Just wondering if the Mak-90 is specifically listed as banned in NJ

I think it is, for some reason...

Also, on the general AWB (national), it says Bushmaster (and Armalite) AR-15 rifles are banned.  Fine, they make XM15-E2S, a virtual clone... but the ban also says that 'or similar/clones'.  what gives?  How is my (and everyone elses Post ban AR15 legal? (Nationally, not just NJ)

Just curious.  did they change something internal/cosmetic?  It's still a remake/clone, but no one cares?  =)

Nationally, there are no banned-by-name firearms; they are banned-by-feature. They can't have any more than 2 of a pile of criteria.

NJ and a couple other states specifically ban things *by name*...if it says Colt on it, it's banned. If it says AR15 on it, it's banned.

Bushmasters are NOT banned by name, specifically, so they're still legal to sell in NJ as I recall. And since a Bushmaster is NOT a Colt, it's not "similar to", as a Colt HBar Match Sporter would be similar to a Colt Sporter II...as far as I know. I could be completly wrong I'm sure someone else will explain it better later.

I believe MAK-90's are specifically banned by name, again.

However...the SAR1/SAR2/SAR3 rifles aren't banned in NJ. Weird, eh? 30 round mags are, but you can block them off to 15 rounds and be ok.

Oh okay, so it's a super technicality that a Bushmaster 20'' HBAR is not a clone or 'techincally similiar' to a Colt HBar Match Sporter.  Cute.

Okay, I am familiar with the feature deal (actually looking for a flash suppressor for my 10/22 since it is in a stock with no pistol grip... might as well have the max of 2).  =)

Okay, I will ask him for pics and lettering/writing on it before I pay for anything/'import'

Any more input?

Quoted: Just wondering if the Mak-90 is specifically listed as banned in NJ I think it is, for some reason...

www.njguns.com/define.htm

Unless the list has recently changedm the MAK-90 ain't on the list. Just to be safe, if you hit the NJSP web site, they have a page on firearms issues, and I think they have a phone/email contact list. Ring them up and find out for sure.

Also, on the general AWB (national), it says Bushmaster (and Armalite) AR-15 rifles are banned.  Fine, they make XM15-E2S, a virtual clone... but the ban also says that 'or similar/clones'.  what gives?  How is my (and everyone elses Post ban AR15 legal? (Nationally, not just NJ) Just curious.  did they change something internal/cosmetic?  It's still a remake/clone, but no one cares?  =)

Wrong. The Bushmaster AR-15 and Armalite AR-15 are NOT banned by name. The Armalite AR-180 type and the Bushmaster Assault Rifle (MUCH different animal than the AR-15) are done by name.

The only specific AR-15 listed is the Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 series. The NJ high and mighty ruled that firearms such as the bushmaster XM-15 and the Armalite AR-15 are NOT considered substantially identical to the Colt AR-15. The difference being I believe they consider the Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 being named as preban config rifles, and thus postban config rifles aren't considered substantially identical.

Very good to hear (Bushmaster assault vs post bans today)... was just curious...  still watching

www.awbansunset.com very closely...
=D


checked list again, posted here (NJguns)

(1)  The following firearms:      Algimec AGM1 type      Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder such as the "Street Sweeper" or "Striker 12"      Armalite AR-180 type      Australian Automatic Arms SAR      Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms      Beretta AR-70 and BM59 semi-automatic firearms      Bushmaster Assault Rifle      Calico M-900 Assault carbine and M-900      CETME G3      Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88 type      Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 series      Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1 and Max 2, AR 100 types      Demro TAC-1 carbine type      Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbine types      FAMAS MAS223 types      FN-FAL, FN-LAR, or FN-FNC type semi-automatic firearms      Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 shotguns      G3SA type      Galil type      Heckler and Koch HK91, HK93, HK94, MP5, PSG-1      Intratec TEC 9 and 22 semi-automatic firearms      M1 carbine type      M14S type      MAC 10, MAC 11, MAC 11-9mm carbine type firearms      PJK M-68 carbine type      Plainfield Machine Company Carbine      Ruger K-Mini-14/5F and Mini-14/5RF      SIG AMT, SIG 550SP, SIG 551SP, SIG PE-57 types      SKS with detachable magazine type      Spectre Auto carbine type      Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48 type      Sterling MK-6, MK-7 and SAR types      Steyr A.U.G. semi-automatic firearms      USAS 12 semi-automatic type shotgun      Uzi type semi-automatic firearms      Valmet M62, M71S, M76, or M78 type semi-automatic firearms      Weaver Arm Nighthawk.

the

Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms

interests me though... Aren't SAR-1 (and 3) and any real AK type rifle (not an RPK receiver, or AKM(odern)) illegal in NJ then?  =
or is it again that with a certain number of US or non-origin parts, they are not considered avtomat Kalashnikov rifles anymore?

Quoted: Nationally, there are no banned-by-name firearms;

You are mistaken.

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 Sec. 921. - Definitions (a) (30) The term ''semiautomatic assault weapon'' means - (A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as - (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models); (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70); (iv) Colt AR-15; (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC; (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12; (vii) Steyr AUG; (viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and (ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;

yowza...

I know how the AR-15, err, my Bushmaster XM15-E2S passes, but what about AK-47s (true, like a SAR-1)??

I can see how an AK74 and AK(M) can pass...  but it is all models/varients... unless again the AK is okay because it may only have 2 features, that is, the pistol grip and magazine...

that would make sense..

*SIGH*

The never ending saga of NJ gun laws...

Evil_Ed, I mean no disrespect at all towards you.  Just need to make sure things are straightened out.

Quoted: if it says Colt on it, it's banned.

That is incorrect.  I've owned two Colt Match Target rifles.  They are for sale in most gun stores in the state.

If it says AR15 on it, it's banned.

This IS correct.

I believe MAK-90's are specifically banned by name, again.

As pointed out above, this is incorrect.  MAK 90s are around.  SARs are more popular, though.

I wonder how the law would be interpreted in the case of a factory (WW II issue) M3 Carbine?  These where the M1 Carbine variation with the I/R sniper scope on them.  IIRC, they where marked "M3" as opposed to M1.  

No, I do not have one, I just want to stir the pot a bit.
It strikes me as funny that the Norinco M14/S is on the banned list but the Springfield M1A is not...and if you where to send a Norinco to Smith Specialities, it'd come back marked M21 or something like that and then be perfectly legal (in a post ban configuration of course)

God, I hate this place.

ka

true COlt Hbar and match target is legal
best thing to do is call the NJSP and get the firearms division
there are a few revisions the guy told me but I forgot what they were
i only remember the 2 colts

The Mak 90 is legal.  Due to a criminal court case in Monmouth county.  The Judge in the case ruled the MAK90 was not an assault weapon.  This was about  1997.  I bought one from Sarco's in 1998.  I sold it when I purchased a bulgarian.  OK gun. Not accurate.  
You guys/Gals on this sight living in NAZI JERZI should purchase Evan Nappens orange book on NJ gun laws.

Quoted: You are mistaken. TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 Sec. 921. - Definitions

Federal law specifically states the mentioned firearms? I never read it fully (I always get to a specific part, get disgusted, and walk away from it)...I stand corrected if those previously quoted names are in the federal AWB list.

Quoted: *SIGH* The never ending saga of NJ gun laws... Evil_Ed, I mean no disrespect at all towards you.  Just need to make sure things are straightened out.

Fair enough If I'm wrong, I fully expect to be corrected

That is incorrect.  I've owned two Colt Match Target rifles.  They are for sale in most gun stores in the state.

Ahh...so they just banned 2 letters and 2 numbers stamped into a piece of alumnium. Ok I thought they banned 4 more letters as well. In a certain order, of course. (Wonder if Colt would ever make a run of Clot RA-51's...)

This IS correct.

Knew I was right about *something*

As pointed out above, this is incorrect.  MAK 90s are around.  SARs are more popular, though.

I never pretended to be a lawyer

Well, that makes things easier for me..So I can legally traipse around NJ with my SAR-2, provided I block the mags. Could be worse, I guess...most of the cops I talk to in NJ think the ban is probably the dumbest thing they've ever heard of, but *shrug* not much they can do about it, and most don't care either way.

Thanks for the corrections!