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Posted: 2/9/2021 9:49:13 AM EDT
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[#1]
Good.
I hope they mandate 4 masks to be work simultaneously at all times. One of them needs to be solid plastic, for efficacy. I HOPE they hit hard, hit fast, and go full bat shit crazy with this stuff. It is the ONLY way to wake people up to stop voting for incumbents and/or marxists. |
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[#2]
Well. Theres that. I dont thi k that voting matters anymore unfortunately.
I dont think there will be anyone put forward by the system that wont tow the line from here on out. |
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Quoted: This is a remarkably short-sighted and foolish attitude. View Quote I guess then I'll ask why you think voting matters at this point? There is zero chance that the bad guys wont cheat again just as badly as they did getting Joe Biden elected. I just dont see a fair election as something that happens any time soon. |
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Quoted: I guess then I'll ask why you think voting matters at this point? There is zero chance that the bad guys wont cheat again just as badly as they did getting Joe Biden elected. I just dont see a fair election as something that happens any time soon. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This is a remarkably short-sighted and foolish attitude. I guess then I'll ask why you think voting matters at this point? There is zero chance that the bad guys wont cheat again just as badly as they did getting Joe Biden elected. I just dont see a fair election as something that happens any time soon. What's your solution beyond taking your ball and going home? If all you're doing to fend off the "bad guys" is casting your vote every couple years and complaining about politicians the rest of the time, then, yes, your political desires are going to live in the dustbin of irrelevance, and that has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the electoral process. If you think this is all going to be resolved by some sort of violent (physical or otherwise) revolution and that you're going to be on the "winning" side of that, you might want to consider the ramifications of ignoring the established process in the preceding times. |
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Quoted: What's your solution beyond taking your ball and going home? If all you're doing to fend off the "bad guys" is casting your vote every couple years and complaining about politicians the rest of the time, then, yes, your political desires are going to live in the dustbin of irrelevance, and that has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the electoral process. If you think this is all going to be resolved by some sort of violent (physical or otherwise) revolution and that you're going to be on the "winning" side of that, you might want to consider the ramifications of ignoring the established process in the preceding times. View Quote I never mentioned violence at all. Last thing I want is violence. It just feels to me like as blatant as the cheating was in 2020 nothing will be done about it. It shows that they dont care what we think regardless of how we vote. |
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Quoted: I never mentioned violence at all. Last thing I want is violence. It just feels to me like as blatant as the cheating was in 2020 nothing will be done about it. It shows that they dont care what we think regardless of how we vote. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What's your solution beyond taking your ball and going home? If all you're doing to fend off the "bad guys" is casting your vote every couple years and complaining about politicians the rest of the time, then, yes, your political desires are going to live in the dustbin of irrelevance, and that has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the electoral process. If you think this is all going to be resolved by some sort of violent (physical or otherwise) revolution and that you're going to be on the "winning" side of that, you might want to consider the ramifications of ignoring the established process in the preceding times. I never mentioned violence at all. Last thing I want is violence. It just feels to me like as blatant as the cheating was in 2020 nothing will be done about it. It shows that they dont care what we think regardless of how we vote. I never said you mentioned violence, and I added a parenthetical statement to qualify "violent" for a reason. |
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[#9]
Puck is right.
If we are going to whine and bitch and then NOT VOTE, what, exactly, do you expect to happen? The fraud occurs at the county level. Get involved!!! Become a ballot counter or election judge or something, KNOW YOUR RIGHTS, and if enough of us from enough counties do this, we can snuff out MASSIVE amounts of election fraud right there. There are plenty of grass roots orginizations popping up (a few of them here on ARFCOM) to accomplish just this. Or we can just whine about it in our echo chamber and give the field to the enemy. To me, that sounds like a non-starter of a shitty choice. |
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[#10]
Man, you guys are really reading a lot into a pretty simple comment. Thinking that voting might not matter, and not voting are two completely different things.
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Quoted: Man, you guys are really reading a lot into a pretty simple comment. Thinking that voting might not matter, and not voting are two completely different things. View Quote They may be different (I don't know that I'd say they are, but I can see the argument), but they're certainly closely related. While the belief that voting doesn't matter may not coincide with or necessitate the decision to not vote (I think, for a lot of people, it does, but they don't want to say they aren't voting), the belief that something is devoid of value is absolutely a significant step and contributor to the decision to abandon that particular concept or institution. This is visible and well-researched in politics, religion, social culture... Additionally, devoid of context of action, a negative statement about the utility of voting by one person, irrespective of whether or not he himself is still voting, serves to reinforce that devaluation among others, which further degrades the institution. This is clearly already a commonly-held thought or opinion among many people of the political bent that makes up the bulk of this forum, and it's not being expressed in a manner intended to persuade people who feel otherwise, so the sentiment would seem to only hold the purpose of bulwarking the idea among those who already believe. The idea of "voting doesn't matter" as a simple comment is itself debatable; I understand it's a straightforward sentence, but the idea that believing the mechanism which has underpinned democratic involvement in our political system doesn't matter is hardly a trivial matter. |
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It's pretty hard to believe otherwise at this point. I've voted every even numbered year since I turned 18, but it's been a while (since Al Franken got elected in 2008, to be precise) since I've thought that most voting for major elections actually mattered. It's pretty clear that the other side is willing to do things that we just aren't wiling to do to ensure that they win the elections they need to win. Yet I still vote. I also have served as an election judge more than once, and volunteered again this year but couldn't get the job due to the large number of volunteers and reduced number of polling places. I always attended caucuses until they did away with them, and have served as a delegate at my CD convention. At any rate, my town is not where the fraud is happening, and neither is Hutchinson, or wherever Rat Patrol lives.
On a separate note; how did you change your user name here? I know there's been discussions about that being a possibility at some point in the future, but haven't seen that's it's actually an option yet. |
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Quoted: It's pretty hard to believe otherwise at this point. I've voted every even numbered year since I turned 18, but it's been a while (since Al Franken got elected in 2008, to be precise) since I've thought that most voting for major elections actually mattered. It's pretty clear that the other side is willing to do things that we just aren't wiling to do to ensure that they win the elections they need to win. Yet I still vote. I also have served as an election judge more than once, and volunteered again this year but couldn't get the job due to the large number of volunteers and reduced number of polling places. I always attended caucuses until they did away with them, and have served as a delegate at my CD convention. At any rate, my town is not where the fraud is happening, and neither is Hutchinson, or wherever Rat Patrol lives. On a separate note; how did you change your user name here? I know there's been discussions about that being a possibility at some point in the future, but haven't seen that's it's actually an option yet. View Quote Well, that's the divergence of the matter; I don't find it hard to believe otherwise. Your town, or Hutchinson, may not be where the fraud is happening, but politics is downstream of culture and "your town" is where the battle is won or lost. I cannot speak of my name change. The things I had to do in the back seat of the staff Yugo are... unconscionable. |
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Quoted: Well, that's the divergence of the matter; I don't find it hard to believe otherwise. Your town, or Hutchinson, may not be where the fraud is happening, but politics is downstream of culture and "your town" is where the battle is won or lost. I cannot speak of my name change. The things I had to do in the back seat of the staff Yugo are... unconscionable. View Quote You can believe whatever, but it doesn't change the facts. I agree that "my town" is where some of the battles are won or lost; my city council, mayor, school board, sherriff, state senators and representatives, etc, are decided at that level. Those are all important elections. It's the big battles that my vote and my town have no impact on. The other team has come up with a good system to get the number of votes they need, regardless of what that number is. Tell me what you are doing in your town to prevent that in the future, and how it actually effects the process. Ok, so you can't talk about how you changed your name, how about why you changed it? Also, how have you managed to make over 104,000 posts on this forum? That doesn't even seem possible, it'd be like 25 posts/day for 12 years. |
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Quoted: Ok, so you can't talk about how you changed your name, how about why you changed it? Also, how have you managed to make over 104,000 posts on this forum? That doesn't even seem possible, it'd be like 25 posts/day for 12 years. View Quote That aint even a lot compared to some folk. There's a 13er with 130k posts. GD threads like 24/365 or the old Night Crew threads definitly help. basically they are chat threads. |
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Quoted: Ok, so you can't talk about how you changed your name, how about why you changed it? Also, how have you managed to make over 104,000 posts on this forum? That doesn't even seem possible, it'd be like 25 posts/day for 12 years. View Quote ETA: Puck's forum stats: "Posts Per Day 23.25" |
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Quoted: You can believe whatever, but it doesn't change the facts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Are there facts you'd like to discuss, or are you just moving the goalposts to discredit my statement? Previously we were discussing what was and was not difficult to believe, which is a different matter entirely from "the facts." Taking a look back through previous posts, there's a whole lot of "I don't think," "I just don't see," "it just feels to me like," "it's pretty hard to believe," and not a whole lot concerned with facts. Which do you want to discuss? I agree that "my town" is where some of the battles are won or lost; my city council, mayor, school board, sherriff, state senators and representatives, etc, are decided at that level. Those are all important elections. It's the big battles that my vote and my town have no impact on. This is contradictory. Your city council, mayor, sheriff, etc., are tomorrow's congressmen, and have a hell of a lot greater impact on the things that have a real effect on your life than almost anyone in Washington. The other team has come up with a good system to get the number of votes they need, regardless of what that number is. Have they? They certainly performed poorly in the last election compared to most expectations, and I'm a bit perplexed as to why they would've allowed Literally Hitler to make it into office in 2016 were that the case. Tell me what you are doing in your town to prevent that in the future, and how it actually effects the process. How it effects which process? Ok, so you can't talk about how you changed your name, how about why you changed it? Also, how have you managed to make over 104,000 posts on this forum? That doesn't even seem possible, it'd be like 25 posts/day for 12 years. |
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Wow, lots of quotes. The 2020 presidential election was stolen, that's a fact. In 2016, the democrats did not take literally Hitler seriously, and they paid big for it. They never believed that he could actually win, and they were stunned when he did. Donald Trump out-worked Hillary Clinton in 2016, while she assumed that she would coast to an easy victory. So did they come back with a hard-working candidate that travelled all over the country shaking hands and changing minds? Haha, no. They propped up a 78-year old white guy who barely left his home state in 18 months on the campaign trail. What they did do was spend a lot of time and money from 2017 to the 2020 election to make sure that wouldn't happen again. The democrat party may have performed poorly in the last election compared to expectations, but don't overlook the fact that they won everything they needed to win, and now control the white house and both chambers of congress. Some people think that Donald Trump gained 11 million votes over his 2016 numbers, yet still managed to lose the election because people didn't like his twitter persona. If you are one of those people, I'm afraid we just aren't going to agree on the subject of the 2020 election.
The local elections may have a more direct effect on my life, but it's not necessarily an important effect. I've lived in the same town for 23 years, and the mayor and council really don't have any meaningful impact on my life. They decide the budget, manage the maintenance of the streets, vote on ordinances, etc. There have been 4 different mayors in that time period, and countless council members. They all have done a reasonably fine job, and there have been no major changes between how they do the business of running our town. The school board affects my property taxes, and the sheriff affects who's signature is on my carry permit, but not a lot else. These folks may well be our future congressman, but our current congress and president are the ones making the laws. The issues that I most care about, the ones that will have the greatest long-term effect happen at the federal level. Our new president and congress have made and will continue to make major changes on issues that affect us very directly; immigration, national security/defense, gun control, taxes, entitlement programs, coronavirus nonsense, mandating a $15/hour minimum wage, etc. These are a lot more important to me than what the town board is up to, and more important (though less more important) than what's happening at our state level. At any rate, you saw the part where I said I vote in all of these elections (I have never missed one) and am politically involved, right? My question on how what you personally (YOU - Puck/SJUhockey) are or are not doing locally in your town effects the process of the national or even state elections, is just that. You've lectured me and the OP about our thoughts on it, so what are you doing, and how does it effect those elections? Do you live in Minneapolis/St. Paul, or in the big red parts of the state like most of the rest of us? Because if you live in the red parts, you are not where the problems are occurring. Working the polls counting votes in the red MN suburbs is an important job, but it doesn't have a great effect on those elections. If people like you and I weren't doing those jobs it could/would certainly be worse, but the issues happen elsewhere. From here on out they happen in a few counties in a few states that have to be won if you want to put your candidate in the white house. That's why those places take 2 weeks to count votes that any other part of the country can somehow mange to get counted in under 24 hours. Not sure why the blue grumpy face after that last part? |
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Quoted: Wow, lots of quotes. View Quote Yes, they make long posts easier to digest and provides greater transparency regarding attempts to evade parts of the dialogue. The 2020 presidential election was stolen, that's a fact. In 2016, the democrats did not take literally Hitler seriously, and they paid big for it. They never believed that he could actually win, and they were stunned when he did. Donald Trump out-worked Hillary Clinton in 2016, while she assumed that she would coast to an easy victory. So did they come back with a hard-working candidate that travelled all over the country shaking hands and changing minds? Haha, no. They propped up a 78-year old white guy who barely left his home state in 18 months on the campaign trail. What they did do was spend a lot of time and money from 2017 to the 2020 election to make sure that wouldn't happen again. The democrat party may have performed poorly in the last election compared to expectations, but don't overlook the fact that they won everything they needed to win, and now control the white house and both chambers of congress. Some people think that Donald Trump gained 11 million votes over his 2016 numbers, yet still managed to lose the election because people didn't like his twitter persona. If you are one of those people, I'm afraid we just aren't going to agree on the subject of the 2020 election. View Quote I don't have a whole lot of interest in discussing fraud and the most recent presidential election, and the tenor of that conversation has a lot to do with why I now spend very little time on this site and almost no time on the site outside of this particular forum. In short, I don't think any of that is persuasive (particularly the argument that the Democrats didn't think Trump could actually win in 2016, but were somehow able to push the panic button in 2020 and make the vote machine go brrrrrrrt, or the idea that control of the Senate hinging on Joe Manchin is "all they needed to win"), nor do I think it's supported by fact. The local elections may have a more direct effect on my life, but it's not necessarily an important effect. I've lived in the same town for 23 years, and the mayor and council really don't have any meaningful impact on my life. They decide the budget, manage the maintenance of the streets, vote on ordinances, etc. There have been 4 different mayors in that time period, and countless council members. They all have done a reasonably fine job, and there have been no major changes between how they do the business of running our town. The school board affects my property taxes, and the sheriff affects who's signature is on my carry permit, but not a lot else. These folks may well be our future congressman, but our current congress and president are the ones making the laws. The issues that I most care about, the ones that will have the greatest long-term effect happen at the federal level. Our new president and congress have made and will continue to make major changes on issues that affect us very directly; immigration, national security/defense, gun control, taxes, entitlement programs, coronavirus nonsense, mandating a $15/hour minimum wage, etc. These are a lot more important to me than what the town board is up to, and more important (though less more important) than what's happening at our state level. View Quote And most of the meaningful implementation is at the local level, and, again, politics is downstream of culture and you're certainly not influencing national culture. My question on how what you personally are or are not doing locally in your town effects the process of the national or even state elections, is just that. View Quote Well, you didn't exactly specify that. "The process," devoid of context, is pretty vague. What am I doing? Being involved with my church and other faith groups. Working with teachers on curriculum. Working polls. Organizing people who are concerned about the same issues which concern me and who are motivated to act. Consulting with politicians and political organizations. Providing services to political and advocacy organizations I support. I can continue the list or provide greater detail, if necessary. People historically not doing those jobs in the blue parts of the state are why they're blue. Not sure why the blue grumpy face after that last part? View Quote Because I think those are some odd questions to ask and not really anyone's business. |
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Well then, it sounds like you and I are doing the same kinds of things. I guess I’m just less optimistic on what is being accomplished by them.
It’s the internet, man. I don’t really think that anything you post or that shows up under your name can be considered “not really anyone’s business”. |
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Quoted: Well then, it sounds like you and I are doing the same kinds of things. I guess I’m just less optimistic on what is being accomplished by them. It’s the internet, man. I don’t really think that anything you post or that shows up under your name can be considered “not really anyone’s business”. View Quote I have no issue with anything I post being attributable to me, but I hardly see how my posting habits or username have any bearing on anything or somehow oblige an explanation. |
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Quoted: You’re not obliged to do anything, I just asked the question. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I have no issue with anything I post being attributable to me, but I hardly see how my posting habits or username have any bearing on anything or somehow oblige an explanation. You’re not obliged to do anything, I just asked the question. I agree, it just seemed to be a matter of unexpected import |
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Perhaps all the cheating in elections is getting to me, but, I think the vote should be a paper ballot secret vote and the Republicans should cast 100 votes each and harvest the ballots before the Democrats have marked their own ballots.
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Quoted: Perhaps all the cheating in elections is getting to me, but, I think the vote should be a paper ballot secret vote and the Republicans should cast 100 votes each and harvest the ballots before the Democrats have marked their own ballots. View Quote So the solution to rampant voter fraud is even more voter fraud? |
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I believe mail-in ballots were the largest source of voter fraud.
The ONLY way to have a relatively accurate and therefore meaningful election is in person voting. Exceptions could be made for absentee ballots, but ON REQUEST. Randomly sending out ballots makes us, and this past election, a banana republic. The D's know this, and will NEVER let it go, though. This is why Biden won, but not so much down the ticket. Those filling in all the ballots floating around were significantly more concerned with the Presidential race and getting as many of those filled in as possible. |
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