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Posted: 4/21/2017 7:44:28 PM EDT
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I have the gen1 that has been through 2 Battleroad USA Zombie Biathlon. it has survived a bunch of drops and falls. still working out great.
My wife has no issue hitting steel at up to 400yards with this scope (longest range we have). Little explaining needed, all she is told is use the 4 hash mark. only scope I would trade it for, would be the PA 1-8sfp. |
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Posted: 4/21/2017 8:04:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2017 5:51:55 AM EDT
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Your getting a lot of bang for your buck for the cost and what this scope has to offer. Once everything was explained regarding this optic its right on point price wise. You can always spend more if you choose but if your budget don't fit. This may just work for you. Spend once cry once is my moto. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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whats the battery life? what country makes the glass? China However, I think shooting past 200 yards with Chinese glass would be less than optimal. And at 500 yards it would be terrible. But, for the cost I guess its not too bad of an option. |
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Posted: 4/22/2017 6:08:05 AM EDT
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Not picking a fight or anything, but I do want to point out that Chinese glass and manufacturing competency has increased exponentially just in the past five years. There was a time when I would have agreed with you, that anything past 200-300 yards with a sub-$300 optic would be difficult to pull off. You could pull it off if conditions were right, but could you do it every time, consistently? Fast forward to 2017 and a lot has changed. For example, here's one of my favorite videos of our products, this is the guys from Insane Accuracy running an M1a with one of our 4-14x44 FFP 308 scopes mounted. They start at a thousand yards and work their way down to 250 yards without ever touching a turret or counting clicks, just using the BDC and holdovers. That's a scope we have in stock right now for $279.99 and it'll survive indefinitely on that .308.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFfXhgZ8ErM
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Battery life shouldn't be an issue then. However, I think shooting past 200 yards with Chinese glass would be less than optimal. And at 500 yards it would be terrible. But, for the cost I guess its not too bad of an option. Fast forward to 2017 and a lot has changed. For example, here's one of my favorite videos of our products, this is the guys from Insane Accuracy running an M1a with one of our 4-14x44 FFP 308 scopes mounted. They start at a thousand yards and work their way down to 250 yards without ever touching a turret or counting clicks, just using the BDC and holdovers. That's a scope we have in stock right now for $279.99 and it'll survive indefinitely on that .308. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFfXhgZ8ErM
Obviously I'm not even remotely trying to be unbiased here. I mostly just enjoy sharing this old video when I get the chance. :) That is at a range where the targets are super easy to see. Very bright colors and open range with no camo background. Try that on a tree line with a guy standing in camo in front of the tree line. Then add mirage to the picture. Chinese glass will not show that target especially and distance. So, for the price its good and will do great at the range. But, in the woods or any real world applications especially when there is mirage this scope wouldn't be very good. Since my weapons are not just for range work I'm going to go with better glass like Japanese or German. |
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Posted: 4/22/2017 11:17:51 AM EDT
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Very happy with my PA Gen 2, looking forward to this new model once I finish up a couple other products.
I've always been impressed with the value on these scopes, but then I'm not pointing guns at people in treelines wearing camo. |
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Posted: 4/22/2017 2:58:31 PM EDT
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Very happy with my PA Gen 2, looking forward to this new model once I finish up a couple other products. I've always been impressed with the value on these scopes, but then I'm not pointing guns at people in treelines wearing camo. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 8:27:55 AM EDT
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That is at a range where the targets are super easy to see. Very bright colors and open range with no camo background. Try that on a tree line with a guy standing in camo in front of the tree line. Then add mirage to the picture. Chinese glass will not show that target especially and distance. So, for the price its good and will do great at the range. But, in the woods or any real world applications especially when there is mirage this scope wouldn't be very good. Since my weapons are not just for range work I'm going to go with better glass like Japanese or German. 
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Posted: 4/26/2017 8:09:06 AM EDT
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Battery life shouldn't be an issue then. However, I think shooting past 200 yards with Chinese glass would be less than optimal. And at 500 yards it would be terrible. But, for the cost I guess its not too bad of an option. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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whats the battery life? what country makes the glass? China However, I think shooting past 200 yards with Chinese glass would be less than optimal. And at 500 yards it would be terrible. But, for the cost I guess its not too bad of an option. I also have to say I really like reticle, I can take people out there that have never really shot a anything before and have them hitting a 400yd torso target in just a few rounds! |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 1:46:13 PM EDT
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This may exist, but I would really like to see some kind of torture test on this optic. Debating this for when my SBR/can stamps comes in for a mini recce deal.
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Posted: 4/28/2017 11:05:10 AM EDT
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This may exist, but I would really like to see some kind of torture test on this optic. Debating this for when my SBR/can stamps comes in for a mini recce deal. MrGunsNGear has a couple of shooting reviews out, but I wouldn't call them "torture tests". Out of curiosity, what do you guys like to see in a "torture test"? What are the data points that make you say "Ok, that's the one for me, I've made my decision!" |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 11:51:02 AM EDT
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Robski and AKOU has been using it for awhile on his occasional AR projects and on a lot of 5.45 guns. He's pretty rough on his stuff. MrGunsNGear has a couple of shooting reviews out, but I wouldn't call them "torture tests". Out of curiosity, what do you guys like to see in a "torture test"? What are the data points that make you say "Ok, that's the one for me, I've made my decision!" Heavy, yeah. I guess I could argue the clarity vis a vis the higher end Japanese/German scopes. I am not dialing a 1-4 or a 1-6 so I don't care. If the light is so bad that it makes a difference maybe I shouldn't be taking that shot. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 1:36:32 AM EDT
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Any updates on the FDE version?
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Posted: 5/10/2017 8:56:54 AM EDT
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Any updates on the FDE version? |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 5:13:58 PM EDT
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No ETA as of now. The color was not consistent. We are waiting for another set of samples. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 5:14:11 PM EDT
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No ETA as of now. The color was not consistent. We are waiting for another set of samples. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any updates on the FDE version? 
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Posted: 5/13/2017 7:32:12 AM EDT
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I would also be interested in a blem for a camo project!
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Posted: 5/30/2017 3:19:35 PM EDT
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How well are these new scopes penetrating the market now? With all this glass out its tough to make a decision.
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Posted: 6/3/2017 12:27:56 PM EDT
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I've been holding out on the grey colored version you had at SHOT. Is that still going to be an option?
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Posted: 6/5/2017 9:43:12 AM EDT
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I haven't heard anything about it for awhile but the last info I have is that the Wolf Grey will still be coming out later this year.
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Posted: 7/25/2017 1:52:37 PM EDT
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Has anyone done any hunting with this optic yet? I wonder how it would work out for deer, hogs and predators.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 11:29:28 PM EDT
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No ETA as of now. The color was not consistent. We are waiting for another set of samples. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any updates on the FDE version? |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 11:56:25 PM EDT
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How would you compare the glass to something like a Vortex Viper PST?
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Posted: 10/13/2017 8:30:43 AM EDT
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How’s the FDE color coming? |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 8:32:59 AM EDT
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How would you compare the glass to something like a Vortex Viper PST? |
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Posted: 11/10/2017 9:39:47 PM EDT
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My Gen 3 was delivered Wednesday. I haven't been able to shoot it yet but initially I'm very impressed. I wasn't expecting it to be this clean. Virtually no fish-eye at 1x (I'm looking at you strike eagle). Eye box feels a little small and 1x is more like 1.1x inside 25yds. I'm really looking forward to getting this out on the range.
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Posted: 11/18/2017 11:53:17 PM EDT
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60 day rule
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