur.com/CGTln54.jpg This is an older pic. It's grown since then..... |
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Posted: 9/30/2018 10:37:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dyzastr:
That's impressive. And it's grown? I agree, the m4sd design is reminiscent of the nt4. I always thought there was a resemblance. That's about the closest lookalike there is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dyzastr:
Originally Posted By compuvette:
Among my selection of cans I have five various Surefire SOCOM's. I've yet to get one stuck. I think my trick is not moving hot cans between rifles. Only time I've seen it happen was a buddy moved his Omega from his AR10 to a bolt gun after it was hot. Required some serious wrenching and a vice on the muzzle device to get it loose.... Also, Dyz, I don't have an NT4 but I do have a Griffin M4SDK. It's mount system design is suspiciously close to the NT4. Based on it and playing with an NT4 on an SOT buddies rifle I think it would take a tremendous amount of carbon to make it stick. There is a decent amount of play in both mounts though. SOCOM mounts up tight. Since we're posting pics of our can collections... https://i.imgur.com/CGTln54.jpg This is an older pic. It's grown since then..... |
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Posted: 9/30/2018 10:53:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Griffin makes a few things that appear to be "inspired" by KAC products. Oh did I say that out loud |
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Posted: 9/30/2018 10:54:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SurtrsFire:
Inspired is a funny way to say outright copied then threatened to sue anyone who called them out Oh did I say that out loud Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SurtrsFire:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Griffin makes a few things that appear to be "inspired" by KAC products. Oh did I say that out loud
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Posted: 9/30/2018 11:39:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dyzastr:
That's impressive. And it's grown? I agree, the m4sd design is reminiscent of the nt4. I always thought there was a resemblance. That's about the closest lookalike there is. If I could only have one of my 556 cans I’d have a Surefire Mini. I know it’s not clone correct but it does everything I want it to do. |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 12:03:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2018 8:54:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooled:
That's odd, at least the pin is solid, my old one broke like 5 of them because of the loose fitting latch. Standard latch has been trouble free so far at least. i picked up a g handle yesterday and am tempted to run it on the cqbr lol... |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 9:27:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By compuvette: It's grown a little since that pic. I can honestly say the M4SDK is a great "general purpose" can. I love it on my Mk18. Using a Griffin single port brake (for a more consistent mount than an A2) I've had good repeatability. The mount really does work well but it's got a LOT more movement than I'd like. The Surefires lock up solid. No rotation or wobble at all. The Surefires have lower back pressure than anything else I've got and the repeatability is awesome. Honestly I use the Mini's more than any other rifle can. Nice and short, plus they take the bite out of SBR's. I can just wear plugs and be totally comfortable. If I could only have one of my 556 cans I'd have a Surefire Mini. I know it's not clone correct but it does everything I want it to do. |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 9:36:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subiescott: What would be most clone correct in terms of a charging handle? How did Raptor make it's way into the game and would G be completely wrong? CD posted a pic of some national guard cqbrs sporting raptors so they became an in the wild used part. |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 9:58:19 AM EDT
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Order of clones for charging handles
1. Standard USGI 2. PRI (SOCOM) 3. Raptor (National Guard bought) 4. Geissele (just coming on line in the URGI) CD |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 12:02:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conner378:
Can I be MILSPEC today and be that guy
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Posted: 10/1/2018 12:20:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio:
Hate when all you big boys post those pics. Makes me feel like a peon in the nfa game. Totally jealous. |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 3:31:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Order of clones for charging handles 1. Standard USGI 2. PRI (SOCOM) 3. Raptor (National Guard bought) 4. Geissele (just coming on line in the URGI) CD One less thing for you guys to give me shit about when I finally post pics
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Posted: 10/1/2018 3:45:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dyzastr:
I've thought about gettin mini before. I know there's pics of the mini monster out there. There's gotta pics of the mini in use too. Seriously though, I use the Mini Surefires more than any other of my 556 cans. |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 4:05:42 PM EDT
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The NT4 carbon build up is between the flash hider and can, not the gate.
The SF cans I have, have never needed to be shot off. But I've yet to shoot with someone with a SOCOM that I couldn't remove it by just having the gun between my legs and wiggling the can off. I've done it both hot and cold to see if makes a huge difference. Surefire (This had like a couple ounces of carbon build up on it) 
NT4 
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Like 15-20K rounds 
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Posted: 10/1/2018 4:30:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: compuvette]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
The NT4 carbon build up is between the flash hider and can, not the gate. https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2933/33422750680_d3fa4d89da_c.jpg The SF cans I have, have never needed to be shot off. But I've yet to shoot with someone with a SOCOM that I couldn't remove it by just having the gun between my legs and wiggling the can off. I've done it both hot and cold to see if makes a huge difference. Surefire (This had like a couple ounces of carbon build up on it) https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8094/29525716882_e65fef5a86_c.jpg NT4 https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8533/29601394796_277233e73b_c.jpg Brand new weight: https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3928/15437863295_d9fd0e5113_c.jpg Like 15-20K rounds https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4767/39477342195_a57c4512af_c.jpg |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 5:35:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Wormydog1987]
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Macushla
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Posted: 10/1/2018 5:53:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
The NT4 carbon build up is between the flash hider and can, not the gate. https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2933/33422750680_d3fa4d89da_c.jpg The SF cans I have, have never needed to be shot off. But I've yet to shoot with someone with a SOCOM that I couldn't remove it by just having the gun between my legs and wiggling the can off. I've done it both hot and cold to see if makes a huge difference. Surefire (This had like a couple ounces of carbon build up on it) https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8094/29525716882_e65fef5a86_c.jpg NT4 https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8533/29601394796_277233e73b_c.jpg Brand new weight: https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3928/15437863295_d9fd0e5113_c.jpg Like 15-20K rounds https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4767/39477342195_a57c4512af_c.jpg |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 6:33:54 PM EDT
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Not sure how people get them stuck, I have shot hundreds of rounds in the same session between 3 muzzle devices with no issues.
maybe I just get lucky |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 6:41:32 PM EDT
[#33]
If you like clones, I know most people wished they'd gotten the correct cans later down the road. For what it's worth and who I've talked to.
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Posted: 10/1/2018 8:44:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
If you like clones, I know most people wished they'd gotten the correct cans later down the road. For what it's worth and who I've talked to. |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 8:54:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooled:
Not sure how people get them stuck, I have shot hundreds of rounds in the same session between 3 muzzle devices with no issues. maybe I just get lucky |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 9:21:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tmender03:
Same, I've used the same can between 2 different rifles, and never had it stick. Granted both were using SF4P's, so I dunno if that has anything to do with it?  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 9:26:45 PM EDT
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Friend and I put about 1500 rds through my gun and his surefire refused to budge
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Posted: 10/1/2018 9:27:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ECPrevatte:
If you like clones, I know most people wished they'd gotten the correct cans later down the road. For what it's worth and who I've talked to. Originally Posted By vanquishings: This 100%. I have an SiCo Omega just rolling around because of this very reason, and now I find myself looking for the harder to find cans like an idiot. |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 9:33:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dyzastr]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wormydog1987:
Macushla https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1944/44128994425_397d996ac4_z.jpg 
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Posted: 10/1/2018 9:38:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dyzastr:
Oh snap, you got it! Did you swap out the qrp for the Kac? Looks good. I thought it looked pretty mean with the qrp too. The one I've got comin has the optic (2moa comp m3) on a twist mount, the manifyer is in a pvs14 mount, and they are both mounted on an lt-110. Looks like I'll have an extra Ecos-c for ole' milspecs 552. I thought I was getting an M2, like what the ad said. But it’s really a ML3. Not real happy about that, like come on you don’t even know what you’re selling? He offered to swap it for an M2 he supposedly has but I’m not waiting for it, especially since he was so damn slow shipping in the first place. I’ll just use it I guess. Looks the same, works the same except for NV compatibility. Oh well. |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 10:45:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/2/2018 12:05:25 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Order of clones for charging handles 1. Standard USGI 2. PRI (SOCOM) 3. Raptor (National Guard bought) 4. Geissele (just coming on line in the URGI) CD |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 12:37:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bones-tx: I fell for the meme and got a Gas Buster in FDE. I like it. I think all the M84s I've ever seen on Mod 1s are black. Do I shame family with my incorrectness, or do I enjoy my nice tan charging handle with confidence?  Attached FileCD |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 1:27:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Order of clones for charging handles 1. Standard USGI 2. PRI (SOCOM) 3. Raptor (National Guard bought) 4. Geissele (just coming on line in the URGI) CD I get discounts with Geissele but don't want to stray this block ii build too far into the future... |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 3:01:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subiescott: I'm at a struggle between being correct and cost efficiency. I'm sure the answer is USGI but I want something more legit then that, given I'd like to prepare for a can despite Illinois not allowing them. I get discounts with Geissele but don't want to stray this block ii build too far into the future... Now if you want to clone a specified year/event then go with either USGI or PRI.
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Posted: 10/2/2018 3:33:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: krdt]
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Well, holy fuck! My stamp for the RC came in today :D!!
My FFL/SOT tried to give me a heart attack with the subject line, "Dude, you got denied!" :\. I'm going to try and pick it up tomorrow or Wednesday. Hopefully, that means the CQBR Form 1 is already approved or I can get it approved very soon by applying this background check approval to it. About fuckin' time! Woot! |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 4:04:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt:
Well, holy fuck! My stamp for the RC came in today :D!! https://media1.tenor.com/images/7528819f1bcc9a212d5c23be19be5bf6/tenor.gif?itemid=8120829 My FFL/SOT tried to give me a heart attack with the subject line, "Dude, you got denied!" :\. I'm going to try and pick it up tomorrow or Wednesday. Hopefully, that means the CQBR Form 1 is already approved or I can get it approved very soon by applying this background check approval to it. About fuckin' time! Woot!
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Posted: 10/2/2018 4:20:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
When you go pick it up, study some part of it very closely and ask him if this is right. Get him to look at it real close, then whack him right in the dome with it and say "don't ever fuck around with my NFA shit" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By krdt:
Well, holy fuck! My stamp for the RC came in today :D!! https://media1.tenor.com/images/7528819f1bcc9a212d5c23be19be5bf6/tenor.gif?itemid=8120829 My FFL/SOT tried to give me a heart attack with the subject line, "Dude, you got denied!" :\. I'm going to try and pick it up tomorrow or Wednesday. Hopefully, that means the CQBR Form 1 is already approved or I can get it approved very soon by applying this background check approval to it. About fuckin' time! Woot! I just hope the F1 is soon to follow - CQBR wants a SOPMOD or Colt N1 to go with the RC :D. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 6:16:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SurtrsFire:
Geissele will be clone correct? One less thing for you guys to give me shit about when I finally post pics Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SurtrsFire:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Order of clones for charging handles 1. Standard USGI 2. PRI (SOCOM) 3. Raptor (National Guard bought) 4. Geissele (just coming on line in the URGI) CD One less thing for you guys to give me shit about when I finally post pics |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 6:37:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyekahn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subiescott: I'm at a struggle between being correct and cost efficiency. I'm sure the answer is USGI but I want something more legit then that, given I'd like to prepare for a can despite Illinois not allowing them. I get discounts with Geissele but don't want to stray this block ii build too far into the future... In addition to that a PRI with RTV is much easier to shoot quick without gas in your eyes. |
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