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Originally Posted By jrs93accord:
Where are you guys getting this info? The ATF reg I read states that mounting a VFG to an AR pistol constitutes an AOW, thereby requiring a federal tax stamp. The MAGPUL AFG is an approved accessory to be used on the AR pistol. There is a problem with this statement. "If the OAL is greater than 26" it becomes a "Firearm" when you attach a VFG. It's legal." The problem is that it is a "firearm" to begin with, regardless of OAL, VFG, AFG, etc. The main problem here is identifying the firearm. Is it a pistol, SBR, or AOW? There are some distinct differences between each of these. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By jrs93accord:
Originally Posted By GhostJB:
Originally Posted By 503Gunslinger:
I like it. How long does that buffer setup extend behind the receiver? ETA: MINE https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2860/13256723905_e69f6b570e_o.jpg hey bud, your breaking the law with that pistol in the middle. vertical foregrips are not aloud on pistils. just fyi If the OAL is greater than 26" it becomes a "Firearm" when you attach a VFG. It's legal. Good for watching out, though. I'm sure there are some lurkers here more knowledgeable than I, however, so I ask the question: is this the minimum OAL, tip of the receiver extension to the end of the muzzle threads or is it the OAL at the time of the VFG being on the firearm, to include any removable muzzle devices? Where are you guys getting this info? The ATF reg I read states that mounting a VFG to an AR pistol constitutes an AOW, thereby requiring a federal tax stamp. The MAGPUL AFG is an approved accessory to be used on the AR pistol. There is a problem with this statement. "If the OAL is greater than 26" it becomes a "Firearm" when you attach a VFG. It's legal." The problem is that it is a "firearm" to begin with, regardless of OAL, VFG, AFG, etc. The main problem here is identifying the firearm. Is it a pistol, SBR, or AOW? There are some distinct differences between each of these. http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf This letter explains a little better. Basically as defined an AOW is capable of being concealed. However the definition does not include pistols with rifled bores. By putting a vert grip on a pistol you are making it no longer a pistol because it is no longer designed to be fired with one hand. This changes it to an AOW. If your pistol with a vert grip is longer than 26" it is no longer considered capable of being concealed and therefore it is no longer considered an AOW it is now a "firearm". It is not a pistol, nor a rifle, nor an AOW. I am not a lawyer and this is my understanding of these convoluted laws and rulings. |
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Originally Posted By jrs93accord:
To me, that addresses one particular weapon that is being manufactured. It does not mention anything in general sense. I prefer to go by the ATF regs that pertain to AR pistols and keep my pistol legal and void of any questions. <a href="http://s100.photobucket.com/user/jamesrea_2006/media/Weapons%202013/004_zpsc4d1b3bf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/Weapons%202013/004_zpsc4d1b3bf.jpg</a> View Quote While the letter may pertain to a particular weapon it references the laws and explains why that weapon is exempt. The laws are the same regardless of the weapon they are explaining Some additional reading. http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-2.pdf |
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Originally Posted By Brutus2:
Great looking weapon. That Aero COP works. Where did you get the RE extensions? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Brutus2:
Originally Posted By Tigergolfer22:
I finished mine Friday Aero cop upper bought in ee Stripped lower aero Cmmg kit Kak tube and extentions Sig sb15 Cerakoted tungsten Trijicon rx06-14 http://<a href=http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/nathan_goodwin1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps3f99f853.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/nathan_goodwin1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsfa0aa875.jpg</a>" /> Great looking weapon. That Aero COP works. Where did you get the RE extensions? The extentions came from kak as well worth the 12 bucks |
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Sig PM400 11.5" w/ SB15 brace, AFG2, Eotech 512. Not much diff in sound/recoil/muzzle flash (outdoor range, not rapid fire)...brace is solid and doesn't budge at all. Love this thing! :)
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http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr316/Lgaither6/DSC00329_zps908b1891.jpg
Mas Defense 7.5” barrel LAR Grizzly upper Anderson Lower PSA LPK Magpul Moe + Grip Rock River Pistol /Buffer/ Spring Surplus Ammo Nickel Boron BCG UTG pro 4/15 FF mid rails (should have gone carbine length) Levange linear Omega sights Sigtac SB15 |
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We had a Vehicle Based Incidents course at PFT yesterday. After the class wrapped up, I decided to get the AR pistol out and play a little.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHRoiwm5E1k&feature=youtu.be[/youtube] |
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Originally Posted By Wayneard3413:
We had a Vehicle Based Incidents course at PFT yesterday. After the class wrapped up, I decided to get the AR pistol out and play a little. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHRoiwm5E1k&feature=youtu.be View Quote |
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Originally Posted By jrs93accord:
Where are you guys getting this info? The ATF reg I read states that mounting a VFG to an AR pistol constitutes an AOW, thereby requiring a federal tax stamp. The MAGPUL AFG is an approved accessory to be used on the AR pistol. There is a problem with this statement. "If the OAL is greater than 26" it becomes a "Firearm" when you attach a VFG. It's legal." The problem is that it is a "firearm" to begin with, regardless of OAL, VFG, AFG, etc. The main problem here is identifying the firearm. Is it a pistol, SBR, or AOW? There are some distinct differences between each of these. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By jrs93accord:
Originally Posted By GhostJB:
Originally Posted By 503Gunslinger:
I like it. How long does that buffer setup extend behind the receiver? ETA: MINE https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2860/13256723905_e69f6b570e_o.jpg hey bud, your breaking the law with that pistol in the middle. vertical foregrips are not aloud on pistils. just fyi If the OAL is greater than 26" it becomes a "Firearm" when you attach a VFG. It's legal. Good for watching out, though. I'm sure there are some lurkers here more knowledgeable than I, however, so I ask the question: is this the minimum OAL, tip of the receiver extension to the end of the muzzle threads or is it the OAL at the time of the VFG being on the firearm, to include any removable muzzle devices? Where are you guys getting this info? The ATF reg I read states that mounting a VFG to an AR pistol constitutes an AOW, thereby requiring a federal tax stamp. The MAGPUL AFG is an approved accessory to be used on the AR pistol. There is a problem with this statement. "If the OAL is greater than 26" it becomes a "Firearm" when you attach a VFG. It's legal." The problem is that it is a "firearm" to begin with, regardless of OAL, VFG, AFG, etc. The main problem here is identifying the firearm. Is it a pistol, SBR, or AOW? There are some distinct differences between each of these. FIFY: The MAGPUL and FAB Defense AFG are approved accessories to be used on the AR pistol. |
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Edit: Haha, wow... totally redundant postage.
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^----- Dirty
NSR rail !!!! Kx5, aimpoint with a magnifier! I just came |
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Originally Posted By delirious1:
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/40EBBC64-7D00-4B3B-8C4E-9C966BFEF7F8_zpsgmnib0tz.jpg http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/ED1FA5AA-EFF5-4D35-AAB3-D6AAE17C3FA8_zpscnjz1xrl.jpg http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/53CCB7BF-B9D2-4683-8367-C8349968BD8C_zpsxk4am9m0.jpg Noveske diplomat, NSR 9, KX5 View Quote Very slick build. Needs more sig brace though |
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Originally Posted By Pmbspyder:
Very slick build. Needs more sig brace though View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Pmbspyder:
Originally Posted By delirious1:
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/40EBBC64-7D00-4B3B-8C4E-9C966BFEF7F8_zpsgmnib0tz.jpg http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/ED1FA5AA-EFF5-4D35-AAB3-D6AAE17C3FA8_zpscnjz1xrl.jpg http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/53CCB7BF-B9D2-4683-8367-C8349968BD8C_zpsxk4am9m0.jpg Noveske diplomat, NSR 9, KX5 Very slick build. Needs more sig brace though I hate the look of the sig brace. I just learned to use it like it is. Too bulky with all that extra crap. |
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Originally Posted By RecoilSensitive:
Here are some simple cell phone pics of my build Red dot has been removed and replaced with MBUS until i get a better sight ESEE knife company Lower Stainless Anderson Parts Kit MOE Grip Sig Brace on KAK buffer tube DPMS Kitty Cat 11.5 Upper Aim NiBx BCG BCM VLTOR CH <a href="http://s629.photobucket.com/user/badasszx3/media/IMG_19671_zps1d7e7f2e.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu14/badasszx3/IMG_19671_zps1d7e7f2e.jpg</a> <a href="http://s629.photobucket.com/user/badasszx3/media/IMG_19681_zps41d65918.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu14/badasszx3/IMG_19681_zps41d65918.jpg</a> <a href="http://s629.photobucket.com/user/badasszx3/media/IMG_19661_zps042ce670.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu14/badasszx3/IMG_19661_zps042ce670.jpg</a> View Quote That's badass! I love the pictograms for safe/fire! |
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Thanks
It is nice and is 1 of 125 made |
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Well I'm about half way through my wait for my SBR stamp on my PWS MK110 MOD1, decided to go ahead and build my first pistol.
Kept it simple, do have plans to shave down the FSB and install an 11" Troy VTAC rail on it. BCM 11.5" Upper PSA BCG MI Rear Flip Up Sight B.A.D. Lever KAK Super SB Tube w/ QD Endplate 40rd PMAG Runner Runner Guns Texas Flag Lower w/ DPMS Parts Kit SigTac SB-15 Brace http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/yup37/EA615F29-079E-4E9A-AB38-7F75E5E7F4D1_zpsafzhkwbk.jpg http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/yup37/F4C7B325-6E0D-498E-978A-2730E51F5A49_zpspyobmzgt.jpg |
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Originally Posted By misfit12:
Well I'm about half way through my wait for my SBR stamp on my PWS MK110 MOD1, decided to go ahead and build my first pistol. Kept it simple, do have plans to shave down the FSB and install an 11" Troy VTAC rail on it. BCM 11.5" Upper PSA BCG MI Rear Flip Up Sight B.A.D. Lever KAK Super SB Tube w/ QD Endplate 40rd PMAG Runner Runner Guns Texas Flag Lower w/ DPMS Parts Kit SigTac SB-15 Brace <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/yup37/media/EA615F29-079E-4E9A-AB38-7F75E5E7F4D1_zpsafzhkwbk.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/yup37/EA615F29-079E-4E9A-AB38-7F75E5E7F4D1_zpsafzhkwbk.jpg</a> <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/yup37/media/F4C7B325-6E0D-498E-978A-2730E51F5A49_zpspyobmzgt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/yup37/F4C7B325-6E0D-498E-978A-2730E51F5A49_zpspyobmzgt.jpg</a> View Quote that's a clean build misfit.. i like it! |
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Originally Posted By delirious1:
I hate the look of the sig brace. I just learned to use it like it is. Too bulky with all that extra crap. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By delirious1:
Originally Posted By Pmbspyder:
Originally Posted By delirious1:
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/40EBBC64-7D00-4B3B-8C4E-9C966BFEF7F8_zpsgmnib0tz.jpg http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/ED1FA5AA-EFF5-4D35-AAB3-D6AAE17C3FA8_zpscnjz1xrl.jpg http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/53CCB7BF-B9D2-4683-8367-C8349968BD8C_zpsxk4am9m0.jpg Noveske diplomat, NSR 9, KX5 Very slick build. Needs more sig brace though I hate the look of the sig brace. I just learned to use it like it is. Too bulky with all that extra crap. Nice pistol. The thing about the SIG Brace wont grow on you until you use one. It is waaaaay better than a tube.... very stock-like |
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Originally Posted By Brutus2:
Nice pistol. The thing about the SIG Brace wont grow on you until you use one. It is waaaaay better than a tube.... very stock-like View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Brutus2:
Originally Posted By delirious1:
Originally Posted By Pmbspyder:
Originally Posted By delirious1:
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/40EBBC64-7D00-4B3B-8C4E-9C966BFEF7F8_zpsgmnib0tz.jpg http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/ED1FA5AA-EFF5-4D35-AAB3-D6AAE17C3FA8_zpscnjz1xrl.jpg http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/53CCB7BF-B9D2-4683-8367-C8349968BD8C_zpsxk4am9m0.jpg Noveske diplomat, NSR 9, KX5 Very slick build. Needs more sig brace though I hate the look of the sig brace. I just learned to use it like it is. Too bulky with all that extra crap. Nice pistol. The thing about the SIG Brace wont grow on you until you use one. It is waaaaay better than a tube.... very stock-like Exactly. God forbid something thats light yrs more functional then a bare buffer tube...doesn't look cool. Therefore some won't use it. At least the brace has Function on its side. If it wasn't for the brace, I wouldn't be even owning an AR pistol right now. |
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Originally Posted By hipower90:
Exactly. God forbid something thats light yrs more functional then a bare buffer tube...doesn't look cool. Therefore some won't use it. At least the brace has Function on its side. If it wasn't for the brace, I wouldn't be even owning an AR pistol right now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By hipower90:
Originally Posted By Brutus2:
Originally Posted By delirious1:
Originally Posted By Pmbspyder:
Originally Posted By delirious1:
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/40EBBC64-7D00-4B3B-8C4E-9C966BFEF7F8_zpsgmnib0tz.jpg http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/ED1FA5AA-EFF5-4D35-AAB3-D6AAE17C3FA8_zpscnjz1xrl.jpg http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/53CCB7BF-B9D2-4683-8367-C8349968BD8C_zpsxk4am9m0.jpg Noveske diplomat, NSR 9, KX5 Very slick build. Needs more sig brace though I hate the look of the sig brace. I just learned to use it like it is. Too bulky with all that extra crap. Nice pistol. The thing about the SIG Brace wont grow on you until you use one. It is waaaaay better than a tube.... very stock-like Exactly. God forbid something thats light yrs more functional then a bare buffer tube...doesn't look cool. Therefore some won't use it. At least the brace has Function on its side. If it wasn't for the brace, I wouldn't be even owning an AR pistol right now. To each their own but in this case the ergonomic gain is too large not to point out. I used a kak tube and the small spacer with my Brace and it is as comfortable to use as any stationary stock and it's construction gives it some good recoil absorbing chracteristics. I was never interested in a ar pistol as the shortest I wanted barrel was 11.5". When I learned of this brace and saw it in action I had one built in less than 2 weeks and I can honestly say after using the pistol with and without the brace.... I wouldn't own an AR pistol without one, it would be the equivalent of excluding bipods from a long range gun based on a aesthetics. |
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I agree. The Sig brace has me considering buying an AK pistol or building an AR pistol.
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My name is John, and I was a Sig brace hater. I now own 2
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O.K....I sold all my HKs, but I have to keep my Identity!
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It may be too big and kind of ugly but all that goes away when you use one.
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Originally Posted By hipower90:
lol Meanwhile, back at the lab..(yes its OAL is well over 26"). Shooting today here at the house. And otherwise seeing if I even like a VFG. <a href="http://s35.photobucket.com/user/hipower90hipower/media/SampWE1911WC1448_zps6dc9f28b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/hipower90hipower/SampWE1911WC1448_zps6dc9f28b.jpg</a> View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By hipower90:
Originally Posted By HK_DUDE:
My name is John, and I was a Sig brace hater. I now own 2 lol Meanwhile, back at the lab..(yes its OAL is well over 26"). Shooting today here at the house. And otherwise seeing if I even like a VFG. <a href="http://s35.photobucket.com/user/hipower90hipower/media/SampWE1911WC1448_zps6dc9f28b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/hipower90hipower/SampWE1911WC1448_zps6dc9f28b.jpg</a> Sigs FDE seems to match up with magpul FDE pretty well, nice pistol |
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Originally Posted By HK_DUDE:
The twins.....well almost. I am $200 (LAW Folder) away from them being twins http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/Twins6.jpg View Quote You have a nice pair .. errm i mean set.. nice guns |
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Originally Posted By Brutus2:
You have a nice pair .. errm i mean set.. nice guns View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Brutus2:
Originally Posted By HK_DUDE:
The twins.....well almost. I am $200 (LAW Folder) away from them being twins http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/Twins6.jpg You have a nice pair .. errm i mean set.. nice guns Thank you, thank you very much |
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O.K....I sold all my HKs, but I have to keep my Identity!
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Originally Posted By CtSmshr:
http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a584/GudOlBoy1/20140405_172400_zps7f1834f2.jpg View Quote Details please... |
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You'll be shitting bald eagles and pissing red white and blue. --Subnet
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pic request, 7" next to a 10" same hgs, if possible
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'Although your letter does not deserve a reply, since you call me a corsair, I write you these few lines to ask you to come quickly. We are waiting for you with great pleasure and we have powder and ball with which to receive you.' Sir Henry Morgan
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Originally Posted By crzapy:
Waiting for the Doublestar upper. So far: Spikes lower PSA LPK KaK flash can Sig brace KaK buffer tube and pistol buffer magpul grip <a href="http://s967.photobucket.com/user/crzapy/media/IMG_2381_zps72e4953e.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae160/crzapy/IMG_2381_zps72e4953e.jpg</a> View Quote how you liek the KAK can ?? |
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Originally Posted By gotuonpaper:
Details please... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By gotuonpaper:
Originally Posted By CtSmshr:
http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a584/GudOlBoy1/20140405_172400_zps7f1834f2.jpg Details please... Lower is Noveske Gen 1, Spikes LPK, Noveske takedown pins, RRA tube, ASAP plate, carbine spring and buffer. It has a TD large grip on it in the pic but I switched it for a BCM Mod3. Upper is a LMT factory 10.5, Centurion carbine cutout rail, DD BCG, Standard CH, DD fixed rear sight, AAC 51t brake. Aimpoint H1 on a Larue mount. Light is a SF p2x fury in a Thorntail mount. I broke down last night and ordered the Sig brace... |
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Originally Posted By toolboxluis00100:
how you liek the KAK can ?? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By toolboxluis00100:
Originally Posted By crzapy:
Waiting for the Doublestar upper. So far: Spikes lower PSA LPK KaK flash can Sig brace KaK buffer tube and pistol buffer magpul grip <a href="http://s967.photobucket.com/user/crzapy/media/IMG_2381_zps72e4953e.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae160/crzapy/IMG_2381_zps72e4953e.jpg</a> how you liek the KAK can ?? I dunno yet. Once I get the upper I will post a range report. |
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