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NY, USA
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Posted: 11/13/2017 11:14:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clicker58:
Anyone using the 25-223 custom 2 die set by Redding? I see them listed as a special order item from Midway, product # 698436. Yes the 25-223 Redding dies will work for the 25-223Ar. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/14/2017 9:00:25 AM EDT
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I'm interested in this, but this thread is too long to sift out details. What I gather is:
The "25-45 sharps" is a full length 223 case while the "25-223" is a slightly shortened 223 case that allows heavier bullets to be used in an ar magazine - is that correct? The 22-45 seems readily available and the barrels are inexpensive which I like. Any details on 320pf and his barrels? Price? Who is he? Any other source for 25-223 barrels? |
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Posted: 11/14/2017 12:07:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morgan321:
I'm interested in this, but this thread is too long to sift out details. What I gather is: The "25-45 sharps" is a full length 223 case while the "25-223" is a slightly shortened 223 case that allows heavier bullets to be used in an ar magazine - is that correct? The 22-45 seems readily available and the barrels are inexpensive which I like. Any details on 320pf and his barrels? Price? Who is he? Any other source for 25-223 barrels? Also to the whole 25-223 community, I have been in discussions with Cavity Back bullets to make us some killer 25 cal hunting bullets. If you have never heard of them, check them out. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/14/2017 12:42:03 PM EDT
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320pf is the go to guy for barrels. I purchased 3 from him this past spring. Life has gotten in the way so I haven't had much time to work up but a few loads. Most have been on the weak side (2500/2600 fps) with no pressure signs. I want to compare a 15" barrel to a 24" barrel to see the difference it makes.
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Posted: 11/14/2017 2:16:33 PM EDT
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Shooters World Blackout and CFE BLK have been showing higher velocities than 2200 in the 6.8 and 30 Herret, as well as 7.62x40, etc, etc, all of which basically have the same expansion ratio as the 25-223. I have both of these powders and hope to try them out soon and will post the results.
Also, I have three boxes of Hornady 117gr RN I want to sell or trade. IM me if interested. I got them originally got them to make a close range hammer in the timber, but now I have a 358 Yeti for that. |
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SD, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2017 12:12:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morgan321:
I'm interested in this, but this thread is too long to sift out details. What I gather is: The "25-45 sharps" is a full length 223 case while the "25-223" is a slightly shortened 223 case that allows heavier bullets to be used in an ar magazine - is that correct? The 22-45 seems readily available and the barrels are inexpensive which I like. Any details on 320pf and his barrels? Price? Who is he? Any other source for 25-223 barrels? |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2017 5:06:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: scatterbrains]
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320 is the goto for this cartridge, ive had mine for a long time and it has been fantastic. Shoots 70-100gr bullets all perfectly. Many different powders work load data is easy case forming is easy. Accuracy is fantastic and many many fuzzy critters have died from it both Large and small. Case life is great smooth shooting and easy to tune i can go from a 70gr BK to a 75vmax to an 85/100gr NBT. All loaded in same mag with no function difference.
320 is a good dude and I may very well be one of the few who has met him in person, very good dude and glad to have met him. You wont be dissapointed in the 25AR. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2017 6:50:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for the positive feedback. I try and do right by everybody that is interested in the 25-223AR whether they go with the cartridge or not. |
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Posted: 11/22/2017 12:08:12 PM EDT
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This is one of the threads I enjoy and read frequently even though I don't have a 25-223.
Thanks to all of the contributor's and have a happy Thanksgiving. |
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Posted: 11/22/2017 1:50:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dryflash3:
This is one of the threads I enjoy and read frequently even though I don't have a 25-223. Thanks to all of the contributor's and have a happy Thanksgiving. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 12/19/2017 4:47:01 PM EDT
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I should have some CFE BLK come in today. And I just loaded some 4198 last night behind some 80 barnes. Just have to find the time to test them out. Please post any result with the CFE BLK.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 8/5/2018 10:44:21 AM EDT
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Finally I have my upper together and HarperJt has donated fully prepped ready to load brass, I even swiped his sizer die just in case. I've got a pile of ancient Remington Power-Lokt 87 grain HP bullets to start with.
I couldn't walk away from a local closeout deal on Hornady 90 grain GMX bullets for $1.50 per 50. These things are pretty long at 1.135" so I'm not sure they will work without clipping the polymer tips off, what say you guys? I have Reloader 7, H322, H335, 1680, 4227 and N130 and have compiled a bit of load data from this thread but didn't see anything regarding N130. I'd welcome any advice on VV N130 in this caliber. |
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Posted: 8/6/2018 12:14:06 PM EDT
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Thread needs a bump.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2018 7:45:08 PM EDT
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It's been a week and a half so I'ma bump it back 'round.
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MD, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2018 5:02:02 PM EDT
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HI , another first post LOL . i have to have one ! tried to im 320pf, maybe didn't do it right? hopefully he'll see this post and get back to me.
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 9/11/2018 11:39:02 PM EDT
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Clicker,. I just pulled the tips with pliars and they'll work fine.
And since I'm lazy, anybody remember how blc2 worked out for 25ar? I seem to remember it being ok. Am I wrong ?? Thanks |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 11:46:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scatterbrains:
Clicker,. I just pulled the tips with pliars and they'll work fine. And since I'm lazy, anybody remember how blc2 worked out for 25ar? I seem to remember it being ok. Am I wrong ?? Thanks |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2018 7:22:38 AM EDT
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Thanks chew & scatter for the replies. Still wondering if N130 has been tried by anyone.
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NY, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2018 3:59:20 PM EDT
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For the 25-223Ar, you get better loading densities with the ball powders. With that said powders with a burn rate similar to powders like Accurate A-2200. Accurate A-1680 is a bit too fast for any bullet over 87-90 grains.
Here is a short list of powders that I have found that work well in the 25-223Ar: A-1680 lighter bullets </= 90 grains ball powder IMR 4227 lighter bullets </= 90 grains stick powder a bit bulky IMR/Hodgdon 4198 lighter bullets </= 90 grains stick powder a bit bulky Reloader 7 stick powder a bit bulky A-2200 >/= 90 grains ball powder (This is probably the go-to powder A-2230 >/= 90 grains ball powder burn rate a bit slow Hodgdon 322 stick powder a bit bulky BCL2 > >/=90 grains ball powder burn rate a bit slow Hodgdon 335 >/= 90 grains ball powder. burn rate a bit slow Hodgdon 4895 stick powder a bit bulky burn rate seems ok though Powders that should work but I have not tried them 1200-R From what I can determine it should be similar to A-2200 I hope this helps. 320pf |
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Posted: 10/27/2018 5:51:16 PM EDT
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So any more hunting stories?
How any new load data? |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/12/2018 10:52:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chewbacca:
So any more hunting stories? How any new load data? On the new data front: I did load & shoot two rounds with 22.0 grains of VV N130 under the old Remington 87 grain bullets I have. No chrono just a quick trip to the indoor range but the two rounds cut a single overlapping hole on paper at 25 yards. I know it doesn't sound very exciting but the scope is a 3X9 Trijicon with the triangle on post style reticle so its pretty encouraging. Everything I've loaded with 1680, H335 & RE7 functions and grouped nicely, given my optic, at 100 yards. The brass all looks basically the same with slight flattening of primers and very minor ejector marks. Still have not purchased a die set, Sharps 25-45 dies should work right? I'm thinking that is the easiest way to go at this point. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:25:23 PM EDT
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Anyone try the cfe black yet? Got to pick some up for my x40 so hoping to give it a try
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/14/2018 9:29:17 AM EDT
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I've just finished some trials using the CFE-BLK with the new 300 HAM'R and it gave us good velocities with lower pressure than the 1680. It might be worth a try in the 25-223 and the 7.62x40.
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Posted: 11/23/2018 8:50:53 AM EDT
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Killed a nice doe yesterday. Field-dressed 125 lb. Deer was slightly quarting to me. Shot was about 35 yards at a slight upward angle. Good performance from the Hornady.
Due to that shot angle, not a ton of blood on the ground, but there was enough to track easily. Went 45 yds. 100 gr Hornady SP 25.1 gr AA2200 CCI no 450 1.698" Brass trim length 2.301 COL" (ASC Mags)  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 8:40:53 AM EDT
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Hi Rocketrepairguy,
Nice work. Was the shot entrance right side to left side? 320pf |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 9:30:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
Hi Rocketrepairguy, Nice work. Was the shot entrance right side to left side? 320pf The deer was up slope / higher than me. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/27/2018 10:14:10 PM EDT
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FInally shot a deer with my 25-223.
Using 100gr Hornady spt. shot a spike at 20 yds from a tree climber, he ran 100 yds and piled up. downward angle through both ribs, split the heart in two. there was an inch hole going in and an inch hole going out. and a LOT of blood shot meat around the ribs on both sides. Something I've not encountered lately. I usually grind up the rib meat and the meat on the outside of the ribs. This was so blood shot all over both sides I had to discard it. pic of the heart 
left side of deer, entrance hole 
right side, exit hole 
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Posted: 11/28/2018 10:53:04 PM EDT
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Nice work!
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SD, USA
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Posted: 3/8/2019 10:14:59 PM EDT
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The gun shop I worked at had a couple old timers who'd been using Sierra 90gr GameKings from their Savage 99's and swore by them. I've gotten 3,000 fps from my 20" 25-223 but feel the pressure is getting up there. Any rate I wouldn't hesitate to use the Sierras.
Powders. I tried a number of powders and H4198 rose to the top with uncanny consistent velocities. I had hope my all time favorite Win 748 would perform as awesomely as it has in .223 Rem the past 40 years. But no, it was very erratic like 100+ fps between shots. It taught me one thing that what works in .223 Rem/5.56 does not translate over to .25 caliber and a chronograph is invaluable working up loads in a non-factory cartridge. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 3/10/2019 12:07:48 PM EDT
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Hi JButlerHickok,
It has been awhile, Good to hear from you. You are on the right track with the "best" burn rate powders for the 87-90 gr. bullets. Powders with similar burn rates as H4198 (H4198 and IMR4198 are the same powder except in a different package). You might also want to try Accurate (1680, LT-30, LT-32 and A2200) 1680 and A2200 are ball powders so you should get better load/powder densities (0.98 g/cc) with these. Lt-30 and LT-32 are extruded powders and have load/powder densities ~0.87 g/cc. These two Accurate powders are really popular with benchers shooters, very tight velocity deviations. I have also used Alliant Reloader-7 (an extruded powder, see load/powder densities discussion above) with good results. Alliant also has a new powder Power Pro 1200-R (ball powder) that I have not tried yet but should work very well. I would be great if you could work up some loads with these powders and post your results. Good Luck 329pf Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JButlerHickok:
The gun shop I worked at had a couple old timers who'd been using Sierra 90gr GameKings from their Savage 99's and swore by them. I've gotten 3,000 fps from my 20" 25-223 but feel the pressure is getting up there. Any rate I wouldn't hesitate to use the Sierras. Powders. I tried a number of powders and H4198 rose to the top with uncanny consistent velocities. I had hope my all time favorite Win 748 would perform as awesomely as it has in .223 Rem the past 40 years. But no, it was very erratic like 100+ fps between shots. It taught me one thing that what works in .223 Rem/5.56 does not translate over to .25 caliber and a chronograph is invaluable working up loads in a non-factory cartridge. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 3/16/2019 9:25:19 PM EDT
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Finally scored some 2200 local guy had 15# i bought 8#, thatll last me awhile. Soon the 25ar will be out in the fields again 
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USA
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Posted: 3/17/2019 6:13:36 PM EDT
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Can anyone provide info on where to obtain a barrel in 25-223? Thanks!
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2019 9:43:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smokeman:
Can anyone provide info on where to obtain a barrel in 25-223? Thanks! |
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USA
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Posted: 3/17/2019 9:53:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scatterbrains: PM @320pf |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2019 12:46:16 AM EDT
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He should pop into this thread. He's always coming back to see the new posts
@320pf |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 6/17/2019 9:08:00 PM EDT
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25ar still smoking ground grizzlies with 8k + rounds on it. Tripod standing at 111yds.
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SD, USA
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Posted: 8/3/2019 12:24:01 AM EDT
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Looking for feedback or comments from anyone who is using the 2nd version of the chamber. I've got a barrel with the original chamber which has been excellent in accuracy. The velocities have been quite acceptable to exceed expectations. I understand the 2nd version reamer extends the throat a bit to allow for more velocity. I'm interested in reaming with the Ver.2 but would hate to upset accuracy. So....hows the 2nd ver chamber working??
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Posted: 8/3/2019 3:14:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JButlerHickok:
Looking for feedback or comments from anyone who is using the 2nd version of the chamber. I've got a barrel with the original chamber which has been excellent in accuracy. The velocities have been quite acceptable to exceed expectations. I understand the 2nd version reamer extends the throat a bit to allow for more velocity. I'm interested in reaming with the Ver.2 but would hate to upset accuracy. So....hows the 2nd ver chamber working?? |
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SD, USA
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Posted: 8/22/2019 12:28:11 AM EDT
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Thanks for the info. Think I'll try it.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2019 12:20:04 AM EDT
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Chewbacca and company. A long time thread lurker here. I spend hours back and forth between this thread and a 25-45 sharps thread over on predatormasters. I took the plunge into the Sharps side of this similiar experience purely from a financial standpoint. BHW had a clearance sale on beautiful 18" barrels for $90 that I couldn't pass on.
The main thing I've been following is the reloading/load development of our fellow shooters (both 25-223 and 25-45 Sharps). Which leads me to my question for Chewbacca.....you mentioned a long time ago, that you were going to take a swipe at loading the 115g Bergers (VLD Hunting I assume). Did you ever have any success and/or get any numbers from your loads (fps, accuracy, etc.)? I've dabbled in the 115gr Berger VLD Hunting with some success. In the load workup process back/forth between various charges of H335 and A2200. I'm not getting the accuracy I should, but 2550-2600 fps has been possible using a windowed ASC magazine and 2.36 COAL loads. Thanks in advance if you have any good results to share. Your long-time lurker. b1dude |
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Posted: 9/12/2019 12:33:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exb1dude:
Chewbacca and company. A long time thread lurker here. I spend hours back and forth between this thread and a 25-45 sharps thread over on predatormasters. I took the plunge into the Sharps side of this similiar experience purely from a financial standpoint. BHW had a clearance sale on beautiful 18" barrels for $90 that I couldn't pass on. The main thing I've been following is the reloading/load development of our fellow shooters (both 25-223 and 25-45 Sharps). Which leads me to my question for Chewbacca.....you mentioned a long time ago, that you were going to take a swipe at loading the 115g Bergers (VLD Hunting I assume). Did you ever have any success and/or get any numbers from your loads (fps, accuracy, etc.)? I've dabbled in the 115gr Berger VLD Hunting with some success. In the load workup process back/forth between various charges of H335 and A2200. I'm not getting the accuracy I should, but 2550-2600 fps has been possible using a windowed ASC magazine and 2.36 COAL loads. Thanks in advance if you have any good results to share. Your long-time lurker. b1dude |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2019 12:20:53 PM EDT
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Cool, thanks for responding.
I'm woefully suspicious of twist rate being a driving factor in my case as well (1:10). Can ask a question? I'm hoping the relatively high altitude I hunt/shoot at will cut me a break. I remember reading a really nerdy white paper years ago where long range competition shooters would have their handloads go unstable (only as noticed by accuracy, not oblong holes). The take-away from the paper was that lower density altitudes (high density air) would tend to make a bullet go unstable sooner than higher density altitudes (lower density air). 99.9% of my shooting occurs from 4000' to 8000' density altitude. Out of curiosity, do you mind sharing what altitude you were at when trying to squeeze out the accuracy from the VLDs? What's got me so wrapped up chasing performance in these VLDs was running the numbers on drop/energy through the JBM ballistics website. Comparing my 18" barreled Sharps, lobbing the 115gr VLD at 2600fps, to a classic 120gr, 18" barreled Grendel load. The 25 cal VLD stayed supersonic longer, and carried more energy throughout usable ranges. 1000 ft-lbs at 300-350 yards. Supersonic to 1100+ yards; MSR hunting "Nervana"? Not worth a hoot at 2-3 MOA however; in my humble opinion Again thanks for getting back. |
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Posted: 9/14/2019 1:27:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exb1dude:
Cool, thanks for responding. I'm woefully suspicious of twist rate being a driving factor in my case as well (1:10). Can ask a question? I'm hoping the relatively high altitude I hunt/shoot at will cut me a break. I remember reading a really nerdy white paper years ago where long range competition shooters would have their handloads go unstable (only as noticed by accuracy, not oblong holes). The take-away from the paper was that lower density altitudes (high density air) would tend to make a bullet go unstable sooner than higher density altitudes (lower density air). 99.9% of my shooting occurs from 4000' to 8000' density altitude. Out of curiosity, do you mind sharing what altitude you were at when trying to squeeze out the accuracy from the VLDs? What's got me so wrapped up chasing performance in these VLDs was running the numbers on drop/energy through the JBM ballistics website. Comparing my 18" barreled Sharps, lobbing the 115gr VLD at 2600fps, to a classic 120gr, 18" barreled Grendel load. The 25 cal VLD stayed supersonic longer, and carried more energy throughout usable ranges. 1000 ft-lbs at 300-350 yards. Supersonic to 1100+ yards; MSR hunting "Nervana"? Not worth a hoot at 2-3 MOA however; in my humble opinion Again thanks for getting back. I doubt the difference in altitude will change it. It was like a shot gun pattern. Chasing the same dragon as you, I went to a 25x6.8 wildcat. Haven’t built it yet (have all parts but busy) but the ballistics are better. I chose a 1/9 polygonal rifled barrel to get the 110eldx and 115 Berger’s to stabilize. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/16/2019 10:10:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: nootay]
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Anyone have load data with the 110 grain hornady ftx bullet? Not real sure where to start on this bullet
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Posted: 9/18/2019 7:02:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nootay:
Anyone have load data with the 110 grain hornady ftx bullet? Not real sure where to start on this bullet FPS FT-LBS PF 2338 1335.36 257.18 2357 1357.15 259.27 2349 1347.95 258.39 AA 2230 maxed out at 24 gr. / CCI 450 primer / 2.29" COL / compressed load / no evidence of over-pressure FPS FT-LB PF 2369 1371 260.59 2380 1383.76 261.8 2379 1382.6 261.69 The AA 2230 load was more accurate as well. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/26/2019 5:48:24 PM EDT
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Great morning with the 25! 125 yds. 30 yard recovery.
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Posted: 10/26/2019 6:40:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCPossum1:
Great morning with the 25! 125 yds. 30 yard recovery. https://i.imgur.com/RCNpn34.jpg |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/27/2019 8:43:16 AM EDT
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That looks like a great morning, no matter what you're shooting. Congratulations!
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/27/2019 9:25:51 AM EDT
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I will have to check on the measure of powder, but it is 2200 and the 100gr Hornady SP. Probably one of the best performing combinations I have ever shot at deer. Too bad they discontinued the bullet.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:57:56 PM EDT
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Congrats, that's a really nice buck for us fellas in the best Carolina.
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