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Posted: 1/19/2011 8:39:42 PM EDT
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Great thread... How does the Portugese charging handle latch work? I read somewhere that AI improved the way it latches closed. The ‘original’ style is similar to the one pictured here: charging handle Excellent question. The "improvement" was the development of a 2-piece charging handle... 
The two pieces are not mechanically joined. The front piece just slips inside the back piece. Extended, they combine to make a long handle... 
But when the handle is pulled back, the two pieces overlap so the whole thing collapses or compresses... 
Top and bottom views... 
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Posted: 1/20/2011 2:15:49 AM EDT
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I see a road trip to the Netherlands in my future.
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Posted: 1/20/2011 3:14:04 PM EDT
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Well that’s interesting…
I guess one advantage is that the handle won’t extend back over the stock when you charge it. Thanks for the pictures! |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:52:08 PM EDT
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What an awesome thread! Thanks for sharing OIGunner and everyone else.
How did I miss this before now? 
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Posted: 1/20/2011 11:10:21 PM EDT
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Great thread... How does the Portugese charging handle latch work? I read somewhere that AI improved the way it latches closed. The ‘original’ style is similar to the one pictured here: charging handle Excellent question. The "improvement" was the development of a 2-piece charging handle... http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/OlGunner/CH-side.jpg The two pieces are not mechanically joined. The front piece just slips inside the back piece. Extended, they combine to make a long handle... http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/OlGunner/CH-ext.jpg But when the handle is pulled back, the two pieces overlap so the whole thing collapses or compresses... http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/OlGunner/CH-comp.jpg Top and bottom views... http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/OlGunner/CH-top.jpg http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/OlGunner/CH-bott.jpg Looks like they were trying to "re-invent the wheel". I mean unless they were trying to make it so the charging part didn't wear out the slot in the upper, why not just make the front part fit the slot and leave out the rear part? Or is there some other function or fitment issue I am missing? |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 11:45:46 PM EDT
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Great thread... How does the Portugese charging handle latch work? I read somewhere that AI improved the way it latches closed. The ‘original’ style is similar to the one pictured here: charging handle Excellent question. The "improvement" was the development of a 2-piece charging handle... http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/OlGunner/CH-side.jpg The two pieces are not mechanically joined. The front piece just slips inside the back piece. Extended, they combine to make a long handle... http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/OlGunner/CH-ext.jpg But when the handle is pulled back, the two pieces overlap so the whole thing collapses or compresses... http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/OlGunner/CH-comp.jpg Top and bottom views... http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/OlGunner/CH-top.jpg http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/OlGunner/CH-bott.jpg Looks like they were trying to "re-invent the wheel". I mean unless they were trying to make it so the charging part didn't wear out the slot in the upper, why not just make the front part fit the slot and leave out the rear part? Or is there some other function or fitment issue I am missing? I THINK it is two piece so that it is all contained in the upper receiver. |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 12:04:49 AM EDT
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Same stock as the full size. Although I have seen some one in the States made one himself.
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Hi there. Thanks for the welcome and its a honor to be here. The carbine was made for drivers and the dutch marine corp (korps mariniers) and around 40 were made. It is basicly a shortend version of the full size and there are two versions made. The first is like the transitional model with the smaller bold and sudan charginghandle and frontsight. The second one is like the portugese model and that's the one I have. Don't know how to put pic's yet but I will try to make some nice pic's and e-mail them to you. If Stef sends me additional pics, I may start a separate thread just to show them. If those numbers are correct, that's one of the rarest uppers in the whole AR kingdom. (...What I wouldn't give to have that lower, too!) Stef, did the carbine use the standard solid buttstock, or was there some kind of adjustable stock? http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/OlGunner/CAR10.jpg |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 12:18:10 AM EDT
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This way it could be used as a forward assist
Keep in mind that at that time this was the only rifle that could be loaded and charged by using the left hand only and the rifle still be sholdered and the right hand on the trigger. You could stay on target when a new mag needed to be insurted and or use the charginghandle for loading a round with your left hand. With the sudan or the AR15 triggercharginghandles you would poke yourself in the eye while keeping it sholdered because of the extention going over the stock. Quoted:
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Great thread... How does the Portugese charging handle latch work? I read somewhere that AI improved the way it latches closed. The ‘original’ style is similar to the one pictured here: charging handle Excellent question. The "improvement" was the development of a 2-piece charging handle... http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/OlGunner/CH-side.jpg The two pieces are not mechanically joined. The front piece just slips inside the back piece. Extended, they combine to make a long handle... http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/OlGunner/CH-ext.jpg But when the handle is pulled back, the two pieces overlap so the whole thing collapses or compresses... http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/OlGunner/CH-comp.jpg Top and bottom views... http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/OlGunner/CH-top.jpg http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/OlGunner/CH-bott.jpg Looks like they were trying to "re-invent the wheel". I mean unless they were trying to make it so the charging part didn't wear out the slot in the upper, why not just make the front part fit the slot and leave out the rear part? Or is there some other function or fitment issue I am missing? I THINK it is two piece so that it is all contained in the upper receiver. |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 12:49:40 AM EDT
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I see a road trip to the Netherlands in my future. Give me a call or e-mail when you'r here and we take it to the shootingrange and shoot the heck out of the carbine or fullsize. |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 12:52:15 AM EDT
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This way it could be used as a forward assist Keep in mind that at that time this was the only rifle that could be loaded and charged by using the left hand only and the rifle still be sholdered and the right hand on the trigger. You could stay on target when a new mag needed to be insurted and or use the charginghandle for loading a round with your left hand. With the sudan or the AR15 triggercharginghandles you would poke yourself in the eye while keeping it sholdered because of the extention going over the stock. But why not just chop the original handle off shorter? Or was maybe this some sort of retrofit that needed the rear piece to close the hole in the back of the upper from the original charging handle configuration? |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 1:45:26 AM EDT
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This way it could be used as a forward assist Keep in mind that at that time this was the only rifle that could be loaded and charged by using the left hand only and the rifle still be sholdered and the right hand on the trigger. You could stay on target when a new mag needed to be insurted and or use the charginghandle for loading a round with your left hand. With the sudan or the AR15 triggercharginghandles you would poke yourself in the eye while keeping it sholdered because of the extention going over the stock. But why not just chop the original handle off shorter? Or was maybe this some sort of retrofit that needed the rear piece to close the hole in the back of the upper from the original charging handle configuration? The sudan version could not work as a forward assist because it would move only to the back. The portugese handle must be pushed down first to move it to the back and when pushed down it connects with the boldcarrier in a slot that will function as the forward assist and the key connection will push the carrier back to load the rifle like all AR's. Also you would need al the space under the carryhandle to load the rifle so by cutting the sudan handle there would be an open space behind the charginghandle so dirt can enter the rifle. Charging the rifle while sholdered was a requirment for the Dutch trials in the late 50's for the new army rifle. There were several requirments in that trial and the AR10 was the only one that had them all but politics made them buying the Belgium FAL and the factory died not long after that and became EUROMETAAL |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 1:49:50 AM EDT
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This way it could be used as a forward assist Keep in mind that at that time this was the only rifle that could be loaded and charged by using the left hand only and the rifle still be sholdered and the right hand on the trigger. You could stay on target when a new mag needed to be insurted and or use the charginghandle for loading a round with your left hand. With the sudan or the AR15 triggercharginghandles you would poke yourself in the eye while keeping it sholdered because of the extention going over the stock. But why not just chop the original handle off shorter? Or was maybe this some sort of retrofit that needed the rear piece to close the hole in the back of the upper from the original charging handle configuration? Sorry I forgot this. The hole at the back of the upper is closed by the lower on the portugese model. |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 1:50:35 AM EDT
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Damn that's pretty
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Posted: 1/21/2011 3:26:08 AM EDT
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But why not just chop the original handle off shorter? Or was maybe this some sort of retrofit that needed the rear piece to close the hole in the back of the upper from the original charging handle configuration? The two variant uppers are different I don't think one could be modded into the other, the charging lever is also a dust cover for the slot it travels in the problem being addressed is exposure of the interior to foreign matter. On the Sudanese unit the upper and charger have almost an interlock when closed, the Porto version which also is a dust cover does not extend out the back of the receiver and is kept inside the upper by the hump block on the back of the lower and can be locked closed with the bolt locked back and the ejection port over closed. If you mated a Porto upper to a Sudanese lower and opened and locked back the bolt half the charging handle would slide out the back of the upper unless you locked it forward. HTH AI AR10-Dan in Ga PS ar10stef - I make the repro Proto furniture. |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 4:16:32 AM EDT
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But why not just chop the original handle off shorter? Or was maybe this some sort of retrofit that needed the rear piece to close the hole in the back of the upper from the original charging handle configuration? The two variant uppers are different I don't think one could be modded into the other, the charging lever is also a dust cover for the slot it travels in the problem being addressed is exposure of the interior to foreign matter. On the Sudanese unit the upper and charger have almost an interlock when closed, the Porto version which also is a dust cover does not extend out the back of the receiver and is kept inside the upper by the hump block on the back of the lower and can be locked closed with the bolt locked back and the ejection port over closed. If you mated a Porto upper to a Sudanese lower and opened and locked back the bolt half the charging handle would slide out the back of the upper unless you locked it forward. HTH AI AR10-Dan in Ga PS ar10stef - I make the repro Proto furniture. Was it you who made the carbine stock on an AR10? It looked awsome and I realy want one for my carbine. It would not be correct but sure would be pretty nice Being not correct is not such an issue because an original stock is not to be found anyway. Same with small parts. I think with all the partskits sold in the U.S.A there are more parts in the U.S.A than I can find in Holland. |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 5:55:55 AM EDT
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This one?
My Kingdom for a bolt stop. |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 6:13:46 AM EDT
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That would go very nicely with my spare lower to finish the complete carbine. If I could ever find a lpk for it. Looks very nice |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 7:57:32 AM EDT
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Is that for an AR10? |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 8:01:59 AM EDT
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Lots of good info in this thread! I've wondered about the two-piece and the solid charging handles for a while now.
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